Warriors Close to Shipping Randolph for Lee.
That is a distinct possibility depending on LeBron James’ decision tomorrow. Multiple sources told me the Warriors have an offer on the table that sends forward Anthony Randolph and other pieces to New York in a sign-and-trade deal for Lee.
If LeBron announces he is going to New York, in order to make room for his max contract, the Knicks would have to renounce Lee to free up the cap space. That would end the sign-and-trade possibility and the Warriors’ chances at Lee. But if LeBron doesn’t say the Knicks when he announces his decision …
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Seems to be pretty big decision for the outgoing FO to make. Not sure I like this. On one hand, Randolph has much more potential than Lee, but on the other hand, there’s no guarantee he can reach it. At least with Lee, he’s proven. I’d love to see the new FO and coaching staff with this young core. I guess I’m 50:50 on this one.
WHY NOT MONTA???
I HATE DON NELSON , COHAN, AND RILEY. Just sell the team.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thompson says the following in the article:
I have not confirmed who the other players are, but the obvious candidates are center Ronny Turiaf, swingman Kelenna Azubuike and forward Brandon Wright.
Even Thompson can’t spell “Brandan” correctly.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
interesting!
so including money, they could send out Turiaf? Leaving the warriors with 1 center, Wright leaving the warriors with what, 2 PFs? Udoh and Lee? Kelenna? leaving the warriors with just Reggie Williams for the 3
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
They could give them Radmonivic and keep talent dude
Beyond Lee for AR the rest is purely speculation. I doubt we give up both Wright and AR
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
the speculation is
Rad’s expiring (6.9 mil) + Randolph (2 mil) + filler of around 3-4 mil (turiaf or keleena)
Yea, i highly doubt it's both AR and Wright
that’d be just crazy
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
No offense, he never came across as the smartest person.
I seriously doubt his abilities as a writer and reporter as well, but i like him personally.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe he forgot how to spell Wright's first name
after spelling Brandon Roy and Brandon Jennings during the season.
lol
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Cmon, cmon, why can’t they accept Monta isn’t that good, and we were better without him….god dammit warriors…god dammit.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions
Of course.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind
Both Randolph and Monta for Lee.
Lee is better than Randolph now, and there’s no gurantee that Randolph will ever be on Lee’s level, and Monta’s overpaid. If we’re going to pay someone that much (probably 5 yrs/60 mil) why not have it be someone who helps a team win?
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
Are you kidding me?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
He was a LOT more before this offseason…
But yeah, Monta’s overpaid.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
Yeah, he’s not very good and makes $11 million per year.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
he’s not overpaid. You just bought into the Monta smear campaign.
by Montaytotherim on Jul 7, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You are so ignorant. Why not listen to what we say once in a while.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
We're only trying to help.
"We didn't win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad,"-KNBR caller.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually after watch all these new contracts Monta is pretty cheap!
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Duhon isn’t making all that much.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Pssshhh
I’ve been on the front lines of the Monta smear campaign for a while
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
Are you trying to prove my point
Because that graph shows Monta’s serious flaw as a player.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
yeah
but in no way is he overpaid compared to GSOM’s favorite guards like Iguodala, Westbrook and Rose.
by Montaytotherim on Jul 7, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF? Rose and Westbrook are on rookie contracts? And Iguodala is a much much better player than Monta Ellis.
by WYK on Jul 7, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, they are going to get paid much more than Monta
No he’s not. ESPN highlights don’t make him a better player.
by Montaytotherim on Jul 7, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you watch too many highlights
Iguodala is an absolute shut down wing defender, something Monta will never be, and even by your own graph he scores more efficiently than Monta. He’s also a much better and much more willing passer.
Westbrook is similar to Iquodala. He kills opposing guards with his D and drops dimes, and he’s still on his rookie contract.
I don’t really like Rose too much, and he’s going to be horribly over paid on his next contract, so I’ll agree with you there.
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+1
I don’t really like Rose too much, and he’s going to be horribly over paid on his next contract, so I’ll agree with you there.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't get this, do you?
There’s a limited number of possessions in a basketball game. On average, the Warriors (who play the most) played about 100.4 per game, so if Monta uses 25.8 (FGA + TOV is a quick shorthand for possessions used), and only gets 25.5 points. Is is any wonder that the Warriors offense played MUCH better when he wasn’t on the floor?
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by philthiest on Jul 7, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, no wonder because he played retarded minutes and the 3 minutes he was off the floor, the opposing team was either getting blown out or were blowing us out.
by Montaytotherim on Jul 7, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Please re-read what I said.
