Golden State Warriors About to Make a HUGE MISTAKE with Anthony Morrow:: Warriors Fans Have Spoken: Larry Riley MUST MATCH New Jersey Nets Offer
by olympicmike on Jul 10, 2010 3:49 PM PDT
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Feeling indecisive Larry? Pass the mic to Warriors fans.
I, like many other Warriors fans, have had a soft spot in my heart for Anthoy Morrow ever since his coming out party against the Clippers in '08 where he dropped 37 points and pulled 11 boards, despite the fact that no one in the seats at the Staples Center knew who he was. But even as a bit of a Morrow fanboy I was still surprised by the overwhelming support Morrow received when I asked the GSoM community if Larry Riley and the Warriors should match the New Jersey Nets offer sheet of $12 Million over three years. Well, I definitely have something to say about it, but before I make the case for Morrow I think I'll pass the mic to the GSoM community...
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To put things in perspective...
Kyle Korver has apparently agreed to join the Bulls for a 3-year $15 million deal. JJ Redick reportedly got a $20 million offer. Jason Kapono has been making mid-level money for the past three years. Danny Gibson made $4 million last season, and his contract is only escalating. Roger Mason? Made almost $8 million in two years with the Spurs. Matt Carroll? $4-5 million the last three seasons. Even Adam Morrison, in all his suckage, might earn a similar amount to these guys if a team like New York is willing to see if he can contribute as a specialist. Adam. Freaking. Morrison.
Point is, shooters aren’t going to come dirt cheap as everyone would hope. They’re not going to take the minimum when their skills are quite valued all over the league. Keeping Morrow, who is as good a player as some of these guys and a lot better than most, at $4 million per year is not a steep price at all. Considering it’s not even MLE money, matching is a no brainer especially when you’re talking about retaining arguably the best pure shooter in the NBA right now. Yes, his defense needs work. Yes, he needs to work on many aspects of his game. But hey, it’s not like these other shooting specialists are flawless players.
by WYK
If the Lee trade doesn’t allow us to retain Morrow, I’m not sure how i feel about the trade. If we keep Morrow, I’m very happy about the Lee trade. I believe we are going to trade Monta + expirings+ filler for a good 3. If that’s Iggy, Childress, or Ariza, I’m more than thrilled. But if we were to lose Randolph, Turiaf, ‘Buike, Morrow, and possibly Watson due to getting Lee, I’m not feeling this trade so much.
The Warriors finally do some great things and get us a legitimate top 20 player in the league, then we deplete all of our depth. I understand having a great player is better than having all this depth, but we have been very injury -prone and the people we are losing aren’t scrubs. They are good 6-8th men off the bench (I’m referring to Watson, Morrow, and Azubuike), and we need to stockpile talent so we eventually can make more Lee-type deals where we acquire a star for our good young talent. Giving up Morrow would be a huge mistake with our lack of depth at the wings (and size), and Morrow would be our biggest wing left (Bell and Monta are 6’2.5, and Reggie is 6’4). I’m not comfortable with letting him go. He isn’t a one trick pony (he’s a good rebounder, and average facilitator), and the one trick everyone refers to is being the best shooter in the league. Keep him Riley.
What? It’s not a question of whether we can match. We can. If we WON’T match, it’s out of unbelievable cheapness and/or skull-crushing stupidity. $4M is not a lot of scratch for one of the great shooters in NBA history. I don’t care how supposedly "one-dimensional" he is. He puts a huge amount of pressure on opposing defenses, he opens up the floor, he rebounds his position, he takes care of the ball, he’s a great kid with a great attitude and work ethic. He’s the perfect teammate. Curry clearly loves him. Nellie too. Not to mention basically 100% of Warriors nation.
Can someone explain why is this even a question? Beyond Steph Curry, the only area in which this team was superior to most other NBA teams on a most nights was its dead-eye perimeter shooting. With the trade of Kelenna, we’ve lost a key piece of that. Curry’s Curry, but you can’t be team’s prime mover and its lead sniper. Reggie looks good, but the sample size is still small; asking a D-league call up with 24 games of NBA experience to be your only off-ball perimeter threat is an absolutely absurd risk for a team that seems to be trying to make a playoff run right now.
A little perspective about this potential contract that for some reason is being debated. I think we all assumed Morrow would command about $3M a year. That’s about the minimum possible extension for a young proven NBA player who doesn’t suck. We’re now talking about $1M more than that. Kyle Korver (14.2 pts per 36, career .410 3PG) just got 3/$15M. JJ Redick (14.7, .392) got $3/$20M. So tell me how the heck is Morrow — 16.0, .460 and a much better rebounder than either of them — not worth 3/$12M? Heck, why is he even worth that little?
