Monta Ellis

And Kobe shot 50% against him. He’s a keeper if we want to suck.

Can he share the ball? Yes, we saw last year that when people moved he found them.

Sorry, can’t take your comments on Ellis serious because, they aren’t.
He played 1v5 basketball last year with some incredible shooters open from his drives, yet he couldn’t or the better word wouldn’t pass to them. He played selfishly all year. He better play like he did before, or we got to ship him out soon.

Enough of the negativity. He is part of our team, support him.

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That’s really poor logic. He has to learn to stay in front of his man and contest shots night in and night out before we proclaim him even an adequate defender. DRose makes plays like this sometimes, but he’s also one of the worst defenders at his position.

It wasn’t long ago that we were saying this was Monta’s team when BD left.

Yeah, and last season showed that this line of thought was misguided.
It’s funny- if you look at Monta’s career, he has one good year, one okayish year, and the rest are either bad or at least below average.

Do we have a limit of mulligans? Lol

No doubt

Leave.

too small to guard 2s in this league night in and night out. I also like my 2s to be able to play 3 and not the 1.

Unless we can get someone better. And obviously better not arguably better.

cut back on the posts.
Unless you’re trying to use the reply button. If that’s the case, you should use the reply button.

He’s going to be 25 before the season starts. He’s pretty developed. Most of a player’s development happens early on and if you ask coaches, they say the NBA prime is around 26-27. He could get better at defense and shooting, but he’s not going to be da supastah ever. If he was, he would have showed us more.

For all the complaints I heard about Monta not sharing the ball, I don’t hear any equal amount of praise for when he DOES kick the ball to an outside shooter

The problem is that he just wasn’t doing it enough. Every time he didn’t kick it out was another 1 on 3 iso that was more likely to result in a missed shot or a turnover than just about anything else on our team. It’s good that he was getting 5 assists a game. It’s bad because he was still making really really bad decisions along the way. Even Allen Iverson was a better passer than Monta.

about David Lee should not keep you throughout the night. I’ve always been a Lee guy and have watched him play a lot throughout his career. He always gets his rebounds even if he’s not having the best offensive game. As of now, his offense disappears a lot less than it has, and his impression on the game in this way rarely strays from within its element. He’s a very hard working reliable player that brings it every night. I’m more than happy to have him on the team. Go to a Knicks forum and check out what the fans have to say about him. You will have difficulty finding fans who are happy of his departure, and even more difficulty finding those who share mutuality.

Wright on the other hand, I know absolutely nothing about, except what I’ve read from Heat fans, seen on youtube, and observed from very few games. I say the jury is still out on our wing situation until proven otherwise. He is capable of being spectacular though, Jim Barnett has always been a big D-Wright fan.

who were among the best 3 point shooters in the league last season.

People like nash and cp3 and other great pgs in the league all were around 2-3 turnovers a game.. monta was 1 more then them i thnk.

I remember Stern was asked about it at a press conference and got really defensive and was getting really mad at the reporter. Stern got to choose that one

Watching those highlights makes me not want to even think about trading Ellis! If he was like 4-6 inches taller, we wouldn’t even be complaining about him!

Monta makes a lot of highlight-reel plays.

The problem with his game has very little to do with his height. It has to do with all the plays that DON’T make the highlight reel – when he charges into traffic, doesn’t pass to the open man, and throws up a circus shot that misses.

Low-percentage shots tend to make for great highlight reels, because for some reason the highlight reals never include a proportionate number of the missed shots, and wow, they sure are pretty when they go in.

can’t rely on those drives as he gets older and loses a step or two

Gave myself a loaded question.

Though you make some solid points, I think this pretty much applies to your entire post.

I mean, I appreciate the optimism — I’m kind of a brightside guy too — but in the cases of Monta and Dorell Wright I think you really need to allow for a bit more uncertainty. Their career paths are all over the place. We could be looking at a poor man’s DWade and Kirilenko; or a poor man’s Lou Williams and Julian Wright; or (most likely) somewhere in that rather vast range.

