Guesstimation: Warriors Salary Situation + Pargo etc.
by DaymanCometh on Jul 21, 2010 10:40 PM PDT
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PrintUpdate 7/29: I added Pargo's cap value and actual contract (FTW?), changed Lee's contract a little by implementing a 10.5% annual salary increase, and made Tolliver's contract a 2 year minimum, while cutting Devean George who is a class act and a consummate professional.
Preface: Jannero Pargo earns $1,146,337, and $1,265,976 during his 2 yr contract, but according to the current CBA only the value of a 2yr minimum salaried player is counted against the cap and payed for by the team. The rest of the player's salary is subsidized by the league, so I have the applicable amount in the spreadsheet below. David Lee and Dorell Wright's contract values are based on their contracts equaling 80 and 11 million respectively (the media is reporting numbers just under those, but I'm staying simple) and assuming the maximum salary increase of 8% per season for players signed to new teams, and 10.5% with the same team whether they are traded or not (again simple speculation, if it's less than 8% or 10.5% then the cap number will increase a little bit for the first few years, compared to what I posted, which is not ideal if you're thinking about next year's cap space). I assumed that the Warriors will sign Tolliver to a two year contract based on recent news reports. I would assume that all this talk about the Warriors increasing their offer to Tolliver had to do with a second year and/or more guaranteed money and not offering more than the minimum contract values for a player with a single year of experience. Also, the non-speculated info is taken from hoopsworld.com's team salaries.
| Player | 2010-11 | 2011-12 | 2012-13 | 2013-14 | 2014-15 | 2015-16 |
| David Lee | $10,238,550 | $11,313,598 | $12,501,526 | $13,814,186 | $15,264,675 | $16,867,466 |
| Monta Ellis | $11,000,000 | $11,000,000 | $11,000,000 | $11,000,000 | ||
| Andris Biedrins | $9,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $9,000,000 | ||
| Ekpe Udoh | $3,065,040 | $3,294,960 | $3,524,880 | $4,469,548 | Q-$5,962,377 | |
| Stephen Curry | $2,913,840 | $3,117,120 | $3,958,742 | Q-$5,308,674 | ||
| Dorell Wright | $3,388,368 | $3,659,437 | $3,952,192 | |||
| Charlie Bell | $3,851,440 | $4,099,920 | ||||
| Jannero Pargo | $854,389 | $884,293 | ||||
| Jeremy Lin | $473,604 | $788,872 | ||||
| Brandan Wright | $3,398,072 | Q-$4,580,601 | ||||
| Dan Gadzuric | $7,248,325 | |||||
| Vladimir Radmanovic | $6,883,800 | |||||
| Reggie Williams | $762,195 | |||||
| Anthony Tolliver | $762,195 | $884,293 | (speculation) | |||
| Center Please | ||||||
| TOTAL | $63,839,818 | $48,042,493 | $43,937,340 | $38,283,734 | $15,264,675 | $16,867,466 |
| Salary Cap | $58,044,000 | |||||
| Luxury Tax | $70,307,000 | |||||
| MLE | $5,854,000 | After Dorell = | $2,465,632 | |||
| Bi-Annual Exception | $2,080,000 |
Note: You cannot combine exceptions and the 48 million dollar cap number is dependent on the Warriors renouncing the exception/restricted rights to all expiring contracts (including B.Wright)
Personal Thoughts: Although Tolliver and Pargo aren't the best available players, they do preserve next year's flexible salary cap situation as well as being competent players who, in Tolliver's case, are familiar with the team. Also, there is still a little room to sign one more player with some of the exception money or simply another minimum contract. If Morrow and CJ had been resigned then next years cap number would increase by about 7 million. So whether you like it or not that was probably the primary rationale for letting them go in sign and trades.
I will re-post when official numbers are available. Until then, consider this a rough estimate.
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Nice, that is some useful info
Does the cap figure 2011-12 include the salaries of Curry, Udoh, and Lin? I’m assuming they are all team options.
Oh, and if you're going from Hoopshype they updated a little bit
Dorell Wright is listed at $3.5M, $3.8M, and $4.1M and they only show David Lee’s first year but they have it at $10.8M.