There are plenty of real and potential Warriors moves that are worthy of healthy debate on this site (the Lee trade, e.g.). This is not one of them. There are no grey areas. There is no downside. To refuse to offer Morrow 60% of what JJ Redick just got is sheer madness. If we drop the ball on this, I don’t want to hear one mealy-mouthed rationalization, or "meh," or unkind word about our beloved Ammo / Chocolate Rain / BlackboiPachino. I demand protests in front of the Oracle with pitchforks and torches!
by Sleepy Freud
These are just a few of the many well written, well researched responses to the early reports that the Golden State Warriors would NOT match (?!?!) the three year $12 million offer to Anthony Morrow. Add to that the fact that early returns on the attached poll (1200+ votes) had only 12% of Warriors fans agreeing with the front office's decision to let Morrow walk. Warriors fans have spoken. Even with the Warriors front office making the somewhat surprising move to add long term salary with the David Lee, this is no time to put the checkbook away.
MAKING THE CASE FOR MORROW
Money, how much is too much?
I think that the guys I quoted above make a great case that $4 million a year is not too much to pay for an outside shooter, especially one that does so at such an elite level. It's also important to note that, while much of our situation is still up in the air, this signing would not put us in the luxury tax. We would still be able to either use the MLE without paying the tax. Now, if we did that we might have to let Watson walk. The FO would have to choose between keeping Watson and possibly moving Ellis or some of our expiring contracts to fill the hole at small forward, or let Watson walk and pick up a SF with the MLE. Either choice would leave holes in the roster, but we'd still have options moving forward.
Morrow by the numbers.
Everyone knows Morrow can shoot, but it doesn't hurt to take another look at his gaudy shooting numbers. During his time in the NBA Morrow has shot 46% from beyond the arc, and is sporting an incredible .593 TS%. He is a very efficient scorer. He doesn't score at an incredibly high volume, but at 16 points per 36 minutes he is a more than reliable offensive option. He may not be able to reliably create his own shot, but if you put him on the court he will score points at a pretty good rate with elite efficiency.
One of the big criticisms of Morrow is that he can only do one thing on the court. This is not actually the case. He is a scrappy rebounder as well. With a rebound rate of 4.7 per 36 minutes he has been one of our best (if not the best) rebounding guard the Warrios have had over the last two seasons. It's also important to note that while ball handling is a weakness of his he has kept his turnovers down to 1.4 per36 keeping that weakness from hurting the team.
Morrow on the court. Is his presence really necessary?
There are still a lot of questions regarding who will actually take the court for the Warriors come November, but I think we can take a look at a few of our key pieces, their strengths, and try to see how Morrow might fit in. So for now the key pieces of this team seem to be Stephan Curry, David Lee, Monta Ellis, and Andris Biedrins. Basically we have what looks to be two ball dominant guards (one more of a slasher, the other more of a creator), and two of the better pick and roll big men in the league. Seems to me that an elite outside shooter would be pretty valuable in creating the space needed to help make the other players on the court successful.
If Monta is still here he will need guys on the perimeter to dish it to as the defense collapses in the paint. Having Morrow, Curry, and possibly Lee (if the rumors of him adding a 3pt shot are true) parked on the perimeter would certainly give him plenty of good options. Now that's no guarantee that he will actually pass the ball, but that's another topic entirely.
Whoever is coaching the team next year, I'd expect to see Curry running the pick and roll with both Lee and Biedrins. One thing that is critical to running the pick and roll successfully is having shooters in the corner to keep the defense honest. With a willing passer like Curry the defense would have a lot to worry about on a Curry, Lee P&R. Depending on how the defense reacts you could have Curry getting a wide open outside (or mid-range) shot, Curry driving and finishing himself, Curry finding Lee rolling to the basket, Curry finding Lee for an open jumper (on a pick and pop variation), Curry finding Morrow for the open three in the corner (if his man cheats off of him), or even Curry finding Andris at the rim (if his man is ball watching on a pick and pop it would be easy for Andris to slip in from the weak side ready to receive the ball at the rim, something Andris has been very good at through his career). This should be a bread and butter play for the Warriors next year, and you can see how easily it could turn from bread and butter to dry white toast if you remove the element of an outside shooter to keep the defense honest and ensure that everyone has the space they need to operate.
So in the words of Teddy KGB...
Pay him... pay that man his money.
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This was written before the Dorell Wright signing.
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LOL, i was wondering, like wait, the dubs just signed someone
obviously if there was no other signing it would’ve been crazy not to have signed morrow
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I still think we should resign him...
but the fallout is different.
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TOTALLY disagree
Sorry, I totally disagree with this article completely. We have a hole at the 3 spot. Dorrel Wright has 4 inches on Morrow (6’9 as compared to 6’5) and has better per 36 numbers (his assists and rebounds are MUCH higher) while still shooting 39% from three. Saving 2 million dollars on a BETTER option sounds great to me.
I love Morrow just as much as you guys do, but we are getting the better player here.
by gcpg on Jul 10, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
good points.
