Jeremy Lin to sign at 11am PDT with Golden State Warriors and a shoe endorsement deal?
From, of all places, the Harvard Crimson school newspaper, we have this...
Former Harvard co-captain Jeremy Lin will sign with the Golden State Warriors in Oakland, Calif. at 11 a.m. PST following a physical examination on Wednesday, Lin’s agent Roger Montgomery confirmed with The Crimson on Wednesday morning.
But wait, there's more. Shoe deal?
[Lin's agent Roger Montgomery] stated that the Warriors’ proximity to Lin’s hometown has helped land the 21-year-old a number of endorsement opportunities—including a potential shoe deal.
"We’ve had tremendous inquiries," Montgomery said. "Not ready to confirm anything yet…We feel there will be tremendous opportunities."
I'll have more stuff to post later. As you watch this story unfold, please be mindful that, while you may not understand it, an Asian-American receiving any type of NBA contract is obviously a big deal to the Asian-American community.
With all that Jeremy's been through, I hope you can take the time to congratulate this achievement, no matter what you think of his ultimate NBA skills. No matter where you're from, making the NBA is no small task. Getting a D-1 scholarship is no small task. I hope you respect that.
Remember, no one thought C.J. Watson was any good when he was called up, either. Then again, no one thought Patrick O`Bryant was any good when he was drafted, and the doubters got to say they were right. So it's your choice. Shoot down everything in your path with negativity, or try to have an intelligent discussion based on factual evidence, not preconceived assumptions.
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I've heard
he is giong to be made available to the Media around now. Is this being broadcast live anywhere?
Haven't seen anything
I’m sure they’ll have videos and photos up within the next hour or two…
Love Warriors, Hate Cohan! - Sell the team! Save us Mr. Ellison!
by JustSomeName on Jul 21, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Fitz & Brooks
He’s gonna be on their show at 1:30pm.
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Hard not to root for him
It is an important moment for the Asian – American community – especially considering how many of them are NBA fans. He also seems like a great young man who loves the Dubs – what’s not to like?
I hope he is good enough to backup Curry. I also think a combo of Reggie, Monta Bell and Lin can provide enough backup minutes to give Curry time to rest. I disagree with people who think we need another veteran PG. Put our energy towards a better backup center!
The reason to get a vet pg
Is to help develop Curry.
The reason to get a vet pg Is to help develop Curry.
Binky is doing a pretty good job of developing himself, the big reason we need a vet backup is so Binky don’t get worn down during the season and regress. We are too weak to afford giving a rookie backup any minutes, we need every minute played to count if we expect the playoffs. Lin is just a big distraction now that we don’t need.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I do.
I did last year, too, but injuries killed our chances.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
does anyone expect the playoffs honestly?
well if we get our azz in gear and stop worrying about the ethnic marketing attraction to ticket holders and worry about the quality of the team instead why not? Half the teams make the playoffs so being at least average is not that big a goal is it?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With all due respect...
Please don’t undermine his achievement to label him as an overachiever being Asian. I saw his play at summer league and dude can really play. I see him as a ball player and good one at that. Dude plays hard and is very skilled.
I understand that it brings great deal of pride to Asian-American community but he didn’t just land this opportunity because he is of Asian decent. It might be appealing to sign him given the large Asian community in the bay but I think that it has more to do with him being a very talented basketball player.
I enjoyed watching him compete with blood gushing out of his nostrils at summer league and can’t wait to see him in Warriors uniform. My favorite move by the warriors this summer but that’s just my opinion.
He got signed because can ball
The Asian-American thing is just a bonus.
Great signing!
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Uh...
I don’t understand why everything that questions the motive of the Warriors franchise is negativity. The fact of the matter is that the only reason he is getting signed is because he’s Asian. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just what it is. He’s a decent player at best who cleaned up in the Summer League by playing stout defense in games where no one else cared to, and by making the most out of his opportunities on offense. Accept it.
It’s a good signing because he’s going to work his ass off to prove his worth, and that kind of attitude is both infectious and necessary to become a playoff team. It’s not a bad move, it’s just a questionable one at a time in which we don’t have the rest of our (re: more important) players on the bench figured out yet. Am I going to cheer for him? Yeah. Am I wondering why everyone’s making such a big (re: stupid) deal out of this? Yes. Oh, and does he deserve a shoe deal? Hell NO. He’s getting one simply because reebok/and1/nike knows the Asian supporters (re: sheep) will wear a shoe in support of an Asian player.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
by slapchop on Jul 21, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The only way you "deserve" a shoe deal
is if you can sell shoes. Endorsements are based on celebrity, not talent.
Oh, and someone who can “clean up…. by playing stout defense in games where no one else cares to…” sounds like exactly the kind of player we can use on the bench.
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 21, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
The only way you “deserve” a shoe deal is if you can sell shoes.
This is practically sig-worthy. Rec.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 21, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ditto that
He’s getting one simply because reebok/and1/nike knows the Asian supporters (re: sheep) will wear a shoe in support of an Asian player.
And the only way you can get away with this quote not being openly racist is if you claim all endorsed shoes sell only to “sheep.”
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Yeah, because that stout defense is surely going to hold up at the NBA level.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Just because he signed doesn't mean he will make the team.
Just means they want to see him in camp and see what he can do. It’s not a deal that will hurt the dubs either way. He’ll either pan out and help the team, or he wont and he’s gone.
"The fact of the matter is that the only reason he is getting signed is because he’s Asian."
I 100% disagree with you on that one.
"I've got a theory that if you give 100% all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end."
--- Larry Bird
by Army_of_One_Nation(Celtic's Nation) on Jul 21, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm happy to hear that.
Okay. Why’s he getting signed, then? Surely it’s not because he’s the answer at back-up point guard.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Because he is good PR
THANK GOD he is an NBA-level talent. Can you imagine the merchandise this dude is going to move with the Warriors logo on it? This dude is money! Show me another bench guy you can say that about.
Omri Casspi
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 21, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Omri Casspi?
haha, reminds me of this video by one of my favorite singers.
http://chismetime.com/2008/09/i-will-always-love-jew/
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy can play
im sure the PR aspect was discussed before the signing but im not sure it was 100% the reason why he was signed. he is good talent for an undrafted guy and undrafted guys are cheap…us of all teams should understand that because weve gotten more talent out of the D league and undrafted list than i care to remember…and alot of em didnt turn out half bad. another thing is has anyone whos saying hes only signed because he’s asian actually seen him play? not saying hes the greatest but he sure aint trash like alot of NBA players i can name …past and present
KeWzEe
by KewZee on Jul 21, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Low risk, very high reward.
