Contrary to popular opinion...
Larry Ellison is not God. He is not a savior. He and his money bags were never going to simply open up and turn your favorite sports team into the juggernaut you wanted. Sorry. Any hopes you had of this were founded on immature, selfish, irrational, and silly dreams that were in no way, shape, or form grounded in anything approaching reality.
Ellison is a business man, not a barely deserving impetuous internet prince. Ellison would NOT have treated the Warriors like a toy, he would have run it sensibly. Even if they could (and they can't), neither Ellison nor the actual new owners would be able to spend their way to a championship. Frankly, nor would I want them to if they could.
This is the NBA, not baseball. Unless they get rid of the salary cap and trade restrictions to those over the salary cap, no amount of money would help the Warriors acquire new talent. You actually have to successfully identify talent and/or luck into talented players through the draft and smart trades. I think we can all understand how having a super-rich owner will never effect the outcome of any draft. However, some folks may have difficulty understanding how salary cap rules effect how money can and cannot effect personnel decisions.
Here's a salary cap FAQ. Some highlights:
1. If you are over the cap, you cannot sign free agents except to the Mid Level Exception (usually ~5-6M, nothing that can acquire a seriously talented player).
2. If you are over the cap, you cannot make a trade where your outgoing salary is less than 125% of the incoming salary.
What does this mean?
The only way to increase player payroll is to sign players already on your roster to more lucrative contracts. In other words, you have to acquire the good players before they become really good.
Now that we've got that out of the way... anybody who is complaining about how "Ellison had the highest bid" and how "Cohan screwed us!" is not paying attention to reality. Here are the facts:
Ellison claims to have had the highest bid.
Galioto confirms that Ellison submitted the highest bid, but well after the deadline.
End of facts. That's it. That's all we actually know. Anybody who knows how an auction, or a negotiation, or a silent auction works knows that there are deadlines. Whether it's of the "submit your bid by Tuesday, 10AM" or "going once, twice, thrice, sold to the woman in the yellow hat!" variety. If the auctioneer doesn't stick to those predetermined rules, they lose credibility. If they lose credibility, they will not be hired the next time somebody needs to auction off an NBA team. Galioto Sports has a pretty strong incentive to stick to the rules. If Cohan were indeed the devil, he would have screwed over Lacob & Guber to take extra money. He didn't. Sorry Larry, make a better bid next time if you really don't want to be outbid.
Anybody who is actively involved in bidding has the responsibility to submit a bid before the auction closes. It's really rather simple. If you submit a bid late, sorry, it would be unfair to the other bidders who submitted theirs properly and on time. It would be highly unethical for the auctioneer to allow that and would lead to the auctioneer (Galioto) to never be hired again.
Personally, I suspect Ellison was outbid, didn't want to pay $450M for the Warriors, but was afraid to lose face and look like he wasn't the richest most powerful bidder. Thus, when he didn't have the high bid, he submitted a bid after the fact so he could tell Tim Kawakami that he submitted the highest bid and still appear to be the richest most powerful bad dude of all the bidders.
From what I know, the new owners have been season ticket holders for quite some time, which means that they've loved and stood by the Warriors through the DunMurph years. Meanwhile, Ellison came to watch LBJ play once. The new owners have experience in NBA ownership, while Ellison has none. The new owners have decades of experience weighing countless tough acquisition and investment decisions as a partner at one of the most widely respected venture capital firms in the world. Meanwhile, Ellison operated a very successful database company, making smart business decisions, but far fewer acquisition decisions. The new owners have passion, experience, and familiarity with what it takes to be a successful NBA owner that Larry Ellison does not. Furthermore, they're worth a combined 4 billion dollars, twice as much as resident "rich guy" Mark Cuban. There is precious little that Ellison has as an advantage over these two.
The new owners are not God. They are not anybody's savior. They are not going to turn around the Warriors by opening their checkbooks. In the NBA, you can't do that. Turning around the Warriors basketball team will require savvy drafting (e.g. Stephen Curry, Monta Ellis), exploiting smart trade opportunities (e.g. David Lee), and building the roster into something that is worthy of dipping into luxury tax to keep together. If the Warriors are successful on the basketball court, the money will be flowing in fast enough to justify keeping a good thing going by dipping into the luxury tax.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Meh.
Unnecessary. You’re not going to erase fans qualms. Fans wanted Ellison, and Cohan got one last back stab in before he left. This isn’t about Ellison, it’s about Cohan.
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by slapchop on Jul 15, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Fans wanted Ellison
For no real reason other than that he was a visible figure who publicly announced his desire to buy the Warriors… and his name was not Chris Cohan. Seriously, people just wanted a new owner, Ellison showed his mug, and people fell in love with the fact that he wasn’t Cohan. Then that morphed into something more inane.
Cohan likes money. He does not actively hate Warriors fans. If Ellison had submitted a proper bid that was the highest, I’m 100% sure Cohan would have accepted and whistled down the street with his extra $5 million.
This isn’t about Ellison or Cohan, it’s about the irrationality of so many Warriors fans that have become so jaded throughout the Cohan tenure that they can’t even think straight.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 15 recs
Hey.
I’m not arguing whether or not their wants are justified (I don’t think they are.) I just know that they aren’t mad at Lacob, they’re mad at Cohan. You can call it irrational, you can call it stupid, but this is what it is.
You want to talk about jaded? Jaded is arguing in defense of a Cohan lackey in Larry Riley, but we’ve been doing it for the past week. This fan club has no clue what it wants or needs. It just wants to win.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
You want to talk about jaded? Jaded is arguing in defense of a Cohan lackey in Larry Riley, but we’ve been doing it for the past week. This fan club has no clue what it wants or needs. It just wants to win.
So, what will you say when Lacob decides to keep Riley around for a little while longer?
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 15, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure hope not
I know he has had a pretty nice offseason. However, I think we need to rid ourselves of all those closely connected to the Cohan/Rowell regime (aka Riley and Nelson). If Nelson was 55 or even 60 years old I may feel differently about this, but he is 70 and has already said this will be his last year if he coaches. We just need to find our replacement sooner than later and start moving on in the right direction. We will see how the rest of this offseason pans out and what moves are made before a clearer judgment of Riley will be made. I don’t see the new owners really stopping Riley from making moves until they are approved by the league and decide to hire someone else (if they do at all). Let’s see what he can do to fix our SF issue. We have very nice pieces to work with as far as expirings, if he blows it with those… good bye! Yesterday was a VERY good day for the franchise. I felt sucker punched as well finding out Ellison lost, but the more I’ve read about Lacob (interviews etc) the more I like him. He is around basketball alot, which is always a good thing. I hope he hires a true “basketball guy” as president. He can be an owner with a vision and an understanding of the game. If he does not try to completely take over (Jerry Jones) but rather gives his input than this could be the start of something good for us, finally.
I know I kind of contradict myself saying a clearer judgement will be made later, but my point was as of now I think he needs to go. If he ends up making some more really nice moves than ok maybe we can give him another year or so. I just think with a new owner coming in and the type of fan base and media market we have, there is a chance at getting a marquee guy like Pritchard.
Hey slap how can you really justify calling Riley a Cohen lackey? The guy been here a short time and has not really made any real mistakes plus has made some very good moves.
I dont see your logic there.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
i back that up whole heartedly. Riley has done nothing but impress me when i had high skepticism when he took over. Kudos to him though, made a strong case to keep him around with new ownership.
Big suprise for me was hearing Lacob on sportsnet central and finding out he has been a season ticket holder and has what sounds like a legit interest and knowledge of the team. Sounds like someone aside from his business successes in someone who really is already personally invested as a fan already and wants to get things back on track. He’s at least saying the right things so far.
by dannyschmanny on Jul 15, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh. He's going to have to defend the Udoh pick pretty hard for me to feel he should stay ...
… but really, it’s not just about evaluating his past performance.
Lacob and Gruber need to figure out what their vision for the franchise is, basketballwise. If Riley doesn’t match that, or doesn’t seem like the right guy to get them there, then he should be let go.
I like what Riley has done this offseason except for the draft pick, which I’ve liked less and less the more I’ve learned about it.
But it’s quite possible he could be “honorably discharged” – let go because of conflicting visions, not because he’s done anything wrong.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 15, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
defend Udoh?
with the players available at our draft spot, Udoh was:
most mature (good on a team of young guys)
most well-rounded player
best post defender
best shot blocker
best rebounder
has some post moves
super hungry, high energy guy who wasn’t handed anything
by tjmax on Jul 15, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
After watching Monroe in summer league I cant say that I am outraged that we dont have him.
Udoh may turn out to be the best pick after all but with the wrist thing he will very late coming in/missing training camp…too bad.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need
defensive big men. We have plenty of guys who can score the ball. Udoh fit what we need very well. Monroe is more of a face the basket, extend to the elbow big man. I’m not huge on Udoh but I think he fit what we need. Too bad we wont find out for a while.
The problem is, Udoh's college production stinks.
This is a link work reading;
http://shawnfuryan.wordpress.com/2010/07/13/2010_post-draft_analysis/
Cole Aldrich and Ed Davis would have been better picks.
Best rebounder? Both of those guys were better college rebounders. Aldrich got the same number of boards in 8 fewer minutes a game. Davis’ per minute rebounding numbers are clearly better. So no, he wasn’t the best rebounder available.
Best shot blocker? Again, Aldrich is clearly better. (.2 fewer blocks/game in 8 fewer minutes). So he wasn’t the best shot blocker.
Has some post moves?
FG% FTA/G
EU .490 4.5
CA .562 4.4
ED .578 5.7
MAybe he does, maybe he doesn’t have better post moves, but there’s no question that he’s a worse offensive player than either of those two guys.