Morrow is a pure sharpshooter.
With Wright on the squad, I think it balances things out a lot; given we lose some of our outside threats
We have a hole a the two spot to
What happens if Monta Ellis blows out his knee in the first game of the season? Williams becomes the starter and then there’s Charlie Bell. Then no one else!
I think you wold just want a backup behind each position. So having Williams and Bell (given they take spots on SF sometimes) it would be hard to find time at SG for Morrow. However, I prefer Morrow over those guys, and Morrow can sometimes step in for the SF to be a small outside threat.
Bell wouldn’t take minutes away from Morrow- Morrow would take minutes from Bell.
The real issue is why the SF hole wasn’t filled through the draft so the Morrow/Wrght decision would have never happened in the first place
Charlie Bell probably can’t play SF, he’s a PG/SG.
by the evil monkey on Jul 10, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you somewhat.
I agree with you that Dorrell Wright seems like a better all-around player than Morrow. The per 40 minutes numbers seem to be in favor of Wright, not to mention that Wright also shot very well on 3’s, too. It’s a bit concerning for me, though, that Wright only averaged about 47 games played/season the last four seasons.
by TheDaydreamer on Jul 11, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
If Wright can stay healthy, though, this should make us better on D.
I hope he can stay healthy during the duration of the contract. I really loved Morrow, his outstanding shooting, and his willingness to be part of the team (as opposed to, say, demanding more shots). It would have been painful, though, to try and watch him cover Lebron when the Heat come to town.
by TheDaydreamer on Jul 11, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Touche'
I’m sure there wouldn’t be a huge drop off we lost Morrow, maybe it’d even be an improvement to have Dorrel Wright. However, nothing can blow the roof off of the arena than a Morrow 3 pointer. It’s as exciting as a posterizing dunk. I’m not too familiar with D Wright but I’m pretty sure he can’t light up Oracle like Ammo can.
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I still want Morrow in our squad......
If we lose him this really is going to pee me off! Having lost our other huge hype man, I think AM was second only to Turiaf in getting pumped up for our team…. He has one of the most natural shots ever and without doubt will develop into a fantastic player that any team would like to have when they need a shooter at a key moment!
I WANT MORROW!
It is a sad state of mankind, that in the modern age, we have no one with the common sense to think.... 'Lets install some shut off valves in this oil pipeline!'
Even with Dorell Wright, bring back Ammo
Wright is the SF we’re sorely missing, but Morrow is a SG. The only SG on the team is really Reggie Williams (Monta may play like a SG but he doesn’t have the size). Bell, Monta, Curry and Watson (if he’s resigned) are all 6’3 or so. We still need him back and with his touch he’s worth the $4 Mill.
The starting lineup will be
Curry-PG
Ellis-SG
Wright-SF
Lee-PF
Biedrins-C
Other then Williams and Bell where’s the other small forward? Nowhere to be found. The Warriors need to have Morrow around.
Radmonovic
yuk
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on Jul 10, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
rather than just saying "yuk"
who would make it better for starting? what are our other options from here?
The only other option is to go big
PG- Curry
SG- Ellis
SF-D. Wright
PF. B. Wright
C- Lee
and take out our tallest player?
leave Beans?
lol i take it back...
didn’t see what you were “yuking” about….. Radman
I'm hoping Riley
Trades him to Cleveland for Powe!
I think Wright lessens the blow
But please bring back Morrow!!!
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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I doubt we are getting anywhere close the championship anytime soon
by Montaytotherim on Jul 10, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither are the Knicks
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 10, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec
on the Rounders reference. Also, everything else.
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by disguy on Jul 10, 2010 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Signing Dorell Wright
Was our choice of how we used a portion of the MLE. It does not have a direct effect on our ability to re-sign Morrow.
This is not a Dorell Wright vs Morrow situation.
I touched on that here
We would still be able to use the MLE without paying the tax. Now, if we did that we might have to let Watson walk. The FO would have to choose between keeping Watson and possibly moving Ellis or some of our expiring contracts to fill the hole at small forward, or let Watson walk and pick up a SF with the MLE. Either choice would leave holes in the roster, but we’d still have options moving forward.
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Agh
I don’t want to see Morrow or Watson walk. Who is our backup point? Charlie freaking Bell?
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Woodside could be interesting
Maybe we can trade Bell and Radman and get them out of the way too.
ya a good veteran back up point guard.
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 10, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sign him
Let CJ walk. We have like 3 guys on the summer league roster who seem like they can be solid backups to Curry. We still haven’t seen Wise, or CJ’s brother. I think it goes Wise, and Woodside and Chase are even. Wise hasn’t played yet, but I assume he’s better than both guys.
What do you mean?
Judging off one summer league game? You’re ready to let CJ walk? That’s ridiculous.