Has nothing to do with on/off times (though that’s a real problem too…), it has to do with him taking waaaay too many shots, turning the ball over waaaay too many times, and not sharing the ball enough. Monta’s KILLED the Warriors last year. However, he scored a lot of points, so that means a lot of dumb front office people might still value him and we should trade him while his value is high.
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Since it’s a sign-and-trade, Lee would have to want to come here, right?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2010 3:33 PM PDT reply actions
he'd have to sign off on it, yea
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yes
And i think this is a big factor. Knicks like our offer because of expirings (for 2011) and some young talent/bench players. If they get Lebron they need to fill out the roster.
Flip side, Lee has made it clear, he wants to go somewhere he is desired.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
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The only part about this trade that I don't like is the money that is going to be involved.
Talent wise, I think it is very fair. AR could be great, but we don’t know if he will be and Lee is pretty good right now. He’d be a perfect compliment to our other lanky bigs and already has played in a similar system. I don’t like giving up AR but you got to give something up to get something back.
the cash though is a huge concern. I don’t know if I would want to commit that kind of money to Lee for 5 or 6 years when we don’t know if this is going to be a good team next year. This would really limit our flexibility going forward.
agree
Lee > Randolph right now. Randolph > Lee based on potential. But I would rather save on Randolph for the next two years than pay $10mill+ for Lee starting this year. We’ve already got Beans and Ellis on big time contracts (although those deals aren’t looking so bad now) and just got rid of Maggette’s. Why add another big one now? It’s not like Lee is the missing piece on this team.
Totally.
On the other side though, if this team is healthy, and Beans comes back to form and we can find someone to play the 3, then this all of the sudden becomes a very deep team with an incredibly dynamic back court and a guy who can rebound and score down low. Could be scary.
Not a bad deal
We are trading a potentially good player for a 20 and 11 all star who fits in an up tempo system
by SmittytheCutman on Jul 7, 2010 3:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly and we still have Wright and UDoh. Its a GREAT!!!! trade
I’m tired of baby sitting freakin headcases like AR.
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You're...
…hardly the one doing the “babysitting.”
You're...
… hardly not the one doing the “babysitting.”
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Jul 7, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone of the warriors kills me on the Defensive end
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
um, wouldn't they be trading away the bad defense for more bad defense?
i wouldn’t say they’re adding “more” to the problem
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
is a MUCH MUCH MUCH worse defender than AR
by Montaytotherim on Jul 7, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
AR's a good defender?
That’s news to me.
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Didn’t you see him shut down Kevin Love and Luis Scola?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw him jump for every pump fake his rookie year
And only every other pump fake his soph year. Improvement! :P
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 7, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldnt know, i don't watch Lee play
i just watch Randolph… And obviously he can block and is the scrappy rebounder… i thought they’d also add Vlad to the deal?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Leei is one of the worst post defenders in the league, so I’d give Randolph the edge on D, definitely…
Lee guarded Centers. He will now guard PF's.
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee is one of best rebounders in league
and a consistent one. He also has a good 15-18 footer, and averaged 3.6 assists last year. I love David Lee
rebounding is defense
I’m finw w/ Biedrins and Lee getting EVERY defensive board… searching for a legitimate perimeter defender
Lee is a worse defender...
…than Randolph, and at his current age it’s not impossible that Randolph could improve at that end. He has the body, length and athleticism for it. You already know what David Lee will be, and defensively it’s bottom of the barrel.
Something that also bears mentioning- if Don Nelson is still our coach next year, does anybody seriously believe Lee will play exclusively power forward? He’ll sop up minutes at center while every big man in the league leaps over his head.
Lee is a worse defender…
…than Randolph
Since when? Have you seen Randolph try to defend? What metrics are you basing that on. Randolph is always out of position and goes for the block rather than actually guarding. I don’t think it is clear cut at all that Randolph is any better a defender than Lee.
have you seen David Lee try to defend?
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by Reverend_Randy on Jul 7, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't he the first Knicks all star since houston? or who was it?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Riley for GM of year
Seriously how can you not like this? an efficient 20/10 PF who averaged over 3.5 assists. Ultimate team player, hard worker, and from looks of contract…. 10-12 mil a year? SIGN ME UP!
Marcus Thompson live on KNBR to talk about the Lee for AR trade!
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oh... thought it'd be sooner
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
What is not to like
David Lee is very athletic too. People really underrate this. 32.5in vert. 3.19 3/4 court sprint.