Thanks I thought about using those numbers for Dorell because Steinmetz posted them as possibilities too
Also, I realized David Lee was signed using a Bird Exception, then traded, so my numbers are wrong, because he can receive up to a 10.5% increase per year. I’m somewhat skeptical about the 10.8 for Lee as well as Dorell’s numbers because the Warriors haven’t released any official contract details, as per team policy, but who knows.
Basically I was frustrated by not having all the W’s salary info so I tried my best to complete it given what I could find out.
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by DaymanCometh on Jul 22, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It isn't a base salary deal
he did a sign and trade in part to get the 10.5%
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 22, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, I don't think there is anything official out yet
But either way you seem to be in the right ballpark which is good enough for now.
Good work
It really puts the CJ/Morrow non-signings into context. Signing them would have tied up $7M for the next few years into mediocre players… as well as pushing the team up against the luxury tax this year. It’s one of the downsides of having $14M tied up in large expiring contracts.
I like this team a lot. It’s far better than any team we’ve had in recent memory, and it should be ~20M below the salary cap next year. If we make a run to the playoffs, we could make some serious noise in the free agent market next year. Kirilenko, Butler, JRich… we should still have enough cap space leftover to add a backup PG and still resign Reggie & Brandan.
Curry/Barea
Ellis/Williams
Kirilenko/Wright
Lee/Wright
Biedrins/Udoh
You’re not going to get much better than that unless a superstar falls into your lap. And, yes, that’s really the only way you get a superstar.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 22, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
Hmm, i think we trade Ellis by then, and we probably gain some extra financial flexibility.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 22, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you get $20M below the cap?
Just from a quick glance it seems like the Warriors will be closer to $10M below unless something drastic happens with the cap.(Which is a possibility with a new CBA)
Probably trade Monta.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 23, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Don’t know where that came from. But it should still be in the 13M range assuming we don’t resign Brandan. That’s plenty to work with.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It's nice to see a quality post on GSOM! Rec for that!
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 22, 2010 6:20 PM PDT reply actions
IS THIS A JOKE?!??
Why dont we just get rid of Dan G and Vlad or release em. look how much they COST!!!! WTf Warriors!
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by warriorboi4lyfe on Jul 22, 2010 6:28 PM PDT reply actions
Releasing a player doesn't
remove their salary. You still have to pay them. I don’t know how we can get rid of them- is there a team with capspace that would be willing to add a vlad rad for free? A: No.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 22, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Good stuff
Thanks for putting this together. It’s good to have a quick reference even if some of the details are still a little fuzzy.
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This is a good recap...On the luxury tax issue
Cohan is gone so I hope the luxury tax becomes a non issue. It seems like it is something the good teams in the league pay. I would hope if owners were willing to pay record price for the team they would also be willing to pay luxury tax to get good players.
I hope the luxury tax becomes a non issue
You still wouldn’t want to be giving away retarded contracts even if we were in the luxury tax, look what happened to the knicks, took them YEARS to get some cap space
by JustSomeName on Jul 22, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Nevertheless, if you look at the salaries of successful teams, they all make moves causing them to pay the tax. It’s still a risk, but a necessary one.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 23, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s more a case of correlation rather than causation. Good teams have good players which get high salaries. It’s not that if we just have a high salary, all of a sudden we become a good team. We need the good players first.
by Calamity on Jul 25, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah right!
I totally got my comment hidden for dissing the use of the non-word “guesstimation” in the title of this post! Sorry if that isn’t basktball-related enough for ya, but come on! I would guesstimate you’re offended to, irregardless of you’re initial response!
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 23, 2010 1:46 AM PDT reply actions
Haha
You used a naughty word.
I know you don’t think there should be any rules here, but there still are. ;-)
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OK i feel much better about that. I can deal with being censored for profanity, just not for criticizing “guesstimation”, %&$# non-word!
