Legit Trade?
by kiwisaregreen on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 PM PDT
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PrintThis is my first fanpost and I thought I'd write about this interesting trade that I saw off of bleacherreport.com
Chris Paul is demanding New Orleans provide him more firepower to contend for a title or else he's threatening to abandon ship (sound familiar?) James Bondman, the columnist of the article, proposed a pretty good trade. For all three teams involved i must say.
Monta is a huge upgrade for the Hornets over Marcus Thornton. Brandon Wright should be a decent backup for David West at power forward, but I think he would be better off backing up Peja at SF.
Orlando gets CP3 and Okafor. The best point guard in the league paired with the best center should create some havoc for Miami/Lakers/Boston. Okafor will be the perfect backup for Howard. Or he can start and an Orlando lineup of Paul/Redick/R.Lewis/Okafor/Howard would be pretty sweet.
Last, but not least, the Warriors. We get Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter. Only problem is, Jameer Nelson is listed as 6-0. So playing against the Heat or Lakers, Wade and Kobe would have a field day against a GSW backcourt of Curry and Nelson. But other than that, Carter is a MAJOR MAJOR upgrade at the position we need to solidify the most and Dorrel Wright would provide decent SF backup to Carter. But i think with a roster of Nelson/Curry/Carter/Lee/Biedrins would give the Dubs a very decent chance of becoming the third, or maybe even the second best team in the West.
Of course, please keep in mind that this is my first ever post on this site and I do expect criticism, thanks for hearing me out.
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All i'm going to say is
the reason we want Monta gone is because of his defense. Well, he does suck on offense now, but it’s mainly his defense. This trade makes our defense even worse, so it’s an obvious no.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions
Orlando wouldn't want any part of Okafor's contract, not with Howard on the roster.
And as a Warrior fan I don’t want Vince Carter anywhere near this team.
Vince is not a major upgrade over anyone. He’s a thoroughly average player who is overrated because he scores a lot of points. But he does that at mediocre efficiency (TS% .537 career), doesn’t rebound well enough for the 3, and is fantastic at coming up small when his team needs him.
The guy is solidly hated by fans of teams he’s played for. He’s a 12-year veteran with a lot of games on the odometer, he’ll be 34 before the season is over and it seems likely that last year marked your typical late-career falloff (his shooting efficiency has dropped for the last three years. His reb/36 has dropped for the last four. There is no reason to think these trends won’t continue).
Already a famously lazy player, you can see his increasing laziness in his dropping FTA/36 (down for the last five years in a row) and his rising 3ptA – he shoots a ridiculous 5 per 36 minutes for a player who hits them at a .367 clip. He doesn’t want to risk contact, so he settles for jumpers.
And as a Warrior fan I don’t want Vince Carter anywhere near this team.
I would trade Monta and Vlad for him, but that’s it. Mainly for his expiring contract.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The main problem is that it doesn't address our needs.
A quality backup center is far and away our greatest need. A quality backup PG is still our second biggest need.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
Another great player, at any position, is far and away our greatest need.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
By cutting out the middleman and snagging CP3 of course. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Cash for Gold!
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Gooalllll!
too funny. But yeah, in a heartbeat.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
Legit Trade?
Legitimately fantastic for the Magic, legitimately godawful for the Warriors.
Carter is not a “major major” upgrade on anyone. He’s much worse than Corey Maggette. He’ll turn 34 next season and is falling off a cliff. He was absolute garbage for most of last season, including (as always) the playoffs. Nelson is OK, but he plays the one position at which we’re set; and as you point out, he’s 6-0 on a good day. We really don’t to be getting smaller.
Meanwhile, we fritter away our last semi-valuable trade chip and further deplete our already thin front court. And the rich get richer: Orlando, already the best team in the deal by far, end up with the only two players in the trade worth a damn, including a legit Top 5 NBA Superstar.
If NO is willing to give up Chris freaking Paul, plus a legit young C in Okafor, for Monta Ellis and Brandan Wright, why on earth would we involve Orlando? Come clean now … are you a Magic fan?
There will be no extra point!
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Note #1: Brandan.
Note #2: Bleacher Report? If you want to earn any respect on this site, try to refrain from linking to that silly, silly place.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 29, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well there was pictures of girls on the side, so I guess it wasn’t an entire waste of time.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jul 30, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
True, though I’ve heard mention that there are other places on the internet for such things.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2010 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually think it's AWFUL for New Orleans
They can get much more for Chris Paul.
you are wrong on Okafor though. T hey want to dump him IF they let CP3 go, because of his contract. He is overpaid, though a valuable player. If you are willing to go into luxury tax he is way more valuable, otherwise in a year or 2 he is crippling
I actually think it’s AWFUL for New Orleans
Well yeah … that goes without saying. Everyone gets totally hosed except the Magic, who make out like grizzly bears at the buffet table.
you are wrong on Okafor though.
