Xavier Henry Movement
by iHypeTV on Jul 26, 2010 4:24 PM PDT
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PrintSo we've all heard about the fiasco/controversy/standoff with Xavier Henry & the cheap Memphis Grizzlies. I think it would only be right to bring this dude where he rightfully belongs; the Golden State Warriors! I think he rightfully belongs here as we actually have playing time available for a player of his type. The Warriors have liked Xavier Henry since the pre-draft workouts which means that there should be interest in a S&T deal. Besides the obvious, I will describe the pros & cons of such a deal and why we should or shouldn't bring in Xavier Henry.
PRE-DRAFT MEASUREMENTS:
| Height w/o Shoes | Height w/shoes | Weight | Wingspan | Standing Reach | Body Fat | No Step Vert | Max Vert | Bench Press | Lane Agility | 3/4 Court Sprint | Class Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6' 5.25" | 6' 6.5" | 210 | 6' 11.25" | 8' 9" | 4.7 | 28.5 | 36.5 | 8 | 11.10 | 3.18 | NA |
PROS:
Xavier Henry is a Shooting Guard/Small Forward that is nearly 6'6 w/o shoes on. This is considered a positive as he is only 19 years old which means he can still possibly grow another inch or two while heading into his prime as a player (Let's not forget he already has a NBA ready body!). Xavier is also a fundamentally sounded player that can probably play a little bit of point guard if needed. He is an underrated distributor that can get some time at either the 3, 2, and even the 1. His versatility is key and I am actually surprised he slipped to the 12th pick as I saw him as a lock to either UTAH or IND (well, if he didn't come here of course).
Xavier's game/style is actually similar to that of Reggie Williams except Xavier has a few things Reggie does not have; he has legit size to play the small forward position along with upside. I think regardless of if he's more polished than players his age or not, being one of the younger guys in his class (Henry will not be 20 years old until March of 2011) he can still develop and build on his current skills. For example, if he can hit the 25ft shot with consistency why can't he make it 27ft? If he hits free throws at 78% why can't it be at 90? I'm just saying this guy has been overlooked and I think Memphis, the team that drafted him, is doing the same thing to him.
On The Side Note: Xavier Henry wasn't the focal point in the offense at Kansas playing alongside Cole Aldrich which means being on this team it will be much easier for him to be able to play off the ball with Stephen Curry setting him up consistently for open looks.
CONS:
The one thing that may factor into the Warriors dealing for Xavier Henry is actually important; He hasn't even played in a game yet. Nobody knows what to expect from him since he didn't even join the Grizzlies for Summer League play these past few weeks. No one knows if he's hiding something or for the fact that he might not want to participate if it "doesn't count." Xavier Henry is a mystery man the Warriors may not want to go after but regardless of the above I still think he's worth the risk.
HOW DO THE WARRIORS GET HIM:
I think the Warriors will have to sacrifice part of their trade exception along with a future "protected" draft pick in order for this deal to go down. The Grizzlies should only be allowed to keep the pick if it ranges from 12-14 as that is the range of the draft in which X. Henry was taken anyways. I don't care what year the pick is as long as they are happy and we are able to get a potential stud like Xavier Henry.
If this deal was to go down, the Warriors depth chart would look something like this:
C: Andris Biedrins, Ekpe Udoh*, Dan Gadzuric
PF: David Lee, Brandan Wright, Anthony Tolliver*
SF: Dorell Wright, Xavier Henry*, Devean George*
SG: Monta Ellis, Reggie Williams
PG: Stephen Curry, Jeremy Lin, Charlie Bell
* = Injured/Questionable
From the looks of that line-up, that Warriors team is young with a lot of players that are looking to prove themselves this upcoming season. That team can compete within a few years with other young teams like Oklahoma City Thunder & the Portland Trailblazers. I am saying this now, but this will make the Warriors the second best team in California. This team will be a force to be reckoned with in the VERY NEAR future.
On The Side Note:
Here are some sources that may be interesting to some:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Xavier-Henry-1324/
http://www.locksmithsportspicks.com/golden-state-warriors-interested-in-drafting-xavier-henry-6810/
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/25/grizzlies-standoff-with-xavier-henry-continues/
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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They shouldn't have drafted him in the first place
He’ll probably end up asking for a trade. Playing time is going to be very hard to come by for him. At the 2 and the 3 they have Mayo, Allen, Vasquez, Gay, Young, and Carroll not including Henry. Why would they take him? Makes no sense.
by duballers23 on Jul 26, 2010 4:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like how
they won’t give Xavier that 300k guaranteed, but they’ll give Rudy Gay $80 M
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1!
