The Jeremy Lin Movement UPDATED
by Nither on Jul 20, 2010 1:21 AM PDT
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PrintAfter watching Jeremy Lin play in the four summer league games against other players hopeful to earn a roster spot on an NBA team, I full-heartedly believe that Jeremy Lin should be signed by the Warriors as the backup PG to Stephen Curry. He has a very mature, well-rounded game, a high basketball IQ, and an unselfish attitude when it comes to basketball. As pure of a point guard as we will find in the free agent market, Cohan (who I have been led to believe is still owner) would be a fool not to sign this kid. Without CJ Watson (who is signing with the bulls), we now have a lack of true PGs (and don't try to convince me Monta can play the point) and unselfish, mature players like Jeremy Lin are hard to come by.
From a business standpoint (just for Cohan), the Bay Area has a very strong Asian-American community, and this kid has expressed his desire to be a leader and an example for other Asian-Americans. We could expect higher turnout at games, and his jersey would sell prolifically among Asian-American fans. To make it simple for Cohan: BRINGING HIM MEANS MORE MONEY.
As a result, from a basketball standpoint and a business standpoint, Jeremy Lin should be signed by the Golden State Warriors. He has expressed interest in playing for our team, where he would be a 2nd string guard as opposed to, for example, the Mavericks (Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, JJ Barea, Rodrigue Beaubois) or the Lakers (Derek Fisher, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Steve Blake). Not to mention, he is from the Bay Area (attended Palo Alto High School)!
The one knock on him is that he is not nearly strong enough, but if I remember correctly that was one of the biggest knocks on Curry (next to "not being a true point guard," which he proved was completely inaccurate). He has time to grow and get stronger.
So what's stopping us from signing him? We have the trade exception from the Morrow trade and considering we only have 10 players on roster (Curry, Ellis, Wright, Lee, Biedrins, Bell, Gadzuric, Wright, Williams, Udoh) there has to be some money somewhere to sign this kid. He would truly benefit from learning under Curry and Monta, and the front office would be fools not to sign him to at the very least a 1-2 year contract to see what he is truly capable of.
UPDATE: Warriors to sign Jeremy Lin to 2-year deal! http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15562510
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Asians already come to the game.
No need for Jeremy Lin. It’d be nice to have him but its not a necessity.
by saint.dee on Jul 20, 2010 1:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Boo!
That’s the same argument that was used for years to keep them out of commercials. “Asians already buy our products.”
Still lame. Diversity is good.
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- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Diversity is good ...
… but only if he’s the best available basketball player.
I have no opinion on that matter. But “he’s asian” ranks as a very low reason to sign him. It’s a bonus if he happens to make the team, NOT a reason to sign him in the first place.
by Ronaldinho on Jul 20, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wouldn't put it exactly like that
I think there’s a better way of thinking about it than “best available basketball player.” Would he be the 12th best player on the team? Or perhaps, would he be the second or third best PG on the team? And just as importantly, would he be worth his contract?
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Principles of diversity
The principle of diversity in all workplaces is that as a society, we understand over time that the idea of identifying “most qualified” or “best performer” and using that as a hiring decision is inherently flawed, mostly because:
1) It usually contains a substantial helping of subjectivity, and
2) People naturally tend to favor people they have more in common with/can relate to, and
3) A diverse workplace benefits people in ways they don’t particularly anticipate.
So generally what happens is that there is some minimum standard of performance that must be met (performing well in summer league could arguably be such an NBA standard) and after that, diversity is a valid goal and criteria.
I don’t know what you mean by “very low reason to sign him,” but I’m guessing it’s close to “completely ignorable point” which I disagree with.
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by achiappanza on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Overstatement risk
I am not saying that once you play well in the summer league, an Asian guy should be the starting PG on the Celtics over a black guy, but I am saying that for a flyer on a backup point guard on a crappy team, he’s worth being in the mix and it’s worth considering the points that Nither is making.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
1) It usually contains a substantial helping of subjectivity, and
2) People naturally tend to favor people they have more in common with/can relate to, and
3) A diverse workplace benefits people in ways they don’t particularly anticipate.
Well, judging a basketball player can be a pretty objective measure.
