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I just finished watching the replay of the Unites States scrimmage and was very surprised with what I saw. Just wanted to get my thoughts out there are see if you guys who watched the game are feeling me on this.

 

Players who were most impressive:

1.) Derrick Rose: I like many of the GSoM community share the belief that Derrick Rose is overrated and relies to much on his athleticism to make plays rather than his BBIQ and doesn't have much range, but he was extremely impressive in this game. He was the fastest guy on the court, took it hard to the rack, made good passes, and protected the ball extremely well against Rondo, who is one of the best on ball defenders in the league.  After this game I expect him to be the starting point guard of the team.

2.) Eric Gordon: Man this guy played great! He had a couple of ill advised shots, but for the most part he knocked down open looks, and hit muliple 3's. Not only that he played point and did a good job of protecting the ball, even though he has an ugly dribble and doesn't keep the ball close to his body. His defense was pretty good too, he had some good on ball defense and a couple of sneaky steals on post players he crept up on. Definately was impressed with him, and expect him to be on the team even though I thought for sure he'd be one of the first cut. Good day for him.

3.) Andre Igoudala: Man this guy looked good..... He's definitely put on more muscle this off season and looks almost LeBronish, even his facial features somewhat resemble LeBron although im kinda stretching with that, but he looks physically amazing. The commentators were talking about how he was talking about being committed to being a defensive stopper this year, and it sure looks like hes been putting in work. He was excellent in his minimal playing time, playing good defense, making the right plays, and surpizingly hitting some deep jumpers, i believe he had 17 points on 6 shots!!!! Amazing!!! I expect a huge year from this guy and definitely will be trying to have him on my fantasy team. His free throws are still pretty ugly though.

4.) Rajon Rondo: Man this guy is a Hawk on defense, I got scared every time he guarded Curry because he was causing Curry all kinds of problems. He was very active on D, was very good at finding the open guys even forcing it sometimes and still making the perfect pass. He knocked down a three and got to the rack when he pleased, although he missed a couple tough layups he was still able to get to the rack. Definitely see him making the team as well

 

Players who were unimpressive:

1.) Gerald Wallace: Definitely out of his league, couldn't make any shots, didn't make anything happen. I don't see him making the team especially since he said something to the effect of being in Turkey might be a little overwhelming for him. Didn't do anything impressive on either end and was basically a ghost except for all his missed open shots.

2.) Brook Lopez: I know hes recovering from being sick, but he just looked awful. Late on rotations, ugly offensive moves, punked for rebounds, not much good to say about him, would rather have McGee on the team than him.

3.) Stephen Curry: Well he wasn't that unimpressive as much as I am a huge fan of his and thought he made some pretty poor plays and I'm being tough on him. He did knock down some open 3's and had some descent passes, but took several ill advised shots. In fact I can remember 2 contested long jumpers off screens that he missed, and then got beat down the court on the other end for a lay-up. Uhhhh that was ugly. Rondo definitely had his way with Curry on defense. Curry definitely hustled out there but Nate had him on a short leash ala Nellie on Randolph...Too many mistakes!!!

4.) Chauncey Billups: Didn't make shots, made poor decisions, wasn't really a factor at all. Not much else too say except unimpressive

 

A few other observations:

Durant made way too many mistakes handling the ball, he needs to trust his point guards to make plays, although he did have a couple of good passes, he had wayyyyy too many turnovers. Still the scoring is there.

JaVale McGee has some good flashes, in his first minute he scored 6 points had a couple of boards and blocked an Odom 3. Sweet finish with the left hand in the paint too. Seemed a little bit out of shape as the game went on, but had some pretty impressive moments.

Tyson Chandler was really good, it was like he was back on the hornets doing what he does best, but geez make some free throws pleeeeese those were some ugly attempts!!

OJ Mayo is just ok at everything and not good at anything, he did knock down some shots though.

Kevin Love tenacious on the offensive glass

 

The way i see the team shaking out

PG: Rose, Billups(for leadership), Rondo

SG: Igoudala, Curry, Gordon

SF: Durant, Gay

PF: Odom, Love

C: Chandler, McGee (unless Lopez recovers soon)

 

Wallace, Green, and Granger aren't better than Gay and Durant and are redundant. Mayo doesn't have a role. Westbrook and Evans aren't better than Rose and Rondo and are redundant.