Finally a player with substance, talent, and grit. Bring it on!
They say he is awesome in the pcik and roll which will be awesome with Curry.
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Can...
…one be both a gritty player and an abysmal defender? Those two usually don’t mix. He’s a dominant rebounder, and that’s a phenomenal asset. His offense paired with Curry would be exhilarating as well, but he’s sooooo terrible on D. When you consider that rebounding is already one of Randolph’s strengths, and the financial hit you take with Lee, it’s a little less obvious.
To answer my...
…own question – people would always call Sam Cassell gritty. Probably just cuz he was old and good at the same time, though.
Only if
It is AR, turiaf, and azubuike. Throwing bwright into that as well is to much. AR has the CHANCE to be a good player but it is unproven, Lee is proven so do it.
I wouldn't want to give up both Buike and Turiaf
I think AR, Radmonostitch, and either Buike or Turiaf would be bearable.
I’m a bit leery with giving up a combination of Randolph, Wright, and Turiaf or Azubuike just for David Lee. It weakens our 3 and 4 positions considerably and pretty much leaves us with no bench. This is clearly a “win now!” move with no guarantee that the final result will get us into the playoffs, much less contend for a championship.
But, it’s better than trading Randolph for Al Jefferson I suppose. If we can send them Monta and Vlad Rad instead of Wright and Buike, sign me up.
would they have enough money for a FA?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I love Turiaf
but based on our needs right now, I would rather trade:
AR, Radmonostitch, & Turiaf
rather than:
AR, Radmonostitch, & Buike
Since it sounds like they want Udoh to play some 5. Trading Buike would leave us real thin at 3, unless we bring in a quality starter.
There is no question that Turiaf should be going before Azubuike. We’d have Lee, Gadzuric, Udoh, Wright and Biedrins inside and we’re lacking at the small forward spot.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming AR, Rad, & Turiaf
Leaves us:
Curry / CJ?
Ellis / Morrow
Buike / Williams
Lee / Wright / Udoh
Beans / Udoh / Gadz
This looks okay to me. But if this were the case and we lost Turiaf, then the Kenyon Martin for Beans & Gadz becomes super scary. If Lee goes through, then I hope the KMart deal dies.
I would still be sick though
but it would be bearable…
Until we start seeing the Stat and AR highlights from the Knicks….that’s going to be dynamic!
I dunno I can see ego’s clashing between those two… but could be epic as well.
by FeartheBeard4 on Jul 7, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats where UDOh comes in handy
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT UDOH'S HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS TURRIBLE!!!!!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Hopefully it's not the Bell Injury
That required surgery and 4 months…we shall find out soon enough.
Ya he'll miss all the games in July, Aug. and Spet. Big loss, huh?
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point
Whatever it is, hopefully they act fast.
do we really know the extent? Like for sure??
or what? and i’d say it’s a big loss
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Warriors don't understand the meaning of "D"
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
If this goes down, the Warriors are going to regret it. Why get a power forward who is 27 when the rest of our players are much younger. By the time Curry is at his peak Lee would be useless. Warriors front office is a joke. They have no concept on how to build a team properly.
by SuperStarAR on Jul 7, 2010 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not seeing AR with Curry for a year
Would be the biggest regret for me. I feel like we need 1 year with that tandem before the jury is out on AR.
by m3dynam on Jul 7, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Curry is what? 21, 22. Randolph is a year younger than him! Let’s see if these guys can be the cornerstones of a franchise. We all knew Randolph was a project. It takes a while for bigs to develop. The front office wants to give up on Randolph after 2 years in which he really only played 1 full season (didn’t play much his rookie year but came on at the end and last year he played 30 somewhat games and got injured). This is idiotic.
I HATE THIS!
HURRY UP AND SIGN WITH THE NETS LEE! I DON’T WANT YOU! DO NOT MAKE THIS TRADE LARRY “DWARF FACE” RILEY! SORRY RILEY I HAVE TO SAY THAT IF YOU’RE GOING TO BE A DOUCHE LIKE THIS!
by duballers23 on Jul 7, 2010 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
what you have somehting against players with talent and heart?
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If Lee comes to GS, I’ll be shocked. Not a lot of players want to play for us, just putting it out there. I’m sure NJ knows they ain’t getting LeBron, so hopefully NJ signs Lee. It’s close to NY too.
Why would NJ want Lee
They just drafted Derrick Favors
Cause Favors really sucks. Have you watched him in Orlando. He is a major project
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
They have real interest in him
He’s been linked to them a lot as well as Chicago and Minny.