Defensively, I’ll admit that I have no idea … but I sure as heck wouldn’t trust whatever source told you Udoh was the best rebounder and best shot blocker because that source was talking out of it’s .
i really wanted aldrich
5 blocks per 40, 15 rebounds per 40.
but I think in the context of the Warriors offense Udoh is a better fit. But I really wanted Aldrich next if Cousins was taken
Goal: 8 seed!
but I think in the context of the Warriors offense Udoh is a better fit. But I really wanted Aldrich next if Cousins was taken
You mean, if he’s going to be surrounded by a low-production center and a question mark at SF (since Corey was going, and Lee wasn’t yet a done deal) … he’ll fit right in if he stinks on offense?
:)
Would love to be wrong here, but I just don’t get it.
I actually wasn't even considering him a 4
I was thinking of him as a slightly undersized (same height as D.Howard without shoes) backup C who’s sole reason for existence was to put the hurt on opposing big men and collect defensive rebounds.
Goal: 8 seed!
Charles Oakley?
Although he was an undersized 4…but same concept applies.
Maybe Anthony Mason is a good comparison as well.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Ron he will probably be gone shortly down the road.
Never seen a takeover where new management is not eventually brought in. Riley deserves at least a short term chance for transition sake. New President will come in first then pressure will be applied downward..new manager then new coach…unless Riley pulls a rabbit outta the hat and manages to stay on.
I would be surprised though. They probably will decide when the new coach should come in whether Riley is the guy to see Nellie off or bring a new manager in first before letting Nellie go.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You want to talk about jaded? Jaded is arguing in defense of a Cohan lackey in Larry Riley
No, jaded is an irrational hatred of everything that could possibly be construed as being somehow associated for some brief period with Chris Cohan.
Know what? Anthony Randolph was drafted by a Chris Cohan organization. Good riddance!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh.
I concur. Good riddance. Especially if that riddance turns into a legitimate all-star. Every time.
And it’s not irrational to hate something that has a lot to do with why we’ve sucked for 16 years. You may think it’s stupid, but it certainly isn’t irrational.
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by slapchop on Jul 15, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Cohan likes money. He does not actively hate Warriors fans. If Ellison had submitted a proper bid that was the highest, I’m 100% sure Cohan would have accepted and whistled down the street with his extra $5 million."
looks like this may not be true….. per MS
http://twitter.com/MSteinmetzCSN/status/18652533372MSteinmetzCSN
1. After going round & round & round, all I can come up with is Cohan didn’t want to sell to Ellison. 25 minutes ago via TweetDeck
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
and
@BayAsFan No, Ellison not looking to lowball Cohan. He offered more than $460m. Cohan wanted way not to sell to Ellison
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he offer it within the predecided time frame.
That is the only question. Nobody’s questioning the FACT (yes, it is a fact) that Ellison offered more. The only question is when the offer was made. Was it made in mid-June prior to any finalized decisions or was it offered on July 10th after Cohan stopped talking to Ellison because he’d gone with the highest bidder at the time the auction closed.
It’s really rather simple.
Steinmetz’ tweet does not change any of the facts. He does not state that Ellison’s $460M bid was submitted on time. It is pure speculation and opinion. Unless he shares some new information, every single comment from everybody involved (both Ellison and Galioto) paints a pretty straight forward picture:
Galioto closed bidding. Ellison submitted a higher bid. Galioto did not accept Ellison’s bid because they’d already started moving with the highest bidder at the close of the bidding process.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So,
Unless you actually have new information to share, please stop stirring the pot.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
wow. someones not overly sensitive.
it seems to me that you presented an argument of Cohan would take the highest bidder (if properly bid) no matter what & i presented you with Steinmetz saying that his sources are saying that Cohan wasn’t selling to Ellison no matter what (properly bid or not).
whether this is true or not, it is info provided by a reasonable source that contradicts your argument. instead of admitting that there could be a possibility that you were wrong (unless MS has some hidden agenda), you decide to throw a hissy fit at the messenger & accuse me of stirring the pot. nice.
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not overly sensitive
Just tired of the same old BS being reposted over and over and over and over again.
I’ll say it again. Nothing Steinmetz said in his speculative tweets refutes Galioto’s claim that Ellison was too late with his bid. If Ellison felt that statement was untrue, why wouldn’t he come out and say so? He’s already stated that his bid was higher… he’s already taken the step to try to throw some egg on the face of Galioto and Cohan. Why not continue to do so by coming out and explaining how he wasn’t late with his bid or whatever.
If you have actual information to share instead of speculation from a beat writer, please share it. Until then, you’re just stirring the pot.
Now, I have heard somebody claim that they’re in corporate law and that things stay in the works for a while in the hopes that something else materializes. That’s a valid concern. I don’t know.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
all we can do is speculate. I want to hear something else from Ellison and something from Cohan. Galatioto was hired as an auctioneer. His job was to get the highest bid! I don’t really buy this whole deadline thing. I know Ellison had no respect for Cohan and maybe he did not like LE for that. I agree though, all we are really doing is stirring the pot because we dont really know what happened.
Here's the problem:
If Galatotio breaks the rules for this option, in the name of getting Cohan a few extra bucks in the future, he will destroy his business model.
Auctions wouldn’t work if people felt they could wait til it was over, see what the price was, and then hop in and top the bid. If such a thing was allowed, nobody would bid until the auction was over.
If GSP breaks the rules of the auction to help Cohan squeeze out a few extra bucks, they destroy their future business. Nobody would hire them because nobody would bid.
Think of it this way: if you had two options as a buyer, either to engage in a competitive bidding process or to wait until the competitive bid was over and beat the price paid, which would you pick? Wouldn’t you ALWAYS pick the latter, since it prevents a series of alternate bids from driving up the price?
? Steinmetz tweets indicate that Cohan had no intention to sell to Ellison. that Cohan wasn’t selling to him no matter what.
Looks like it. RT @Whitsha: @MSteinmetzCSN do you think Cohan just used Ellison to drive up the price and never intended to sell to him? about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck #
# Had Larry Ellison not been involved in process, no way Ws would have sold for so much. He raises price by being involved. about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck
i kind of find it hard to believe that Ellison was simply tardy. but hey, if you’re offended by that. i’m sorry. i was just trying to present additional info, but i see that it isn’t wanted. apparently questioning things with reasonable sources is not allowed.
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
i kind of find it hard to believe that Ellison was simply tardy.
Me too. But somebody has accused him of that, and he hasn’t refuted that accusation. It’s a relatively easy step for him to refute that accusation. If he wasn’t tardy, I don’t see why he doesn’t come out and say so. The mere fact that he hasn’t come out and said so leads me to believe that he was, in fact, tardy.
apparently questioning things with reasonable sources is not allowed.
You’re not “questioning” anything. You’re just retweeting speculation from Steinmetz and @Witsha. The difference between your stance and mine is that mine is based only on the known facts:
A) Ellison submitted a higher bid. – Both Ellison and Galioto have been quoted on this. This is certain.
B) That higher bid was submitted late. – Galioto publicly stated this, Ellison has not denied it. Until Ellison denies it, his lack of denial is pretty much evidence that he did submit that bid late.
So, as I’ve said before: Please post information instead of regurgitating speculation… even if that speculation is from a non-TK journalist who usually has good sources. If he has sources to quote, even if they’re “unnamed sources” that claim that Cohan blackballed Ellison, I’d probably believe it.
Until then, I’ll believe what I know to be true: That Ellison submitted a higher bid, and that that bid was late. Do you have any information to add to that?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The question is, why wouldn't Cohan sell to Ellison?
Why would Cohan have something against him? What’s the logic here?
I don’t think it is outside the realm of possibility that Cohan, deep down, preferred to not sell to Ellison as a way of showing him up. All along, everyone was talking about how Ellison was going to be the final arbiter of any sale decision, that he was not going to cave, etc. Everyone involved here clearly has a massive ego. Is it that far fetched to think Cohan did not want to appear like he was being bandied about by the billionaire?
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Far-fetched, no?
But there is zero evidence for such a conjecture. One might as well say that he didn’t want to sell to him because Ellison slept with his wife – a proposition for which there is exactly as much evidence. :)
Or that Ellison is actually an alien from outer space!
Or that Cohan slept with Lacob’s wife and wanted to make amends!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, there is ZERO evidence that Ellison slept with Cohan’s wife (dude does kind of look like an alien though, DFiB); however, there are multitudinous indications that Cohan is the type of person to allow his petty conflicts of personality to cloud his decision making process. I mean, that has basically been his M.O for the last 16 years. It’s the reason we’ve sucked so hard and are now so happy he’s gone.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
however, there are multitudinous indications
I am a voracious reader with a pretty good vocab but I have never seen the word “multitudinous” used before…hats off ,you won that argument.:-)
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 16, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with the opinion that the price would not have been driven up as high without Ellison. Afterall, the Suns sold for 400 million without Ellison. NBA franchises are in high demand right now, especially ones in major media markets. Bay Area > Arizona media wise, therefore their market price should be higher. Ellison might have added $50 million to the whole deal. This Ellison effect is way overblown.
It was about Ellison submitting a bid too late (based on what we know) and us blaming anyone but Ellison.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 15, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well said and agreed. Warrior fans, including myself, got a little too excited at the prospect of having a globally wealthy owner run the team. I still would have liked to see what Ellison would have done. It would have been great theater. I know that isn’t the be-all-end-all, but the man intrigues me.
Let’s hope Lacob does us good.
