Dreaming of Carmelo
With the LeBron James show winding down last week, I watched as New York Knick fans chanted Carmelo's name in the background. It provoked a little chuckle, yet nonetheless caused me to wonder whom among the hopeful teams would Anthony find a desirable suitor. Many believe that Carmelo will re-sign with the Nuggets, but as the ailing Coach Karl nears closer to retirement, and leaders such as Billups fight against father time, Denver looks to be no better off than it was 2 years ago, when a championship ring was a realistic goal.
Perhaps Anthony would take a similar route to James, leading on his basketball family of faithfuls throughout the season only to leave them completely empty handed at the moment of truth. Or he will have the character to reveal his intentions to the Denver franchise, and have them open shop this upcoming season during the all-star break. If this would be the case, there are many things to be said about the potential bidders and the state of their respected franchises. Consider the Warriors and their probable situation. Carmelo is the protagonist of this tale and the dictator of his future. Why would he consider the Warriors?
1. Stephen Curry - He will likely continue on his journey towards stardom and not only make his first all-star team, but with the help of finishers like David Lee and teammates like Reggie Williams allowing his dominance of the ball, make a name for himself as one of the top 3 point guards in the league. In other words, think of the impact Wade had on attracting the big names to his home team. Just consider the Warriors the host of a guy like Chris Paul now, because Curry will play on to gain a comparable reputation on the court.
2. New Ownership - Larry Ellison closes in on the franchise and restructures the organization from the ground up, while Stephen Curry makes his mark as a star in the league. How refreshing. The sports world loves a story like this, and if it happens, it will happen big. I'm sure some of the bandwagon fans will come out of the woodwork and add fuel to the fire at Oracle Arena. The losing spectacular crowd will now be the winning spectacular crowd, and rumors of that roaring blaze will bear embers of fruition beginning 10:30 et in the city of Oakland. What was an endearing, admirable crowd gaining sympathy from around the league, is now a legitimate and powerful fan base with reasonable aspirations. If the legend of Jerry West graces this city with his immortal presence, our team will become a bane overnight, similar to the reputation Oklahoma City is gaining now.
3. Supporting cast - I loved David Lee before he was a Warrior. I was the jealous loser in high school who hated everyone and wore garbage bags and mascara to school. I wanted that girlfriend, I wanted that touchdown, I wanted that substitute spanish teacher... and now, she belongs to me. David Lee is the kind of player you need to win. He is a consistent, non-stop ball of insurmountable energy, similar to an Iverson on a level of intensity. He is the guy we hoped Biedrins would be(and may be), the kind of player who comes in and just floors you with his desire, thus producing numbers that fall on the board every night with strength. He and Curry will be the Stockton-Malone of this era.
Reggie Williams is one of most talented guards the Warriors have had the pleasure of meeting. He is a heavenly land mine that we have stepped on and must now pay consequence to the good fortune he brings. His commitment, his innate feel for the game, his accuracy, his unselfishness, his demeanor, his killer instinct, his restraint, and his youth are all reasons to be excited about this fortuitous acquisition to the club. He is the perfect teammate for Curry, and will be for years, rather than Ellis. Williams lets Stephen Curry dominate the ball and make the decisions, which is what we want. He knows that he is a shooting guard, instead of a "ball player". Reggie understands when it is proper to pass and when it is necessary to put the defense to the test. Monta Ellis does not understand this, which leads me to the proposed TRADE that should be offered to Denver before the deadline.
Warriors trade:
Monta Ellis
Vladamir Radmonavic
1st round pick
Nuggets trade:
What must occur for this to be a possibility:
Firstly, Brandan Wright must prove that the trade for Jason Richardson is justifiable and that he is not a bust. He needs to revert to form at the time of last year's training camp, and pick up from the progress he had gained leading up to that point. He must show that at 23 years old, he is a promising power forward who can start on most teams.
Secondly, Monta Ellis needs to understand that Stephen Curry is greatness. He needs to play off Curry, rather than having Curry play off of him. If he does this, while knocking down his jumper with more consistency, not only could he make the all-star team, but could end up being a valuable center piece, who could justify the departure of a star like Carmelo Anthony.
