The rise of the Super Teams
I am interested to hear what everyone else thinks about the rise of the "Super team." Also, what is the most logical path for the Warriors to form a Super team of our own?
I know Jordan and Magic bashed LeBron for joining up with DWade; but honestly, I think this was a pretty savvy move by LBJ to shore up his legacy (aka: win a bunch of rings). Cleveland fans may be crying tears of betrayal while the rest of us are waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop…Think about it like a war of escalation, but here the WMDs are Players of Mass Contribution (PMCs). Stars are no longer just asking for the right pieces to complement them, they are demanding some of the best pieces available in order to build an unstoppable powerhouse.
I think it started (at least most recently) when the Celtics got Ray Allen and KG to pair with Paul Peirce…called it "the new big three." They went on to win the championship that year after owning the Lakers in the Finals.
Next up, Kobe gets his wish as the Lakers get Pau for nothing. With Pau on board, Kobe’s team finally turned the corner from really good, to ridiculous. Now you’ve got Kobe (one of the greatest palyers of all time), paired with a bunch of legitimate all-stars (Pau, Odom, Artest, Bynum (?)). After winning two in a row, it looked like the Lakers were pretty much untouchable for at least a few more years and you know the term "three-peat" was already getting thrown around. But before Kobe could even begin dreaming about getting "one for the big toe," the Heat landed an avalanche of talent.
Now you’ve got Chris Paul talking about joining up with Melo and Amare in the Big Apple. So, is this a new phenomenon? Sadly, I don’t have a ton of historical b-ball IQ, so I can’t say for sure. But it seems to me that this is a recent development. The Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, Celtics, of the last decade or two were built around one superstar, or two at the most. Toronto, among other teams, was still stuck in this old mindset (let’s forget the question – for the moment – of whether or not Bosh is even capable of being a franchise cornerstone) and kept trying to "build around" Bosh. While Miami correctly realized that one, or even two all-NBA-caliber players would not be enough to legitimately compete with the Lakers.
So what do you say GSOM? How much talent is too much? And how/can the Warriors go about getting themselves into the rarified air of having a crazy good team? To me, it looks like the Heat are poised to become the team of the oh-10’s. Say what you want about team chemistry; with the amount of talent that the Heat have, most teams are going to be rolled up and smoked by the Heat (that joke would have been way funnier if Beasley was still around, but oh well).
Now comes the hardest question for the Warriors. In order to form the Super Warriors, we will need to make some roster changes. That much is clear. But who should stay and who should go? Also, who would be the ideal addition (and let’s try to keep it remotely realistic here.
So here are my recommended 5 steps for the Dubs super team:
1.) Give Monta and Curry a chance to play together. These guys are both scary good at basketball. Granted, we may need to move Monta in order land a legit all-NBA talent, but I think you could also make the argument that retaining both of these guys will end up attracting more talent.
2.) Nelson must go. Defense wins championships. Enough said?
3.) Cross into the luxury tax. Cohan was a cheap bastard, making multiple moves designed to put money in his pocket. The luxury tax was completely out of the question. Although this is not a fool-proof solution (see the Spurs last season), it is a prerequisite for teams that want to compete for the trophy.
4.) Have a plan…complete with short- and long-term goals. I think we may be on the right path here, with the new ownership. But the Dubs have made some absolutely head-scratching moves (like blowing up the We Believe playoff team). If we can make the playoffs this year (a BIG if) and land a big name next year (or even the year after, since we are such a young team) then we are on the right path.
5.) Get a big, defense-oriented big. Beans is one of my favorites, I like the addition of Lee. But let’s be honest, we have a small backcourt, so we need a reasonably mobile lane-clogger to defend the rim and bang down low. I know, I know, every team wants one. But like an iphone, it’s actually a pretty awesome idea.
Whew, that’s a really long post!!
Thanks for sticking with me, now let’s talk about who needs to come or go in order to form the Super Warriors!
(sorry, I also had a bunch of pictures, but I can't figure out how to post them)
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2.) Nelson must go. Defense wins championships. Enough said?
No, outscoring your opponents wins championships, no matter how you do it.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
You say this will shore up Lebron's legacy?