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Ode to Tim Kawakami
Yeah
It’d be funny to see which of his America’s cup competitive strategies he’d try to translate to the NBA.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
True, True, True
Lacob is a fan of the game, that holds more weight in my opinion than Ellisons pockets.
Lacob has plenty deep enough pockets too
If that’s your thing… gold digger. That was directed at the gold diggers, not you pre10d.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i am a little worried that being a fan of the game might cause him to be a meddling owner who thinks he knows more than his basketball people.
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't have it both ways!
Wow. Lacob hasn’t even taken the reigns yet and already people are complaining.
Wasn’t that the #1 functional complaint for the majority of Cohan’s tenure – the absence of vision and guidance from the owner’s office?
calm down. i have no problems with Lacob. i’m just stating a fact that sometimes owners who are fans think they know more than the guys the hire. i’m sorry if i ruined your high with a dose of reality.
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree and Rec'd always great to read sensible words rather than the whining or hype.
Gruber isnt my dream owner but the majority partner has experience/bay area ties etc.
I have always chuckled at people who think that because Ellison is rich that he will" buy" us better players etc. I liked his competitive nature but thats not to say these owners donot have the same desire to right this ship.
The main thing here is that this is not a quick fix and I dont disagree with Rato that it may be a 3-5 year minimum to create a 50 win team.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
You know what?
I was like a five year old not getting his way and throwing a hissy fit about fifteen minutes ago but you won me over. Great points.
My disappointment in not getting Ellison does not stem from his infinite resources. It’s because Larry Ellison is the alpha type who believes that losing is flat out not an option. He single handedly willed the America’s Cup to victory all because, he dabbles in sailing as a hobby. This is a guy that lives by the motto “It’s not enough that I win. All others must lose.” That is exactly the type of personality I wanted in an owner.
Given the option of a die hard fan who seems very savvy vs a person who would run over a thousand puppies in a tank to gain market share, I’ll still take the latter. But you make excellent points. Rec’d.
You make me sick.




Save the puppies!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He single handedlywilledbought the America’s Cup, a sport without a salary cap and the complex rules that limit the effectiveness of simply buying better players like they were a boatto victoryall because, hedabbles inis apparently quite passionate about sailingas a hobby.
his is a guy that lives by the motto "It’s not enough that I win. All others must lose." That is exactly the type of personality I wanted in an owner.
He has that in common with George Steinbrenner, Marc Cuban, Peter Angelos, Al Davis, and a bunch of other guys … not all of them very successful.
But all very notable.
And I think Warrior fans are sick of being overlooked, having ESPN take cheap shots at them, hating the Lakers while the Lakers don’t even consider us a rival, etc.
Ellison would have gotten people talking about the Warriors.
Note: As long as these guys are faithful to the Warriors and not the Celtics, I am very happy with this move. I am explaining a potential reason people wanted Ellison.
What? They are all quite successful. Minus Angelos. I’ve never heard of that dude.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
I think you need to educate yourself a bit before calling Steinbrenner successful.
He spent money like a madman, was involved in a disaterous way in trades and management …
… and then he was suspended, and therefore not active in putting together the team which turned into a dynasty.
That’s ridiculous. HE MADE MONEY HAND OVER FIST. He is successful.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Whoa.
For the purpose of this discussion, I was using successful to mean winning.
No question, Steinbrenner is probably the most financially successful sports owner of all time. He bought the team in a deal involving less than $200k of his own money. (The rest was silent investors.) When he died, the team may well be worth close to $3 Billion.
If the amount of money made defines success, no argument. He’s the best. I don’t think anyone else even comes close.
But that wasn’t what I was talking about …
And if we're using successful to mean earnings
Mark Cuban is super unsuccessful with his team. IIRC, his organization loses money constantly.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 16, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it does depend on how you quantify his success, but even if you’re taking it to mean winning, 7 championships in one lifetime is quite successful. You have to remember, you have 1/32 odds pretty much.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Right, but I already addressed how some of those championships ...
… occured when/because he was suspended.
And you can’t talk about Steinbrenner the owner without talking about the disruptive force he was as an owner – hiring and firing people willy-nilly, once demanding that a player be yanked out of a game, HIRING A PRIVATE EYE TO FRAME ONE OF HIS PLAYERS, etc.
He also...
…was convicted of illegal contributions to Nixon. Not terribly relevant, but interesting.
Peter Angelos...
…is the notoriously terrible owner of the Baltimore Orioles. Jon Miller became the Giants broadcaster after Angelos dumped him because he was upset that Miller wasn’t more openly laudatory of a bad team, or so the popular wisdom goes… in addition to the fact that he’s presided over a period of intense futility in Baltimore. Sort of baseball’s Cohan, perhaps? I don’t know much about his propensity for claiming winning is his top priority.
i think the best comparison for Ellison would have been Paul Allen. the advantages being someone who buys draft picks, doles out big money to RFAs to cause their teams to pause before matching & someone who gets the best trainers, coaches & GMs.
but he could have been as eccentric & there is no guarantee that he would spend wisely as well.
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
And it's not like Paul Allen has won a lot, or ...
… for that matter, that his front office has been that well managed. What the heck happened with Kevin Pritchard this offseason? They fired him right before the draft, but he was still running their draft room?
Active, involved big-ego, hyper-competitive owners are a blessing and a curve.
Another example: Jerry Jones. He was instrumental in building the Dallas dynasty in the early 90s by sweeping out a lot of dead wood and giving Jimmy Johnson room to be brilliant. Then egos clashed, and Johnson left, and the team fell apart, and a big part of the reason Johnson left was because Jones wanted more credit (there were stories of Jones wanting Johnson to act like Jones was making decisions in the draft room on draft day for the cameras).
yeah. i have no problem with Lacob and, as i posted below, in some ways prefer him.
my only problem is that, according to Steinmetz, Cohan used Ellison to drive up the sales price by forcing others to bid against Ellison, but never intended to sell it to him. and that Ellison’s bid was 460+ (which is not a few million as Galatioto stated). it’s also hard to believe that Ellison (who is no stranger to auctions) turned in a bid that missed the deadline….. if what Steinmetz tweeted is true, Cohan just worked Ellison, Guber/Lacob and disappointed most Warrior fans while slapping them in the face with a letter about being “the best fans in the NBA”….. if i wasn’t a Warrior fan myself, i’d be praising Cohan for doing work.
oh well. maybe i’ll just lie to myself & assume that MS is making this up for twitter hits (do you get anything for twitter hits?)
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Paul Allen's...
…teams are at the very least usually pretty competitive. He also owns the Seahawks who’ve been a generally good organization in the NFL.
Utah's teams are competitive too.
And have had the same amount of success the Blazers have had over the same time period. Why not emulate the Jazz ownership group?
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Let’s see… on the one hand, you’ve got mulitple wives. On the other hand, you’ve got multiple wives. No thanks.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha that's funny.
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My first reaction...
was to be disappointed. I’m not sure why. I guess I had attached all my hopes to Ellison thanks to all the reports that the deal was as good as done, but I really don’t have any reason to think we are in worse shape today than we were yesterday.
In fact all of today’s reports have soured me a bit on Ellison, and eased any of my apprehension about Lacob. Seems like he will be a fan/owner, which could be a good or bad thing. We’ll see. At least we’ve got someone who cares now. Thank goodness this is over and we can move on, and start what should be a bright new chapter in Warriors history (at least compared to the last chapter).
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by olympicmike on Jul 15, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Thank goodness this is over and we can move on, and start what should be a bright new chapter in Warriors history (at least compared to the last chapter).
Amen.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Dumb question. How do you do the green background?
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 17, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
When you get three recs...
it turns green. It’s SBN’s way of saying “hey look at this, other people thought it was worth reading.” It’s kind of like highlighting by committee. If you see something you think should be highlighted or recognized you can click actions>Rec. You can see how many times something has been recommended by other members right next to the ‘actions’ button. I just gave you one for example.
Hope that helps.
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by olympicmike on Jul 17, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thee Shall Be Greeneth!
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 17, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear you but...
I think most fans (at least those who understand the salary cap) weren’t necessarily interested in Ellison because of his deep pockets but rather because he has proven to be an astute businessman. This may be speculation but he doesn’t seem like he looks at owning the Warriors as just a business investment because he doesn’t need the money. But rather he’s interested in owning a winning powerhouse in the Bay Area because he’s super competitive. Cohan always seemed to be the opposite, only interested in posting a profit at the end of the fiscal year while caring less about actually making the playoffs. Good riddens!
by KindOfInterestedInWinning on Jul 15, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions
And this does not apply to the new owners... how?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
DfiBoston, where did you find out the net worth of these guys is $4Billion?
by GoldenShower on Jul 15, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't refind it...
I had read somewhere that Lacob was worth ~3.2B and Guber was worth $900M. I can’t refind the article though… sorry.
Full disclosure:
I did, however, find this article from CSN Bay Area. About halfway down it talks about another prospective buyer with a net worth of 3.3B, so maybe I was messing up the two.
Regardless, they’re both very rich and have just spent $450B on a basketball team.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And it's
Good riddance.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, it's simple
Larry Ellison is worth 28 Billion and the sixth richest man in the world.
Joe Lacob doesn’t even have a wiki page and hasn’t cracked a billion dollars…so this is a business for him FIRST. That’s the difference.
Think about owners such as Jerry Buss who frequently go over the luxury tax because he can and then consider the owner of the New Orleans hornets who’s essentially holding a fire sale at this point because he’s losing money.
by KindOfInterestedInWinning on Jul 15, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, it's simple
Um,no its not simple.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, yes it is simple.