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Not really
If Curry goes down, Watson has the most experience.
i'd rather have cj start over monta being a 1
cj’s legit
Goal: 8 seed!
cj's not a legit one
hes just another shooter Nellie tried to pass on as a point guard.
by Richboievans on Jul 10, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think CJ is going anywhere
Wouldn’t hurt to have a third point guard either.
Agreed, Watson vs. Morrow not Wright vs. Morrow
I agree, I think Wright and Morrow are separate situations. I do however think it may be a Watson vs. Morrow situation as you mentioned. If this is the case, Morrow (IMO) is harder to replace than Watson.
Curry is our best three point shooter
He can do a set shot and off the dribble, Morrow is mostly set shot.
I love Morrow but if Wright is a better all around player (which is what we need at the 3 spot) then I’m ok with losing him.
Obviously, he is a great guy, a fan fave, a cool team mate, an excellent cheerleader, a cinderella story yadda, yadda, yadda – none of this wins games.
If we can keep Morrow, that is great – if not, the team will still be good.
Do you really want the primary ball handler to be our #1 3pt option?
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by Elevation Sensation on Jul 10, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you really want the primary ball handler to be our #1 3pt option?
That’s not the way it works, we need More-O in the corner or the perimeter. Binky can’t be in two places at once.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
omg everyone take a step back
What was our biggest need after the Lee sign and trade? What was everyone clamoring about!?!?!?!
a SMALL FORWARD, who can defend, and do everything we need him to do.
We got him…yes, we lose Morrow, but we gained something we were desperate for.
Wright helps us win games and he plays defense. Although, it would have been nice to keep Morrow, if we get Wright instead, I see this as a plus.
by jabesh on Jul 10, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Exactly
This is the business of WINNING!!! If it means we have to give up a loved yet limited role player, than so be it. The FO should not do anything rash with Vlad/Bell/Gad’s contracts just to keep Morrow. He’s not worth it. These expiring are a very valuable chip for either trades, or 2011 free agency.
It was fun watching you Morrow light up the 3’s like none other in the league, but its time you be movin on.
Dare I say it?
Well done Riley. Well done
Other Free Agents
Josh Childress could be had still, another small forward and I heard there was a rumor for him by the Warriors, but that was a while ago.
Could the Warriors bring back Josh Powell?
Marcus Williams is available again. (JK)
Udonis Haslem could be interesting if they could somehow get rid of Radman.
Luke Ridnour could be signed for cheap as a backup point guard
Matt Barnes is still out there but probably will cost too much
Shaun Livingston as a backup point guard as well
A revised look at the numbers...
It looks like if Watson is willing to come back for around $3mil or so, we should be able to sign Morrow, Wright, and Watson without hitting the luxury tax.
I’m not sure if management is willing to get that close to the threshold, but there is still a chance we keep all three.
PG: Curry, Watson
SG: Ellis, Morrow
SF: D. Wright, Williams
PF: Lee, B. Wright
C: Biedrins, Udoh
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by olympicmike on Jul 10, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Please please please
Let this be true :D
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on Jul 10, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens if Udoh has a serious wrist injury?
Who do the Warriors have to be his backup? Is a medical exception in order again?
We have at the 4 and 5
Lee-Wright
Beans-Gadz
so not too worried about udoh missing that much, but if one of those guys gets hurt………fml
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on Jul 10, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
There is still Gadzuric. I didn’t list him, Vlad, or Bell.
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gadzuric had that one good season
can’t remember when, but it was stopped abruptly by injury. He could be an energy guy off the bench, legit 7 footer too
Goal: 8 seed!
Great if we can get all 3 but,
if its between Watson and Morrow, we should keep Morrow. Warriors still have a chance to trade a contract or two to get a back-up PG of CJ’s caliber, but someone with Morrow’s shooting ability is a bit tougher to find.
Morrow>>>>>>>>>>>>Wright
Really, what has Wright EVER done in the NBA?
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
Well...
He quietly had a pretty good year last year. He didn’t get a ton of minutes (20mpg) but he scored efficiently (.567 TS% thanks in large part to improved outside shooting), played good defense, and didn’t make too many mistakes (low turnovers and fouls).
I’m happy with the signing, but I really do hope we can hold on to Morrow too.
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Been looking at a few of his highlight videos and I haven’t seen an outside shot at all. Lots of shots of him crashing the offensive boards and getting put backs/dunks which is great for one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.
and 12/55 (about 22%) in his other 139 games
I hope it was the light switch turning on, because both the frequency and the success of the threes were completely new developments last year.
Old videos?
His outside shot is a recent addition. Last year he put up 3.8 3PA per 36 minutes played and shot 38.9 percent from outside the arc.
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I'm 50/50 on the signing
But if it prevents us from keeping Ammo which it likely will I will not be a fan of the deal. I bet we could have waited a week or 2 and still could have gotten him. And if we lose CJ in combination of this and Lee’s contract we’d be losing AR,Buike,Ronny,Morrow and CJ for Lee and DW. Not sure those 2 are worth all that
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
why would we lose both CJ and AMMO?