1. It denies two conference playoff teams. It’s at the “minor annoyance”, end of the bench level, but that’s always a good thing.
2. You get a very smart guy who is willing to work hard and overachieves. Like you said, that attitude is infectious and necessary. You get a guy who is worth more to you off the court than on the court. As a rotation player? If he makes the rotation, I’d bet he earns it, but that’s not his role.
3. He’s a hometown hero in Lacob’s hometown. It’s not just the Asian community, folks. Lacob has almost certainly known who he was since his high school days. It’s a statement that the new ownership is putting at least some money where it’s mouth is, and it helps build local cred in a time of uncertainty.
4. We’re getting this for under 1/2 of 1% of our player payroll.
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 21, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wrong...
The fact of the matter is that the only reason he is getting signed is because he’s Asian.
The reason he didn’t get recruited for D1 schools is because he’s asian. The reason he didn’t get drafted is because he was from the Ivy league. Does being asian or from Harvard make him any less of a player? No.
The coach for Steve Nash in high school approached 30 D1 schools. No school except Santa Clara was interested because he was from Canada.
Finding a diamond in the rough, or lighting in a bottle, is one way to surprise and improve a team. Like Nash, Lin has the potential to surprise people. And having him backup Curry is a great way to confirm what many of us who have seen him play already know. He’s a winner.
by bick on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
This,
I 100% agree with!
"I've got a theory that if you give 100% all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end."
--- Larry Bird
by Army_of_One_Nation(Celtic's Nation) on Jul 21, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason he didn’t get recruited for D1 schools is because he’s asian.
That’s pure fiction, they take guys from anywhere if they think they are good enough.
Keep perpetuating the victim story if you want but it’s holding back asian self esteem. Curry wasn’t highly recruited either, you think it’s cause he is black?
If nash didn’t get offers it’s not because he was canadian it’s because they are not familiar with canadian players so they had no good way to rate him, there’s a big difference in the two.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pull your head out
If you don’t think an Asian player has more to prove and takes more crap along the way than a black player in basketball, you don’t get out much.
Or pay much attention to sports history. Few steps of integration have been easy, “color-blind” ones.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
If you don’t think an Asian player has more to prove and takes more crap along the way than a black player in basketball, you don’t get out much.
I get out enough to know it’s all in their mind cause it’s not in my mind? I don’t care what color or race or nationality they are?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Perfect example right there
Even if your self-assessment is correct, how do you figure everyone a person meets thinks like you?
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
how do you figure everyone a person meets thinks like you?
cause we all come from the same mother earth?
negativity is only there if you let it stay.
you think Jeremy Lin was sitting around waiting for an asian to make the NBA and validate his existence? it’s that young man not the race that succeeded here.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You're gonna go with that?
All people come from the same mother earth, therefore they all think the same? You sure you mean that?
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Jul 23, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You contradict yourself.
“The fact of the matter is that the only reason he is getting signed is because he’s Asian. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just what it is. He’s a decent player at best who cleaned up in the Summer League by playing stout defense in games where no one else cared to, and by making the most out of his opportunities on offense. Accept it..”
(1) You contradict yourself by saying he is a decent player
(2) A lot of Summer League players are legit rookies like the John Walls and Evan Turners. In fact, Evan Turner is not doing so well in summer league for a #2 pick.
(3) The other players that comprise the summer league are playing for their jobs, so they better play defense.
Better to wait and see how he holds up against the next level before writing him off. He’s already proven himself at each level of competition up to this point.
by testudo4lunch on Jul 21, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
he's got some talent
no one is saying he’s going to be a superstar but he’s definitely a NBA player.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jul 21, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
Wtf?!
How can Lin get a shoe endorsement, but DJ Mbenga can’t get a taco bell endorsement!
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
There was a video of Mbenga with a taco
Or something like that.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 22, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Bring on YAO!
Next step will be to bring on Yao next year as a free agent. I support the YAO MOVEMENT…
Unfortunately, Yao's foot won't support the movement
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson
by DaymanCometh on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is everything about race? Geze. Anyway, 6’3", above average athleticism, hometown boy… also, he’s Asian. Awesome! Seriously, if he’s outplaying drafted rookies, that rocks. 6’3" is a good height, and we got him despite the Lakers and Mavs trying to bring him over? That’s cool. I’m excited.
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
by Naticus2 on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This Asian agrees
The fact is, he will be a good backup guard. And that’s all that matters at the end of the day.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
FREE POSEY IS FREE
Your post shows why "its about race"
Why is everything about race? Geze. Anyway, 6’3", above average athleticism, hometown boy… also, he’s Asian. Awesome!
At the end there you brought up that he’s Asian. No need for it.
Exactly my point
Why should his race even be noted? We did say African American Wright came to the Warriors or Caucasian Lee.
I understand there are only a few Asian players in the league but if it “is not about race” why even mention it.
Well it's like Obama..
Why is it about race? It isn’t, but Black people should be proud that the president of their country is their race. Why should Jews be proud of Omar Casspi? It’s being proud about your ethnicity and race.
Pride
And the fact that the media never overlooks it. It’s a story in their eyes, every time.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Why be proud of your race? You have some basically irrelevant and minute superficial genetic differences and the difference between you genetically and some random person of another race and some random person of your own race is about the same. It’s not even measurable. Furthermore, your race doesn’t always have the same culture and belief system as you. For example, should Black people be proud of Lennox Louis more than Mike Tyson, because he looks more Black? (Personally, I was a Lennox fan but that’s neither here nor there).
Being proud of one’s race is lame, if you ask me. Valuing your heritage, your family and your cultural traditions is good, in my view, though.
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
everything is ALWAYS about race...
until it’s not. the great paradox!
until people stop yelling ching chong chinaman at him.
yesterday an old lady yelled at me “I seen you in that movie…
Kato!!!” true story.
but I agree, any time we beat out the Mavs or Lakers for anything or anyone is +1 in my book.
I watched the youtube clip… the kid’s made the most of his moments.
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 21, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
yesterday an old lady yelled at me "I seen you in that movie… Kato!!!" true story.
You really lived with OJ?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
haha. the other Kato

she then proceeded to say “You should remake that other movie… Enter the Dragon!”
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 23, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Epithets
Some woman a couple years ago was giving me shit for going up a staircase on the left side. I was going to let it go until she said, “In this country, that’s now how we do things.”