His legacy took a major hit in my book when he proved he couldn’t stay with Cleveland, make those around him better, and incorporate draft picks/ trade pieces into the fold. What he did is called “selling out” and Jordan, Barkley, Bird, Hakeem, Dominique, Stockton, and a whole host of others never felt the need to do it.
Barkley was right when he stated that Lebron can win all he wants and he’ll never be at Jordan’s level. I will never see Lebron in the same light again either.
by SmittytheCutman on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, just go off some ridiculous metric(which involves listening to a career buffoon in MJ), instead of facts that suggest MJ was surrounded with a similar team to what LeBron did for himself.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Barkley was right when he stated that Lebron can win all he wants and he’ll never be at Jordan’s level. I will never see Lebron in the same light again either.
Agreed. for me it’s nothing about leaing cleveland. It’s about teaming up with proven winner in Wade and another all star in Bosh. He’ll never be “the man”
On the other hand
I’m all about players who would rather win championships than be “the man”. It’s how you actually DO win championships, for the most part
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
Clearly LeBron is not Jordan
But Jordan is the best ever. LeBron may become one of the best ever. But he’s not touching Jordan. I don’t know who believed that he would ever be as good as Jordan.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 29, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Truth is Lebron's style of play IS basketball
Players that can triple double means they are not ball hogs and can make an entire team better. The real reason MJ, Magic, and Barkley are complaining is an ego thing. Who wants to see LeBron win a ton of rings and eclipse the greats? If LeBron had joined the Bulls MJ would have been kissing his butt like no other and that is a fact.
Super Teams is super bad for sports
I would much prefer to see the leagues strive for parity amongst teams. The NFL seems to do this better than Baseball or Basketball. Parity means every year fans can feel reasonably good about their chances.
Also, don’t forget the Super team the Lakers tried to assemble (Payton, Malone, Kobe, Shaq) – that didn’t work.
by tjmax on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
False
The complete opposite has been proven true for NBA. Look at periods when league was most popular, big market dynasty teams were best
I don't think he's talking about how much money the league makes
but how interested fans are in their teams.
In baseball, a lot of teams fans are not really excited about an upcoming season, because they know they’re team can’t compete. Parity is the opposite of that.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
well, no
It’s because it’s baseball…..
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
by Rasputin10 on Jul 29, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who the hell cares what is good for the NBA?? Parity is good for fans.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 30, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
what is the most logical path for the Warriors to form a Super team of our own?
Switch to the D league. I’m pretty sure our guys would be above average playing there?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We should just quietly build a contender
Everyone in the league knows we develop some of the best 1-2 guard prospects. If we are smart we could develop and use them as trade bait to acquire position players we are not good at developing. SF PF C positions. We have Lee so SF and C is all we need. We should also think about building a deep team that way if we get in the playoffs and can compete with the elite teams then FA may give us a second look. I don’t think we need a big star we just need those underrated players that play like the big stars. I think things will look up because everyone is heading out East and the West teams are starting to fade fast, thus our time to rise with our youth is possible. I agree if we bring in a coach that can add a defensive element while still maintaining our scoring threat consistent would attract more FA. Nelson isn’t a guy that players go I want to move to GS to win a championship, Nelson is more of a happy go lucky type go for it all barrage shooting coach. If we want to have a chance to sign a lot of FA’s we have to get a coach that can work in a offensive and defensive system that is consistent. There are tons of coaches out there. I hope management is looking to lure one in for the long haul because Nellie can’t coach forever.
Stephen Curry needs to become a superstar, make his teammates better, and ultimately be the reason the Warriors win a lot of games. That’s the Warriors best way to attract other superstars.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami
People seem to forget....
That Bird and Magic had future hall of famers on their teams. Jabbar, Worthy, McHale, Parrish, DJ, etc… Super teams were all over the place until expansion diluted the NBA talent pool.
by warriorsablaze on Jul 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
+1
Not only the expansions, but also the growing number of unprepared or untalented players entering the league made the talent pool heavily diluted. One-and-done college guys drafted on potential only and immature high schoolers (before the one-year college requirement rule came around) quickly flooded rosters in bunches hoping to become the “next big thing” at their tender ages of 18 and 19. These guys usually ended up as busts and still take up huge chunks of the NBA payroll today.