Watch them lose both Mayo & Gasol because they can’t afford to sign them these upcoming summers!
I really really want Gasol.
But even though it’s not likely, He’d definitely be worth the money.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
If we picked up Gasol & Melo doesn't sign his extension,
would you trade Biedrins as part of Melo deal in a S&T?
Peter Guber has a Twitter
tell him there.
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Great!
How cool would that be if he actually listened to us and we ended up with Henry for our 2nd or TE. I believe, it happened with Jeremy Lin.
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Yeah...
I’m trying to see if he has any personal contact information laying around as well!
Maybe if he sees we’re persistent we can be taken serious in regards to this team!
That would be awsome!
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Do it now
Henry can take Buike’s role that is left, hooray for more deph!
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
Well, come to think of it..
Reggie Williams is our only real scorer off the bench now.. Adding Henry would be very nice, I’d love for them two lefties to backup the 2 and 3.
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
We will probably lead the league in left handed players...
Biedrins, Lee, B. Wright, Williams, & Henry?…
I think I’m missing somebody though!
Randolph. I’m still missing him… :,-(
And we could have had Greg Monroe and Luke Babbitt, had we considered them worth a damn. (#6 pick = a damn).
And then there’s Marcus Williams, the gift that keeps on being pushed back. Somehow you know the draft pick we end up conveying will be the second coming of Shaq, only with the shooting touch of Ray Allen…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
this is the guy I was hoping we would trade down for
before the draft, but it obviously didn’t work out that way. I’m all in favor of getting him to play for GSW. They clearly drafted him as insurance against losing Gay or Mayo (or both), but now he probably doesn’t fit into their “plans”.
I would do it. But what does Memphis want?
They could use bench depth, maybe a back up 4, a legit PG.
I don’t see us matching up well with them unless they would do the deal for BWright. But then on our side I don’t like sending out what looks to be our only backup PF for a SG-SF.
If they would take our TE and a 2nd rounder it’s a no brainer. Drats, too bad we can’t trade a protected 1st rounder in the future. F**** you Mullin.
Would they take Reggie Williams even though they’ve probably seen very little of him? We don’t have much else to give unfortunately.
I bet nothing gets done but I will 100% back this movement.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I say we give them a little bit extra of TE
along with a second rounder…The Warriors might have to take a garbage player back in return so it’s all up in the air I think at the moment. But I think it’s more possible that they might want to move him now after that huge Rudy Gay contract!
I would love to have
Xavier Henry. I support this. The trick is finding away to get him without given up much, say a 2nd or TE. Get it done Riley!
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That's what everybody is saying...
MEM is going to be desperate for money after the Rudy Gay contract!
They're stupid.
They shouldn’t have given him so much dang money.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Off topic
But Joe lacob will be on chronicle live (csn bay area) tomorrow at 5. And ray is always on; being he is the person who started this whole Henry thing, hopefully he mentions it. Idk just a thought
They just said Joe lacob
I’m sure if they would both be there they would of mentioned it
No problem
make sure to watch tomorrow; maybe he will give us some insight in some future moves.. Players, FO, GM, coaches.
by GSW Fan4Life on Jul 26, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not so hot on the idea of tweeting Guber.
I like it and all, but it concerns me he got a tweet to sign a guy no one had interest in (Lin), and he signed them. It’s great he listens to us, but most of the time, the team probably will make a better move than the average fan sending him tweets about signing A.I., or go out an acquire a high PPG scorer.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions
HB
Thabeet, Henry, Carroll for Monta + TE
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And according to Draft Express,
Henry likes to play defense as well. This team is becoming more and more defensive minded!
Monta
If you arelooking to trade monta you should like in to Andrre Igoudala or mabe danny granger because i am shure both of those teams who have those players would trade them for monta
are you kidding me????