I was forced to tear her a new one.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Some woman a couple years ago was giving me shit for going up a staircase on the left side. I was going to let it go until she said, "In this country, that’s now how we do things." I was forced to tear her a new one.
maybe you should learn the conventions of courtesy before “tearing her a new one”?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not
If there is a staircase convention “in this country” it’s very loose. But a bullshit comment like that has no latitude.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
But a bullshit comment like that has no latitude.
haha, I thought asian culture teaches respect for elders? would your mom be proud of you?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Mom would be impressed I stood up for what was right. Asian culture definitely teaches open-mindedness about elders, but not to assume that they’re always right.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Jul 23, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Who would have thought that there would be so much hype and excitement from signing an undrafted player.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 21, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions
Are you joking?
It seems to be a theme around here:
Kelenna Azubuike
Anthony Morrow
Reggie Williams
I don't think people went wild when we first got those guys.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I partied in the streets when we signed Morrow
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 21, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I'm sure
it was only you.
Most Warriors fan,including me,didn’t get excited about Morrow until his outburst in LA.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
mp3 is available on KNBR, listening right now
I’m putting up a front page fanshot once I get through the interview.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 21, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
With all that Jeremy's been through?
What has he been through? Is he handicapped in some way??
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
He's been trough champaigne showers before.
Also I hear Harvard is an underrated party school, he’s been through that i guess.
I grew up in Cambridge, MA, and I can attest that the food options there are not what they are in the Bay Area. Good, cheap Mexican food in particular is sorely lacking. Imagine having to endure an entire four years of undergrad life without delicious $3 Burritos and all the chips and salsa you can eat? Painful!
Plus, as Atma Bro will attest, people from the Boston Area kinda suck. ;-)
I think it’s totally fair to say that young Jeremy has been to the Gulag and back…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s totally fair to say that young Jeremy has been to the Gulag and back…
Are you serious? Forget growing up in the projects or being homeless, this guy came from Palo Alto and then went to Harvard.
Oh ya, he also had to eat subpar burritos. Tough life.
Actually, the Mexican food in Harvard Square has really improved recently
But most of what Lin has gone through has been professional hardship (ie not getting a D-I scholarship and not getting drafted), not personal. Professionally, though, he has consistently been disrespected, which is too bad. He’s a very good player, and I think he’ll be able to show that with an NBA team; a lot of his perceived negatives came from being the only really good player on Harvard. He won’t have to try to win every game on his own anymore, so he won’t have to force the issue anymore. This can only be good; it’s an adjustment he’s well-prepared to make.
Are you serious?
Er … are you serious?
In the future, what must I do to indicate to readers that I’m trying to be funny? I get tired of ";-) "and “;-P”, and “LOL” isn’t my cup of tea…
Even if you know nothing of my tongue-in-cheek posting tone, wouldn’t it be more reasonable to assume that I don’t actually think Harvard Square is a Gulag?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 21, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Aright my bad
Look at some of the posts in this thread. Some are making it seem like he has gone through so much hardship and that he’s the next Messiah.
After posts like these and the recent “David Lee should think again before coming to the Warriors because of the riots in Oakland last week” you can’t really blame me.
Hey
I grew up in Palo Alto and graduated from Paly… you have to look pretty hard to find good $3 burritos! The actual lack of diversity of entertainment outlets for well-funded college and high schoolers has always amazed me.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
He's been through hella racist taunts
That he’s gotten to this level proves how strong he is. I wish him the very best.
by yobo on Jul 21, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope it's Harput Adidas!
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 21, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Shoe deal?
Haha, What are they gonna do with all those shoes if we cut him before the season starts :>) ?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to wait to see if anyone actually wants his shoes after they see him play a year or two? or is this some get rich quick scheme to replace the mortgage scams?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
seems like a nice guy
……you have to pull for him
by SmittytheCutman on Jul 21, 2010 12:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Watch the dude play...
Just watch the dude play before you judge him. Obviously he was pretty impressive in Summer League playing against drafted NBA players. He’s 6’3", has basketball skills and he’s pretty smart being from Harvard. Give him a chance before you mouth off!
I think the main point of the post
is that it is too soon to tell how good he is or how good he will be.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 21, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Dano went to Harvard
My dad was in the same class year at Harvard as Hawaii 5-0’s Dano (who dropped out to pursue his acting career).
Coincidentally, I have a good friend -with whom I worked for years fishing in Alaska – who just happens to be the son of Magerit’s secretary on the show.
Only McCoven not to get one of his comments rec'd in the Post Game Thread after that Epic win over the Dodgers.
So who made this move?
Who is calling the shots with the Warriors right now? Are moves like this getting vetted by the new ownership team or is it as if nothing has changed for the time being?
Business-wise, it’s a solid move. Basketball wise, well we’ll see. I hope he is good and his spirit is clearly strong, but too often the Dubs shine in summer league and that’s about it.
So it’s your choice. Shoot down everything in your path with negativity, or try to have an intelligent discussion based on factual evidence, not preconceived assumptions.
This sounds needlessly partisan to me, PMC. Being intelligent doesn’t preclude being skeptical/negative — indeed, it generally includes it. I think most people here have been rooting for Lin to succeed, and open to the possibility that he might, even before he became a Warrior. If you caught a l’il good-natured crap the previous times you wrote diaries about him, I would say, speaking for myself, that it was because (a) you compared him with a straight face to Steve Nash (which is quite different from just saying he has shot to stick in the NBA); and (b) you wrote not one but several diaries about him, to the point where it started to feel less like interesting info and more like a propaganda campaign.
Anyway, it’s all good, ‘cos we’re all Lin fans now. Kumbaya…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 21, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Bravo well said sir.
Its a new dawn...its a new day...its a new owner ....for us!!!!! and I'm FEELING GOOD!!!!!!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed...I think the response is overwhelmingly positive
And the negative responses mostly say he’s not that good of a basketball player, which, even if you disagree, isn’t really a crazy opinion.
A few people think his signing was a PR stunt. Considering his press conference was heavily attended, if it is a PR stunt, it’s working. I don’t think that’s even a negative opinion.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 21, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
I’m seeing a lot of negative responses saying that this is a bad choice done only for marketing purposes.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Of course
I wouldn’t hurt if I read your whole post before replying.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
"IT" wouldn't hurt!
Doh!
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
I truly hope the Warriors
provide a good organization and team for Lin to grow and develop from. I’m truly hoping the organization’s long history of dysfunctionality (Nellie being drunk, etc.) won’t get the best of Lin. I was actually more excited about him joining the Lakers or even Dallas.