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
THIS MAKES NO SENSE!
WTF RILEY! YOU WANT TO F*** UP THE SALARY CAP FOR US BEFORE YOU GO DOUCHEBAG! YOU’RE GOING TO TRADE A GUY THAT IS ABOUT TO TURN 21 FOR A 27 YEAR OLD WHO CAN’T PLAY DEFENSE, AND WHO THE NEW FRONT OFFICE IS GOING TO WANT TO TRADE IN A COUPLE YEARS ANYWAYS? I CAN’T EVEN EXPRESS HOW FRUSTRATED I WILL BE IF THEY DO THIS! THIS IS WHAT WE F***ING GET FOR BEING THE MOST LOYAL FANS IN THE NBA?
by duballers23 on Jul 7, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
take a valium or have another sip of your purple drank
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 7, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I get it.
He’s doing it on purpose cause he’s upset…
I just thought his keyboard was broken.
DUDE WHAT THE FCK?
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
by ejdacanay on Jul 7, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
PLUS DAVID LEE WAS A LITTLE B**** TO CURRY WHEN CURRY SWATTED HIS S***!
by duballers23 on Jul 7, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
LOL true
I’m sure they’re both over that now
PFortyy :)
'11 Champs!
yea... that was quite a while ago...
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5361665
HE BETTER PICK A DIFFERENT TEAM TO GO TO! I DON’T CARE IF HE HAS THE SAME BIRTHDAY AS ME, I DON’T WANT HIM FOR RANDOLPH!
LISTEN UP!
If any one can say they love randolph and wouldnt want him to leave, its me, But open up your damn eyes and see what in front of us right now, if the Knicks put this deal on the table, we take it. Look, Randolph is a very exceiting player, but thats about it..he hasnt done much, hes is too skinny, and i dont think he can hold it down as a starting PF. Im tired of watching the exceiting Warriors running up and down hittn three’s and still losing. i want to win, and i dont think randolph can do that for us, well he hasnt proved it yet. Now if we gave up Ellis, who would we have at SG? Morrow might not even re-sign, Azu is injured..so RW is gunna play SF…does that mean Bell would be our starting SG? If that was the case we would have 4 SF’s, now if we give up Randolph..as hard as it may be.. We now have 4 locked spots, Curry, Ellis, Lee, and Beans..who WILL be himself again, so what if he cant shot free throws. I hope we give up Radman with the deal..wouldnt mind Azu on top of it. Think about it, the Dubs wont be a team that all reportd talk shit about anymore..also it allows free agents to be more open to comming to play here, one of these free agents SF’s would be honored to have the starting role on our team.
curry/watson/bell
ellis/morrow/(please re-sign)/bell
a free agent/williams
Lee/udoh/wright
Bean/gadzuric/udoh
That lineup...
…I boldly predict will compete for one of the worst defenses in league history. Assuming they all stay healthy.
Marcus Thompson is giving me hope
I still think this David Lee stuff has a slim chance of happening. What happens when Nets come hard after Lee?
I don't know really,
pretty much 50/50 on this one..
not sure how good David Lee will do for the Warriors..
7
I like how people are excited
A slightly improved Troy Murphy…. you guys will be begging to get rid of David Lee mid next season I bet.
this is tough
First off, Randolph is one of my favorite Warriors. He has huge potential, and when he wants to be,has been pretty special here. Injuries haven’t helped. With more weight/muscle and work on his post game, this guy could be scary soon. However, I would give him up for David Lee. I live in the New York area, and have a brother in law who is a die hard Knicks fan. David Lee is a beast. The guy runs the floor extremely well, has some range and has a uncanny knack for finding the ball.I personally witnessed him crush the Warriors a couple years back. Plus the guy never had a bad attitude and was a NY fan favorite. I always hoped we would be able to pick him up somehow… this is our chance.
Everyone has crushed the Warrior
Chris Duhon has crushed the Warriors as a bull..
valid point.
I guess it comes down to:
Lee- 20/10
Randolph- ?
If Chad Ochocinco and Jared Dudley are lying, then they are going to have a lot of people in New York really pissed off, and they could potentially be in danger when they go to New York (No joke. New Yorkers can get crazy). I don’t know why they would want to f*** with people like that. That would bhe really wrong and messed up if they are lying.
...
If Lebron really told Ochocinco anything it’s his own damn fault. lol
Can anyone name me one thing AR does better than Lee?