I probably have a LOT more in common with Jeremy Lin than I do with most of the players on the Warriors. (Grew up in the bay area. Won a state title in a team sport in high school. Graduated from an elite 4-year college on the east coast).
And the only relevant measure for a player on a basketball team to benefit the team is by contributing to wins.
Again, maybe Lin is the best available backup PG. But I have a hard time seeing him being better than, say, Carlos Aroyo or Jason Williams.
I think there’s definitely some bias at work on the basketball court (after years of having hard working unathletic white players oversold to us, I think a lot of basketball fans have overcorrected and are now biased against white players, for example). But basketball is a pretty good meritocracy and generally, guys who are good enough who can keep their ducks in a row get a shot.
The difference between having a league-average player at backup PG and having an underqualified guy is only around 2-3 wins over the course of a season. (Assuming 12 mintues a game, 82 games, “underqualified” being WP48 below 0.) I’m not willing to give up two wins for the sake of diversity, but I’m certainly open to the idea of him proving he deserves the chance.
I’m not willing to give up two wins for the sake of diversity, but I’m certainly open to the idea of him proving he deserves the chance.
Agreed.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 20, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Good points
I’m not convinced that in basketball measurability = objective ranking. As Einstein said, “Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.” I have more trust in baseball stats, but I admit I have not read the research that claims “Having an underqualified guy is only around 2-3 wins over the course of a season.”
The other point is that as a fan, you are not the hiring decision-maker, so I expect your biases are different (and to a large degree irrelevant to) the hirer.
We can agree on being open to letting him prove himself, but I think what is interesting about diversity discussions in general is that they’re easier to advocate when they’re goals/rules for somebody else. Being a fan of a sports team puts the fan mentally right in the position of the hiring manager and suddenly not at all sympathetic to society’s preference on his business decisions.
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He's not that good!
If he wasn’t a local product and his ethnicity wasn’t asian I highly doubt he’d be this popular. I’d be surprised if he stuck in the NBA for more than 2 years.
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by dubzfan on Jul 20, 2010 1:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I dunno man i had my doubts but summer league proved me wrong, he can hang with the big boys. I thought his D would suck but he held his own against Wall which surprised me. The only thing I’d say is a main weakness is his jumpshot but he would have one heck of a teacher in Curry if he came.
Yeah
When I watched him in HS and found out he declared for Harvard, I thought to myself that he didn’t have any real goals of being in the NBA. I thought he just used basketball to help get a scholarship into Ivy League.
Then he went undrafted in the NBA Draft.
But, seeing him in the Summer League kind of changed my mind about him. Yeah it’s just Summer League, but he’s doing surprisingly well. He just needs to fix his damn turnover problems. He doesn’t get that many assists, either, but it seems like a part of his game that he’ll definitely improve.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 20, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I want him on the team because he's asian and I'm asian.
Yeah, I admit it! haha. Besides, he can play and he can be signed for cheap. I see no harm; It’s not like we’re choosing him over Chris Paul and giving him a 6/50 mill contract.
And congratulations to those people who realized that being a basketball player from Northern California makes you popular in Northern California. Also, congratulations to those people who realized that being one of the only Asians in the NBA will cause a lot of Asians to support you. If you realized both, then wow, I don’t know how I would have figured all of that stuff out myself.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 20, 2010 2:14 AM PDT reply actions
*claps*
It really wouldn’t be a problem if people wouldn’t argue with the other (re: rational) people who say that coveting him isn’t necessary.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Back up asian player really a draw?
I think if this were true they would have found one awhile ago. I really doubt the asian community will come out and watch someone play maybe 8-12 minutes a game just because he is asian. He would have to be a major contributor for this to matter.
Give him a shot
From one video I saw (the John Wall game), I think he looks pretty good. I say maybe let him compete with another (experienced) PG for the backup spot to Curry. Could be another CJ Watson-type player but with maybe better court vision. Wouldn’t hurt, right?
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Nope, sorry but I would not pick him.
And it has absolutely zero to do with his race, which I frankly could not care less about. But down to the simple fact that I believe there are Guards available that are considerably better than Lin that are NBA proven. We have had enough ‘potential’ unproven players on this team for a few years now… lets start to concentrate on the here and now!!!