So you're more about this kid than the warriors?
by WestCoastWarrior on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I support the warriors because I grew up watching them
but I know Cohan sucked and the organization sucked because of him. The new owners will need to clean house and make it more professional.
I am about the kid too—just excited that he battled through a lot of adversity to get to this level. and do want to see him succeed at the next level. playing with a bunch of knuckleheads (Steph Curry and David Lee aside) for a coach who could walk away at any minute doesn’t seem like a great environment. but hopefully all that’s behind us as we got new owners!
This kid has game...
He doesn’t need a disclaimer or his ass kissed, his GAME will do the talking
by Brothaplease09 on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am still not sold on him...
But happy to be proved wrong over time. Granted he has a large Asian fan base and this is cool for them, but I still have question marks over the choice versus other options out there.
But hey, he’s a Warrior now, so let’s see how he does and I wish him well for this season.
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not sold?
No one is saying he’s the next superstar. He has high basketball IQ and pretty good athleticism. He’s definitely not a pure pg but he can backup monta/curry. Watson wanted to be somewhere else and we sent him to Chicago. Lin is going to be his replacement and I don’t think he’ll have a hard time putting up the stats Watson had last year or some where close to that…
I do believe this is both a PR and basketball move.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't played a minute in the NBA
I think it’s absolutely fair to not be sold on someone. He isn’t really good at anything.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 21, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Success
I’m fine with the definition of success being, “The Warriors deem him worthy of keeping on the active NBA roster.”
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
I luv the warriors
but it seems like this site has a huge asian slant. Guess I just never noticed ‘til now. I get that this area has a large asian community, but I’ve never seen this site be more about a nobody D-leaguer than about the actual Warriors team. Whats up with defending this guy so strong and pleading to not be negative? I dont know much about this kid so I just hope he got signed because he is a good fit. And if he’s not I hope it is ok to be “negative” about it without offending anyone.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
people are being negative without knowing anything about him and his game
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Jul 21, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
People are being too positive without knowing
anything about him or his game.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 21, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
its entertainment
where does the d-leaguer label come from? he’s a rookie out of college who the warriors beat out the mav’s and lakers in signing. Summer league and D league talent are two different things
RUN LEEMC
Indeed.
This is first and foremost a basketball move, obviously, and I think it’s a great one. But as a story, it’s pure Hollywood. I’m thinking of it as the first move that is fundamentally Peter Guber in spirit.
by BlueInTheFace on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not a "nobody d leaguer"
he’s a “home town hero makes good” story in about the middle of the second chapter, just after the flashback to his early life and how he’s been underestimated by The Man.
by sellWarriorsNowplzthx on Jul 21, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Underestimated by The Man??
Dude went to Harvard for 4 years. He is The Man.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
In the Real World, yes
but hardly in the sports-entertainment media complex.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
I agree with your ambivalence...
Also, last time I put the words “asian” and “slant” side by side, someone got the wrong idea… just lookin’ out for you!
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 21, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My answer
I think it’s hard to understand what it feels like to be in a minority group with no representation unless you’ve been there. I’ve met a lot of white people over time who think, “I’m not racist, and most people I know aren’t either. What’s wrong with just accepting that we’re all color-blind now and that issues of race are predominantly a thing of the past?”
This POV is just incredibly naive. And if anyone with it wants to understand what it’s like to be under-represented a whole lot better, they’ll have to try a lot harder.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Give the kid a break
Lin is a rookie combo guard. Most rookies struggle with point guard duties. Give him some time. Kid has some talent and plays hard. He should do fine as the 9th or 10th player off the bench this year. It won’t be until year 2 until we learn if he is going to be anything. But I would rather have a guy like Lin who wants to be here, will work hard, and has a great attitude than a guy like Watson, who I really liked, who had negative feelings towards management.
I would rather have a guy like Lin who wants to be here, will work hard, and has a great attitude than a guy like Watson, who I really liked, who had negative feelings towards management.
CJ has great attitude, management is the problem, not CJ.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
We always beat the mavs one way or another!
We all had doubts about him, its natural that we still do. To most, he seemed to be purely average with an abundance of hype from his fanbase. But watch his matchup with John Wall. Lin stuck to Wall like glue on D, and executed his drives on O with ease. I hope he keeps proving us wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whVEiYap1F4
Looks like the Warriors want Lin as a backup pg
gswscribe: Jeremy Lin said he was told by Warriors he would be competing for minutes behind Curry
Is it too late to start the...
Trade Monta, Shift Steph to the 2, Start Lin at PG and trade Beans for Dwight Howard Campaign?
There are two aspects to this signing.
1) This is a huge plus for the AA community and PMC is not afraid to endorse it. He seems to need to defend this.
2) Jeremy Lin may or may be a good signing for the Warriors.
The two aspects merge when we start to argue that he was signed simply because he’s good PR material.
It is what it is. The only thing left to determine is if Lin can be productive or not. I don’t think anyone is saying Lin is going to be a world beater. On the contrary, he’s a backup PG who has a fairly minimal contract that is 3/4 guaranteed for one year. I don’t think anyone is hyping him up other than “he may surprise people.”
The only hype is around the fact that he’s the first Asian American in this generation to play in the NBA. There’s no harm in that.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami
So now the AA community has a player they can support?
Am I the only one that has a slight issue with this? As I have said before I could not care less what his skin colour is, I want to know if he is the most capable backup PG we could get? If he is ….great.
But…. this continued push for a particular community to support one player just seems rather wrong to me. Just as I would find it wrong for the White community to support mainly Biedrins Vlad and Lee or the Black community the rest of the team…
Granted some see this as some form of great achievement on behalf of a community, however I would suspect young Mr Lin would rather simply be supported by ALL, because he is a good basketball player.
There is no doubt in my mind at all, that this is the first play of a very astute group of new owners to tap into a strong market in the Bay, and I hope the kid proves to have the game many are saying he has, but I think this borderline euphoria that an Asian American is now playing in the NBA is fine….to a point and I hope as others have mentioned, that GSOM does not become the unofficial J-Lin fanclub, when in fact all our players deserve equal support, by ALL!!
But that’s just my ‘post Empire….been there, conquered the world…learnt a lot of lessons and bought the T-shirt, idealistic view of the world now….’ type of mentality of respect for all and division of none!! :-)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 21, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I understand what you're saying
But I think it’s natural that a player ends up representing a community (or even country). It gives that community or country a connection of interest that otherwise would not exist. Real basketball fans are already connected to the NBA because it’s their sport. But for others, they need some sort of connection elsewhere to be interested.