Granger > Iggy > Monta
I dunno if Granger is better
best scorer in the group, but Iggy is a better defender, rebounder, passer… really, he’s better at everything but scoring.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont know if i agree with that
granger is actually a pretty good defender and rebounded. he can play anywhere from shooting guard to power forward. i think granger is a better inside defender but iggy is a better on ball defender. i am biased however i think iggy is one of the most overrated players in the nba.
Its really interesting how people view players,
It seems like there is a phase in a players career when they are young that they often get overvalued. Remember when JJ Hickson was untouchable???? I think Randolph was probably in that category too, although we’ll see if he actually get really good.
It also seems that certain players can get overvalued by their own teams fans, such as Morrow, and Buike on the Dubs.
Then there are players like Granger, Iggy, and Monta who are often valued higher by fans of other teams than their own fans. I don’t actually really know about Granger, but I know that Iggy isn’t a very liked player on the 6ers, by their fans. I’m sure if his contract was lower fans would like him more, so it doesn’t necessarily have to do with him not have game, but still its interesting how they don’t like him. Same with Ellis, a lot of GS fans don’t like him, but a lot of other fans from around the league know his name and think that he is good.
It almost seems like fans hold “star” players up to the ridiculous standard of an MJ, Magic J, or some other player who could lead a team to a championship, which makes sense because fans want their team to win a championship! But it just seems like fans will be disgruntled with nearly any star player except maybe 5 players in the league, because their standards are so high. And even when a team has a player like Tim Duncan, their are complaints about him not having enough of a killer instinct, or something like that…
It all makes sense, cause fans want to win, and want a well run franchise, but its kinda weird to think about how all that works.
by freerandolph on Jul 28, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
i just don’t like iggy because he has absolutely no jump shot. everyone seems to think hes such a beast but how can you be so dynamic if you cant even hit a mid range jumper. when he hit that fade away against the magic in the playoffs everyone who doesn’t get to see him play much started to think he could shoot. that was one of the luckiest shots i have ever seen.
i agree that its interesting how fans judge their players. when your team is losing like the warriors and a rookie comes in like steph curry its exciting. when you have nothing else to look forward to its a breath of fresh air to see some young exciting talent on the team and they can do no wrong. later when your team is actually winning, when your in the playoff hunt fans become much more critical of their players style of play. you expect more of them since they lead you to the playoffs. suddenly feelings can shift of the player very quickly. they go from the future and a beacon of hope to the guy who is supposed to get it done, and that’s when things stop being fun.
i just don’t like iggy because he has absolutely no jump shot.
And yet, he scores much more efficiently than Monta. In addition to doing everything else better than Monta.
Not all players who aren’t beloved by their fans are created equal. By almost any measure, Iguodala is a much better player than Monta. There’s a reason Iguodala is drawing raves from Coach K on Team USA while Monta is chillin’ out and enjoying his summer vacation.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 28, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a matter of opinion
it’s a matter of fact. Over the course of Iggy’s career, he has average half a rebound more per game. He pulled down 6.5 a game last season. He’s also a very good passer for his position (legit point forward type) and one of the best defenders at his position.
i think iggy is one of the most overrated players in the nba.
That’s funny because I think he’s underrated. He’s constantly killed for his contract and most fans, aside from people here, don’t seem to care for him because he isn’t a great scorer. On the other hand, I think Granger is terribly overrated. He’s a very good scorer, but not much else. He’s an okayish rebounder, I guess. Pretty average passer. It’s interesting that you say he’s a good defender because I have never heard that about him. I always heard that he was a pretty crumby defender. He’s also one to get killed for his contract. If was a good defender to go along with his very good scoring, do you think people would think he was overpaid? I don’t.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 28, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Granger...
I’ve heard conflicting things about his defense. I think he had a pretty strong rep as a defender a couple seasons ago. Honestly, I haven’t watched closely enough or often enough to have a real opinion about it.
I really need to get a synergy account so I can go check these guys D out. I’d love to go watch a bunch of his defensive plays in a row. It probably wouldn’t take too long to form a pretty educated opinion on it.
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That'd be great
I’m open to Granger being a decent defender. I’ve heard some people say that he’s atrocious. What I’m not open to is him being a better defender than Iggy.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 28, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't give up monta
Why give up monta for a waist if a 2nd pick in thabeet and a player who has never played a game in the NBA; not even the summer league.