My improvements would be
1. Fix the strength, conditioning and training system. There will always be freak accidents and injuries, but better performance in this area will add a couple of games per year, extend players’ useful lives, and build confidence in the organization among active players.
2. Stockpile second round picks. They’re good currency for trades, and as non-guaranteed contracts avoid the "locked into mediocrity’ syndrome that first-rounders can create.
3. Build personal relationships between management and players. See: Cleveland vs Miami, Toronto vs Lakers, previous Warriors vs ourselves. Pay attention to who your players’ friends are in the league. If, for example, dWade calls dWright his “little brother”, recognize that how you treat dWright is going to have an impact on how your team is perceived by top-tier players, even if he isn’t one.
4. Acquire smart players. If the choice is between solid talent with high BBIQ and potentially great talent with low BBIQ, go with intelligence. Intelligence will maximize athleticism – the reverse is never true. Smart players tend to have good fundamental skills, cause they see how it pays off. Smart players are obsessed with improving their skills.
5. Find a coach who wants to coach this team. Someone who sees the roster and knows he can add wins by developing the (hated word) potential. Someone who thinks these guys will be fun to coach and fun to win with. The holy grail would be a young Phil Jackson. If you have smart players, you need a really smart coach. Nellie was that guy once, mebbe, but not now. The odds are your coach was a rotation player who “got more minutes than he deserved” late in his playing career. Quietly ask around among the player-announcers. I’m willing to bet there is a guy somewhere in his early 40’s or late 30’s who fits that bill and that we’ve barely heard of. Doesn’t matter if we know him or not – what matters will be that the players play for him.
So looking at your 5 – does Monta fit the bill? He’s got half a season to prove that he does. Lee, Curry, and Lin clearly do; dWright, AB, Udoh, Reggie appear to; BWright I frankly can’t tell. The luxury tax is irrelevant until we have a reason to be there – and right now we don’t. Nelson will be gone inside a year at the latest. Smarter = better defense via better fundamentals. So I’d say a top-tier big is what’s really left, and yes, we need another one badly.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
Fix the strength, conditioning and training system
Good point!
I’ve thought this too, over the last couple of years.
Seems like our guys get hurt a lot, and hurt bad.
Especially remember Maggs last year with that stupid finger tape job (kind of shaped like a “V”)
all season long.
Warriors curse might just be poor strangth and flexibility training (or not enough of it)
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jul 29, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Warriors curse might just be poor strength and flexibility training
I honestly believe that’s a huge part of the problem. I go back to the ’blazer’s of the late ’70s, when they lost the best player in the game at the time. Walton left, suing over medical malpractice. A few years later….. Bowie.
Everyone likes to talk trash about Bowie over Jordan – heck, I did too at the time, even though it was a debateble proposition. But the fact remains that if Bowie had been healthy enough to perform anywhere near potential, this wouldn’t stand out as one of the all-time worst draft choices ever.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
Sadly, I don’t have a ton of historical b-ball IQ, so I can’t say for sure. But it seems to me that this is a recent development. The Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, Celtics, of the last decade or two were built around one superstar, or two at the most.
False all those teams had 3 all star caliber players. Spurs too. For the most part, they were all gained thru the draft though. It wasn’t like Boston or Miami thru free agency/trades.
What is this? A Marvel Comics movie??? defense and rebounding win championships...
Take Nellie out of the equation is the first step. Bring in a hard nosed coach who preaches defense and a winning philosophy.
This whole Miami Thrice thing won’t happen again in a long while but I do agree, the nee owners need to take risks and step over the salary cap in the future to land big talent, who will come here and make significant difference and fill in those gaps that we will be lacking.
Realistically, we gotta look long term. A west conference title is still years away and a title is no less than 5 yrs away, if you ask me. Build the team up gradually with savvy player moves and a solid coaching staff and upper mgmt.
We Believe!!!
SUPER TEAMS? HAHAHA
Look for the umpteenth million time LEBRON JAMES is not MJ and has no reason being compared to him. If any of you feel him going to the Heat tarnishes his Legacy you are sadly mistaken. We will finally be given the opportunity to witness his greatness this upcoming season as he will be able to be the playmaker he truely is, not the scorer we think he should be. The only player of our time who deserves comparisons to MJ is Kobe.