Lastly, Denver would receive a big expiring contract that frees up close 7 mil, and a top 20 pick. To those who say the pick is giving up too much, one would only need to look at the fortune we have encountered in the D-League and summer league camp, and note whether those names should have been taken in the 1st round of such a draft. Also, given the very young core of the team that is already assembled, veteran teammates are in higher demand than more young hopefuls.
Anyways, just thought I'd have fun with the idea of Anthony becoming a Warrior this season, and would like some feedback with your insights. Thanks.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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You are a heck of a saleman lilboots.
But I gotta ponder this a bit more before signing on the dotted line…..
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 13, 2010 6:09 PM PDT reply actions
This is a no-brainer for Denver. Monta Ellis is the 2nd best player in the NBA.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami
by Doctor Kajita on Jul 13, 2010 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Haha. Rec.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 13, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, you’re preaching to the choir here and this is not a realistic trade possibility. This would be a move of desperation from Denver. They hold the cards (Melo), not the Warriors, regardless of the owner.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami
I respect that.
On the other hand, you’re only as good as your last hand. Let’s see if Monta and Wright are a pocket pair this season. Your throwing a lot of doe on a river card that aint flopped quite yet my good man. As of now, agreed, unrealistic trade.
I think the W’s would have a better chance of landing Melo via free agency. That means they would have to trade Monta or Biedrins for an expiring contract. If they play that game, there is no guarantee they would land him as evidenced by Cleveland, Chicago, NJ, and NY in the LBJ sweepstakes. But, that seems like the only way to take him away from Denver since they don’t control his FA status.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami
by Doctor Kajita on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Funny, I was about to comment how I don't think we need Melo, how he's a bad fit for this team ...
… but then you mentioned trading Monta for him.
That is, ultimately, exactly the sort of move which would make Melo make sense.
I think Carmelo, like most high-volume scoreers, is a little overrated. But I like him a heck of lot more than I like Monta …
The problem with giving up Wright is that right now we have a potential depth problem at the big spot. I’m not sure Wright is the answer to that problem, but it is something we have to solve.
Mind you
this proposed deal will NOT work, unless Monta Ellis makes a vast improvement from last season, mentally. Physically, Monta is one of the more able good players in the league. In other words, he needs to pretend that Stephen Curry is Baron Davis. I do not see Monta as an imaginative man, nonetheless, he must do this if he is to succeed in our back court, as thus his success would breed good publicity among the league and it’s peers. Brandan Wright must prove himself this year. He will have endless opportunities to do just that, with Udoh injured, and two former Warriors manning the position, traded away.
Again, I am not saying we are the sexiest of girls on the block. Maybe not just yet, but Ellis and Wright can be very pretty, if they can work hard and play smart basketball this season. It is not too much to ask. I am not asking for Isaiah Rider to quit crack and become a veteran leader on our squad. Ellis is a proven player who has shown for an entire season, that he can be one of the most if not the most efficient guard in the league. Wright on the other hand is not proven, yet is far from incapable of becoming a reliable up and coming player.
These are all just thoughts of a madman with gross aspirations for his ball club. We will definitely see if things pan out for us to become a player in Carmelo’s court.
to big of a risk
being a free agent next year, if he doesnt seem to like it, he will leave to go to NY as quick as a hiccup
More inconsistency
You argue Monta sucks (we all know that?) yet, you think that he and a total injury bust and a 1st (the one we’re not sending to the Nets) will net Carmelo and his Bird rights? Why do the Nuggets do that? Monta is not in Melo’s class either as an unstoppable force or a stadium-filling draw. So, i don’t understand the point of this point rather than dumping on Monta for being a crappy PG / low BB IQ guy.
Monta doesn't suck
I think Monta is actually a very talented shooting guard. I think Coach Nelson’s communication with Monta, and Monta’s opinion of himself as a “ball player” sucks. There was not a fan who loved Monta more when he was showing more restraint on the court and viewing the game more from an opportunist’s perspective. Now, he is so bent on being “the man” and I think he really came into this season with the idea that “I’d be damned before I let the offense go through this kid, rather than me”, and it really showed on the court. I never imagined he would force things as strongly as he did. It was very ugly at times.