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He's been proving people wrong for years
Lin took his HS team to win the California Division II State Championship. He was first-team all-state and was Northern California Div-II Player of the Year in his senior year. Basically every sports authority in the state recognized that the kid had major talent. But he got ZERO scholarships to play D-I college ball because they said his game wouldn’t translate well.
Then he went to Harvard and tore it up against UConn, BU, and a Cornell team that we all saw this year in the tourney was pretty damn good. But he didn’t get drafted because NBA teams said his game wouldn’t translate well. Despite Jim Calhoun touting him as a Big East caliber gaurd.
And then he went toe to toe with John Wall and very clearly outplayed him (not unlike how he took it to Jerome Dyson) in summer league. Not to mention he put up some pretty gaudy numbers. I think he was shooting over 50% for the summer last I checked. And people are still saying he’s not good enough to be in the NBA.
Randolph goes off in summer league, and dubs fans are predicting championship three-peats. This kid goes off on the #1 draft pick, and he still gets no love? I don’t get it.
Especially when the alternatives in the free agent market right now are Acie Law or Devean George… I think we might as well take a chance on this kid if we can get him cheap. What Guards out there that we can get on a cheap contract have proven anything? Starbury? Allen Iverson? Tmac?
by blank11 on Jul 20, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sign lin for 800 k for 2 years imo
he’s a harvard grad he’ll make the most of his money. I like his game, he seems very cerebral and pragmatic, much like curry but without the jumper
Goal: 8 seed!
What Guards out there that we can get on a cheap contract have proven anything? Starbury? Allen Iverson? Tmac?
haha, yeah unlike lin they have proven a few things over the years. but like lin they are not what we need right now. A backup point should have lots of NBA experience as a backup point guard so we don’t want another rookie or an older falling star.The lakers understand it and went out and signed Blake? Wanting a player just because he’s Asian is the worst way to build a team, hell if that’s your thinking then why not go find a half dozen mexicans to represent the cali population?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Lakers are interested in bringing on Lin…
yeah, to back up their backup’s backup :>)
they would be a good place for him to learn but we can’t afford the time to train him, we need a backup that’s ready to play NBA ball now.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
yup
They have the luxury of bringing anyone they want to develop. You wouldnt bite on Lin being our backup’s backup? Teams should always be developing cheap young talent, its a good way to build assets and it makes basketball sense too.
The guy is going to be had for a cheap price. Are you saying we can’t afford him? We can’t afford a roster spot? Great teams don’t have starting level players on the entire roster, there’s always 1 or 2 projects.
LoL I guess we already have our share of projects though. Sigh….
You wouldnt bite on Lin being our backup’s backup? Are you saying we can’t afford him?
I ‘d love to have him backup our backup but first we gotta find that experienced backup :>) What I mean by can’t afford is that we don’t have the team strength to be able to throw a rookie point out there and still win games. We are gonna be right on the edge all season long and every minute has to be played like it matters if we want to make the playoffs. Lakers would be great for Lin to get some experience then come up here in a couple of years?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd agree
…that he’s not a perfect solution because it would be a gamble that he ends up panning out. But I’m just not convinced there are better players out there who will (1) willingly accept a backup position, (2) we can get for anywhere near as cheap, and (3) who has potential to become a solid contributor moving into the future instead of just being a stopgap buy Curry a few minutes of rest type player.
Who knows, he could be the next Dragon, tearing apart the Spurs and Lakers in the 4th quarter, haha.
The fact that he’s a hard-nosed, determined individual from the Bay and happens to be Asian American is all just gravy on top. To that last bit, it’s undeniable that he would be a huge fan favorite in a dubs uniform.
Well you mentioned one that I would take in a heartbeat over Lin....
Acie Law… It was a shame we had to lose him and he seemed to really like it here. Seems a great vet that works well with the youngsters and knows our system, so yes I would take him. I would also prefer to have Raja Bell if available…in fact as I mentioned there are many MANY players I would take over Lin, including Marcus Williams, I just dont rate the kid as highly as some.
I also dont hold much stock value in the Summer League as an indication of likely form in the NBA..otherwise Marco Bellinelli should have been an All-Star by now.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 20, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
!