We can do this all day. lol
by KindOfInterestedInWinning on Jul 15, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Read my post again. There are devisive economics in this league which is why there is such parity in a league where half of the teams make the playoffs. Last year teams lost 370 Million dollars which is why a lockout is inevitable. If you think teams aren’t concerned about how money then think again. My arguement is that an owner like Ellison could care less about money. He wants to win to feed his ego. We need a winner at all costs type of owner at this point. Enough is enough.
by KindOfInterestedInWinning on Jul 15, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s complex, yes. Some teams lose money (which isn’t surprising when you look at entertainment spending in a major recession). You appear to be trying to make it simple as “higher net worth of owner —> more willingness to go into tax —> will win”. That series of leaps has many, many holes in it. It’s not that simple. I do not think you’ve actually examined the situation all that carefully. I have.
Do you know the net worth of the Spurs’ owner? Do you know how many championships he has won? I’ve plotted the net worth of all owners vs. their playoff appearances (normed for years they’ve owned) and there is NO RELATIONSHIP AT ALL. There’s no relationship between owner net worth and championships.
In a way Jae...
…I think ownership not having the money helps them become more innovative because if they aren’t they’ll lose ownership of the team. Peter Holt and Jerry Buss, two excellent examples of two guys who aren’t major moneybags, but with different markets, have made quite a bit of money on their teams using different strategies.
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Blindly Spending Money != Championships
See: New York Knicks
I would have loved for Ellison to buy this team.
I also don’t mind someone owning this team who has previous NBA experience, is known and respected throughout ownership, and really does love the Warriors, as evidenced by him being a season ticket holder for over a decade. That’s Lacob.
There’s is one thing I do know: as long as the new owner of the Warriors isn’t Donald Sterling, anyone’s a step up from Cohan.
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by philthiest on Jul 15, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See: New York Knicks
Thats an extreme example of a horribly run franchise. Top 10 salaried teams last season.
LA Lakers ~ 91.4
Utah Jazz ~ 84.7
Boston Celtics ~ 82.2
Cleveland Cavaliers ~ 79.9
San Antonio Spurs ~ 78.3
Orlando Magic ~ 77.9
Washington Wizards ~ 77.8
Dallas Mavericks ~ 75.5
Houston Rockets ~ 74.2
New Orleans Hornets ~ 73.8
See something similar about most of those team……
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 15, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
How wealthy are the owners of most those teams?
And how are the Knicks not on that list?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
or the Suns for that matter.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The Knicks aren't there because this was last year
They had already cut out most of their salary.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
And how, exactly, did those teams get to situations where they are allowed to pay for those salary cap figures?
Why, by drafting guys and holding on to them. (Or, in the Wizards’ case, stealing Gilbert Arenas from us). Then trading “unfulfilled potential” for proven talent (See: Anthony Randolph for David Lee).
Not spendthrift owners.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously
Good teams are going to spend more, but spending more doesn’t necessarily mean your teams going to be good. The Knicks are an extreme example of that. Off that list, 3 teams didn’t make the playoffs in a league where half the teams do. Conversely, lack of spending doesn’t mean failure. The Thunder and the Blazers had two of the lowest payrolls in the league, and they were both playoff teams. It’s about spending money effectively.
And, once again, there’s not guarantee that just because Ellison has the money means he’ll spend it. Paul Allen has plenty billions of dollars, not as many as Ellison but he is still one of the 50 richest people on the planet, but the Blazers have had one of the leagues lowest payrolls the past few years.
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But...
…for this argument to make sense, you’d have to show that rich owners spend more. Of all those teams, only the Lakers and Mavs have a reputation for big spending, high powered owners- I couldn’t name most of the others. I know Larry Miller is dead; Dan Gilbert ran some loan company, so he’s probably doing okay for himself. But James Dolan, a financial baron, is noweher to be found when you look at that list of team expenditure, nor is Paul Allen. Point being, the money in the bank account doesn’t automatically mean money on the court.
James Dolan owns the Knicks.
The Blazers had cap room and are not going to be on that list this year. But in past years they were up there when Allen spent money. This year they will likely be up there again with Roy, Aldridge and Camby extensions.
I’d be shocked if the Blazers don’t have one of the 5 highest payrolls this season. Last season was an anomaly because the Blazers were trying to get FA’s and that was part of the plan all along.
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I will point out that the Rockets, Hornets and Wizards didn't pay luxury tax.
The Hornets got under after the varying amount of deals they did to get them under the line. Rockets got under with the Tmac trade. Wiz got under with the deals they made combined with the Arenas/Crittenton suspensions that dropped the total salary.
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See something similar about most of those team……
Yeah. Most of them had players worth paying big bucks for.
What you lose entirely in that picture is when the teams started spending the money they’re spending. It’s real, real, real rare for an NBA team to start spending when they’re terrible and get good as a result. It’s much more common for a team to start to improve, get good and have to spend more to keep their team in whole while trying to add pieces around the already successful nucleus.
He wants to win to feed his ego. We need a winner at all costs type of owner at this point.
Why? we don’t need to win to feed our egos, we’re just fine.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Lacob doesn’t even have a wiki page and hasn’t cracked a billion dollars…so this is a business for him FIRST. That’s the difference.
I’ll give him the nod based on him having season tickets for years while apparently ellison only went to a few games? As long as they pay the bills their extra wealth is pretty much a non issue and might actually be a positive as they won’t be as likely to wanna jack the team to SF?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I am looking forward to the announcement...
“ROBERT ROWELL fired from the Golden State Warriors”. Then it will be the Warrior fans turn to say to him, just as he said to us…. “You got screwed!”
Its a new dawn...its a new day...its a new owner ....for us!!!!! and I'm FEELING GOOD!!!!!!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 15, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
I still remember the day he looked at us in the face and said that to the Club 200 STH.
i don’t think Guber has any NBA experienc & Lacob was a minority owner (so he doesn’t attend league meetings & whatnot) – so he has about as much experience as the W’s minority group albeit with a much better franchise.
either way (even if Ellison had won), the proof will be in the years to come.
i’m actually glad though b/c i kind of hope that Ellison will buy the Kings & bring them to San Jose. ( i attended UC Davis & the Kings are my 2nd team and it’d be fun to have a team right here in San Jose).
by the evil monkey on Jul 15, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
i kind of hope that Ellison will buy the Kings & bring them to San Jose.
the ego thing for ellison to do would be to get a new franchise for seattle and show them oracle can succeed where microsoft lives?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
In my dreams...
Just so you know. Larry was one of the bidders for the Sonics when Howard Schultz put them up for the sale (which was eventually won by Bennett and Co). He put in a much higher bid for them too, but made no qualms about moving them to San Jose. Bennett and Co won the bidding because they promised a “Good Faith Effort” to keep the Sonics in Seattle.
Needless to say. I doubt he’d buy and team and move them to Seattle to stick it to Balmer, Gates, and all the other MSFT people. I think it’s much more likely that he buys a team like the Kings, puts them in San Jose and directly goings about making it his business to out do the Warriors. That seems like an Oracle like move to me.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
I would agree with this
I think he is going to just keep on trying and get whatever team becomes available. I don’t think the NBA has territorial rights (could be wrong but pretty sure not like MLB) so if he really wanted to move a team to San Jose he very well could do it.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt he’d buy and team and move them to Seattle to stick it to Balmer, Gates, and all the other MSFT people. I think it’s much more likely that he buys a team like the Kings, puts them in San Jose
I’d be much more impressed with resurrecting the Sonics , while putting a team in SanHo would be pretty high on the meh scale.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
100% with you on that.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
You guys would
But I suspect that Ellison would want to “put SJ/Silicon Valley on the map” by bringing a sports team in. Not to mention that there’s TONS of money floating around down there. Like it or not, having a professional sports team builds a city/metro area’s national reputation, elevates their recognition, and generally makes it a more attractive place to live/travel. This is why metro areas always vote to fund stadiums. Santa Clara just voted to build a new stadium for the Niners. They want it, and Ellison can provide it.
Which would stick it to Microsoft folks more: Buying a team and moving it to Seattle or watching Seattle lose their NBA team and then helping the NBA set up shop in Silicon Valley? Moving a team to Silicon Valley would stick it to them far more because it would be saying “you guys and your city aren’t significant anymore.”
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere that they were being moved to Las Vegas.
by GoldenShower on Jul 15, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
They aren't
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Pure speculation
A lot of people thought the Mandalay film company was somehow connected to Mandalay Bay Casino (it’s not) plus the rumors about an NBA team contracting with a developer to build a stadium in Vegas just popped up yesterday, around the same time as this sale. The only reason the two happened around the same time is because of the NBA Owners Meetings going on in Vegas right now.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Even better if Jobs brought a team to Seattle!
Now that Apple has a higher net worth than Microsoft. LoL
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 5:34 PM PDT reply actions
Even better if Jobs brought a team to Seattle! Now that Apple has a higher net worth than Microsoft. LoL
That would be great too, just need the sonics to get back in business so we can have another “good day”
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Would they be called the
Washington Apples?
(sorry)
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 21, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Just
look at the bright side. Anyone is better than Cohan. Plus he’s a Warrior fan/basketball fan and seems comitted to winning.
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President: Jerry West
GM: Kevin Prichard
..............SC30..............
Go Lacob!
I read all the interview with Lacob and I am exciting about he will be our new owner. I am a season ticket holder for so many years, looking forward to meet Lacob soon in the arena (whatever the new name it will be…)
Now, can we bring big baby along with you to Bay area?!?!
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jul 15, 2010 5:40 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone who question's Joe Lacob
Did you really wear a ‘’Beat L.A’’ T-shirt to the Staples Center during the 2008 NBA Finals?