I think it’s one or the other.
Not really
If we can’t keep Ammo due to money reasons (and it’s a really cheap contract) we probably couldn’t afford CJ
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
If we can’t keep Ammo due to money reasons (and it’s a really cheap contract) we probably couldn’t afford CJ
we can keep More-O if we match the offer.
CJ’s contributions would be easier to replace than Anthony’s
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
well this is a homer site
no reason not to reek of it
Goal: 8 seed!
Wright does a number of things well
He’s a good defender, solid shooter, good passser, solid rebounder, and play well without the ball. He didn’t get much pt because he was on a playoff team and a team that does not put a whole lot into developing players.
Winning teams have great off ball shooters
DW is a poor mans Tmac, not saying he is terrible but not as good as some think. He will give us a good 20-30 a night but we don’t need more role players
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
DW is a poor mans Tmac
That makes me wonder how much was the real TMac asking? Maybe he woulda played with Binky and DLee for cheap to prove he’s still got something?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Run Morrow Run
Please, please, please let Anthony Morrow run as far away from Don Nelson and the Warriors as possible. New Jersey would be the best place for his career. There he can turn into an all-star in the mold of Reggie Miller. In Golden State he would be on Don Nelson’s Yo-Yo. 40 minutes one night, 15 the next. 30 points one night, 4 the next. It is mayhem in Golden State. I know Anthony will go to sleep every night over the next week, praying Larry Riley is binge drinking with Donnie Nelson and will forget to match the offer. Besides, I think his fantasy league stats will increase in New Jersey where he could legitimately become the man.
When besides Jason Kid did anybody sign with the nets and blow up well ther was the one guy that shot a bunch of people…. just saying…. Morrow has some real limitations but truly I love the guy I don’t want hime to go but if we can somehow start winning 40 game + a season that’s whats important!
I wish Morrow the best of Luck
if the NJ Nets think he is worth that much then let them sign him. i’d rather see Morrow play consistent minutes in NJ (which hopefully they would) rather than match the offer and have him sit on our bench or play 40 minutes depending on Don Nelson.
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
DO NOT LOSE MORROW!
I do not understand why the Warriors would even consider signing Dorell Wright over Anthony Morrow. It looks like Morrow and Wright would cost the same price. Morrow is one of the top 3 pure shooters in the NBA and that is definitely a huge asset to a team. Nothing against Dorrell Wright, but Dorrell Wrights come a dime a dozen in the NBA.
Warriors! Come to your senses and do what it takes to keep Morrow on the team! Once Nelly leaves, Morrow will finally be able to reach his potential.
Keep Morrow
Only $4 mil a year? That’s a value for a guy like Morrow. I see guys like Travis Outlaw, who aren’t that much better than Morrow, getting new contracts with $7-8 mil a year. Riley please keep Morrow. He’ll spread the floor and open the paint for David Lee and our less offensively talented guys like Biedrins.
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just curious if I’m the only one: why do we have so many duplicate posts?
don’t get me wrong, the energy and fanatical following this site has – especially relative to other SBN sites and relative to our lack of success – is phenomenal
but we have numerous posts about the same topic regularly, both on the “main page” and the fanposts and that just fractures the continuity of discussions
or was this posted to push down other posts on the main page?
I'm not sure what you mean...
The other post was a news post with a poll attached, to get the info out there and see how the community would respond. This is a much more extensive opinion piece. Both dealt with the same topic but they are hardly “duplicate” posts.
I must admit, after spending much of my morning putting this together I’m bummed to see someone as bright as you ask if its only purpose is to “push down” other posts… ouch. Did you read it? I hope it wasn’t really that bad.
Another thing to consider is that a very small portion (seriously, you’d be shocked) of the readers of these articles are the hardcore (no pun intended) GSoMers that take the time to comment. The hardcore community is a super important part of this site, but they aren’t the only audience. It can definitely break up the flow of discussion, but unfortunately that’s kinda the nature of a site like this that has so many writers contributing to the main page, and such a big community contributing in the fanpost section.
As far as duplicate fanposts and fanshots, we are doing the best we can to keep those sections clean (you’d be surprised to see how many have been hidden over the last few days) but if someone posts a well written unique take on a topic it will stay up even if there are other posts on the same topic. If it’s too short we will pull it down and recommend that they include it in another thread though.
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thanks for the explanation, and I recognize managing this site (particularly as a team of mods coming and going) can be like herding cats! as for pushing down a post, I apologize for giving offense, and thought maybe it was a passive way to tamp down the drama in the fanpost section
I do look forward to your posts exactly because they are quality. Please don’t change a thing.
Thanks man.