I can see Gordon or Curry getting cut for either Green or Granger, but most likely it would be Granger over Gordon.

I can also see us going small with this lineup:

Rose

Curry

Igoudala

Durant

Odom

That's all I got, we'll see how this all unfolds!!!

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Curry played well

I think you’re being a little hard on Curry. It was his first USA game and he was pretty solid. 4 for 9 from the field for 14 points, and was tied for second on the team with 6 boards. That was more than Lopez and Wallace’s combined 0. He was a little shaky at times, but that was most likely jitters because it was his first time in that setting.

by duballers23 on Jul 25, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Well....

Like I said, i was being a little hard on him. I was just unimpressed by his overall decision making, and his ball protection. I have such high expectations for him that it was disappointing to see him not making the best decisions. I agree too Granger was unimpressive, and Odom was ok, he made some poor decisions too.

by bigshotbob05 on Jul 25, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also first game with these teammates

Curry had one turn over when he lobbed a high inbound pass to Durant. Durant had OJ, a smaller player, on him. The lob was fine if Durant just jumped and get it, instead he backed off and just reached and OJ tipped it.

Just need to know the teammates a little better and they’ll click more. Curry is that type of player who will improve his place the more he knows about his teammates.

by JSML on Jul 25, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only problem I had

What the heck is Curry doing hitting Wallace in the corner, and what the heck is Wallace doing shooting that 3?

;-P

by Badly Browned on Jul 26, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Curry gave a lot of nice open looks for Wallace in the corner, but Wallace failed to make them. If only he can make those threes, Curry would have gotten a lot of assists that game.

by Precise Films Productions on Jul 27, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Analysis Bob.

"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.

by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 25, 2010 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Also on this topic,

How did you evaluate the players considering this was pretty much a pick-up game with a few people playing for their olympic futures?
Also, why don’t you think Wallace will make it? I personally think he’s one of the top 3 or 4 players in camp, and with our lack of bigs, he could easily fill the undersize power forward role well, with his shot blocking and rebounding.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 25, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Billups, Rose, Rondo
Igoudula, Curry, Gordon
Durant, Gay, Granger
Odom, Love
Chandler

by Sinigang on Jul 26, 2010 12:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope they cut Gay

Lopez sucked but he is coming off of mono.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

why would they cut Gay

he was the 2nd best player out there

by KeepRunning on Jul 26, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Gay isn't very good.

"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.

by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

because he isn't very good at all

let alone the 2nd best player. He’s probably the worst or 2nd worst player on that list, actually.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont worry about governor

he doesn’t actually watch basketball he just looks at the players wp48 stats. if he did watch the game he would have saw that rudy gay was on fire, playing unselfish, hitting open shots, and being a great team player.

by mekanikal on Jul 27, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

playing unselfish

He passes like Amar’e Stoudemire. He’s one of the worst passers in the league at any position.

hitting open shots

to the tune of 33% from 3.
He really isn’t good at anything. He rebounds okay, but not very well for a small forward. Can’t pass, not a good defender, not a good scorer

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 27, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

those are last seasons stats

if you watched the game you would see that he was hitting everything, and yes he is a good defender and good scorer. he’s not a very good shooter, but he makes up for his lack of skill with his athleticism.

by mekanikal on Jul 27, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, you just meant the from the USA game. He was okay. In general, though, Rudy Gay isn’t a good player. He’s a bad defender, bad scorer, bad shooter. He scores points, but at a below average efficiency. I’d expect that we’d get something closer to his NBA performance in the future, rather than his scrimmage performance.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 27, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

in the blue vs white game

he went 6-7 from the field, 3-4 for 3’s.. i would say that’s pretty efficient maybe hes been working on his shot this off season.

by mekanikal on Jul 27, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, cos' we evaluate NBA players based off one scrimage rather than 4 seasons of NBA play, right mekanikal?

Troll.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rose is the truth...

I know there are non-believers, but D-Rose can BALL. He proved it in last year’s playoffs with a very mediocre supporting cast. He’s on the USA team for sure, starting at point.
Next season with the Bulls, he will lead them deep into the East playoffs for sure!