And if you say defend, you haven’t watched AR defend enough…
Block shots is acceptable, but you’ll have to prove to me that 2 extra blocked shots per game is worth the better scoring and rebounding Lee brings.
The only other two things are he’s younger and cheaper. But, you will have to tell me what are the odds that Randolph reaches Lee’s level of production by the time we have to give him an extension.
I’m all ears to be talked into why this is a bad move, but I’m having a hard time seeing it just yet…
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I forgot to mention
Randolph also turns it over more.
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Here's a Per36 of Both using Career Averages:
Points:
AR: 18.5
DL: 15.5
Rebounds/Offensive
AR: 11.1/3.9
DL: 11.5/3.4
Blocks/Steals
AR: 2.4/1.3
DL: 0.4/1.0
Assists/Turnovers
AR: 1.7/2.5
DL: 2.3/1.9
Lee projected 2010 Salary: ~13 Million
AR projected 2010 Salary: ~2 Million
Defensively, I have AR a little better than Lee, but it’s not significant. As it stands for a 36 minute average. You will be gaining .4 Rebounds, .6 Dimes, and .6 Less Turnovers with a swap of AR and Lee. You will be losing 3 Points, .5 Offensive Boards, 2 Blocks, and .3 Steals. AR has been apt at drawing charges too.
So, will a trade of AR for Lee be worth it? I don’t know. We haven’t seen AR scathe his potential yet, he’s still 20 (21 in a week) while Lee is entering/is in his prime. I would stay pat on this deal imo and see how AR does in summer league and early in the season.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
by ejdacanay on Jul 7, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 7, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Career points/36 is slightly disengenuous
Or, at the very least, only telling half of the story. You left off two numbers:
FGA/36:
DL 11.3
AR 14.9
TS%
DL: .600
AR: .512
You can’t tell me that AR is a more efficient scorer than Lee.
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by philthiest on Jul 7, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Werd, i forgot FG%'s which I left out as well as FGA's.
Efficiency, goes to Lee, there’s no arguing that. He takes 3.6 shots less and shoots roughly 9% better than AR. Digging deeper I also find that:
FT’s Taken/36:
AR: 5.3
DL: 3.9
PER:
AR: 18.71
DL: 22.28
Lee is ranked 14th in PER, while AR is ranked 40th. AR was the most efficient player on the Warriors last year. AR was also more apt at drawing fouls, thus the higher FT count as well as the drawn charges I mentioned earlier. Even with the efficiency taken into consideration, I still would not do the deal based on youth, salary, and the potential of AR.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
A few more points
Per 36 numbers are great and all, but they’re dangerous with someone who has played as little as Randolph. Last year, Lee played nearly 1200 more minutes than Randolph has his entire career. Basically, we know that Lee’s numbers are indicative of his true talent. With Randolph, we’re just hoping.
Also, Lee has played 81 games each of the past three years, and his numbers last year were with him being the Knicks top option offensively. Randolph, in his two seasons, hasn’t played many games and has been wildly inconsistent in his scattered minutes. It’s not completely his fault that he’s playing time has been so sporadic (injuries, coaching, etc.), but that causes me to put much more faith in Lee’s numbers.
One more thing, here are BB-Ref’s Win Shares and Wage Of Wins’ Wins Produced per 48 over the past 3 years for Lee, 2 for Randolph.
Randolph:
WP/48
08/09: .172
09/10: .163
WS/48
08/09: .069
09/10: .098
Lee
WP/48
07/08 .307
08/09 .285
09/10 .275
WS/48
07/08 .151
08/09 .154
09/10 .163
By both of these, Lee has been an amazingly productive player (league avg. for all those is .100, by the way). The odds that Anthony Randolph is ever as productive as Lee is now are pretty slim, not to be too pessimistic.
However, I did somehow overlook that AR gets to the line more than Lee, and my original question was name one thing Randolph does better than Lee. So, you answered that. Kudos to you, sir.
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by philthiest on Jul 7, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randolph’s career numbers vs Lee? Lee was still in college at randolph’s age and wasn’t nearly the rebounder he is now. Point being, he got way better. the fact that it’s remotely close in per36 should be very concerning especially wieghted with an additional 10million+.
EVEN WITH LEE THIS TEAM DOESN’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
by Balance on Jul 7, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Straight up AR for Lee I don't mind
But it obviously wont since money doesn’t match.