Memphis doesn’t want to give Henry 2mill what makes you think they would take on monta’s 11mill? Either way; I wouldn’t do it.
by GSW Fan4Life on Jul 26, 2010 6:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Thabeet isn’t a “waist” of a pick. He is a great defender, and solid rebounder, all things we need over Monta’s turnovers and ridiculous shot selection.
Henry would fill the role of shooter and defender, and he would help make this a well rounded team. I’m not sure if you agree, but if we acquire Thabeet and Henry, don’t you think this team would at least be average defensively?
Curry-Reggie
Reggie-Henry
Wright-Henry
Lee-BrokenWing
Biedrins-Thabeet.
C’mon, don’t you want this team to finally have some defense? I do.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Why give up monta for a player who has never played a game in the NBA
I would definitely give up Monta for John Wall or Blake Griffin..
Or Rubio, hehe.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That's besides the point. And I was referring to Henry
Regardless it won’t happen. Monta isn’t being traded unless we get a great player in return; and don’t you agree that neither of them are great?
Don’t get me wrong, I want Henry.. But only if we can get him without giving up a whole lot.
by GSW Fan4Life on Jul 26, 2010 6:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What do you honestly think Monta's trade value is?
I think Thabeet/Mayo is about it’s highest. Thabeet, Henry, Caroll is about the same.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a little different
Those guys will be stars…
l’ll trade Monta for Harrison Barnes
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
i would love to see this happen
I just don’t think Memphis would give up on their pick that quickly. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Maybe we could offer the trade exception, and Bwright? They do need a nice backup pf, Arthur isn’t gonna cut it.
Well they already have 6 wing players not including Henry, so it’s pretty obvious that he was either a backup plan if Gay didn’t re-sign, or they aren’t too high on him. Looks to me like it’s a bit of both. They aren’t even willing to pay him his rookie salary. If they were so excited about drafting him, then a deal would have been done a long time ago.
BW
has pretty much no trade value right now. All we could realistically hope to get for him is a 2nd rounder and a trade exception, a la Morrow.
They're in financial problems now with Rudy Gay's max contract
So they might be willing to do just about anything!
Gasol & Conley are free agents next summer...
Mayo is the following along with a few other people. Sooner or later they will be. So it’s either start doing some money saving moves now or be screwed over later paying horrible taxes.
Gasol isn’t going to cost them 18 mil a year. I think it’s fine, they just needa stop over spending on overrated players.
Gasol is probably worth more than Gay
I think if they get him for like a $10 M for the first year of the contract, that would be a good deal for him.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade exception and 2012 future first round and second round pick
Like you said the 1st rounder cannot be higher than 12-14.
If we got Henry I would be very happy with our offseason even after losing all the pieces we lost Henry would make up for it
Depending on how Reggie does this year
I would love to bring him back for another season
We need depth right now
If there is an injury to any wing we are screwed.
If we somehow could get Henry I think we really could make the playoffs
We would be the team to beat in 2-3 years!
Have the Heat, Magic, and Lakers disbanded by then?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If anything you can find a decent filler wing from the Dleague scrubs. Finding bigmen talent worthy of playing time (I’m looking at you Chris Hunter) is very rare.
Let’s stop overrating Henry and undervaluing Monta here. Who is clearly the better player and more likely to lead us into the Playoffs than a rookie Xavier Henry would.
We just traded our depth to acquire a quality FC player to play with Monta and Curry. I doubt we sell ourselves short by getting rid of quality for quantity. Kind of negates the benefits of the Lee deal, imo of course.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
by kenntoe on Jul 26, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would we want Delonte West
Since he was just traded to Minny and the report says they will waive him?…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AvSxZ8nweatvvzxXKIX_d28vLYF?slug=ys-cavswolvestrade072610
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 7:55 PM PDT reply actions
I see him as a left-handed poor man's Monta Ellis...
I don’t think we need two of them on the same team
word
i just saw the “depth” comment and was reading that article at the same time… figured West would play wing for Nellie
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No, different players.
West is a great defender and shooter, and not much of a slasher.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 26, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He may be 6’3, but he’s an actual legit SG. His perimeter D makes up for his size and he has the ability to play PG too.
Dude’s a solid basketball player. DeMarcus Cousins was labeled as a headcase, but we all wanted him.