Yes, that was very, very fun.
Well, I’m sold.
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who has had season tickets to the warriors the last number of years and raised his kids to be warrior fans.
by dannyschmanny on Jul 15, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Celtic fans are Warrior fans...we have one common goal.
To beat Kobe.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 15, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
dub fan essay
very well written and quite logical…non emotional and sensible. if i were to guess rowell and of course idiot 1 are gone once the ink dries…but don’t be surprised if no other changes are made UNLESS top drawer guys with proven track records are made offers they can’t turn down….west/van gundy types….if not that level then these guys will watch for a year and then the sabre rattling becomes swift cutting from top to bottom….a common approach…why waste time with some retreads that will have to go in a year or so..reilly has exceed expectation and deserves a stay of execution….i hate fatso..albeit everything about him and i would like to see him bounced, but if they can’t attract van g…and he is the only quality guy with a proven resume…then swallow hard until he says yes…
but don’t be surprised if no other changes are made UNLESS top drawer guys with proven track records are made offers they can’t turn down…
Here’s hoping Lacob is good buddies with DocRivers?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
One excited Fan!!
Ding Dong The Witch Is DEAD!! That ultimately is what matters gone are the bad karma, juju, and decisions of the last 16 years!!! I was a little worried not knowing much about this group, but Lacob is a bay area guy, who loves hoops, is a stanford and Dubs season ticket holder. He has a championship ring from the Celtics, is well liked and respected in NBA circles! Like all of us other fans he has seen how not to run a franchise and better yet he has seen what it takes to win a title with the Celtics!! Let’s let the Ellison thing go and just rejoice that the WITCH IS DEAD!!!! Oh and whats kinda cool is Guber reads this Blog and follows it on twitter!!
Correction
He’s aware of this blog’s existence, might start reading it in the future, and started following it today.
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+1
The fact that Ellison aligned himself with the minority owners so he would only have to buy 80% of the team was a clear sign that he wasnt just going to come here and start throwing money around.
This new owners have basketball expirience, seem passionate, and are still rich as hell. Cohan is about to gone, we will never have to listen to Rob Rowell again. This is a day for celebration.
By the way, google Larry Ellison Asshole and see what you get back.
Great post DFiB
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Jul 15, 2010 7:18 PM PDT reply actions
I am so glad this got all kinds of rec's.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
One thing I think we can all agree on (or maybe not), it is the end of a good name for an arena.
The Oracle led to the Roaracle, and it might be corny but I wore that name like a badge of pride during the glory days (you know, the only two years we could consider glory days).
no reason to think that just because Ellison isn’t the new owner that Oracle is suddenly going to pull out of their ties to that arena.
by dannyschmanny on Jul 15, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing I think we can all agree on (or maybe not), it is the end of a good name for an arena.
What’s there contract length? Still the same advertisement for Oracle no matter who owns the team and probably a good idea for ellison to stay close in case these guy want to sell in a few years? Maybe he’ll buy season tickets and be more committed next time it comes up?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Even if Ellison feels like Cohan did him wrong, why bear animosity toward the Warriors?
If he felt that naming the Oracle was a wise investment (caveat: I think it’s one of the dumbest advertising ideas around) that won’t have changed.
caveat: I think it’s one of the dumbest advertising ideas around
haha, yeah I don’t get the connection but these stadium names never make sense to me(pac bell park?, do phones make good baseball bats?) but I don’t see why new owners would change oracle’s position on the matter, but the economy might? wonder if that’s why ellison took it easy on the bidding?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always...
…found the very nature of advertising shocking. I can’t conceive of myself ever buying a phone or software because of a sign on a stadium, or really a sign of any type.
I can’t conceive of myself ever buying a phone or software because of a sign on a stadium, or really a sign of any type.
Me neither but apparently someone does?
I never read internet ads either but I guess they think they draw customers?
and I have no idea who places ads on this site but I hope they keep spending their money on us :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the whole point. You aren’t supposed to know it’s happening.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
That’s the whole point. You aren’t supposed to know it’s happening.
then how do they expect to make money off of ads that no one looks at? Is this one of those tax write off thingies?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Lacob/Guber:
They provide us with many great things in owners for this team.
Lacob has experience in running a team. A very successful team infact-the Boston Celtics. He understands how functional franchises work. The two together combine for a net worth around 4 billion dollars. That would make them one of the leagues wealthiest owners. Maybe not Ellison rich, but they have the resources to go into the luxury tax if necessary. Lacob is an avid fan, owns season tickets, attends games, and understands our frustrations. They both associate themselves well, and will hire good basketball people (unlike Ellison who was reportedly tied to Funleavy Sr.). Keeping Riley, and hiring a strong president (Rowell, GTFO!) would be a good start. Hiring a good coach would be the next step.
Things are very bright for Warrior Fans.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 15, 2010 8:05 PM PDT reply actions
good post, must agree
here are some facts…
lacob plays pick up ball and is pretty good. (with a friend of mine)
ellison built oracle ruthlessly and has many enemies. he is an enemy to open source and innovation.
cohan is actually a very decent fellow (a friend of mine knows him well), but not known for his acumen. he inherited his fortune.
VCs know how to grow companies. They are managers to the extreme. They don’t play with their own money. They have reputation and skills that money is never hard to acquire. That being said, they often lack vision and rely on only working with people they know or prove themselves. So, I imagine the staff will be top notch.
That being said, they often lack vision
Funny that you should say that about an industry founded on financially supporting visionaries in their early days when their technology and ideas are as of yet unproven. I mean, I’m currently trying to get some VCs attention, and they’re definitely scared since the market dried up… but I’m curious as to why you would say something like that. Care to elaborate?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 15, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
they're bankers
filling buckets, if you will. disruptive technologies take time to establish, and they want to get in only when it’s hockey-sticking. lately, this sand hill road model is tanking b/c the lack of excitement for IPOs. they work for their liquidity event, and their not sure when that is anymore. so the strategy is to be filling a bucket with a start up that matches a successful IPO model today, so they’re bases are covered. they figure, just pick a team that can execute and they’ll call on their friends in high places to win some key deals.
running a basketball team with this philosophy makes perfect sense, and i’m sure lacob will choose a team that can execute on the strategy.
lately, this sand hill road model is tanking b/c the lack of excitement for IPOs. they work for their liquidity event, and their not sure when that is anymore.
But VCs like Kleiner Perkins have always been willing to wait out market swings. They’re making long term investments, understanding that a lot of them will fail.
To say that KP wanted to get in “only when it’s hockey-sticking” when they helped start amazon.com, which didn’t IPO for three years, and didn’t show a profit (and trust me, I have some inside info here, a lot of the VC folks did NOT cash out at the IPO) until 2003.
Kleiner Perkins is pretty much of the opposite, in fact, of “get in when it’s hocky-sticking.”
They're not bankers
They buy outright stakes in the companies in which they invest. Banks, on the other hand, offer loans and require collateral. Of course, they’re looking to have their investment grow in value, who in life isn’t? You don’t invest in visionaries if you’re not looking to make a buck.
disruptive technologies take time to establish, and they want to get in only when it’s hockey-sticking.
If you don’t think it’s Venture Capitalists, then please tell me who’s financing these visionaries with their potentially disruptive technology before they get big?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
never mind, descriptions can baffle...
i can’t believe we’re arguing about this. you asked me to elaborate. i wish i didn’t now… good luck funding your start up.
You probably shouldn't say things in the first place if you're unwilling or unable to defend them
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 16, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
guess you're right
rev randy, should not share with this lame community how my friend plays ball twice a week with the new owner. geez. who needs ya? why should i defend my comments on venture capitalists? what a jerk you are? how pertinent is your comment?
I was just responding to this:
you asked me to elaborate.i wish i didn’t now
It’s less about what was actually said, but the fact that you complained about having to say it.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 20, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
Anyone but Cohan thing is agreed upon by everyone. I dont think ANYONE is pissed at the new owners perse, everyone is just upset that we did not get who we really wanted.
Some people are stunned that a lot of people are feeling the same way I do, and is quick to dismiss such feelings as idiocy just because we are leaning a certain way. What makes you guys think that our feelings are not valid? Just because you guys use big words, can spell and are grammatically correct in an internet blog doesnt mean that you guys are intellectually superior than us who usually on the surface scream obscenities and such.
I wanted Ellison. BAD. Is it wrong to wish for an owner who on the surface seem to be about winning, have am electric persona, and can buy every franchise in the NBA if he wanted to?
So please let us goddamn rant, and tomorrow if we need stats, PERs TS, F Us go ahead and fire away.
Any hopes you had of this were founded on immature, selfish, irrational, and silly dreams that were in no way, shape, or form grounded in anything approaching reality.
And what does this make you? DO you have any tangible evidence that these new owners will run this team the way we all hope it gets run?
You guys are easy to dismiss Ellison’s money, no experience in running an NBA franchise etc. etc., but yet turn a blind eye to the other side.
As I’ve said my sentiments are as valid as yours because at the end of the fucking day we are all guessing here. HOPING.
And yes F U Christopher Cohan.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 9:29 PM PDT reply actions
Is it wrong to wish for an owner who on the surface seem to be about winning, have am electric persona, and can buy every franchise in the NBA if he wanted to?
well despite all that money he din’t even want to buy one team bad enough so don’t waste your tears :>) You can not make ellison what you perceived him to be so why get stressed over him? Ellison has too many distractions in his life to focus on the warriors the way any of us would. The new guys seem to have NBA connections and cred so let’s give’em a chance?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it is an established fact that ellison bid more than the winning bidder
so to me that says that he did want this team bad enough.