Lebron should only be compared to Magic and the fact of the matter is, Lebron is more talented than Magic ever was but Magic played his whole career with 1 or 2 HOF’ers at his side. 5 titles, only 1 without 2 other HOF’ers on the team. Wade is a future HOF’er and Bosh maybe.
As for the Warriors I think a Curry, Melo, Lee combo would be great to get but I’d have to ship Monta somewhere for a defensive minded 2 who is pass first but can knock em down when necessary.
Fail.
The only player of our time who deserves comparisons to MJ is Kobe.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Fail
The only player of our time who deserves comparisons to MJ is Kobe.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The only player of our time who deserves comparisons to MJ is Kobe.
Haha, this is a joke right? Magic was twice the player Kobe is and Lebron had the potential to be greater than both of them. Now he might be better but he’ll never be greater, listenin to his high school hanger on “advisers” has cost him his fan base. No one cares if he wins a dozen rings now, his loyalty to his roots has been broken, now we know that he’s no better than any other bling hustler out there.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus people
comparison
1. the act of comparing.
2. the state of being compared.
3. a likening; illustration by similitude; comparative estimate or statement.
4. Rhetoric . the considering of two things with regard to some characteristic that is common to both, as the likening of a hero to a lion in courage.
5. capability of being compared or likened.
6. Grammar .
a. the function of an adverb or adjective that is used to indicate degrees of superiority or inferiority in quality, quantity, or intensity.
b. the patterns of formation involved therein.
c. the degrees of a particular word, displayed in a fixed order, as mild, milder, mildest, less mild, least mild.
Which one of those definitions suggests that a comparison means 1 thing is better than another? The only player Kobe is like is MJ, I’m not saying he’s as good or better but it is a deserved comparison based on their style of play. If you can’t agree with that than you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
The only player of our time who deserves comparisons to MJ is Kobe
^ is not the same as
The only player Kobe is like is MJ, I’m not saying he’s as good or better but it is a deserved comparison based on their style of play.
You get that, right? In the first statement, you are claiming that of all the players in recent times, only Kobe deserves to be compared to MJ, which everyone on earth takes to mean that Kobe is much better than all other players who could possibly be compared to MJ. There really is no other way to interpret that statement, and certainly, not the way you are claiming to defend in your subsequent statement I quoted above. Saying that the only player Kobe is like is MJ, is not at all the same thing as saying no other players deserve to be compared to MJ – besides Kobe. You dug yourself into a hole. Instead of digging in deeper, why not grab a friendly hand and climb out?
by Evanz on Jul 30, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 30, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
MJ and Kobe are similar BUT
Kobe is faster than MJ
MJ has more hang time than Kobe
MJ has last minute game winning championship shots
MJ deserved everyone of his trophies
People are questioning whether KOBE or ARTEST was the real MVP of the series this year
I think MJ without a doubt earned his spot, but Kobe has many ???? marks behind his
At least they were both coached by Phil Jackson, he can handle the ego types like Kobe
and Jordan and use there strength on the court
they used to say the same about Pippen
Not a Kobe fan, but other than the last finals game I thought he did alot over the entire playoffs to improve his reputation in must win games – which all playoff games pretty much are. For example, against the Suns – everytime Suns made a run it was almost always Kobe who took control and made sure Suns wouldn’t win.
Again, Laker hater for life, but can appreciate his performance in the playoffs. Especially when compared to lebron!
also, Jordan has the advantage of being first
If they were to trade the years they were born – given the drive, talent, intelligence and star power both have – we may all be saying Jordan can’t hang with Kobe. The benefit to setting the bar super high is that it gets even higher in retrospect, and more so when it seems someone (Kobe, Wade, LeBron or whoever) starts to get close to it.