I actually just wished him well for the coming season in the main thread and hope to be proved wrong, but thanks for the veiled dig.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Wanting a player just because he’s Asian is the worst way to build a team,
Best.Strawman.Ever.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 20, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't think many people are saying they want Lin as the primary backup PG.
Not really sure why he is assuming that
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I was about to say that he will be buried in the bench with neglegable minutes but.....
….then again we already have injured fingers,wrists,shoulders and Bean,s brain and its only july….he may be our starting PF by Xmas.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
alright ppl
lets try to get yao ming next. lol
lets try to get yao ming next. lol
he’s just about worn out isn’t he? 10 years ago he’d have been my first pick.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Wanting a player just because he’s Asian is the worst way to build a team,
So you are saying it’s better to want him because he’s asian? I don’t quite get the argument? We are supposed to be building a basketball team and not a community aren’t we?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Wanting a player just because he’s Asian is the worst way to build a team, hell if that’s your thinking then why not go find a half dozen mexicans to represent the cali population?
No, I was making that joke because that sentence makes it seem like your accusing the Warriors front office of building a team based on race, which is kind of an exaggeration, but funny none-the-less.
What I think they are doing, is purchasing the marketing value of one player’s ethnicity for the lowest price possible. In other words, if they sign anyone before the season starts to be the 15th guy on the roster, he won’t make less than Jeremy Lin if his contract is partially guaranteed.
To me, less than $250k and one roster spot is an absolute steal in exchange for all the free publicity and new fans they just bought. I’ve never seen the guy play. Maybe he’s good and his Ivy League numbers will translate. Maybe he’s horrible.
But they’re not “building a basketball team” this way, they’re just probably getting, at worst, the best return on investment in the 15th roster spot in the history of the 15th roster spot. If they start filling the entire roster this way, then I’ll be as pissed as you will be. At this point, my take is: “I see why they’re doing it and I kind don’t care since it’s cheap and they can cut him if need be but it’s making a ton of people really happy so fine”.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 21, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem will be the screaming if they have to cut him or him to the D League ha
Nellie wont play him anyway probably.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 21, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
If he's good, does what he's told and is in the right spots, he'll play.
It’s up to him and his abilities. For now, he’s a PR move.
Derrick Coleman is my power animal.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 21, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Best return on investment in the 15th roster spot would be
If he can stick for a few years on the court and build some minor cred before transitioning into the front office. His real upside is Wally Walker.
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 21, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
To me, less than $250k and one roster spot is an absolute steal in exchange for all the free publicity and new fans they just bought.
well, if I was asian i’d be pissed at the condescension of thinking i’d buy more tickets cause of his race? the race or country of a player is the last thing one should consider.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: well, if I was asian i’d be pissed at the condescension of thinking i’d buy more tickets cause of his race?
He’d be diffusional to think otherwise and stupid not to turn a lifelong social disadvantage into financial gain. Reality cuts both ways, he’s one of the few that is going to be able to benefit substantially from it while being able to “spread his faith” (his main goal apparently).See? Everybody wins. Except haters, but haters never win.
Derrick Coleman is my power animal.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 21, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
and stupid not to turn a lifelong social disadvantage into financial gain.
what’s his lifelong social dis-advantage, bedwetting or spontaneous erections or something? I keep hearing about what he’s overcome but no one has ever said what it was? I mean he’s not short and he’s not fat and he apparently did well in school?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Not everyone is as enlightened as you are
It’s not a provable theorem. If you believe that the dominant race in American society holds Asian males in equal social esteem to white males, there is absolutely no way I can convince you otherwise. Agree to disagree.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 21, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me be really clear about what I'm specifically responding to
well, if I was asian i’d be pissed at the condescension of thinking i’d buy more tickets cause of his race?
I’m responding to the “condensation” remark. I am of the opinion that most white males have a condescending attitude toward Chinese males. There are exceptions. You may disagree entirely and I can’t prove otherwise.
But that’s all I was responding to with my "lifelong social disadvantage ". Why trip on that now? At least he’s getting his.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 21, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I am of the opinion that most white males have a condescending attitude toward Chinese males.
I think you are hanging out with the wrong crowd if you feel that way .
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: I think you are hanging out with the wrong crowd if you feel that way .
You may disagree entirely and I can’t prove otherwise.