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Think about it like this
Why would Lee pick to be s&t to us when we would have Wright and Udoh waiting in the wings? He could possibly go to New Jersey, who has a similar situation with Favors, but Lee would get way more playing time with the Nets because Favors is about to be 19 and has a long learning process he needs to go through, and Wright and Udoh are going to be 23 when the season starts. Also, Kris Humphries is the only other power forward on the Nets roster. And why in the world would LeBron now think he would have a chance to win a championship in the Cavs with the Heat and Bulls getting stacked up now? LeBron can’t carry the Cavs to the Finals with the team he has now, especially when Wade, who I think is right up there with LeBron, now has Bosh and who knows who else they’ll sign. The Bulls look like contenders now, and the Celtics and Magic are still going to be at the top of the East. Even Atlanta looks better than Cleveland with LeBron on the team. If he goes to the Knicks, they can sign Felton/Miller, Haywood, and trade for someone like Arenas. Felton/Arenas, Miller/Arenas, James, Stoudemire, Hawood, with Galinari off the bench looks a lot better than Williams, Parker, James, Jamison, Varejao, with Illgauskas off the bench. That Cavs team has proved that they can’t win it all. That Knicks team looks like it can stack up pretty well against the big dogs of the East and potentially the Lakers and the top dogs in the West.
I would regret losing Randolph's talent...
…but come on, how many times have you seen a guy with “unlimited potential” ever suddenly just get “it” if he hasn’t really even shown signs of it in his first couple years?
Maybe playing for D’Antoni will help Randolph, I dunno, I still love his potential, but if he hasn’t gotten it yet, I think I would much rather have Lee here for the next several years rather than wait for Randolph to blossom 3-4 years from now.
Come on guys, do you really want to see the Warriors just be mediocre for the next 3-4 years until Randolph develops, if he does at all? A David Lee would be great for us, he will do what we need (someone that will go after every rebound and make space in the lane). Sure, a pure post-player like Boozer would have been better, but Lee aint half bad.
We need to be patient with Randolph. Let him get another season or two before deciding to ship him out. Getting Lee would do what for us? 40 wins? 45? Not getting to the playoffs with that and definitely not winning a championship. In the short term gain of Lee vs long term of Randolph is worth the risk.
I repeat Lee will NOT get us to where we want to be. There is no guarantee Randolph will either but he has a chance at least to be special.
I really hope
we keep Randolph. The guys is only 20 yeras old and we are just gonna give on him? David Lee is a good player but he won’t get us to the playoffs. I would rather us develop our young guys and lose 60 games than have Lee and have 38 wins which is mediocre
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by VonteegoCummings on Jul 7, 2010 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
WTH
REALLY RILEY? REALLY? WHERE WAS LEE AT AR’S AGE?
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I don't understand...
how can NY demand Randolph? They have no leverage in this. This is a terrible freaking trade. I hate it. There is no way Riley should be talked into giving up AR. Lee is a UFA and can bolt NY without the Knicks getting ANYTHING. How does this happen? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Can’t this front office leave already.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 7, 2010 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Great point
I think the problem is that it sounds like the Knicks have multiple offers. I do think 3 stupids to describe Riley is being kind. He has made one move that improved the talent of the team (drafting Curry), which a 6th grader could have handled once Minnesota screwed up. I just hope New Jersey gets tired of being on the sideline and makes an offer to Lee. The new front office should decide who the team invests a 6 year deal in.
by Mullin4HOF on Jul 7, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what leverage do the Warriors have?
you’re right, Lee is unrestricted. The only reason he would agree to s&t with the Warriors is for the money.
If this trade goes through, regardless of if it is a smart move, it is going to be incredibly frustrating. Hell, this rumor is right now. It is very upsetting that we have these players we keep picking (really just Wright and Randolph) that look promising and then cruel twists of fate keep them on the sidelines even though by now we really should have a good idea at the type of player they could be. I really just don’t like the idea of trading Randolph with him still being such a big unknown, I know it is what you have to do sometimes, but I (and a lot of other people I’ve seen comment these past two years) really felt Randolph was going to be something special. Udoh’s injury today was very frustrating too, it feels like things are falling apart (a bit).
I will say that if it is Azubuike or Turiaf, especially Turiaf, I will be extremely happy about this deal. I really don’t understand why Buike and Turiaf are considered as equal to Randolph, but that would be an incredible deal in my eyes.
I’m ok with Lee for Randolph as long as it does not include Turiaf and/or Buke. Is it possible that they include Radman, Gadzuric and Bell instead then perhaps get Lee w/ Chandler? Otherwise, losing Turiaf and/or Buke will be a deal breaker. Those are two of our best defenders. How about Lee for Randolph and AB because I think Biedrins has regressed ever since his injury.
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