I see what you mean now about pushing the other post down. I’m trying to stay out of that one. ;-)
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Eh here's how I see it so far
Curry / CJ
Monta / Reggie
D Wright / Morrow
David Lee / B Wright
Biedrins / Udoh
I’m not really too fond of Bell, rest of the people are third tier players. So that way, Morrow and Wright can stay. I don’t really see the problem (with the SF position). Lol there is a problem with the backup C, maybe Riley should focus on that instead of pondering over keeping Morrow.
keep them both + D wright
If the current roster stays healthy, I think it looks like this keeping CJ and Ammo. CJ is gonna be in some demand, I think – he’s not going to be as cheap as you might think.
PG: Curry, Watson
SG: Ellis, Morrow
SF: D. Wright, Williams
PF: Lee, Udoh
C: Biedrins, Gadzuric
B Wright is buried on the bench, yeah well…… And what becomes clear is that our remaining albatross contract is Radman.
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 10, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions
And what becomes clear is that our remaining albatross contract is Radman.
You are aware it’s an expiring contract right? Hardly an albatross. You can use it in a trade or just let it expire. No real problem there.
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heh
Hardly. Yes, it’s an “asset”. It’s also not liquid, and that’s what the W’s need at the moment. The game of “expiring caps” is great fun, but it’s only a partial solution – more or less like playing with derivatives.
Radman is an albatross because he represents about 5 mil that cannot be applied until he is gone – or until someone else needs that for the following year. I’d much rather see that money going to someone actually useful this coming season. In order for that to happen, you’d have to package him with someone actually desirable.
Of course, I could be wrong, but it might take some net present value calculations to convince me :)
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 10, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Radman is an albatross because he represents about 5 mil that cannot be applied until he is gone
and also just because he’s not really “rad”
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah and...
it’s future value – If it gets used. I wasn’t considering trade incentive, because other than Bell I’m starting to like the roster
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 10, 2010 6:24 PM PDT reply actions
I mean
it’s currently a barrier to matching for Ammo
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 10, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If Utah’s undrafted rookie Wesley Matthews gets a 5 year $33 million contract, shouldn’t we match our undrafted rookie Anthony Morrow’s contract for 3 year $12 million?
I’ll admit I only skimmed most of these posts, but am I the only one who’s disgusted with the Dorell Wright signing? I know most of you have probably seen him play, so you must know how utterly terrible he is. There’s a reason he barely got playing time with the freaking Heat, who, outside of Wade, were absolute trash. Maybe he’ll be better in a more up-tempo system (since he is 100% athlete and 0% basketball player), but if we end up letting Morrow go (I realize the Wright signing does not mean we can’t sign Morrow too) who’s going to spread the floor and shoot threes? For all his faults (and there are MANY), Morrow has one elite skill – Wright has none as far as I can tell. It’s not like he didn’t get enough second chances with the Heat.
I'm not mad as much as I'm disappointed that we think he will solve our issues at the 3
DW is not elite at anything, he’s just long and athletic and plays good defense. But not much outside of that and is inconsistent. I’d rather have Ammo than DW
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
So basically
Your saying you want offense, not defense. aka the Warriors status quo
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on Jul 10, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Not forgetting the fact that Morrow is an SG, not an SF
and yes, I want both of them, if possible.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 10, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Granted Morrow is pretty bad defensively, but I don’t think Wright is a particularly good defender. He’s alright one-on-one but is really not a good team defender. I think our interior defense is what really needs work. Lee is not a good defender, and Biedrins is apparently incapable of jumping. Gadzuric will at least give us some size and can take fouls, and who knows what the hell we’ll get from Brandan Wright and Udoh.
hmm, usually
its much more difficult to defend one-on-one than relying on your teammates to assist you. besides spacing and angles that run the offensive player right into a shot blocker, a good one-on-one defender is a must have at the 3 spot.
We are being taken advantage of. This is crazy.
This makes me bummed on the Lee trade after having JUST come to good terms with it. What’s happening here is that another rebuilding team’s FO is trying to take advantage of our team’s pending sale, and the fact that our brass is not suppose to be making too many moves after acquiring a new large contract for Lee. They pick out a valuable player with an expiring contract and offer just enough to make it financially uncomfortable for our FO to make a move in transition, but not so much that it isn’t a discount to them. We’re being taken advantage of, and this is not a good time to sit on our hands. MATCH THE FU**ING CONTRACT, LARRY! HE’S WORTH EVERY CENT.
Cut.
They pick out a valuable player with an expiring contract and offer just enough to make it financially uncomfortable for our FO to make a move in transition, but not so much that it isn’t a discount to them. We’re being taken
No, actually they are being taken. They’ve got More-O to sign an offer that we’ll be glad to match and kept him from getting more money somewhere else. Now all we gotta do is match. Simplicity
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Good with these moves
Randolph and Morrow are both players that were exciting at first, but then became much more frustrating than exciting. Enough folks are high on Lee and D. Wright (for the roles they will play) that I look forward to seeing if they can fit needs and frustrate me a helluva lot less. I know that Randolph could turn out to be the second coming, but count me among those without the patience to find out. I’m fine with admitting that lack of patience. And re: Morrow, let me know when he can consistently make shots with a hand in his face, or consistently do anything in addition to hitting wide open threes. If losing him means we can keep Watson at backup PG, it is worth it. Might seem like I’m hating on them. I’m not. I wish them well…in front of fans who can start the clock at zero wait time for them to reach their potential.