I dont think anyone is not going to give these new owners a chance. Its not like we have a choice anyway.
As I’ve said, is it wrong for my ilk to rant a little while longer? Once he hires Phil Jackson or any high profile coach not subjected to the salary cap and pays him 20 million dollars a year to coach, hires an orthopedic surgeon; someone with a medical degree to oversee our training facility and pays that person 30 million and buys draft picks from other teams I will be their biggest cheerleader.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think it is an established fact that ellison bid more than the winning bidder
well, he could have bid more earlier and just blew them out of the water if he really wanted the team. With his money he should have had no problem securing it if he was really interested in the team. 500 million is a very small percentage of his wealth so it’s not like he couldn’t afford it, he apparently just wanted to do other things more. I’m not gonna fell sorry he din’t get it because if I had his money I woulda bid what it takes with no hesitation and woulda done it the first day the team was offered.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally, I suspect Ellison was outbid, didn’t want to pay $450M for the Warriors, but was afraid to lose face and look like he wasn’t the richest most powerful bidder. Thus, when he didn’t have the high bid, he submitted a bid after the fact so he could tell Tim Kawakami that he submitted the highest bid and still appear to be the richest most powerful bad dude of all the bidders.
This was my thought as well after hearing Ellison submitted his bid well after the bidding process had ended. Enjoyed it Dubs Fan.
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the auctioneer himself admitted Ellison had the higher bid.
How about Cohan is just an ahole and wanted a big F U to us fans? Who are we to dismiss this possibility? How about Cohan just wanted to sell this team to his friend? How about Cohan never really wanted to sell to Ellison in the first place just because he doesnt like the guy? Unless any of you guys out there is Cohan himself, this cannot be discounted totally.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, can't be discounted TOTALLY
But if we look at how he ran the warriors, dude is all about the $$$. Plus he owes a lot of back taxes so I doubt he would give up extra money just to screw us over.
Here's a thought
Why would Ellison want to do anything but screw up the buying process? Why submit it after the deadline otherwise? Why do anything other than to save face with people such as yourself who are saying " Ellison was screwed out of buying the Dubs"?
Why would the auctioneer turn down a better offer if his job is to find the best buyer by the deadline set for bids? Larry Ellison could have outbid Lacob when he had the opportunity to do so and did not. Why, as DFIB says, would Cohan turn down a 500 million bid to just stick it to Larry Ellison? Isn’t he a guy who is ruled, first & foremost, by money?
Personally, I think Dubs fans got the best end of this deal. Ellison is a guy who I think would have found out that he can’t just control everything in the NBA and that’s a painful process for owners to learn. I’m not so sure the Dubs would have improved greatly as a result. If an owner doesn’t really understand the process of building a team, or what ultimately is required to be successful in the NBA, than it doesn’t matter how much money an owner has. Paul Allen spends money like crazy and is committed ot building a winner in Portland. How many titles has those Blazer teams won again?
I’m a Kings fan and I have no stake in this. But I know 2 things. I know having Chris Cohan out is a good thing for the NBA and basketball in NorCal overall, and I know having an ownership group who has previous ownership stake (like Clay Bennett did before buying the Sonics—he owned part of the Spurs before buying the Sonics) is a good thing. Once an owner learns how to spend money, hires the right basketball people to run the team, and all that, it’s a very good thing. Championships are won by organizations and having an owner who understands that is the first step. The rest of it is simply luck in the lottery.
I understand the fallout, but the more I read about this the more it seems like Dubs fans have a good deal coming to them if they’re patient with the new ownership group to deal with the multitude of problems that Cohan has left them.
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if ellison was cognizant of the fact that he needed to save face
with “people such as myself” the more I want him to own my sports team.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because Ellison is cognizant of saving face...
….doesn’t ignore the fact that he didn’t submit a bid when he had the opportunity. Just because Ellison spends money doesn’t mean he can in the NBA. That’s what the whole post was about. I’m not going to regurgitate DFIB’s point anymore.
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papers werent signed...he put in the highest bids.
undisputable facts.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but if the bidding period was over.....
….and that’s been mentioned several times, it doesn’t matter whether papers were signed.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
so why would Ellison be a bad owner then?
since it seems you are one of the select few that dislikes him.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it has more to do with liking the new owners based off the small amount of information out there.
I know having an ownership group who has previous ownership stake (like Clay Bennett did before buying the Sonics—he owned part of the Spurs before buying the Sonics) is a good thing. Once an owner learns how to spend money, hires the right basketball people to run the team, and all that, it’s a very good thing. Championships are won by organizations and having an owner who understands that is the first step
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not DISLIKE the new owners
as ive said I will give them a chance….I have to I have no choice. I am a basketball junkie just like anyone else in here.
Ijust would have preferred Larry Ellison, the 6th richest man in the world. Why is that so hard to understand to some.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no it's not. I was just pointing out his post was mainly not pro Ellison because of what the new owners in fact are. It's more based on what we know about the new owners.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep Wally gets it.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yeah but when someone dismisses someone's sentiments
by calling them immature, etc, etc. and with whatever vitriol just because one doesnt agree with his own,and to push whatever agenda or personal hate against someone they dont even know doesnt sit well with me.
WTF do we really know about these people. Really. Just like Ellison, we really dont know. No mention of the fact that one of the owners nearly drove SONY Pictures to the ground?
Anyway at the end of the day we are all warrior fans. When we finally win a championship let me be the 1st one to STFU and sing to the high heavens.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well to be honest I am not a Warriors fan.
I guess I can see both sides though. I guess to me it’s a bit odd to really worry about one unknown but to think the other unknown is superior just because there is more money.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
2.5 billion net worth is plenty to own a NBA team IMO.
28 billion won’t get the Dubs anymore than 2.5 billion will.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's like stockpiling nukes
You only need one
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Excellent analogy.
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I will note that Jerry Buss, owner of the Lakers, has made a shitton of money in a frontrunner city by running the Lakers well.
So money, even though Buss has a lot of that too, is not the only ingredient that makes successful ownership.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well to be honest I am not a Warriors fan.
then why are you hanging around here?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure I have explained it several times while you were in the thread
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure I have explained it several times while you were in the thread
haha, I musta not been impressed with the answer?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Well why are you asking?
Just a general curiousity? Or is it more of a “Hey if you aren’t a true Warriors fan get the heck out” kind of thing?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Well why are you asking? Just a general curiousity? Or is it more of a "Hey if you aren’t a true Warriors fan get the heck out" kind of thing?
just wondering why you spend time talking about something you don’t like? I’d never sign up for golf blog for instance?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Never said I didn't like the Warriors
I am a Kings fan though. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Warriors. My sister, who is a bit older than me, went to Berkeley and I would visit and get bored and watch Warriors games on her couch (still remember the insanely fierce two handed Sprewell dunks). Other than that, the only thing I knew about the Warriors as a kid was playing with Mullin and Hardaway on NBA Jam (yeah I was a big video game dork and didn’t know sports at aIl. That being said, those guys hit every single 3 pointer in that game). I loved Adonyle Foyle because he helped me win some money in my NCAA brackets one year (I saw a school named Colgate and thought “Wow, toothpaste” and actually picked them to win a little in the tournament). When I was older, I went to Santa Clara for college. While there, I would often read about the Warriors in the San Jose Mercury and went to several Warriors game at Oracle. I have a few friends who are big Warriors fans and kind of had a rooting interest ever since around the time they drafted Troy Murphy, Jrich, and Gilbert.
That being said, I grew up on Mitch Richmon-toe-on-the-line-three-pointers, Corliss Willimson, i still remember that Brian Grant actually got his career started in Sacramento and was one of the nicest people on teh planet, and I still talk in hushed and reverent tones about one heck of a season from Saurins Marchalonis (only one year but that guy was epic that season). I watched the whole Webber/Vlade team come together and cheered on the Bench Mob like they were the Beatles.
So yeah not sure if that really explains it but unless the Kings pack their bags to some place out of California, I will always be a Kings fan. But I respect the Warriors, have always enjoyed the Bay Area, and I just sort of always had a soft spot for them.
So, yeah that’s about it.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I also try to make sure people know that I am in fact a Kings fan
simply because it might get really confusing if they see me get excited for something Kings related. I figure it’s best to not confuse anyone.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I also try to make sure people know that I am in fact a Kings fan
You know that you can be a fan of two teams don’t you? Blonds , redheads, brunettes, and raven haired beauties? Variety is good.
I visit in Sac pretty often so the kings are my second fav team and come playoff time I’m usually reduced to rooting for the lakers to uphold Cali’s honor.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well my thing has little to do with honor
and I don’t hear you saying you are a Kings fan. I get what you are trying to say though.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
and I don’t hear you saying you are a Kings fan.
Yep, I was rooting for them to get Cuz if we couldn’t.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ijust would have preferred Larry Ellison, the 6th richest man in the world. Why is that so hard to understand to some.
Simple question:
Why would you have preferred Larry Ellison? Is it just cuz he’s rich or is there something else to it?
PS. The new guys are plenty rich. And has been evidently pointed out, rich owner != winning team.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
anyway....
here’s hoping the Maloofs would secure their arena so they wouldnt move the Kings to Las Vegas or some god forsaken city.
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
here’s hoping the Maloofs would secure their arena so they wouldnt move the Kings to Las Vegas or some god forsaken city.
well oklahoma is taken, maybe omaha?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
you are a sick and evil man Skeptic
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always said I thought the Kings would end up in Seattle rather than Vegas. Hope I'm wrong.
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I hope neither
If the Kings move out of Sacramento, I would seriously consider switching loyalties.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't blame you.