DMC's case is different
Majority of his issues were proclaimed off of one season while West has been doing some random things for the longest!
Even if that's true,
Would you rather have somebody whose a headcase and can be taken care of (Cousins) or somebody that has been a distraction to his team and has legal problems everywhere off the court along with a medical condition (West)?
Demarcus Cousins didn't get caught with gun charges either.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I think the way Arenas handled his situation also made it worse.
Didn’t he say he thought it was comical and not that big of a deal?
just had possession?
He was speeding on a motorcycle with two loaded hand guns and a loaded shot gun strapped to him in a guitar case! To me, that is much more than just having possession. Plus, Gilbert did not point the gun at anyone. He had them lying down with a sign that said pick one. He was attempting to be funny. Im not saying it was funny as it was completely stupid and reckless for him to do so, but I would have just as much if not more concern with the Delonte West situation.
Im not saying it was funny
you had to be there, it was funny.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 27, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
If it was for the vet min, I'd sign West.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I wouldn't trade anyone significant for him
He hasn’t played at all, not even SL. Bell and Gaz are the only players I’d include
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
Exactly...
I say the trade exception and a protected draft pick..no more if not them two like you said!
you like your
+1’s dont ya. Have an original thought and you might not need those so much.
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
When it's your post you can agree/disagree with what others are stating.
And if you notice I am doing my “+1” for any of those that make sense or actually come with agreement to whatever I believe.
well...I think
That your an illuminati like Lebron James and all this +1 business is the devil!
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Please explain how being in agreement with a fellow Warriors fan can possibly make me anything like LeBron James?
jokes jokes...
didnt you read that other dudes post about Lebron being an Illuminati ?
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I take it that you didn't see the thread last night?
really though, +1ing is a waste of space.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No I don't get a chance to read every post on here!
& does it really matter if Lebron James is an Illuminati or not? What does that have to do with basketball at all?
It was a great thread
there is a parody fanshot about Stephen Curry.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That your an illuminati like Lebron James and all this +1 business is the devil!
I don’t think that’ll ever get old to me. I still LOL at that diary.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
and yes I know it's not even been a day since it got deleted.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yeah I see what your going for and if this was a year ago I would be all for it
But right now he comes with a ton of baggage and I don’t think that he can be of value. He is a pretty good defender, but I don’t want him playing big minutes. Also I don’t think he would last long before he gets put in Nelly’s dog house. He isn’t mature enough to handle that and would be a bad role model. I just think the negatives outweigh the positives by a lot
but...but...
he wears a head band and has a cool birthmark…
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
it always looks like
he has grape jelly on his chin…
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I think Curry’s facial hair is just a summer thing. & I guess Monta has his just so he can feel older haha…
I think radman wears a headband
The new look! Headband with a suit.
uh...
And his complete lack of manhood.
by Michael Stix Johnson on Jul 26, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Xavier Henry Movement
I recall checking out film of Henry and PaulGeorge and thinking George was the real thing and Henry looked like he has heavy legs when he moves? Maybe the Grizz decided he’s not what they thought? Can we have a PaulGeorge movement instead? :>)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2010 9:33 PM PDT reply actions
+1
Jk, but yeah that was our chance. I guess Riley is in a win-now mode rather than chanpionship-in-5-years-when-Randolph-becomes-KG-and-Curry-becomes-Nash mode. Yeah they probably won’t turn into KG or Nash, but you get my drift.
AR won't be KG
AR will probably be Lamar Odom with a lower b-ball IQ with his style of play.
And Stephen is not going to be Steve Nash as Curry actually shows promise in being an above average defensive player which is one thing Nash will never be.
Yeah, I know that bud. Just saying Riley would rather win now than win later / build a championship team for the future.
I think our improvement will be incremental.
I don’t think the moves Riley’s made this offseason mean he’s not planning for the future. I think they liked what Lee would give them. He’s a guy they’ve coveted for a few years now, right? Who knows when AR will break out. He could be the same spazz we know and love in NYC. It makes the drafting of Udoh slightly more bearable (to some, not me necessarily).
What we need is a healthy AB, Monta to play off the ball, and Curry to show some improvement in the finer areas of his game (I.E. PG skillz).
And also relative roster health yadayadaya….