While the “white” community isn’t supporting Andris Biedrins, I think it’s a safe guess to say that the “Latvian” community (and even country) supports Andris Biedrins because he’s Latvian. And that’s how the Latvian community or country is connected to the NBA. Likewise, Jeremy Lin being Asian (specifically, Taiwanese) gives the Asian community a connection to the NBA that otherwise would not exist.
The problem occurs when the Asian community starts to think that Lin is a good player “just because” he’s the first Asian American to make the NBA from around here, and that they think he “deserves” to get minutes and be on the floor. They don’t understand that in order to be on the floor, Lin needs to be able to shoot, pass, defend, execute plays, make in-game basketball decisions, etc. The real basketball fans do understand this, but those who are just Lin supporters won’t understand this.
I suppose that ends up being true about any fan. You and I have both complained about Anthony Randolph’s lack of thinking, decision making, and maturity last season. but AR fans didn’t listen or didn’t care. They kept making noise that AR deserves to play, and that it was all Don Nelson’s fault that AR gets benched. I think the same thing will happen with Lin. If Lin fails to meet the needs of Don Nelson, the Lin supporters will make the same kind of noise and demand that he play.
The problem is that the GSoM community is more Asian oriented, so the Lin supporters will be very VERY loud. It’s going to be a lot more work for those who are more level headed around here to make their unbiased opinions and observations heard.
by IQofaWarrior on Jul 21, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed sir...fully agree 100%
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 21, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
On a tangent, I agree that it's dangerous when a community backs a player unequivocally...
Maybe he shoulda signed with the Mavs… last time the “local boy makes good” landed in his home town, destiny set that guy up for a whole lot of hurt feelings. Now Jeremy can never leave! You can come home, a la Barry Bonds… but you can never leave home. A gift and a curse! Next thing you know, Jeremy’s going to have a 1 hour special on CSN Bay Area and announce “I’m taking my talents to Southern California”…
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 21, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
the GSoM community is more Asian oriented?
Which is very weird if they have been truly needing an asian player to fell connected to basketball? What have they been doing all these years if not enjoying the game? The whole scenario is not very logical to me. Am I a fan or am I just hanging out until someone of my specific heritage shows up? do I now suddenly feel like my love of the game has changed? Why was I even interested interested in basketball before this 3rd string guard showed up? How can a minor player in a diversionary game validate a whole people, isn’t that a bit mis-placed?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 21, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
what race are you? you aren’t asian so you don’t understand. you see guys of your race playing professional bball everyday. seeing an asian guy make it is something rare. its 1 in 10 million. we are obviously happy for him, and i hope he continues to prove everybody wrong.
what race are you? you aren’t asian so you don’t understand
Haha, You gotta be asian to understand? How does the rest of the world survive then? I do like zen so maybe i’m a little asian?
What’s wrong with just being of the human race ? we don’t really know what we are other than what our parents have told us? Who would you think you are if you didn’t already know? Be that person.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
no doubt...
Lin has NBA caliber skills …the plus side is he gets to play in his hometown after working his a$$ off to get a scholarship and eventually an NBA contract…there is no way i can have doubts about this guy because im sure he had enough doubts on this journey to the NBA. Just these factors alone (leaving alone the money etc) will serve as incredible motivation for this guy who showed us in the summer league he can play. he would be an instant hometown fav for the asian community as well as Warrior fans in general. Im happy for the man
KeWzEe
Everyone should be happy for the guy. He’s worked his a$$ off to get where he is right now and he should be respected for it. This is the kind of stuff movies are made of, but it’s real life for this kid and I commend him for it.
This kid was apparently a star in high school but everyone knows that you’re not going to get much attention from D1 schools being Asian. You don’t get into Harvard on scholarship without working your butt off on top of being smart and those are some good qualities for a player to have on our team. It’s good to have a roster filled with big names with guys that have been well renowned throughout their high-school and college careers but it’s also refreshing to get someone who has been an underdog all their lives and actually make it because they play like they have something to prove (same goes for guys like C.J., Buike, Reggie, and Morrow).
No one is expecting Lin to be the savior of the Warriors and play 40 minutes a game but why hate on a guy that we can get for extremely cheap, is a hometown hero, has a great story, and will work his butt off to keep proving himself? Plus, the kid’s got game. I see no down side.
by Throw up the Dub on Jul 21, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think anyone is 'hating' on the guy...
But some have the right to question if this is the best ‘basketball’ move for this club, right now, in terms of a roster spot. If people cannot raise this question for fear of being castigated as a ‘hater’ then we have indeed sunk to a pretty pathetic low.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 21, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you should think of Lin as our 2nd rd pick
the one Riley gave away in the Maggette trade, instead of as an offseason signing. I really think he was overlooked in the draft because of his ethnicity, just like he was overlooked by D1 schools. His stats and his overall play at Harvard hold up just as well as any other player that was drafted. And he’s ended up doing well against them, including 15th pick Larry Sanders (at 0:26 mark):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KidZUPU79r0
But I agree with you in the sense that he still needs to prove that he belongs in the league.
I thought the white guys took em all already?
Bring in Erik Spoelstra and Kevin Pritchard!
by Badly Browned on Jul 21, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
that's like saying all white women like black people
ala Heidi Klum…
overgeneralization dont ya think?
by scoutnodoubt on Jul 21, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly I need to make more use of the ":P" and ";-)" smileys
Bring in Erik Spoelstra and Kevin Pritchard!
by Badly Browned on Jul 21, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
well, that's why us white men moved on to asian woman
heh
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 21, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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I watch him play and I honestly don’t see how he wasn’t drafted. I honestly think Udoh was a horrible pick. Jeremy Lin wasn’t drafted but he has potential and his performances is an eye catcher. 10/30 players drafted are BUSTS so I feel bad for the Warriors 1st round pick but hopefully they sign Jeremy and make good use of him. Plus .. when you are able to dunk in a game.. It means something. Support 454 Life Entertainment – Good Music.
by Michael K. Luong on Jul 21, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions
Dude has skills
Quick hands and feet. Good range on his J and he can finish at the rim in traffic. He was dunkin on Mfkrs at Harvard. He impresses me.
Still don't get the hype
Lin was passed on 60 times and undrafted. He did good in summer league? Yes, but when a players name is not Jeremy Lin and plays against Summer/D-Leaguers the game gets brushed off as having a good game against “scrubs”.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
it's all that John Wall video...
flawless.
I love the way they stretch the break away dunk into like 30 seconds of fun!!
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 21, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair to Wall
Lin is 3(2?) years older than him. That’s pretty significant.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 21, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wall's still supposed to be the better athlete.