His jumpshot has become very flat and has lost some of its rotation. I blame this on the ankle and his marginal loss of explosiveness. It just seems like he shot more with this legs before the injury, and now his release has grown a bit quicker and harder. Just an observation.
At any rate, I don’t think reverting back to the 06-07 season as an older, wiser Monta is out of the question. It will just require some much improved communication from the staff, a little soul searching on Monta’s part, maybe a little social initiative from Steph, and a little refinement on his mid-range game. With that said, I do not personally know Monta to say that he is enough of a thinker and a man to accept what he must do to become more successful. I can only hope. And that’s really what this fanpost is ALL about, right? Hope. So let’s just keep that in mind, and hope the two gentleman standing in the spotlight the best of luck, if not for the Warriors and the glory of the queen, for Carmelo.
I think Curry can be
if not just as good, better than Stockton. Go ahead, laugh. Lee on the other hand, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha is definitely no Malone. But he’s a very, very good player nonetheless. And yes, I’m a strong advocate of the trade. Hell, if he keeps making all-star teams he may even gain entry into that heaven known as the Hall of Fame (As jacked as that whole system is….). Philosophically, this raises similar questions on religion. Is it good works that grants me entry to heaven?(scoring) What is a good work? (scoring? sharing?) How do I succeed in a good work if it is indeed I am servicing myself in the end by gaining reputation towards heaven? (votes, bonuses) Haha…
Biedrins and Monta for Melo would be a bad trade for us.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 13, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions
If they come back to form.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 13, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa....
I think the real question here is… What KIND of garbage bags did you wear?
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 13, 2010 7:58 PM PDT reply actions
Who are you replying to ?
Use the reply button.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 13, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Denver would never part with Carmelo for Ellis
Unless they are absolutely going to lose Melo for nothing. Even though I feel like another team can put up a better offer than Ellis.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jul 13, 2010 8:29 PM PDT reply actions
NYK will trade Randolph, Buike, and Turiaf for Melo next season.
Mark my words. lol
Wow
I really can’t wait until this season starts so Monta and Steph prove to be one hell of a backcourt and keep u haters quiet….
So you wouldn't trade Monta for Carmelo Anthony?
What is wrong with you?
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 13, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
i never said that
I would do it. I’m just geting tired of these comments of Monta can’t work well with Curry and what not. It’s been one injury ridden season. It’s too early to tell. Jeez…
by Richboievans on Jul 14, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the consensus
is justifiable given that they were both pretty healthy throughout the whole season. I understand that the other players being healthy would’ve changed the entire dynamic concerning how the offense would’ve ran and what not, but overall I think we got a pretty fair glimpse into how Curry and Ellis play together.
I think offensively there is still room for them to grow and I think this growth could prove significant enough. Unfortunately, I think this is based more so on how Ellis decides to respond to Curry being the leader. All in all, the defensive liability of a small back court doesn’t change however way you want to spin it. Since this is the main argument people tend to have with the tandem in the first place, I think its fair to make that assessment after only one season.
Lol wut?
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 13, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Aghh.
It’s not so much that we “hate” Ellis or even that we think he sucks. I just think there is a better fit for Curry in the backcourt. Ellis likes to dominate the ball. He needs a bigger point like Baron who can switch on defense and put a body on bigger opponents. He needs a point guard who does not specialize in scoring to look to set him up more. Ellis will be better and happier with this kind of player by his side.
The Warriors will be happier with a shooting guard who does not expect the world when it comes to keeping the ball in his hand, who dribbles less, looks to score less, passes more, defends better and with more versatility, rebounds, has a perimeter game, and takes pride doing the little things like setting screens and working hard on help defense to buy into the team concept more.
I really think the whole timing of Curry’s arrival as a teammate for Ellis couldn’t have been more F’d up and of worse circumstance. You’ve got a player who has been publicly crucified for getting hurt on a moped, who’s ego is bruised enough to the point where he is trying way too hard to make a successful comeback in one year’s time, hoping for redemption, his best teammate and friend gets traded away, the owners threaten to void his contract, the fans are pissed at him, and here comes this baby-faced little punk who cost us Amare coming in here with a little smirk on his face while he’s shooting three’s. Pissed off.