But there is no reason to move the Warriors out of the Bay. That is, unless you’re stupid and hit every branch of the short bus tree while falling out of it.
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Heck no. Don't see it ever happening.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Now the A's............
It’s funny but I don’t mind them moving to Vegas or anywhere else. It’s nearly impossible to get a stadium built in the Bay and Oakland is not a good home for them in terms of fan support inside the stadium. (I’m not talking about A’s fans in general.)
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I was just telling someone today, I haven't been to an A's game in 6 years.
Unacceptable. I am one Bart ride away and need to rectify that.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you lived in Sac.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yeah i guess I should have said one short drive to a Bart station away.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing I miss about Sac
Places to eat breakfast.
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Where did you usually go?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Various spots.
Pancake Circus, Fox & Goose, Willies among others.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
When I drove a cab
I used to eat at Mel’s in Roseville for breakfast cuz it was 24 hours.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Mel's is right off Douglass right?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
It’s right past Eureka or something like that. I just know it’s on the right. It’s been awhile since I’ve been over there.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I can't go to Pancake Circus anymore
My wife had a story from there that grossed me out too much. It’s officially off my list.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't doubt it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I've been going to Dad's off Freeport lately and Cafe Bernardo
Marie Donuts is always solid as an open at weird hours kind of place although yeah just donuts.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Where is Cafe Bernardo?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think there is one in Davis but the one I got to is 14th and R right along the traintracks.
It’s next to that hell hole of a club called Empire (that whole R street loft area where Shaddy Lady is located).
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I used to live down the street from there
I’m never going in to R15 again. That place is a yuppie dump.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If you ever get sucked into the R Street Vortex at night
and are a cheap idiot like me, Shaddy Lady has PBR on tap.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Bleh.
Hopefully that never happens. But I’m not a fan of PBR anyway.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Now I know why the SacTown threads are so long and thin :-)
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 16, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey if you want to create a nice thin thread talking about breakfeast places in the bay area I am totally down with that too.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The short bus has a tree?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
Jurassic Park maybe?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad analogy.
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I know having an ownership group who has previous ownership stake (like Clay Bennett did before buying the Sonics—he owned part of the Spurs before buying the Sonics) is a good thing.
never ever put that sonic jackin scumbag bennet and “good thing” in the same sentence.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 15, 2010 10:42 PM PDT reply actions
Look
The fact is that Bennett has been an excellent owner of a sports team. He just did it in the most gruesome way possible. And I never said I liked Bennett. LOL
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Considering you are in Seattle
I have a feeling you probably are not the biggest fan of Bennett.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I probably can round up a few people here who can testify to their hatred of 'em.
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Rec'd DFiB. Good Stuff.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jul 15, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions
sure
Sure, I agree that the owners will be good. They’re smart and business saavy, and I think largely that having a good team makes good money, so they are driven to build a good team for sure. That combined with the pride of being a fan-owner should be awesome.
But I don’t think you’re necessarily right on the Ellison-deadline point. There’s a lot more than just the headline # that has got to go into an ownership bid like this; for example the structure of payment, and probably hundreds of pages of legal issues. Ellison certainly would know the deadline and have the capacity to meet a deadline – the problem is Sal G. called it a “deadline”, but I believe he also implied that really Ellison just beat Lacob’s bid AFTER it was pretty much signed and delivered. Now, there is no reason to sign and deliver, on Sal G.’s part (he probably gets paid based on the final sale price) without some weird logic. Like probably Cohan just did not want to sell it to Ellison.
I would be 100% embarassing and even shameful if, to save face, Ellison found out that an agreement was signed, and then put in a huge bid – because he would know that the bid is BS.
So cliffnotes, I would still say for some reason Cohan just did not want to sell to Cohan, because it’s a retard business practice to NOT consider all your options, at least, and let someone “miss a deadline”.
plus
to add to that, say Cohan just wanted to take the lower price. Since there woudl of course be huge backlash from him taking a lower headline number (even though the terms of the agreement besides $ number could be a lot better on the Lacob side), there’s only one way to get away with taking the lower number – declare that Ellison missed a deadline.
If these were public companies I’m sure Ellison woudl have multiple lawsuits in place; unfortaunately these are private entities and I’m sure the legal aspects are so tangled and twisted that Ellison will drop it. But the whole “deadline” claim just screams irresponsibility on Cohan’s part, except that Cohan was really the only “shareholder”.
How is it irresponsible?
You honestly think he is trying to stick it to Ellison or something? You think it’s worth millions upon millions to do that?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
unfortunately yes
think about how much conversation went back and forth over the past several months, especially with Ellison as the touted #1 potential buyer. i think easily they could have gotten on each other’s bad sides. that plus a lot of intangible agreements could make for a 20-30 million$ difference i think. i guess i rambled a bit but my core belief is Larry Ellison did not want to overpay. and that mitigates the main argument, which is that he would spend without regard
It's not just the salary cap
There’s plenty that a uber-rich owner can do to affect a team’s competitiveness that has nothing to do with the salary cap. The owner can overpay for a top-flight NBA coach to jump ship, for example. Could Ellison woo away Sam Presti from OKC? How about luring away the Suns’ almost miraculous training staff away from Phoenix (this would have been very useful last year).
Plus, there’s plenty that an owner with cash flow problems can do to damage a franchise, no matter how well meaning the owner. Any Suns fan can attest to that. How many draft picks has Robert Sarver sold off? How many integral players have they let go to save cash? What guarantees do we have that Lacob/Gruber won’t find themselves in the same boat if their financial circumstances change?
This is not to say that Lacob/Guber will be a failure – far from it, what we’re hearing about Lacob is very encouraging, as far as what he wants to do. I think what fans are worried about is what he can afford to do. I agree that opening the checkbook is no guarantee of success; but on the other hand, closing the checkbook is a guarantee of failure. What worries me personally is if new ownership runs the Warriors with more of an eye to the balance sheet than the win/loss record. We knew Ellison would not, we have no such assurance with Lacob/Guber as of yet.
Plus, there’s plenty that an owner with cash flow problems can do to damage a franchise, no matter how well meaning the owner.
Nobody would disagree that this can happen …
… but you can not make a reasonable case that Lacob and Gruber have “cash flow problems.” They are, combined, richer than Mark Cuban.
Are they willing to *spend* like Cuban?
The Warriors are only going to have as much cash as the owners are willing to commit to it. If Guber would rather put his cash in Mandalay Entertainment, it doesn’t matter much.
Why is cash in the equation?
These are the scenarios:
A) Warriors suck and have nobody on the roster worth paying luxury tax for
B) Warriors are good and need to extend somebody and pay luxury tax to keep him
In scenario 1, it doesn’t matter how much money they have, it’s stupid to pay luxury tax.
In scenario 2, keeping a good team together is a financially smart move for the Warriors organization. If the Warriors are a good team, they will bring in more money than the luxury tax will take away.
Note that these factors are all irrespective of the owners’ net worth. In fact, Cuban has got the Mavericks into trouble by virtue of paying through the nose running after fools gold like Eric Dampier, Jason Terry, and old Jason Kidd. Granted, they should have won the championship in 2006.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed, it's worth pointing out that sometimes you can make a "financial decision" -
- such as not using a trade exemption, which saves you money in the short run AND improves your cap position for the future. These moves may look “cheap” but throwing a lot of money at a player for an extra couple of wins, when it involves making long-term commitments and doesn’t put you in championship contention, is a dumb move.
In scenario 1, it doesn’t matter how much money they have, it’s stupid to pay luxury tax.
In scenario 2, keeping a good team together is a financially smart move for the Warriors organization. If the Warriors are a good team, they will bring in more money than the luxury tax will take away.
And I’d argue that for almost all of Cohan’s tenure, they’ve been in scenario 1 and spending more on the roster wouldn’t have done a damn thing but dig a deeper hole. (Spending on a better coach and GM instead of the PJ/Winters/St.Jean types might have helped, especially in the GM dept.)
The only time that there was really a question about the tax was after the 48 win season where a pile of money might have kept Baron which, if he didn’t let himself go like he did when he got to LA, might have kept the team competitive for a while longer. That’s a judgment call there.
I’d argue that for almost all of Cohan’s tenure, they’ve been in scenario 1 and spending more on the roster wouldn’t have done a damn thing but dig a deeper hole
This is the hole that the Knicks found themselves in. I don’t care how many people say the Dubs have a good market in the Bay; there is no way in hell anyone can argue there is a better basketball market than New York.
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Are they willing to spend like Cuban?.
Why assume that Ellison would be willing to spend like Cuban?
You keep moving the target. First it was cash-flow problems, now it’s something more amorphous … for which we don’t have any evidence one way or the other about Ellison, either.
We have the America's Cup
But you’re right, we have no guarantees about Ellison. He may have run the Warriors more like Oracle and less like his sailing team. I’d argue there was more evidence for a successful Ellison tenure than Lacob/Guber.
That said, from the other things I am reading I am cautiously optimistic about Lacob’s ownership. I just don’t think we can dismiss the advantages of megabucks, even taking into account the salary cap.
Well...
…given that they just bought the team at an insane markup, one presumes they’ve got some sort of motivation to be owners.
I would say it's both a good business decision and motivatino.
The Bay is an excellent market if you can win. Hell, the Dubs have had a good market without that.
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Almost forgot to mention
what a “poor” owner would mean for ticket prices, concessions, etc. Will Lacob/Guber be willing to give up on income to keep the arena loud, or would they jack up the prices and turn the arena into a “poor” man’s version of Staples?
Is there any evidence that any owner will ever charge less than the market will bear?