We Believe!!!

by crossphaded on Jul 26, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

very mediocre

He played with Joke, who is a WP48 superstar. He also played with Luol Deng, a strongly above average player, as well as Kirk Hinrich.
He had a very good 2nd half of last year and I look forward to what he does in the future. However, claiming that he did it by himself is dishonest or ignorant.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noah gets abused in the playoffs by bigger centers. Luol Deng has been injured most of his career, and Kirk Hinrich is a black hole of garbage. He hasn’t had a productive teammate since Ben Gordon and John Salmons left, besides Noah in the regular season.

by mekanikal on Jul 27, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

DRose has been just as injured as Luol Deng

It’s funny that you say Gordon and Salmons. Salmons was bad last season in Chicago, and Ben Gordon isn’t that good. He can score, but he’s an undersized 2. He can’t rebound or do anything else.
Being a productive teammate doesn’t just mean scoring. It means you rebound your position, you pass, you get steals and so on.
It’s funny that you say that guys like Deng and Noah aren’t productive even though they’re actually more productive than Rose.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 27, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the Celtics Bulls series Gordon put the Bulls on his back. That series would probably have been done in 5 games if it wasn’t for him, he was ridiculous. Yes hes undersized and not very athletic but the dude can ball. Joakim is great rebounder and a good defender. But he gets raped later into the season and into the playoffs and he will continue to until he puts a lot of muscle on. Frankly i don’t understand why hes still as skinny as he is what are his trainers doing? I think once he puts some meat on he can be an elite center in the league but I don’t see that happening with him.

by mekanikal on Jul 27, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes hes undersized and not very athletic but the dude can ball.

The dude can put the ball in the basket, but not much else. He also isn’t elite at that. It’s not like he’s Kevin Martin or something.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 27, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you realize that in that Celts-Bulls series

Of the 7 players who played significant moments, Ben had only the 3rd highest PER on the team? (That “black hole of garbage” had the highest PER, by the way, while also playing great defense.) Ben scored a lot of points on average, but he was unusually inefficient in doing so. And in the 3 games in which he scored the most, the Bulls lost every single one of them.

It’s understandable – he was injured for much of the series – but he did not carry the team.

by wjb1492 on Jul 27, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah D Rose really impressed me

Curry was ok

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by GSW9 on Jul 26, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Rose

I wasn’t impressed with Rose’s mad dashes to the basket in the first half., but maybe that was what the coaches wanted. He had a better second half.

by lrus on Jul 26, 2010 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

NOooOOo

Lebron James Thread dead?

Goal: 8 seed!

by dso on Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I saw that

I was pretty sad.

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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

I bet AB1 and FJ are giving OlympicMike a little “talking to” for letting it stay up so long…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 26, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes we need some entertainment outside of basketball.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

What thread? I didn’t see a Lebron thread…

Golden State Warriors '10-'11 Season: The Return of ^^^^

by olympicmike on Jul 26, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It will never die,

a zombie undead in-joke, animated by a conspiracy by the mods shifty eyes.

I’ve seen comments to the effect that Curry will be the “designated zone buster” for the team. If this is true, how do you think it will affect his play on the Warriors this year?

Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.

by Rasputin10 on Jul 26, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely see Granger and Lopez making the team

they need the size and Granger can play a big guard, sf, and pf. He is a great defender and offensive players.
I am sure Lopez was just a little rusty he will come back soon with practices. Lopez is probably the most skilled big men and best low post scorer.
I see it being
Rondo/Rose/Curry because of his shooting and passing and that he can play both guard spots
Dre/Gordon
Durant/ Granger
Lamar/Love
Lopez/ Chandler/McGee
Chandler or McGee could get cut so the more skilled Gay could make team, but I think those bigs are valuable because they are great shot blockers, rebounders, defenders, and have good size

by MJ5 on Jul 26, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

it should have been left up..

i love this site but that’s just too much censorship

Being a Warriors fan is like cutting yourself... without the cutting

by DMJR on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Stephen Curry

Even though Curry had an average game it really does not matter since all I want from Curry is to be healthy when the season starts and to learn something during the summer league since he is playing with all of these talented guards such as Rajon Rondo and Derrick Rose.

by Curry is amazing on Jul 31, 2010 10:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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