Derrick Coleman is my power animal.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 22, 2010 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Nuff Said
You said all that needs to be said
by Oaktownsoul on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll root for Lin wherever he goes
I think because of the multiple offers he’s getting, Lin would garner a bigger contract than Riley is probably willing to put out, and I think cheaper D-leaguers can be had instead.
I’ve long thought he could make it in this league and succeed, and I’m truly happy for him.
It's not just summer league play
if you’re just tuning in now. What he did against Wall is no different than what he did while at Harvard. He’s been at the top statistically in the Ivy league the last 2 years, blocks, assists, steals, rebounds (and turnovers). He’s also played with the SF pro-am, playing in their championship game last summer.
but he played in the Ivy League
not a great conference. It almost sounds like he was the only good player in the whole conference.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 20, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Bring him to GSW.
It’s not that he’s Asian, he’s Asian AMERICAN. He would be the first Asian American be play in the NBA. There’s a big difference between Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin as far as race and culture are involved.
There are a lot of Asian GSW fans and most of them are Asian American, like myself.
I would be proud of GSW to sign him and proud to be Asian American.
Looking beyond his skin, I believe he does have some legitimate skills based on the small sample size that is the LV Summer League. I believe that if he was white or black, I would say the same thing because players who have good fundamentals catch my eye, especially PG’s. Not that I have a good eye for talent, but I can appreciate a properly run pick-n-roll.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 20, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
There’s a big difference between Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin as far asrace andculture are involved.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 20, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a big difference between Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin as far asrace andculture is involved.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He would be the first Asian American be play in the NBA.
I don’t think so.Wasn’t there one around 1950 just before the first black players?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Lin would either be second or third. I don’t remember if anyone else played after 1947.
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I stand corrected!
You’re right! My bad…I should have known this!!!
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 20, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup, I forgot. Okay, so we have the first Asian American that looks Asian in this generation.
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by Doctor Kajita on Jul 20, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the Bay Area
Everything has to be a movement.
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Then I suggest more Prunes in your diet!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 20, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's somewhat of an inside joke on GSoM, I think.
I believe it started with the Yi movement a couple years back.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 20, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This guy is getting
way to much love just because he is local kid. Gary P is from the O baby……. Lets sign him to play back-up for Curry.
Lights please!!
We should not sign him
Why sign him, he wouldn’t get to play too much, there are much better options out there (Matt Steinmetz named a few like Arroyo and JWill who are proven) This reminds me too much of the “Yi Movement” from a few years ago, or the “Rod Benson Movement”. As much as I would love to see Lin, a Bay Area guy, play for his hometown team, his presence won’t improve the Warriors at all.
he wouldn’t get to play too much
unless ur expecting curry to play full games every night, there is definitely room for minutes. we don’t have a back-up PG, and he’d get way more minutes here than any other teams. Oh and by the way, why would arroyo and jwill play in the bay area when they’ve pretty much counted on going to the heat on a minimum contract? there aren’t many guards in free agency who aren’t projects. we mine as well take a young guy and see what happens. if anything we have the hometown advantage and the minutes available advantage over dallas and the lakers.
unless ur expecting curry to play full games every night, there is definitely room for minutes. we don’t have a back-up PG, and he’d get way more minutes here than any other teams.
Well, we should get a backup PG, then.
If he’s not good enough to be a backup PG on most teams, then we should try to find a better backup PG rather than be content with him.
we don’t have a back-up PG, and he’d get way more minutes here than any other teams.
and that’s why we don’t want him. We need an experienced back up not another kid in training? Our primary point guard is set for years so there’s no point in developing another kid to play backup minutes when we can get someone already experienced. Sacto seems to have a point guard problem so maybe Lin can get in over there?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry Skep Lin just slipped in while you were chattin away.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 20, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
But wait a minute ! Wally talked Sac into trading us Cuz and Whiteside for Lin and Udoh!
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 20, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
But Guber doesnt think that is a good marketing move!
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 20, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
well done Sir!
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry Skep Lin just slipped in while you were chattin away.
haha, Cohan or Laycob? Who can we blame for not shutting the door?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
jerome randle
is so much better than lin at all aspects of basketball. Only thing lin has over him is size.
being from cal I'm really rooting for him too
but the little bit that I saw of him on both the magic and wizards teams didn’t look very good. I think his size really hurts his chances.