Er, how’s that? All I said about him is that he’s a legit young center. Beyond that, I agree with your take. He’s basically a salary dump; but unlike other recent salary dumps we’re taken on (Crawfish, VladRad, Bell, Gadz, Bell) he’s also a very, very useful player, especially for a team as thin up front as we are.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
How would this benefit the NO, as they are the main reason this trade will go down. They obviously, like all teams in the NBA, want to become better. Needless to say….CP3+Okafor>>>>>>>Monta+Wright+filler+filler. I don’t comprehend the logic behind this trade for any team but the Magics.
by waterbottle415 on Jul 29, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions
In typical Bleacher Report fashion
This trade fails: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23kf4ux
This trade works and is slightly better for us, and makes a little more sense for the Magic:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e2xh34
W’s get: Carter, Gortat
Magic get: CP3, Okafor
Hornets get: Ellis, Wright, Anderson, the festering corpse and expiring contract of Vladimir Radmanovic, whatever picks
Good God, I’m writing a comment about an article from bleacherreport and posting trade machine links. I need to get off the internet.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
Haha, I hear you. Before you get off…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2aht4sg
Screw Orlando.
Paul / Curry
Curry / ReggieW
DWright / ReggieW
Lee / Udoh (Tolliver for the time being)
Biedrins / Okafor
I mean, at least that’s a nice fantasy to go to bed on. G’night kids!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Any GM who could pull this off
deserves a statue and a lifetime retainer.
Potential is what you pitch when you have low current value.
Almost certainly not. But then from the perspective of the Hornets, it’s no different from the nonsense Bleacher Report “story,” with the minor subtraction of Ryan Anderson — a solid young player, but not likely a deal-maker or deal-breaker. If we throw in a first round pick (something you do gladly if you’re getting a young superstar like CP3) that should more than cover the Ryan Anderson shortfall.
Somewhat more realistically: I’d probably trade Curry, Wright and our expirings-palooza (VladRad, Gadz and Bell) for Paul and Okafor, if NO would listen…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant Brandan, but either works (though by rule we’d have to wait a couple of months before trading Dorell).
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
No Carter Please!
Also, how is Wright going to be “better off” backing Peja at SF?? Wright never played outside of paint in his life! BleacherReport is getting worse rep by the minute.
Jeez People
There’s no need to make moves for the sake of making moves.
The W’s have ZERO need for a starting PG. They have Curry.
The W’s have ZERO need for Vince Carter — he’s virtually done. Maybe two years left at 25mpg.
Monta is not worth that much (that much meaning Nelson and Carter). Monta is only worth trading + another player, to get an All-Star or near all-star player. Say Monta + 1st Round pick for Mark Gasol.
its not going to happen...
so i don’t even feel like having an opinion on it, lol
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
I really don't understand the bleacher reports trade
Seems like we give up all the good stuff, ie monta and brandon wright so Orlando gets Chris Paul. Just an excuse for a trade as supposedly their CP3’s top choice. Considering all Orlando contributes to New Orleans extra is Ryan Anderson and a late first round pick, if we wanted to be in on this trade we may as well cut out Orlando.
The hornets can trade to who ever they want, CP3’s not a free agent.
We could we just offer Curry, Wright and or Expiring’s for Paul cos no one wants to end up with Nelson and Carter.
Tho to be honest I’d be hesitant to let Curry go.
stupid trade
Please use your brain before proposing such ideas.
VC is waaaaaaaaaaay overpaid and at the end of his career.J. Nelson is smaller than our other guards and ain’t no thing on D. BAD IDEA
I want to see Monta and Stef develop together over a season or at least half season.If it works I think Monta can rack up points like he did with Baron (very efficiently),if not deal him at the trade deadline.The trade idea with Memphis to get X. Henry is not a bad one.
Dr. Jeff
Word!!
Monta for Granger would be great
Pacers may be stoopid enough to bite on this (I mean, they took Dunleavy AND Murphy off our hands…thanks guys!)
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jul 30, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
We just traded Maggette
because he’s a big contract and he has no place in our future plans. Picking up Vince would be a wrong, bad, terrible move for the same reason. He has a big contract and doesnt fit our future plans.
Nelson doesnt improve our backcourt, actually makes it worse in my opinion. If this was the direction we wanted we could’ve just kept Maggette and Monta and been better off.
Since the Hornets are getting most of our pieces in this trade anyway, if we were going to make this deal, dont you think we would just go after Paul instead of Vince and Nelson?
Good first post but the more you think about this trade, the more it just doesnt make sense for the Warriors.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jul 30, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions
Oh and
as long as we are considering making moves for older veterans who dont fit our future.
I say we make moves for J-Rich!!
by WestCoastWarrior on Jul 30, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
word
J-Rich > Vince Carter
why? better three point shooter, much better attitude, one of the best Dubs of all time, would actually be happy to be here, less ego
Either way, I’d be okay with this mid season if our current roster doesn’t work out. Let’s see how the current starters gel first.