He was drafted #1 for what he can do now.
I don’t believe you have to be fair to #1 picks, they should be ready to play now.
Lin’s an undrafted. It’s not so much a knock on Wall (he “bounced back” with 31 his final summer league game), but a testament to the fact that Lin can have a good game against top notch talent. I was noting the significance of his performance vs this:
Yes, but when a players name is not Jeremy Lin and plays against Summer/D-Leaguers the game gets brushed off as having a good game against "scrubs".
I wouldn’t call John Wall a “scrub” by any means.
This doesn’t indicate the next coming of Steve Nash, or even Babyfaced Steph Curry,
but I think people can be allowed to get a little excited about.
"If you online, check the site and FAQ Is he ill? (Yes) Do he really fit the bill? (Yes) Spit to kill? (Yes) Keep the game real? (Yes) Know the drill? (Yes) The-Ledge-Edge, still? (Yes) Can he catch wreck at will? (Yes)"
by Baron Von DOOM on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Great signing
and PR move for parafernalia and ticket sales.
Plus, he is damn smart too with skillz!!!!!!!
please
its nice dude got a team an everything but harvard wasnt in the 16 so he aint that good. but i hope he develops, warriors prolly make the playoffs in a few yrs with all the young players
remember, no one thought C.J. Watson was any good when he was called up, either.
All I remember is that when he was called up he was averaging 25+ppg from the D-League and had two year of professional basketball in Europe and not 9ppg in summer league.
by BTT on Jul 21, 2010 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why the love for Jeremy Lin?
To answer this question, one needs to look at Yao Ming. Does anyone remember back before Yao played in the NBA, the Chinese National Basketball team took on the USA National team at Oracle? Remember how Oracle was sold out with the majority of fans being Chinese / Chinese-American? If you weren’t Asian/Chinese, then you probably don’t remember this. It would help for people to understand that China is very proud country and treat their most famous stars (athletic or otherwise) as national heroes.
Given the big Chinese/Asian presence in the Bay Area, this has naturally carried over. If Yi Jianlian, Sun Yue, Wang Zhi-Zhi or Bateer were more than bench players, they would likely draw attention like Yao as well.
How this does apply to Jeremy Lin? Well, I think non-Asian folks don’t appreciate that Asians/Asian Americans don’t have a lot of role models to look up to in many arenas, namely entertainment or athletics. How many famous Asian singers, bands or actors can you name off the top of your head? BRUCE LEE does not count! So why is it a big deal when John Cho gets a lead role in Harold and Kumar or Star Trek? It’s because Asians are invisible in that arena.
How about famous Asian-American (that weren’t born in Asia) athletes can you name? Yao, Yi or Ichiro doesn’t quite count. Jeremy Lin is Asian by blood but just a normal American kid. However, most non-Asian folks don’t distinguish the difference and that is why Asian-Americans support him.
We finally have a regular kid who is in the spotlight that can UNDERSTAND and RELATE to the issues than American born Asians face in their day to day lives. The stereotypes (studious nerds who aren’t athletic or have social lives) and the racist taunts (Go back to China!, Chink). These are things that a Yao or Yi would not understand. Things that get said to Asians would NEVER be said to another minority group (namely African Americans).
So, if folks don’t understand why we support Jeremy Lin, I’ve given you a few of the reasons why. Jeremy himself has stated that he doesn’t like dealing with the taunts and plays through it. However, the fact that Jeremy knows these perceptions exists means that he also realizes that every positive thing he does on the court is shattering many stereotypes or perceptions that people may have. I believe that drives him to succeed. I don’t know where Jeremy’s ceiling is but I have no doubt he will maximize whatever God given talent he has and that’s all we can ask. He will have Asian-Americans supporting him all the way as well.
DCL
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by coach41 on Jul 21, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
if Asian-americans are concerned with the lack of 'role models'
in those ‘arenas’ of entertainment and athletics, they need to consider finding role models in professions that possibly do more toward creating a healthier, saner, more compassionate world. There aren’t sufficient role models for Asian-americans in academia, medicine, science, engineering, social work , literature, music? Consider the wonders a good writer, or an accomplished musician can do in opening the mind and consciousness or in uplifting the spirit, and reflect on all the Asian-american authors and musical artists—do you really miss having jocks and talking mannequins?
The size of the Asian-american minority in the whole of the U.S. population (California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii are obviously in their own category, as part of the Pacific cultural sphere) is relatively small, so why should you expect mass media that caters to a national audience to be particularly concerned with putting many Asian-american faces up there? There are in fact more such faces in commercials, small supporting parts in tv/film usw.,than there ever has been.
Not very long ago, Asian-american actresses would be typecast into certain character types, and the actors into an even more narrow range (gangsters and shopkeepers were popular). That still goes on of course, but to a much lesser degree. My uncle was one of the first Asians in post WWII studio films—what choice of roles do you suspect he had in the ‘50s? In his time, if the script had Asian characters with speaking roles, they were generally given to non-Asian actors, most visibly in the Charlie Chan series (though one of Chan’s sons was memorably portrayed by one of my uncle’s Chinese-american colleagues). Asian film makers, who ultimately have a great deal of influence in giving work to Asian players, have more of their works produced now than ever—and you should look over the credits of major films to understand how many Asians are employed behind the cameras, which is another big change in the industry over the past thirty years.
Many Asian-americans are blessed in the professional training and careers they can choose from—has that spoiled them to the extent they need to bemoan their relatively restricted opportunities in professional team sports?
wow this is completely wrong. Suggesting that asians stick to ‘academia, medicine, science, engingeering’ etc because there isn’t room in entertainment and athletics perpetuates the model minority stereotype and shows a lack of understanding of the minority. entertainment and athletics have as much worth to society as other fields. the fact that some asians, choose to follow what other normal human beings do, and go against the stereotypes, and choose to pursue professions in entertainment and athletics is unreasonable to you?
I don’t think any asian demands that mass media concern themselves with propping up asian americans. However, there are real barriers in place that hinder the opportunities for asians in media and we are justified in being are concerned about this. Take the whitewashing of the airbender movie as an example. Hollywood gives very little credit to the viewer. They still believe that racism will prevail and movies with asian leads will fail. you tell me. is the national audience still racist against asians? perhaps.
which leads to the importance of asian role-models in entertainment and athletics.