At first I was right there with ya 408, I didn’t like the Udoh pick. But after all the extensive research done by the collective GSOM braintrust, I can say I’m fine with it. I was pro Monroe, but with the pickup of Lee, I like Udoh as a better compliment to the FC. A Lee-Monroe tandem would not stop anything in the lane imo. At least Udoh, who’s hype is all about defense, shot blocking and rebounding—will be a better fit to the team.
I do hope we still add a backup Center who can block shots, which is why I wouldn’t mind the Thabeet flyer if the cost is cheap.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
If AR's ceiling is actually Lamar Odom, then why are people excited about him?
Odom is pretty good, but has he ever been an All Star?
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 26, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they listen to the media and how they hype him up...
If you look on all these draft boards, they either compare him to KG & Chris Bosh based on size and not what he can actually do. Bosh & KG were way better players than AR at his age!
That's a good point.
I’ve recently thought he has a good shot to be Camby-like. Dunno if he can be counted on offensively yet. His potential lies in that he can also be an elite defender. Just doesn’t have the mind for it yet. When that light turns on, he could be scary. But will it?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
The only defense I've seen from AR so far is weakside shot-blocking which even Turiaf could do so that's not saying much.
He needs to go for a defensive minded team for him to ever become an elite defender
We had a chance Skeps, we had a chance…
yeah WTF’s wrong with us :>) ( goes and bangs head on wall)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
We lost when we slipped to the 6th pick...
we could’ve had the right to choose between Wesley Johnson or DMC!
Maybe the Grizz decided he’s not what they thought?
He’s a better negotiator than they thought?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Haha so true...
they probably thought he was going to be one of them kids that see numbers and sign whatever…but didn’t his dad used to play pro ball?
I’m surprised the Grizzlies didn’t give in. I mean, hey let’s throw 80 mil for a now officially overrated SF, but let’s not give our new rookie a guarantee 300k.
I know right...
Watch Gay have a down year and the media is going to blame it on him planning this summer with team USA
Maybe it's a political struggle.
They don’t want the n00b to show them up.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I think if he's not signed by the end of August his rights is going to be going elsewhere!
I think they will take the easy way out and just get draft picks and cap room in return for their stupidity
I think they'll sign him.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
He’s a better negotiator than they thought?
I don’t follow it too closely but isn’t the rookie scale set by the league? So what’s there to negotiate?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
They have the right to pay him around the scale...
Even tho I believe his salary 15% under or over the scale. But they want to pay exact but he wants that extra 15% which adds up to 300k.
But they want to pay exact but he wants that extra 15% which adds up to 300k.
Haha, oh yeah, I forgot about the tip.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Henry must think highly of himself.
Hope his game matches his…
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I have to chime in about this
The Grizzles are incredibly stupid. I have no idea if Henry is really that good or not, but he is still very cheap and despite the fact that he will be making more money than 99.9 percent of people his age, or any age no matter what contract he signs this is a complete slap in his face by the organization. Every other organization would have just paid him the money and put him on the team. If I were him I would not even want to sign with the team at all.
With that being said I don’t think the Warriors will be able to capitalize on Memphis’s stupidity because some other team will probably have more to offer for Henry, but still this whole thing is shocking.
i don’t think we can offer a future 1st rounder because we already owe one. That could hold us back. but i would offer a second round, trade exception and Cash.
i don’t think they want any players back in return. that would negate the purpose of saving money.
If we keep pushing the NJ back one like we did last year
At some point the Nets just don’t get the pick. We can trade our pick but it’d be a risk
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
Do you know how we push it back until it expires? We have to tank for 3 or 4 more years. It’s only protected from the top 7-8 picks. That means we really suck. I believe it also means we can’t trade another first round pick since we already owe one.
Basically, if pushing it back means….being one fo the worst teams in the league for the next 3-4 years, no thanks.
Oops
Why can’t we trade another 1st? If this moves makes us better then I guess the draft pick we lose won’t be worth a lot would it?
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
I think it's in the rules?
the CBA is really really complicated
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 27, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you can't trade consecutive first round picks
or something like that. The problem is we don’t know which pick we’re trading.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 28, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i know you can trade consecutive picks in the same trade
not sure about different trades.
i know you can trade consecutive picks in the same trade
You cannot trade consecutive future first round picks. You can’t do it in one trade. You can’t do it in two. You can’t do it unless you receive a first round pick in return in one of the years you’re trading it awy.