Regardless of what Monta’s opinion is as of now, I just think he’s run his course as Warrior and Curry could use a better teammate that could help us in some of our weaker facets that Monta does not specifically address. I think both guys would be happier if it’s the right situation. I know how you’re feeling right now Richboievans, I’m here for you :) ……. Let’s just try to see past the up and under lay ups and the back door lobs, and get an idea of the grander picture, yes?
STOP TRYING TO TRADe monta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eaither trade vlad, bell, AND ANOTHER EXPIRING CONTRACT FOR MELO.. OR WAIT A YR…
STOP HATING ON MONTA.. HE BELONGS IN A WARRIORS UNIFORM….
by montaellis4president on Jul 13, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions
you name
clearly shows we should take your opinions on Monta with a grain of salt.
by tom88gsw on Jul 13, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hm you don’t think Monta would make a good president? I can picture it now.
“Yeah I think the best president would have been Abe Lincoln. Uh I’m probably the second best president up to date. I can do it all. Third would be John F Kennedy.”
Warriors.
by jonathannn on Jul 13, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Trade garbage for Carmelo Anthony?
Are you stupid?
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 13, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
I’m very stupid. I read books all day on how to be dumber and less persuasive. I wake up every day and repeatedly stub my toe against the bed post while playing “my country tis of thee” on my kazoo until it is nothing more than a bloody stump. Then I crawl under my covers and just sob………. when I’m done, I like to eat candy bars and laugh at fat people that walk by my window. I yell at my mom to buy my 8 children more clothes and to hurry it up with the meat loaf. What is your life like? I really want to get to know you and develop a friendship to share the moment with. :)
Not your trade
I think your trade is unrealistic, but not the worst thing ever.
eaither trade vlad, bell, AND ANOTHER EXPIRING CONTRACT FOR MELO
That is the trade I was responding to. It was an angry and stupid post.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 14, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This would have to be a sign and trade right?
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
Not if it happens during the season
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 13, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see
a list of teams that you would deem significantly more able to acquire Carmelo Anthony, than the Warriors. The New York Knicks are number 1, right? Even though I think Carmelo Anthony and Amare would be absolutely horrible teammates. Who else? I would like to know the teams and the pieces they could offer, while still maintaining a desirable surrounding cast. I would like to know the philosophy of their coach and the team’s style of play and how it bodes with Anthony’s game. I would like to know how their departing pieces would help Denver.
Melo!
1st off Denver is in the same boat as Toranto. melo is going to leave denver like bosh did..
so basically denever is looking to get back some good young talent or some cash to free up for years to come and rebuild quickly!
Vlad, bell, and gaudaric or w.e. would be good cash for melo, but wouldnt be able to replace his talents… if i were denever id do it becuz id have money for the next few seasons.. and to possibly add some talent if he decides to come back after a yr..
this works out for the dubs becuz we get melo and rid of the boo boo players..
by montaellis4president on Jul 13, 2010 11:59 PM PDT reply actions
I don't
see them trading Melo for just cash. I think they’d want a star in return, or at least good player wrapped in a golden fleece.
If/When Ellison buys
we could just offer monta, vlad, and $40 million cash out of his pocket. Would be like $10 to the rest of us haha
just saying
he can afford it if need be. Im not sure how sending cash considerations works though. Can anyone enlighten? Is it against the cap or out of the owners pockets?
this guy is pure comedy gold
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Reposted comment on Melo trades
Here’s a link my remark from June 30th when TH37 posted on the Warriors trading for Melo. Funny enough both Azabuike and Randolph are gone but my main point still defeats your trade proposal, which is that Denver already has a glut of players at the 1 & 2 or PG & SG spots.
Billups (2 years $27 mil, but with TO for yr 2)
Smith (1 year $6 mil, UFA)
Affialo (2 years $5mil, RFA for yr 2)
Lawson (4 yrs $9 mil, but consecutive TO’s years 2 & 3.