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hitting wide open threes is a very, very valuable skill. Even more so when it’s the fourth or fifth offensive option. If the choice is now is one between CJ and Ammo, it is a no brainer. You match Morrow and then pick up the best point guard in the dleague. Am I the only one who feels that the Weight signing should actually make it MORE likely to resign Ammo? Given that it probably means Monta is staying put for the time being, and we can match the offer sheet and remain under the tax, what possible reason could there be to let him walk?
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by Supafishal on Jul 10, 2010 8:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Being bale to play defiense is a ver, very valuable skill. Plus he;s 6'9" and hits 3's at 40%
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 10, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wright’s career 3 pt percentage is 34%. He barely shot 39% last year and I would guess about 99.999% of those were wide open corner threes. Morrow shoots 47% for his career with WAY more attempts and can shoot from anywhere on the floor. And I’m not sure where this notion that Wright is a lockdown defender comes from. He is slightly above average in that department, but really nothing special. I think 6’9" is a little generous though (I realize that’s what he’s listed as). Maybe in heels.
Hitting wide open threes
is a very valuable skill. We have and will continue to have others who do that. Maybe not as well as Morrow. But with pretty much only that skill, his liabilites really hurt.
Replace Watson with the best PG in the dleague? Maybe…but someone to replace one of the best backup PGs in the NBA might not be as easy to find as some of the others we’ve plucked from the dleague (including CJ himself).
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Also,
hitting wide open threes goes from valuable to “very, very valuable” if one can do so consistently at the end of close games. I’ve yet to see evidence that Morrow will do that (though I’ll be happy if he does).
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the thing. With Buike gone, if Morrow leaves there’s really no one left to spread the floor and shoot threes other than Curry. I’m still not sold on Williams as a perimeter shooter – I’ll have to see him play a full season. I’m not sure how you think they’re going to conjure a consistent 45% three point shooter out of thin air. It’s not coming from Monta, CJ, Vlad, or anyone else on the roster currently.
You may be right; 45% may not be replaceable, though if we’re talking about wide open shots, I suspect we’ll find guys who can still get a decent enough number. I’m still not convinced Morrow will be reliable to do what he does best in pressure situations. Hey, they may yet keep him. If so, I’ll root hard for him as I’ve always done. But I’m ready for a change.
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you’re underestimating just how difficult it is to shoot 40%, let alone 45% from 3. And this is a guy who could possibly shoot 50% in a season. I don’t really get the pressure argument either because of how many clutch fts he’s hit the last couple years. That alone suggests to me that he handles pressure pretty well.
This is what I am hoping for
If we can trade Ellis Brandon Wright and Radmonvic for Caron Butler and Eric Dampier, then we cut Dampier (knowing he goes back to the Mavs) and save the $13 mill to sign Watson, Morrow plus add in a guys like Ian Mahinmi (for cheap) or even bring up Tolliver for our PF position to replace Brandon Wright.
I really like Mahinmi talent level and would like us to add him. This save us at least $8 mill which would be enough to resign Morrow and Watson.
Waaaarriors
This amounts to
Monta for Butler and cap space. Would Dallas want this? Would the Warriors? Would Warrior fans? What do the rest of you think?
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Appreciate the creativity, but
ESPN trade machine has this trade making the Mavericks worse. The Mavs are looking to get better by trading Dampier to a team that is likely to lose a good-to-great player anyway, thereby giving that team cap space and some talent instead of nothing (or next to nothing). Whether Butler, or say Beaubois, would be included would depend on the level of talent they’d be getting back. But the whole idea for Dallas is to get the better of a trade by dealing with a team likely to lose the good-to-great player.
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, somewhat interestingly...
if it was Monta for Butler straight up, with the Warriors off the hook for the salary after one season (while the Mavs take on a lot more future salary), trade machine has GSW slightly better next season and the Mavericks no better or worse. Doubt Dallas would want that either.
by geraldmcgrew on Jul 10, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Dorell Wright?