You can trade away first rounders every year, but you have to wait until after each draft. For instance, if we had traded our pick in the last draft, we’re free to trade next year’s pick even though that would be consecutive picks. The restriction only applies to picks yet to happen.
We are going to have to give up something else besides Monta...
possible our TE? or even a second rounder?
Undervalued?
A pretty bad big, a not so great PG and unproven rookie for Monta?
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
Yikes.
Really? People really like Conely that much? I just don’t see anything good for us in him. Then there’s the broken Thabeet and his inability of putting on much needed weight… and Xavier, as much as I’d like to pick him up is not just unproven, he’s untested. I’d much rather gamble on Monta having a breakout season. Xav’s worth a protected pick next season, the TE, and the extra second round at most. They can keep Conely and Thabeet.
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
right
it only makes sense if we don’t have to trade anyone (anyone good) otherwise, it’s not really adding “depth” and i don’t think Henry is ready for regular minutes. He’s too young.
This would be awesome
Especially at the 3 spot. I would happily trade a PROTECTED pick for him. Hell, throw in that extra 2nd rounder we got too.
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Jul 27, 2010 12:29 AM PDT reply actions
Im Down...
With the Xavier Henry Movement!
I do hope we sign him…
He’s a Rook , he’s cheap and he plays the 3! LETS SIGN THIS KID!
Definitely...
I say give Memphis our trade exception & possibly a second rounder for him as well! I think it’s best to do that rather than just let his contract sit there!
Keep Monta
I like how this fanpost goes from talking about trading an expiring and/or trade exeption for Henry to dumping Monta for Henry plus a package.
It’s a crazy leap that makes no sense for (at least) two reasons.
First, Memphis and Henry are only $300k apart on making a deal. If neither will budge, it shouldnt take much for us to swoop in and get Henry. We move out more garbage (Vlad, or whoever), use a trade exeption, and pick up a nice 12th pick.
Second, we have our starting rotation more or less set going into pre-season. Unless we can get (Iguodala, Melo, etc.) a big name back we’re not going to dismantle our team and we absolutely wont go around trading top NBA scorers (Monta) for some bench pieces.
Because if we wanted bench pieces, we would have kept anyone of CJ, Morrow, Azubuike, Randolph, Turiaf…) (which I just realized can give you a bench of 1-5)
We aren’t ever trading Monta for that Memphis package.
Let’s move on.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jul 27, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Agreed.
I think Memphis is in the situation where they will trade him to a team only if they can get draft picks or a trade exception of any kind in return. Trading away proven starters like Monta will only send us back especially for unproven commodities like Xavier Henry. Even though I want Henry as bad as the next fan, I say don’t do it if we have to trade a main part of our still young core. I say give them a little bit extra of a trade exception along with one of our extra second rounders for next year. I think that’s a win-win scenario for both sides.
I’d also throw in cash considerations but anything more than this just doesn’t make sense for either team.
Trading away proven starters like Monta
Kind of depends on your definition of “proven”, eh? Seems like last year he mainly proved he takes too many bad shots.
Monta has proved in the past that he is capable of starting
Xavier on the other hand, has potential and we don’t even know that he can be a rotation player. But if all we have to do is give up our TE to find out than I think it’s worth the risk as long as the core stays intact!
Monta had one good season
the last two have been awful. If that’s your definition of “proven”, we don’t have much to discuss here.
I'd definitely like to get Xavier Henry
and sign Amundson. Amundson said we have shown interest in signing him.
If we truly get Amundson & Henry,
this team is not only getting younger, but defensive minded as well. The Warriors will be the surprise team this upcoming season if it all goes through!
Can we add Hunter to the list and call it an off season to remember? Ah, what the hell? Make it Fesenko.
I rather have us pick up Josh Boone instead of Hunter...
& we got Kim Tillie getting an invite to training camp too!
Kim Tillie? Are you seriously excited about Kim Tillie?