A bunch of things
1 – Let’s not hear “diversity” arguments. W’s should go after the best players for their needs, regardless of race – and/or marketing potential. Winning sells seats. Period
2 – Lin is either sticking with Dallas or headed for the D-League. If he’s worth being on the W’s right now, he’s not getting away from Dallas. Dallas has first dibs.
3 – W’s need an experienced PG for back up. Curry, while showing great maturity in his first season, still needs some veteran presence and the team needs a vet PG should Curry go down. What the W’s DON’T need is the back up PG to have less experience than Curry.
4 – After saying all of the above, I’d like to see Lin on the W’s, but as a 3rd string option or on the bench as a 13 – 15th man.
I mainly agree with you
1 – I don’t think Lin is the best option to replace CJ. Mills,Law, or Earl Watson would be better
2- Agreed.
3- Exactly, I don’t want someone like Lin where he will be learning. I want someone who can just help young guys
4 – I wouldn’t be mad if he were here but I doubt he does anything
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
I wouldn’t be mad if he were here
the only problem is he’ll take up a space we could use for someone better, local attractiveness is not some thing that matters in the wins and loss dept.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 20, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
4 – After saying all of the above, I’d like to see Lin on the W’s, but as a 3rd string option or on the bench as a 13 – 15th man.
Exactly. When we talk about the Warriors need for a backup PG, we’re talking about the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation.
The 10,11,12 guys on your roster, and your inactive players (13-15) are primarily practice bodies and injury replacements. They’ll get some garbage time minutes and maybe, when somebody’s hurt or you have a bad game from a foul perspective, get in there for 10 minutes a game.
That is simply a different class of player than the guys at the end of the rotation who you expect to see 10-15 minutes a game when everybody is healthy. The difference between a regular rotation guy and one of those end-of-bench types can be as big as the difference between an all-star and a regular-rotation backup.
Going into the season with Jeremy Lin as14th guy? Cool. No problem. Maybe he develops into something.
Jeremy Lin as 8th guy? Major problem.
HINT: GET A FILIPINO FROM THE PBA
You’ll get more “Asian-Americans” fans from the Bay that way….
by John Edward ''Jed'' York on Jul 20, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions
these Taiwanese and Chinese can stick to...
…cheering for badmnton!
by John Edward ''Jed'' York on Jul 20, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
WOOO Badminton
HS badminton ftw.
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no
he needs to bring the girls to the warriors game. forget badminton.
you sir
are either asian or have caught the yellow fever haha. Im sure he will put some more in the stands though, you better bring your swag to the warriors games haha
you got one part right.
I’m chinese btw. lol
most asian chix
dig the whitey
by John Edward ''Jed'' York on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
he needs to bring the girls to the warriors game. forget badminton.
haha, I like Latinas so now we need to sign a Mexican?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
OK your cheap thrills are over...next trade....
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 20, 2010 10:47 PM PDT reply actions
OK your cheap thrills are over...next trade....
haha, yeah a lot of effort on a discussion about a new scrub?
When are we gonna get the real backup point? That’s worth some real discussion.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Im glad
he’s a Warrior. I could give a damn if he’s Asian. Level headed ball player with beautiful passing instincts. Give him 5-8 minutes a game and see what he can do with them.
not great, not horrible.. I could say CJ shoots better than him, but he’s more of a Jasin Kidd type to me. Doesn’t shoot much, he does drive a lot and get’s to the line which is great.
Very good ball handling, I can’t stand pointing out his ethnicity..yes he’s Chinese and that instantly makes him stand out as something potentially overrated.
Now we just need a back-up SF to work with Lin, B.Wright, Reggie, and we are good to go.
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by AlbinoWhale on Jul 21, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
But he's not as big or athletic as Kidd was
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 21, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
A couple of thing I've noticed
He’s got very very quick hands and overall reflexes. He seems to have good court vision. He plays position pretty well, and he’s persistent. Put that kind of defense on a point guard, and said point guard is likely going to get annoyed and lose some efficiency.
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 21, 2010 5:10 PM PDT reply actions
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