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 23, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Geusstimation,more accurately geusstimate, is beginning to show up in dictionaries including Mirriam-Webster
Regardles, it got the point across
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by DaymanCometh on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe Curry is going to cost us a LOT more than you are forecasting..
to keep in the future…I believe he will become the highest paid player on our team in the not too distant future.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 23, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
This is not a forecast
This is an actual report of the current contracts. Obviously, Curry will need to be resigned or extended at some point and he’ll cost a lot more than he does now on his rookie contract. If the FO and owners are serious about building a contender, they will bring in a top free agent next year and extend curry the year afterward.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
they will bring in a top free agent next year and extend curry the year afterward.
How do rookie contract extensions work? Can Curry opt out for more money if he believes hes deserving of it? Or is he locked into the rookie contract until the extension ends?
by JustSomeName on Jul 23, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't believe Curry is signed until 2014?
I may be wrong, but I thought he will require signing to a longer term contract around 2012? In which case the figures thereafter can surely be described as ‘forecast’…
but thanks for basically reiterating exactly what I said…namely… Curry is going to cost us a LOT more to retain than shown in the OP beyond 2012.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 23, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you missed the point.
Those are the actual numbers of his current contract. The only thing there which could be interpreted as a ‘forecast’ is the ‘13-’14 # with the ‘Q’ in front of it. That is the number of the Warriors qualifying offer. Technically we could keep him for exactly what is listed above, but he would be an unrestricted free agent after that. It’s far more likely that Curry could be extended before then but his new contract wouldn’t kick in until that year (‘13-’14). So yeah, we should consider ourselves lucky to have him up until that season at his rookie contract rate. I wouldn’t be surprised if the length of rookie scale contracts gets shortened in the upcoming CBA.
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Wow...and indeed I did...
Didn’t realise that we had him locked in that long, thanks for pointing that out! In which case when he becomes an All-Star within the next two years….he will seem like incredible value! ;)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 23, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
That’s the beauty of drafting good player that are actually good right away. You get lots of value years. Hopefully the new ownership can find one more high level player and give us a pretty legit ‘big three’ of Curry/Lee/Whoever. And hopefully ‘Whoever’ is even better than Curry or Lee… Oh, how nice it would be to love a team that was that good.
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by olympicmike on Jul 23, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If that whoever is as good as Lee or Curry, i think thats a very solid starting point.
If he is better, playoffs shouldn’t be a problem.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 24, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it possible to trade Devean George + Vladimir Radmanovic + Dan Gadzuric + Charlie Bell
for someone that can play actually? These guys sucks big time.
I’m already missing CJ Watson and Anthony Morrow :-(
=Gaucho=
We might be able to get a reverse-Stephen Jackson
or reverse-Corey Maggette situation. Reverse in the sense that we’re giving up crappy players for good and overpaid/disgruntled players.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 24, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, i'd rather keep the cap space then acquire a player like that.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 24, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
than*
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 24, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
a vet like George
if he’s willing to work for the minimum, is only paid around 745 k by the team (a four-year player’s minimum under the c.b.a), with the remainder subsidized, and only the 745 k counts toward the cap or tax limits. That was part (maybe most, by Rowell’s reasoning) of the attraction for the fabulous T.Hudson and M.Moore.
by the.monk on Jul 24, 2010 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
13+ million free after this season
Really good to have so much $$ freed up. Can definitely increase the depth on this team.
Brandon Wright is on team option or player option for next season? If it’s team option, then even more money to do something. Hopefully, this money will be spent wisely. I’m being very wishful but still hoping.
Wright is a restricted free agent after this season
So the Warrior’s can offer him a qualifying offer which is listed in the chart which gives them the right to match any offer he receives. The Warrior’s can also decline to make a qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent which would free up cap space.
Sham is the best in the biz...
He’s got all the salaries here:
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/warriors.jsp
Not included in Pargo who hasn’t officially signed yet.
“Jannero Pargo earns $1,146,337, and $1,265,976 during his 2 yr contract, but according to the current CBA only the value of a 2yr minimum salaried player is counted against the cap and payed for by the team.”
This is only if a two year or more veteran signs a one year minimum salary contract. Pargo (will have) signed a two year deal, so it doesn’t apply to him, thus you carry the full cap hit.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 2, 2010 2:53 AM PDT reply actions
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