If we are going to sign Dorell Wright to a 3 year 11mil offer, why the hell shouldnt we spend the money on morrow who would make 3 year 12mil? Morrow is a huge asset to the team to have a 3pt threat! Don’t downgrade to Dorell Wright…
Good move
i cant believe theres complaints about signing wright , as said before he can play D…i dont know about you guys but D is a more than welcome letter in warriors land combined with his good spot up shooting which is crucial in a system like nellies plus hes young with big game experience ….i say thanks riley you almost made me forget you piss me off
KeWzEe
resign morrow let cj walk
sign jeremy lin, hes looking very solid in summer league. he makes good decisions, has good size can be a combo guard, and of course he would be a fan favorite making it easier to let cj go
I love morrow as much as the next guy
Sure it would be nice to have a 3pt specialist on the team but that’s a luxury the warriors can’t afford to have yet. Warriors need player who can perform multiple things well not just one thing and one thing only. Beside being real good at making 3pt what else does morrow do well. Instead of going after role player, the Warriors should try to trade Ellis for Ariza to help out Curry on D.
But they can afford him, thats what a lot of us are upset about. Matching the offer would still leave us a little over a mil under the Luxury tax, and in terms of bang for your buck I doubt we could do better than Morrow given the situation.
I didn’t mean money wise, sure we can afford him but would be better off getting some one who can do more than just shoot 3pt to help the team.
by sfniners4life on Jul 11, 2010 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Morrow cannot penetrate
DWright can. Morrow cannot catch. DWright can. Morrow can’t defend. DWright can defend the perimeter as well as the paint. Love Ammo. But, DWright is a naturally talented bball player while Ammo is really just a shooter that rebounds well. DWright will receive crisp passes in the paint and either finish, find DLee or give and go with Curry when his defenders leave their feet.
CJ is the keeper for his mid-range game, ability to create a shot in the 4th quarter and draining the corner 3. Reggie fills Ammo’s role as a deep threat. Monta has improved his 3 pt range greatly. Riley has assembled veterans that are eager to prove their worth.
Are we talking about the same Dorell Wright? This will be his 7th year and he hasn’t shown the ability to do any of the things you just wrote, except defend (but even there it’s not like he’s in the same class as someone like Ariza). It’s not like they didn’t give him enough chances in Miami or he was stuck playing behind some really good players. He just sucks, plain and simple. At least Morrow is relatively new to the league and still has time to grow. I would be very surprised if Reggie shot anywhere near 40% from 3 over the course of a full season. Monta will be lucky to shoot 35% from 3. They will miss that consistent perimeter shooting if they let Morrow go, especially since Azubuike’s now gone.
The Curse
The Warriors are jinxed when it comes to sign and trade deals. Over the years, almost every player that the Warriors have let go, has come back to haunt them and done very well in the NBA. Riley and the staff must think they know something, but whatever it is, it hasn’t worked in the past. They seem to enjoy developing players and letting them go right when they begin to grasp the system, jell and play as a team. Yes, there are pieces missing, but unless you are doing a total rebuild, when you bring in a piece, you must make sure that piece works with what you already have. For the last few seasons, due to injuries to the bigs, the Warriors were forced to learn how to play “small ball” and became pretty good at it. Even though they were under sized, many good teams were intimidated by their team transition play and shooting. At times, they even showed signs of brilliance on team defense. So, for the upcoming season, with bigs back in action, the Warriors can expand their options providing the players coming in can adapt to the playing styles already in the system along with other styles developed for the new players.
I know some trades have to be made and I don’t want Anthony Morrow to go, but the Nets are putting together a pretty solid squad and Morrow will be a key piece there just as he would be with the Warriors. Plus, the Nets have already demonstrated that they value Morrow more than the Warriors.
David Lee for three good Warrior players and a bunch of money is backing yourself into a corner. Both the Warriors and Knicks obviously feel that they got the better deal or they wouldn’t have made the trade. The team that makes the playoffs and wins the championship will be viewed as having made the better deal. However, the team that does not make the playoffs and for some unforeseen reason the player received in trade is unable to play, then the team with the most back-up and the money to go out and get another player will have made the better trade deal.
No updates
Morrow won’t sign with the Nets until Monday. That’s when the 7 day period begins for the Warriors to match.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 11, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Top 8
Right now it looks like
Curry
Ellis
DWright
Lee
Biedrins
Williams
Bell
BWright
is the top 8 not leaving a lot of time for Morrow especially if the Warriors are going to sign another SF.
Anybody notice......that out of 18 players only 6 remain?
Larry Riley has quietly gutted this team…..we had leverage in the lee trade and we give up 2 good players and one possible great player in Randolph and a second rd. pick for a player they didn’t even want!
We could have signed Lee last year for a lot less. We will resign Morrow because with lee;s low post game it will open up the outside shot. If you listen to the lee interview he talks about how it would open up shots for Morrow and Ellis. I think he was promised that Ellis and Morrow would be on this team.
Everybody is forgetting about Brandon Wright……he could play the SF spot on certain nights. he could be the key to this season or could play PF when Lee slides to center you all have to realize that with our big’s healthy our guard play will improve…there are only a few teams with big guards so i wouldn’t worry about Monte on defense remember this…… they have to guard both Ellis and Curry on the other end.
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