Does Ellison, because he’s absurdly rich, make a habit of running Oracle at a loss?
No
But he would have been the benevolent ruler of the Warriors!!! And because I’m such a great Warriors fan, he would have given me Loge seats at balcony prices! DRAT YOU LACOB!!!!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The America's Cup isn't a business. The NBA is.
There is no way to “make a profit” in the America’s Cup.
In many ways, an NBA team has a lot more in common with Oracle than it does with an America’s Cup team.
Ellison has a choice, Lacob doesn't
He could run it like Oracle, true, but he’s also rich enough to run it like the the America’s Cup if he wanted. Whether he would have wanted to do it is a question, given that he lost the bidding.
All I'm saying...
It would have been great that it would have been Ellison. He’s a huge success. He’s got the kind of mentality that the Warriors need a shrewd businessman that won’t take mediocricay lightly. What have the new owners done? Ok, they made a couple of movies. I’ve never heard of them. I think Cohan didn’t want Ellison to get the team because of his ego.
Ellison has built an empire, what have the new owners done? Does anyone honestly think that Ellison would let this team fail? I think he would have treated the Warriors like his business. Of course there might be difficult decisions to make but he gets it he sees the big picture. These new owners are just status quo guys. If we want owners like everyone else in the league then they are fine, but if we want excellence we don’t have it.
Of course, anyone or anything is better than Cohan, but I would have taken Ellison. This is one more knee to the groin by Cohan. See you in hell buddy.
What have the new owners done? Ok, they made a couple of movies.
And run one of the most successful venture capital firms. And shared in the ownership of the Celtics as they won NBA Championship and an Eastern Conference Championship… but yeah, Ellison’s successful database business is far more integral to operating an NBA organization.
Ellison has built an empire, what have the new owners done?
See above. Just because you haven’t heard of them because they didn’t blare out their interest in the Warriors 10 months ago doesn’t mean they didn’t exist before now and doesn’t mean that their accomplishments are worthless.
if we want excellence we don’t have it.
Do you know this for a fact? Do you know that Ellison would have been “excellence personified?” You’re just spewing conjecture. Stop it. Think rationally, it’ll be better for you in the long run.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you know this for a fact? Do you know that Ellison would have been "excellence personified?" You’re just spewing conjecture. Stop it. Think rationally, it’ll be better for you in the long run.
Are you kidding? Nobody…let me repeat…NOBODY knows what is going to happen in the future is a fact. I disagree with your premise that because someone has experience in the NBA ownership they necessarily have an advantage over someone that doesn’t. The Celtics did win “a” championship in recent history, so what?
Ellison is a person that has achieved worldly success at many levels. This WILL (now would have could have) transfered to NBA ownership. It’s just common sense to make this assertion. If Ellison doesn’t have the expertise to make a decision he gets someone who can. This is something that I can’t say for certain about the new ownership. Like I stated above, Status Quo baby!
To clarify statement made about Celtics: they were minority owners and I’m just questioning how much decision making power they had, that’s all not impugning the importance of winning a championship.
I'd rather have somebody that was in the room watching other people make decisions
Who could learn from the mistakes of others first hand. Over somebody who’s just going to come in with an “I’m the greatest, I know best” attitude with zero actual experience in the field.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Lacob has stated that ...
… he was involved in the discussions about the trades that built the championship team (acquiring Garnett and Allen). Maybe he’s lying, but there’s no reason to think he is.
I disagree with your premise that because someone has experience in the NBA ownership they necessarily have an advantage over someone that doesn’t.
That’s one of the things Jerry Reynolds has said about new owners. That there is a learning curve and that owners with experience owning a team are far better for a basketball team than owners without experience.
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And specifically JR said that about the Maloof's when they took over majority ownership in 99
All my point is that the Maloof’s owning the Rockets in the early 80’s helped them run the Kings better when they bought majority ownership.
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Are you kidding? Nobody…let me repeat…NOBODY knows what is going to happen in the future is a fact.
You’re the one who made a blanket claim that Ellison would be excellence and the new owners wouldn’t. I merely stated that I would put my money on the new guys for X, Y, and Z reasons.
Ellison is a person that has achieved worldly success at many levels.
Just because he’s richer doesn’t mean he’s more successful. Just because he’s richer doesn’t mean he’s been more successful “at many levels.” He’s been successful at ONE thing. Running a database company. Buying the Americas cup championship is not being successful. It’s spending the most money. He and his opponent spent so much money that any and all other competitors had to drop out because they couldn’t afford it.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 16, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You have fallen victim...
Are you kidding? Nobody…let me repeat…NOBODY knows what is going to happen in the future is a fact.
This WILL (now would have could have) transfered to NBA ownership. It’s just common sense to make this assertion.
…to self invalidation.
Ellison is intriguing but look at all the successful, championship winning owners in pro sports. We know their names because of what they did in sports, not what they did in concurring the world like Ellison.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 16, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an excellent point.
With Jerry Buss being the prime example.
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I don't know if this has been posted already--
I apologize if it has. It is from some guy on Real GM, for whatever tjat could be worth. It does the have most personal insight into what preferences and what kind of owner Laocob might be, of anything I’ve read yet.. Some of the highlights:
—Lacob apparently doesn’t like Nelly or Riley, or Rowell particularly Whether he will replace part or all of them over the next few months is another matter.
—He doesn’t take any incompetence and won’t hesitate to fire someone whose not up to snuff.-Some speculation that when the time comes in the future, they would be willing to pay the luxury tax, but that time is a few years away. The first task is to field a competitive team.
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I haven’t posted on this board in a couple years but I used to post a fair amount. I am in a unique position here as I know Joe Lacob and his family personally and I thought I’d come back since the people on this board tend to be the most passionate and knowledgeable fans I’ve found so I thought I’d give you guys some info on the new owner. If you choose to believe I’m just making this up then so be it.
Lacob is a really competitive guy who I think will honestly make a good owner. Not only does he have experience in the workings of a functional team from his time as a Celtics minority owner, but he has been trying to get his hands on the Warriors for a long time. He has been a season ticket holder for 10 years, he goes to a lot of games, he knows the players and he knows basketball very well. He is a very driven and focused guy who doesn’t put up with bull and I expect that there will be some serious inspection of every part of the organization because he probably won’t put up with alot of the crap that goes on inside of it. He’s a bay area guy so forget all those rumors about the team moving, he’s definitely going to keep it here, his family is here and his kids go to school in the bay area.
I don’t really know what other information people would be looking for but I guess I’ll just check back in to see if people have any questions they want answered about him and see what insight I can give.
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1036790
and answering a couple of questions
. Any idea on his take on the front office and coaching staff?
Nothing in terms of specific firings. I actually might end up running into him tonight (I am going somewhere I think he may be going as well) but certainly will try to get more info. My guess is that he is not happy with Riley or Nelson. We went to a game last year together and he did not sound very pleased with Nellie. My guess about Rowell is he’s gone as far as anything except the marketing side of things where he may get a continued look, but I’d be surprised if he remained on board at all to be honest. I think Nelson has a chance to stay one more year if they decide that it’s not worth it to fire him given he only has a year, I’m not sure, just taking guesses based off what I know of Joe.
2. How much money does his group have? Will they be willing to go into the Luxury tax for a winner? Recognizing that your opinion will be biased, i’ll ask anyways… do you think he’ll be more interested in selling tickets or winning games?
They don’t have Ellison money. But who does? That being said, especially based off what the Celtics have been these past few years, his competitiveness as a person, and his pockets combined with Guber’s, I think they are an ownership group that will go into the tax to build a winner, but I think given the current situation of the Warriors’ roster and cap we aren’t really close to being a winner and having to go over the tax to do so in the next year or two, but when the time comes, I’d be shocked to see him shy away from spending to win. As for the last question, I’d be really surprised if he tolerated a losing squad past next year. He’s not one to put up with nonsense and if there’s a bunch of bull going on with the coaching staff, players, or FO, I’d guess he’s going to relieve people of their duties. As has been stated, Joe is a big Warrior fan, he’s competitive, and he overpaid to get the team, I highly doubt he’s going to let this investment go sour on the floor. He’s a HUGE basketball fan, the type that screams at people when he watches games (although now that he’s under public spotlight i don’t know if he’ll be exactly a Mark Cuban at games, I still expect that he’s going to get pretty ticked off with sloppy coaching and play).
by War Years Legacy on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
I’ll just check back in to see if people have any questions they want answered about him
What did he think about giving our mascot to Okla without a fight? Can he create us a new one, maybe call him Alpha?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
of course no one has mentioned that SONY lost 3.2 billion under the leadership of Guber......
and was paid 500 million just to GTFO.
just saying…….
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 16, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions
according to their recent interviews
Lacob will be the lead and make decisions that are hoops-related, Guber, with his experience in media/propaganda/brand creation, will be the marketing wiz. Guber, who attempted to purchase the LA team when he headed Sony Pictures, and has been based in LA during his career in film/tv production and teaching at UCLA, explicitly said Lacob was the big GS fan and conspicuously omitted himself.
So the front they’re presenting for the moment would place Lacob making decisions to improve what’s competing on the court, and Guber coming up with other ways to get the addicts, sponsors, high rollers to buy into the made-over GS ‘brand’.
After the long Cohan tenure, it would appear to many aspiring investors that the fan/addict constituency is so attached that even Cohan’s abuse didn’t milk the cash cow into emaciation nor strangle the golden geese. Guber’s film/tv portfolio is highlighted on mandalay.com, and if that’s representative of his taste, no brow is too low, nor common denominator too common, to discourage him from exploiting in the name of commerce.

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