- source: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm
You could argue that nearly everyone would jump ship if Anthony left, but if they go max deal with Anthony, then I doubt Affialo or Lawson would go any where and that the $$$ they save with Billups and Martin ($29.5 mil) coming off the books would allow them still be active in the FA market. Why would Denver want to tie themselves down with Monta and/or Biedrins contract(s)? I mean they might if Anthony were still around, but if not then they’d need to blow up the franchise and having $11 to $20 mil committed for the next through the 12-13 would only slow down the rebuilding process.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
I admit
it’s not the best trade idea in the world. It has it’s obvious flaws and all, and one would have to wonder how a backcourt of Lawson and Ellis would work out. They would obviously be unstoppable in the open court, but once things slow down, they have a similar dilemma to on the defensive end. Lawson does significantly out weigh Curry by about 20 lbs, but the height is obviously lacking.
I think ideally, Monta would do very well in Detroit or Phoenix, playing with either Stuckey or Dragic. I’m not sure how Sloan would handle Monta’s game, but he and Deron Williams would probably do well. Ideally, those are three teams I can think of off the top of my head where Ellis would fit in well.
If Denver would listen to a phone call offering Ellis and Wright, I think that they could make proper adjustments to round out the team a little better. Billups is a highly tradable commodity with his contract winding down, and they could use him to land a good three. J.R. Smith could also be a good sign-and-trade away from filling in the gaps. I honestly don’t think that Denver is dead and floating in the water without Carmelo to rescue them. They’re not in as bad as shape as say, Cleveland. They still have some good pieces in Lawson, Nene, and Afflalo.
I honestly don’t think that Denver is dead and floating in the water without Carmelo to rescue them
This is the crux of the problem that I have with your analysis, because it makes some strong assumptions. While we all can only speculate as to what players will do next off-season I strongly doubt that any player would walk away from guaranteed money to be an FA with the lockout looming over their collective heads. Melo has a $18 million dollar Player Option that he can exercise for the 11-12 season. I’m fairly certain your assumption that Denver is dead in the water is based on Melo opting out. If he opts in there is no need for Denver to panic and in fact with a new collective bargaining agreement looming around the corner that in might even behoove them to wait on doing anything until they see how the new salary cap and structure of contracts will work.
Furthermore, even if the owners cave and the player get them to just Xerox a copy of the old CBA it still might work better for Denver to wait on Melo. Reason being is that they already have $22 million coming off the books (Martin & Smith) and Billups would be another $ 14 million if they didn’t pick up this Team Option. If Melo leaves too they can completely start over like the Heat and sign multiple players to max deals. And if Melo stays they can easily sign another Max player to join him by the aforementioned dropping of the TO on Billup’s contract.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
Three way trade with Memphis?
Memphis receives: Monta Ellis
Denver receives: Rudy Gay, Brandon Wright, Future 1st Round pick (warriors)
Warriors receive: Carmelo Anthony
This would have to be at the trade deadline but, I know Memphis has been after Monta for awhile because he is from that area so he would bolster there ticket sales. The Nuggets get another athletic SF who can draw crowds, Brandon Wright who may or may not pan out, and a pick. I don’t think Denver can get much more value for Melo than that. Although this might fall though because Memphis just re-signed Gay and they may not want to trade him so quickly straight up for Monta. Also I am not 100% sure if the number match because the trade machine will not let put Rudy Gay into a trade because he just signed.
Seeing as
Memphis just have a max deal to Rudy Gay, I dont think they are looking to move him for Monta. They want the Mayo deal. Also, I think most people who agree that Gay is grossly overpaid now. Not so sure that Denver wants that contract.
Problem
Right now the W’s biggest problem is not the 2 spot, but what the situation is going to be at the 5 spot. Right now there is no depth at the position, and everyone has to hold out hope that the starter (A B) has a bounce back season.
The 5 spot is a BIg ?.
Ellis at his norm will hold his own with the avg. SG in the West Con.(Gordon, Mayo , JR etc.). but realistically what can we look for from the 5 as it now stands?
More 5 help is greatly needed.
well...
if those things happen this coming season, would carmelo really be needed? I mean if monta ellis becomes all-star status and brandon wright turns into what we dreamed of, who needs carmelo :P
imo itll just be money. a lot of money from ellison.

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