I’ll take the guy that is not tall and skinny. Whoever that is….Hunter/ Fesenko/ Boone
I’ll take the guy that is not tall and skinny. Whoever that is….Hunter/ Fesenko/ Boone
Is Hunter recovered from his leg problem? If so we might as well add him to be our emergency big, he knows the system and gives 100% all the time.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 27, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
i hope your not comparing
hunter, fesenko, or josh boone to marcin gortat….. please
I'll give you one
Go on YouTube and type in Josh Boone all that comes up at videos of players dunking on him.. He has no defensive presence at all..
by GSW Fan4Life on Jul 28, 2010 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I love the thought of adding both Henry and amundson
Add a big and a wing; just what we need. BUT I was thinking.. Wasn’t one of the reasons we took udoh because he wasn’t so young and Riley doesn’t want so many young pieces (reason for selling the 2nd rounder)? Not only that but we just sign Jeremy Lin. If we went after Henry that would give us three rookies. Idk.. I really want Henry I think he will be great; but do you guys think it’s possible?
True...
but what separates Henry from most rookies is the fact that he is fundamentally sounded and doesn’t rely on athleticism like that of Derrick Favors or even John Wall. Riley and the rest of the coaching staff said before Udoh came in that he was the best player available at number six which is saying alot as Paul George, Greg Monroe, & even Luke Babbitt was still out there. I think Riley would sacrifice another second rounder along with our trade exception if it helps to get a rookie that is developed but just needs the added pieces to his game that can be placed during the season. Much similar to Steph Curry’s development. He would also be a nice feel to the depth chart behind Dorell Wright allowing Reggie Williams to be our combo guard off the bench. The interest should be obvious, the question now is whether Memphis is willing to throw him away over 300k?
Because if Memphis is really that cheap...
They would probably easily throw him away for a draft pick & a trade exception they will most likely need sooner rather than later
Amundson
would bring instant energy and defense off the bench, something we’re definitely missing with the departure of Turiaf. Henry brings the shooting presence off the bench which we’ll be missing without Morrow. Henry also can be groomed into our starting 3.
Exactly...
because if Dorell Wright breaks out and after his contract decides to leave for more money we can have 22 year old Xavier Henry ready to step in by then!
We need to actually get something back for losing Morrow/CJ
If we can use this TE for Henry I think it would be a great move. I don’t see him becoming an All Star level player, but coming out of HS he was pretty much the top ranked prospect in his class, ahead of even John Wall. I like him for the same reason I liked Brandon Jennings last year and wanted to draft him (which I’m thanking my lucky stars we didn’t). Talent is talent, and a bad year in college doesn’t mean he can’t be a serviceable player in the NBA, just like BJ. I think he could replace a lot of what we lost in Morrow.
What is Henry’s ceiling? Eddie Jones maybe?
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jul 27, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
Michael Redd!
LEts GO!
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
Pre-Surgery Right?
Because if you’re talking post-surgery we’re better off with Charlie Bell starting haha
thats not a very high celing
redd isnt athletic at all, hes just a good shooter, anyone can develop a nice shot.
Did you guys tell the new owners?
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Pargo
Pargo! 2 years! Ridiculous… 2 steps forward, 2-3 steps back. Pargo is not for winners. What is Lin for then? Ignorant move to sign Pargo. Hope the new owners say No Way!
Going for Henry actually fulfills needs and development. Pargo is 30, has not developed, and will not develop further. Silly signing if it’s a done deal.
Yeah I feel like its a pretty silly signing
But at least we’re not paying him very much. Its not a complete blunder of a signing, its more like, “Wait, huh? Thats weird.” Compared to the Maggs signing a few years back, which was more like, “OMFG WTF F!!!!!!!”
by freerandolph on Jul 28, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
What is Lin for then?
I think he’s going to surprise a lot of people, personally. Not immediately, but eventually he should come around to be a good pick up. I think he should have been drafted. High IQ, tough, good finisher, likes contact at the rim, underrated passer, hard worker, coachable, smart, great size, quick hands, has the range to improve jump shot, aggressive, very quick first step, creative with the ball, creative finisher, good crossover dribble, great motor, great focus and feel for the game. These are all things I’ve seen instances of when I see him play. Whether or not he dominates the competition is irrelevant as long as he consistently shows these tools, and that his game is compatible with the NBA’s.
It’s hard to really have this conversation with anybody who isn’t a student of the game and can analyze the nooks and crannies that stats don’t show, and that correlate to the big leagues. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m just saying my opinion is not based off of him being Asian, or sheer optimism.
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