Monta should be able to average about 25 ppg accept this time he should be shooting well over 45%.

FG% is an 80s stat.

anyway, Monta was effective in 07-08 not b/c he was off the ball, but b/c he shot ridiculously well from mid-range at 43.9% that season. other than that season he has never had a season at even 40%. guy shot over 60% for a month. as rare as that is in NBA history, you’d think it’d be common sense that that probably would never happen again. on the other hand, NBA history is littered with guys who had 1 or 2 seasons of insanely hot shooting outliers that stick out compared to their career #‘s. one way to circumvent this is to take more 3’s & less mid-range jumpers (since 33% from 3 is like shooting 50% from 2 which is much more preferable than 36-39% from mid-range).

Monta also was a much better finisher pre-moped than post-moped. he finished at a ridiculous 68% & 66% in his 2 seasons before moped. while his 08-09 season was marred for the most part, we saw him finish at at a 60% clip that season & at a 61% clip this season.

07-08, a contract year, was the only season Monta rebounded like a SG at a 7.1% clip. excluding that season, his rebound rate is in the 5% area.

the one area it helped him in was his TOV rate.

it also keeps his usage rate down so 25 ppg is unrealistic. if he’s truly off the ball in the sense he was with Baron that is. his usage rate was at 29.4% this season. it was at 21.7% in 07-08. his assist rate should also decrease.

Basically Monta needs to drop the # of possessions he uses by 1/3, shoot more 3’s in place of mid-range jump shots & get his rebounding rate up like it’s a contract year. unfortunately the moped accident has probably cost him the explosiveness that made him an elite finisher, but there’s nothing he can do about that.

Interesting stat: At-Rim field goals made for guards only:

1. Tyreke Evans, 5 per game
2. Dwayne Wade, 4.9 per game
3. Monta Ellis, 4.0 per game.

Too bad it doesn’t tell us how well they converted on their shot attempts.

And the %‘s below shows that he still one of the better finishers at the rim which some have said he isn’t. Rec’d

4. Again, with Lee and Curry this will change, being the second or third option may mean less points but more efficiency.

I think this is possible, but I don’t think it’s 100%. It’s what I hope happens for sure. I’d like to see David Lee taking most of our shots.

Haha. Somehow this thread wouldn’t have been complete without a cameo by the Krazee one.

Can you remind us again when Monta will fulfill his promise as the second coming of Jordan? ;-)

Also: can your next video showcase some rebounding and passing, assuming he does some of it this year?

even if his scoring gets back to 08 form, his defense will always be below average

When a top decision maker handles the ball most of the time and the team can effectively use its defense to generate early offense attacks for Monta, few guards are more successful.

Very true. Monta was very good with Baron there to guide him on offense, and that scrambling gambling defense to create turnovers. Monta really had that killer instinct on offense back then. There was no hesitation. When the other team turned the ball over or missed a shot he was instantly streaking down the court looking back for a pass that came his way more times than not. Now he comes back for the ball and has to collect himself and figure out what play is coming, and that role just doesn’t work for him. Even with Curry coming into his own as a PG as the season moved on, Monta was still calling for the ball in the backcourt and bringing it up himself far too often.

I would love to see Monta back in attack mode. Leave the thinking up to Curry, and let the team help to create his opportunities. Run, slash, drive, and when the defense is on their heels and pulling back in the paint use the mid-range jumper. He was so good in that role. There’s two very big questions hanging out there though. Is Monta willing/able to accept that role again? Is Curry a good enough PG to be that ‘top decision maker’? I’m still open to the idea that a Curry/Ellis backcourt could work, but I’m not holding my breath. I would love to see the old Monta again though. He was such an exciting part of those teams.

Trust me i watched almost every game last year.

Hey, I’d imagine that’s true for just about everyone here. You’re not telling us anything we haven’t heard before.