Successful asian american role-models shows that the national audience is evolving and becoming more accepting than anyone realized. This is important to asians because it shows that becoming an athlete or actor is within reach. More important, having asians succeed in these areas force whites to check their personal bias and their racist concepts of what each race should do or not do. this is why jeremy lin is important. you either accept change or you stay racist.
no offense intended
but is English your first language? Not asking that to taunt or belittle you, but your response reflects an incomplete and superficial understanding of what I wrote. Neither did I say Asians/asian-americans should stick to prescribed occupations, nor did I write there’s no room in entertainment/pro sports. Rather, the relative abundance of role models in those other professions makes their scarcity in entertainment/sports much less onerous, to me.
It’s no surprise that mass/popular entertainment products, of which ‘airbender’ apparently is one (not really interested in seeing it), take a superficial view. That’s why I suggested the other professions could offer more positive possibilities .
Sorry it wasn’t clear from what I wrote that a family member had a small part in film history, and that I’ve paid attention to who’s making, producing, and appearing in films and t.v. since the 1950s. Impatience on the part of the present generation is understandable, but conditions/opportunities have improved tremendously in the past twenty to thirty years. Just to name one very influential t.v. series with prominent roles featuring Asian-americans—Star Trek in its various incarnations. Just as significant, casting directors have little reluctance to put Asian-americans in commercials, representing the everyday mainstream consumer/homeowner/driver. The nature of the popular entertainment/propaganda complex in which pro sports is embedded doesn’t really discriminate when it comes to exploitation—Lin got a job both for his skills and marketability.
Yes english is my first language and did I infer too much from your post? Perhaps I should have stuck to quoting you instead of putting words in your mouth, for that I apologize. It’s clear however, that the op felt you did the exact same thing in your response, so my advice to you is to at the very least save your insult, and perhaps see if you are being hypocritical.
I think you and I are on the same page for the most part. You mention the progress that has been made in media, to which I agree. I primarily take issue with your suggestion that wanting role models in sports and entertainment as possibly ‘spoiled’. To get back to your point, you state that ‘mass/popular entertainment products’ take a ‘superficial view’, and hence suggest that ‘other professions could offer more positive possibilities.’ Fine, that’s great. Its been done for generations, look at productive Asian parents and you have the classic role-model for Asian kids. My point is that just because its easy to find role models in ‘engineering, academia, medicine…’ and its easy to follow these examples, doesn’t mean Asians should be satisfied and nor does it show that their desire to see Asians in media and sports is ‘spoiled’.
‘Impatient’? Yes, you are likely right. The process of change is fueled by it. Impatience leads to activism which facilitates, if not accelerates, progress.
But I don’t think it is ‘spoiled’ to want role models in sports or entertainment. Rather, it is this desire that spurs progress. Let me elaborate. If new generations of Asian parents love sports and entertainment and dream to see an Asian succeeding in these fields, their kids would be influenced to some extent to explore these areas. And every once in a while, some guy, like Jeremy Lin, actually succeeds. The fact that he succeeded may open the door for others. That is definitely a reason why Asians are so happy for him.
role models aren't created equal
the exemplars we need, regardless of skin tone, should be showing us the way to live more compassionately, less wastefully, or have we so quickly forgotten what Manute Bol taught us? By virtue of his extraordinary success, Asian-american/" multi-racial" T.Woods was made into a role model, and as it turned out, he’s become an accurate one as far as preserving an Asian tradition of patriarchy and dehumanizing women. The old world keeps the tradition alive in the female infanticide and selective gender abortion practiced in China and India.
We can all agree that equal opportunity is a worthy ideal, but seeing more Asian-featured faces on the telly or movie screen would be a mere p.c. or cosmetic redecoration if the characters they portray are the shallow commercial vessels that are typical to the mass media in this country. Commerce and marketing dominate what gets produced for amerikan tv/film. If our government underwrote PBS productions the way other advanced industrial countries subsidize their public stations, we’d probably see more programs scripted, directed, and enacted by Asian americans, but this will never happen as long as we’re obsessed with sustaining an overwhelming military complex—the cost of the war in Iraq alone is climbing toward two trillion dollars. Have you ever watched the Canadian show “Da Vinci’s Inquest”? It makes the very popular “CSI” look soul less and mechanical, and the series gave work to quite a few Asian and Asian-american players and production staff.
If Asian-americans want to see more of themselves in tv or film and conveying content truly worthy of emulation, pursuing acting isn’t the best way, but rather writing, editing, directing, producing. They would have tremendous role models like Akira Kurosawa, Kon Ichikawa, Zhang Yi-mou, Chen Kai-ge, Satyajit Ray, and Deepa Mehta, and in the actors/actresses in their films.
If Asian-americans want to see more of themselves in tv or film and conveying content truly worthy of emulation, pursuing acting isn’t the best way, but rather writing, editing, directing, producing.
- I am sure if you look up the dictionary for the meaning of “stereotype”, your comment was in the example section…. this is where I said, “YOU STILL DON’T GET IT!!!!!!” and replies to your replies aren’t going to achive that.
and yes, English is not my native lanaguage, and I am an AA.
Just wondering, which field you think you should be in if you can be a role model? (“writer” ain’t it, try again please…)
don't bully me, i am from the D(etroit)!!!
Asian Americans are right at the precipice of coming to terms with this
And doing something about it: www.gostudiorama.com.
"It is like Menudo, where guys reach a certain age and are kicked out of the band. And they go on to be Ricky Martins somewhere else." -Billy Beane
by WhiteElephantGuy on Jul 22, 2010 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Monk: I think you misunderstand.......
Monk,
You sound reasonable but you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that we are BEMOANING our restricted opportunities in professional team sports. I simply said that there are not many Asian-American role models in athletics. Having Jeremy Lin in the NBA shows generations of kids that if they work hard, they might be able to make it too.
Your note that Asian-Americans have opportunities in other professional training has spoiled us? How so? It’s not like opportunities are just given to Asian-Americans. Asian-Americans are often noted as the “Model Minority”. We’re the example of a minority that doesn’t “need affirmative action” like other minorities. Why? Because Asian-Americans are supposedly smarter and work harder. That may be true in some cases but not in others. Many Asian-Americans resent this model minority myth as it puts us in conflict with other minorities who feel they are looked down upon.
Taking this Jeremy Lin discussion a little further, one thing needs to be pointed out. Older generations of Asian parents focused their kids solely on academics and not on athletics. You can point out that Kristi Yamaguchi and Michael Chang did their sports but I feel those were the exceptions. I’ve coached enough youth basketball to know that athletics were looked upon as a “fun activity” by many Asian parents.
I feel Jeremy Lin embodies the best of the “old” and the “new” generation. Jeremy was a smart student in high school (4.2 GPA, went to Harvard). He was also a good basketball player who had a solid high school and college career. Whether he can last in the NBA will be debated as time goes on.