Umm
Jordan was way better individually than Kobe. And without Jordan, Kobe wouldn’t play like him. Kobe grew up watching tape of players, but mostly Jordan. They have such a similar game because Kobe copied Jordan. No shame in that- if you copy a player, you might as well copy the best player alive, especially one who is so physically similar.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Aug 1, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Jordan has the advantage of being first
well, first relative to KB, but MJ had to first emerge from the shaddows of Magic, Bird, and to a lesser extent Thomas to establish himself as the unquestioned best in the game at his own time before he could approach GOAT status … I am not an objective observer, but I think MJ would have been able to consistently frustrate and intimidate Kobe if they’d played against eachother much.
No way should Bosh be HoF.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 30, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
No way should Bosh be HoF.
How about the texas HOF along with the Geto Boys?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure let's do that one.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 31, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure let's do that one.
Ok, add gov. Ann Richards, jerry jeff walker, and nanci griffin and that’s all I got?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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There will be no extra point!
AJ Foyt?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I’m not much for auto racing, so I’ll let you make the call there…
Take home point: there have been many great people from Texas.
There will be no extra point!
there have been many great people from Texas.
Haha, Just like the Lakers. Bush had me wondering for a while about the status of Texas but I guess your list saved it.
Oh , yeah, Foyt was better than Bosh or Kobe.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Lebron should only be compared to Magic and the fact of the matter is, Lebron is more talented than Magic ever was
Whu?? Unless you define talent as pure athleticism and completely disregard things like bball IQ and fundamentals, you are completely wrong. Everything Lebron does is based on his superior athleticism. His elbow is out when he shoots, he has no post game despite being huge and strong, he constantly terminates his dribble before he has any idea what he’s going to do etc., etc, etc.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 30, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're confusing
talent with skill. Lebron is still refining his skills, but his abundance of talent has not been matched.
You can't quantify talent
and even if you could, it’s arguable. Ever heard of David Thompson? Incredible talent, and only remembered (if at all) as an object lesson.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
So talent is exclusively defined as a synonym for athleticism? I disagree. He is bad at a lot of things, which precludes him from being the most talented, or more talented than magic, in my opinion.
anyone who shoots with their elbow out should automatically be taken off any “most talented” list!
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 31, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this was a pretty savvy move by LBJ to shore up his legacy
I don’t think anyone ever questioned whether it was “savvy.” The issue was more that it was douchy, insensitive, primadonna-ish, wimpy and gutless. Heart, backbone, and balls are much more admirable traits in the eyes of most sports fans than “savviness.”
There will be no extra point!
How do we become a super team?
We can start by not spending huge money on non-impact players. Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle, JRich, SJax, Monta, Biedrins, Maggette, Lee.. all examples of how we throw our salary cap down the drain just to draft in the middle of the first round every single year.
Yes, you do need role players to win in the NBA, but you need a real core of legit NBA superstar(s) first before you commit salary cap space to filler players.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Jul 31, 2010 2:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We are very close
It all starts with the front office.
The front office choses who to draft, who to trade and who to sign which are the decisions that can create a Super Team. With Lacob and Guber taking over the team we’ve had a major improvement there.
Next we need a superstar.
Curry, Ellis and Lee are stars. Not supa stars. The remaining holes are at Small Forward, Center and possibly the Shooting Guard if Monta Ellis becomes ineffective due to his lack of size. We can aquire a superstar through trade but I don’t believe Lebron, Wade, Kobe and Dwight are going anywhere.
We can aquire a superstar through Free Agency. There’s alot of people saying that we should pursue Carmelo in free agency and that is a great idea as long as we dont have to put ourselves in the position where we get him or bust especially since the trendy thing to do with Super Stars is to sign with teams that have other super stars.
We can aquire a super star through draft. Of course this is all about scouting, what our record is at the end of the season and how the ping pong balls roll out if we are in fact in the lottery.
I don’t forsee the Warriors aquiring a super star outside of a draft miracle or a disgruntled super star requesting or requiring a trade.
Then we need a coach.
Being that it is highly unlikely we will get a super star, we need a coach that will stress defense and teamwork. The Rockets had two injured superstars in Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. However they made the playoffs in a stunning 20+ win streak with teamwork and defense. The Warriors will have better tools than the Rockets and be a super team if the coach preaches defense and teamwork. Don Nelson isn’t known for that style of play what so ever. It will be interesting to see if we get a new coach and what his style will be.

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