JRich is a much better player than 2010 Vince Carter, and four years younger.
I still don’t covet him that much, but I’d probably trade Monta straight up for him. He makes us bigger, more efficient, better at rebounding, and gives us a ton of flexibility going into next offseason. Not sure if or why Phoenix would go for it, though…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah but
JRich is no better than Monta, as far as our team goes. If we upgrade the SG position we need:
a.) a legit all-star caliber guy (even if it takes more than just Monta to get him)
b.) lock down defender with decent (at least) offense
nothing else would really serve to improve the team IMHO
Well, based on last season’s production, JRich is a significantly better player than Monta. Beyond that, he’s an expiring contract, which theoretically gives us more flexibility to go after the “legit all-star caliber guy” we all covet. I don’t love the deal, as it basically amounts to a salary dump, but I’d probably do it. Really depends on how well you think Monta can rebound from last season’s craptacular performance. If he can get closer to his ’07-08 form, he not only helps us win games (making us a more appealing destination for all-star caliber guys) but also increases his trade value. Win-win.
In any case, it’s hard to come up with reasons why Phoenix would do it. I think they’d probably prefer to let JRich’s contract expire and take inventory for a full rebuild starting next Summer.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 30, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
let's add a 4th aspect
Trade VC/Jameer for Carmelo/Nene.
Boom:
Curry/ Pargo
Williams/Bell
Melo/Wright
Lee/Udoh
Beans/Nene
That's a good one BUT
I wouldn’t do the Monta deal unless it was agreed upon already with Denver for that deal which looks impossible by the way. IF our ownership could pull that of they are magicians.
I would keep Monta because with a lineup
Curry
Monta
Wright
Lee
Beans we could go playoffs final seed or better
Monta is young and packaged together could net us something big. I would rather keep him because if him and Curry play it smart the will be a lethal duo. We’ll just wait for the right trade to come along, no need to force it for Jameer and VC.
Dude Don't Suggest !Stupid! Trades Any More!
Not that I’m not for a Trade Of Monta! But For Once Can We Win in A Trade & Get The Better Of It!? Vince Carter is A Shell Of His Former Self! Curry & Nelson in the same back B•tch Please their 2 Small together this is the West! Give me Granger or Mayo & Gasol & Henry!
Bleacherreport is silly, and this trade would never happen for all sorts of reasons. But I’d move Monta and BWright for Jameer and VC in a heartbeat, and I’m Brandan Wright Fan #1.
Sure, the fan part of me is very fond of Monta and hates VC. But at this point, Monta’s a bad contract and VC’s an expiring. We’d get a massive trade chip, and a much cheaper combo guard than Monta in Jameer Nelson. I’d hate to lose BWright, but in a world where you’re paying David Lee through the nose, it doesn’t make sense to be precious about him. Honestly, that trade would be a no-brainer for us in a world where it could happen.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
Silly trade,
both of them. I’ve never been big on VC regardless if it frees salary cap, and I don’t like Jameer Nelson. He is always reluctant to turn the corner and attack the rim. He’s strictly a point guard who can not man the 2. Why would you want Nelson on your team who probably demands 30+ minutes a night, when you have Curry who is a much better player? Horrible trade.
Bleacher Report = Garbanzo Beans
All of those trades are RIDICULOUS.
I am still not convinced with these trades (realistic trades)
I’d agree we give the current 10-11 roster a shot, Monta should bounce back and I think we have a legitimate chance to become a young, good team. I believe we can get more trade value for Monta next summer and with new owners and a decent team will probably a destination other players will finally want to join. Amen to the end of the Cohan era!
even when vc was in his prime
he was not a pretty sight to behold. I think Barnett put it best several years ago when he said “He appears to have no idea what he wants to do when he drives into the lane”. His dunks were amazing but everything else was ugly; soft play, off-balance ugly jumpers, no defense, stupid look on his face as well. I’d rather have JRich over VC any day, any year.
Goal: 8 seed!
If we’re giving up enough for OKC to give up Paul why not just take him? Paul and Okafor would help this team a lot more than Jameer and VC
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
by sam23 on Jul 31, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed.
why pry the most valuable player (in this trade) free & let another team walk in & scoop him up. I lived in New Jersey during VC days w/ the Nets. He’s a good player except during big games. I’d take him as a bench player but wouldn’t rely on him as a starter unless the other positions were just loaded.
i like the idea of going after Xavier Henry or Jordan Crawford.
With ATL we could take Marvin Williams and his unwanted contract off their hands if they package him with Jordan Crawford and his attractive Rookie Contract. We could offer them expiring contracts or Monta.
Check out these Jordan Crawford highlights. He’s not going to get to the rim like monta but he has legit NBA range.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XejLyk3kJZg
no good
we would be leaping 3 steps backward with a trade like that and totally throw a wrench in the rebuilding process
KeWzEe
one of the worst trades I've seen
I’m assuming this is guy hates the Warriors to even consider this seriously.
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