However, the fact is, teams were willing to look at him and he has a contract now.
To me Jeremy Lin not only will inspire the many young Asian-American basketball players out here in the Bay Area (and other metro areas) with his skill, but the fact that he also completed his education will show PARENTS that it may be ok to let kids pursue athletics (or other things) as a profession rather than falling back to the traditional occupations.
What I say about Jeremy Lin goes for John Cho, Rich Cho (new GM of the Blazers) and other Asian “celebrities” out there. They are trying to make this a better world because this world should be open to everyone to do what they want to do.
I may get slammed for this but what happened when Barack became president? Didn’t the African-American community embrace him and said that signaled a change in how the US viewed African-Americans? Why is that different if we want to embrace Jeremy Lin?
Lastly, yes there will be a great swelling of support from the Asian community for Jeremy. But if you go to his Facebook page, he’s got well wishers from Paly, the East Coast and beyond. Asians, Whites, African-Americans and others are all supporting him as well. To the Paly people, he’s a local kid. To the East Coast / Harvard / Ivy League, he’s a representative of how good an Ivy League can be. To Asians, he’s everything I just talked about. He means a lot to different people and that should not be underestimated.
DCL
http://www.behindthewhistle.com
by coach41 on Jul 22, 2010 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the absurdity
to compare Obama’s election to Lin’s hiring, either in creating a role model or in giving confirmation and vindication for a minority group, speaks for itself and you admit as much with ‘may get slammed for this.’ No offense, nor slam intended, but hyperbole isn’t necessary to make your point. Setting aside the absolute singularity of Obama’s job, you surely understand that the minority group you refer to, African-americans, should not be uncritically compared to Asian-americans: of course, they both share the plight of all tribal/ethnic sub-cultures who are perceived as ‘different’—they get stereotyped, encounter rejection, taunts, epithets, and legal sanctions, but the historical differences are significant. You might resent the ‘model minority’ myth, but would you prefer having your tribe (in recent and current history) profiled by law enforcement as a criminal class? Or, ironically, having your vocational opportunities constricted, and consigned by necessity to manual and service occupations, or providing paid entertainment in the performing arts and spectator sports?
Thank you for clarifying by explaining your hope that parents will show more tolerance and acceptance for an expanded range of their children’s aspirations. “if you really, really want to become a pawn in the mass/popular culture entertainment+propaganda matrix, of course you have our blessing.”
To me Jeremy Lin not only will inspire the many young Asian-American basketball players out here in the Bay Area (and other metro areas) with his skill, but the fact that he also completed his education will show PARENTS that it may be ok to let kids purs
The only problem is the parents had it right all these years, very, very few kids of any race are gonna make a living at a pro sport. Dreaming is good but preparing for the reality is better.
Am I happy that Lin has made it? Of course. Do I think it really matters? No. The reality is basketball is a tall mans sport and most asian kids are gonna be dis-appointed if they only want to be a pro basketballer. If a kid has the size and the desire there’s no reason he can’t make it but I hope he listens to those great parents and gets his education first?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah we're lacking guards/small forwards right now but...
…we seriously could have gotten a better, cheaper player than Lin in the d-league. Marketing wise probably a good decision considering the fact that asians make up a huge part of the Warriors fan base.
Honestly though we need to focus on getting better players then Lin. They’re out there. Back up guards are a need right now. I was hoping we could go for T-Mac or Josh Howard but I doubt that.
I wanted to trash talk Jeremy Lin but looks like everyone else beat me to it.
we seriously could have gotten a better, cheaper player than Lin in the d-league
Don’t know if that is true or not till he plays but we certainly need a better experienced back up guard and need to spend a few buck to get one. Lin’s contract is pretty much a non issue in the grand scheme of things unless they try to make him into a rookie savior.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ill be quite honest with you
I can’t wait to get his regular and hardwoods classic jersey
This might be a flop
who knows how good he will do. it could turn out to be a solid sign or a stupid one. does anybody know how much he was given under this contract??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2I89FzHNJA
by warriorboi4lyfe on Jul 22, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions
david lee and charlie bell
both have #42 which one of them gonna get it
Shaq Attak
The Warriors could do something right and positive and get Shaq to solve the big man problem they’ve never resolved.
Washed up athlete but Peak Condition Salary
Unless Shaq is unsigned & season is close to starting, he’s probably thinking he can pull down 15+ million again. He was a guy w/ power/strength/size …. now he’s just a guy w/ size but I don’t think his ego has come to grips w/ this.
Also, Shaq & Nellie would never work. Shaq runs the court so slow that he’d only be effective in a team which relies heavily on the half court offense. Warriors will constantly be playing 4 vs. 5 offensively or 4 vs. 5 defensively.
Big plus is he wants to be a Warrior
Considering he’s a D-league player, I’m not expecting much. Especially w/ Curry & Monta in front of him.
Asian part doesn’t mean much to me ….. but to have someone say he wanted to play w/ his childhood team & then say “warriors” ??!!!! I"m so used to hearing this comment & then players will say Lakers, Celtics, Knicks ….. I’d be glad to see him have a shot.
From Summer League, I think he shows he’s good enough to be drafted. Hopefully, he can play well enough so that he can also be on the team next year. I doubt he’ll make the regular rotation this year (assuming there’s no major injuries).
Who is this kid?
I have heard of this kid only through some asian kids at work.
IS HE LIKE BASKETBALL PACQUIAO FOR YOU GUYS?
he looks ok, but nothing much to fart about…
"I am not prettier than your girlfriend, you just like ugly girls."
by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Jul 26, 2010 11:55 PM PDT reply actions
"the only way you can get a shoe deal is if you can sell shoes."
HA! I thought the only way you can get a shoe deal is if you can actually prove yourself on the court in an actual NBA game. At least that’s how it was when I was growing up. Don’t get me wrong now, the cat can ball, but I think it’s just a wee bit TOO early to give him a shoe deal. Especially if he gets one over Stephen Curry??!!?! At least Curry played an entire season! Like I said, I was very pleased to watch this dude Jeremy Lin play, i’m proud to see him get signed, and think he will be a nice player for the Warriors. But it’s kinda strange to see a guy that just comes out of the blue, has never even played an NBA game before get a shoe deal over experienced veterans right after he signs his NBA contract, and is projected to be a backup anyway. I never even heard of this cat before. Before I get flamed for this, it aint sour grapes. Heck, if was him, I would take the money in the shoe deal too. They dumb enough to give it to him.

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