Steinmetz: Lee Deal a No-Brainer for Warriors
If the Warriors can acquire David Lee from the New York Knicks for Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike, they should do it.
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I don’t think Lee necessarily makes the Warriors a playoff team, but you would think he could help push them toward .500
Why make the trade if that’s all you can hope for?
yeah
why improve the team at all. Winning isn’t everything.
by Number22Drew on Jul 8, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He makes a good point though when he said that he doesn't think we can get back to the playoffs consistently until we reach respectability.
I have said before that I think we should stand pat and build through the draft, but that could take a long time and involves a bit of luck, which is something the warriors are not blessed with. I think that if you can add Lee without giving up Monta, you have to seriously consider doing it. A happy monta and a Curry-Lee pick n’ roll combination is a nice starting point. Maybe if we win a few more games and with new ownership, people will want to come play here.
by won't stop on Jul 8, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
thank you for saying everything I was thinking, but didn’t say in my sarcastic post
by Number22Drew on Jul 8, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
A happy monta and a Curry-Lee pick n’ roll combination is a nice starting point.
It’s a nice starting point, but I’m worried these are mutually exclusive (i.e. you cannot have a happy Monta if Curry is running the P&R).
I’d give up Monta in a second for a quality big man. Absolutely. Then we can package Randolph with Turiaf & expiring contracts for Iggy or something.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
because we can improve towards five hundred if the team happens to be healthy
i want to see what i have before letting it go
LOL Steinmetz is getting so desperate
He wants the Warriors to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade.
All we have to do is stay healthy next season and we’ll be fine, I don’t get why the Warriors would trade Randolph who’s 6 years younger than that glorified Troy Murphy anyways.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 8, 2010 10:32 AM PDT reply actions
where do people get the david lee is troy murphy comparisons? Is it because they’re both left-handed and white? David Lee is much more athletic and plays stronger than Murphy.
by FeartheBeard4 on Jul 8, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
Any player that win the McD’s All American slam dunk contest over James “Flight” White, can NEVER be considered “Non-Athletic”.
Wow...
I never thought I’d see the day I agree w/ Steinmetz, but If takes an inconsitent AR, and injured Buike, and Expiring like Rad? It’s something that has to be done.
I have to agree with you
it’s not like it’s an easy decision, giving up Randolph is tough, but it’s more likely that he doesn’t live up to expectations than does. Everybody forgets that he was a late lottery pick and that he’s never put a full season together in college or in the pros. So we have the chance to send him to NY for a legit post scorer? I say do it. It doesn’t solve everything, especially defensively, but this move improves the team.
by eastbayglory on Jul 8, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Improve the team by a bit
then hold us on salary cap lockdown for the next 6 years. Yeah thats really smart thinking. Plus add in the fact that he’s a defensive liability and boom. We will probably NEVER go deep into the playoffs or reach the championship with Lee. Has anyone thought of what happens after we sign Lee? I don’t think so.
How are we on salary cap lockdown?
Lee is going to get a 5 year / 60 million dollar deal, a pretty good value considering all the recent signings. The Warriors will then have Ellis, Biedrins, and Lee locked down. Much better than last year this time when they had Ellis, Biedrins, Maggette, and Jackson.
by eastbayglory on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Lee is going to get a 5 year / 60 million dollar deal, a pretty good value considering all the recent signings.
Where did you get this number? I heard it was 13M starting (and probably escalating).
If we can get Lee for 5/60, I’ll learn to do backflips over the summer and sprint onto the court on opening night and do backflips until they arrest me.
Which is my way of saying that he’s probably going to get paid much more than that.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I've heard and would expect 12-13 million per, maybe escalating
but it will not be anywhere near Kawakami’s original 90 million rumor. Unless New Jersey gets desperate for being left out of the big names and breaks the bank.
by eastbayglory on Jul 8, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless New Jersey gets desperate for being left out of the big names and breaks the bank.
From what I hear, they have a really big bank… one that would be hard to break.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
True but they both bring different things on defense...
Randolph is a shot blocker off the weak side, but can’t defend his own position @ 4, much less 5.
Though people look at this trade as us gaining a weaker defender, Lee’s “beef” as Riley would put it makes it less likely for player to get deep position in the first place, even if he isn’t getting the near 2 Bpg that AR was.
That, combined with our added Defensive cog in Udoh, who should be an upgrade over anyone else on the roster means we’ve pretty much improved our roster’s post D over last year. Or at least, that’s the way I look at it.
Oh and don't forget that...
Rebounds are part of defense. Proper blocking out and not allowing those 2nd and 3rd chances like we did last year.
oh so your saying biedrins has defense then?
cause he rebounds but yet i hear his defense is terrible?
He is a post scorer?
i never saw him score off a post move unless it was against us
Ya
I’m skeptical about this one (especially the money part) but I think you got to do this one.
Although I like Steinmetz.
I guess I’ll be happy either way. I’ll be happy if we improve the team, and I’ll be happy if we stand pat, save money and see what we have.
What did all three bring to an NBA team last year?
by eastbayglory on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
what did lee bring to the knicks last year?
oh yeah he got amazing stats on us who doesnt?
and yet the knicks lost big to us. what an impact.
Are you not aware that the team was selling any and every asset they had for pennies on the dollar just to get out of their self imposed salary cap hell?
Are you not aware that when you’re selling anything and everything, you’re team is going to suck and have zero talent?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
David Lee is the reason the won more games than the Warriors last year
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
David lee
his numbers were so inflated nobody else was going to score for them we have so many options here he wont make an impact what so ever and no actually david lee was not the only reason gallinari made his impact duhon did to even al david lee was not the reason. his impact on the wins was in equal value with the others.
Curry on our team was the reason we won as many games as we did because he carried this team and the d league pick ups. Lee doesnt get that credit. They won more games then us because they are in the eastern conference they don’t play the lakers as much the suns as much. The spurs as much denver as much. Warriors in the eastern conference would actually be fighting for the eight seed.
nobody else was going to score for them
And yet, he still scored efficiently. Amazing!
They won more games then us because they are in the eastern conference they don’t play the lakers as much the suns as much.
You’re right. They only had to play the Celtics, Cavs, and Magic. Plus, they didn’t get to play Minnesota, us, or Sacramento as much. It cuts both ways dude.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Another Excellent Article by Steinmetz
For everyone who thinks that Lee is a poor defender remember that he was forced to play center for the Knicks nearly every game last year. If he plays PF for the Warriors he will be a much better defensive player and I would expect his rebound numbers to stay at approx 11 a game.
There has also been a shift of some big PFs in the West conference moving to the East which should improve our record even more. When I think about it he will be the best all around PF in the West except for Pau Gasol. (I did not include Dirk as a PF)
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
dirk is a pf so yeah randolph on memphis is better than him an all star last year to ohhhhhhhhh
should warriors get him to since he was an all star
Here's the real question
This trade is going to happen if the Knicks lose out on LeBron. This scenario is basically Armageddon in Knicks land. Heck, their stock rose 6.5% yesterday on the hopes that LeBron might sign with them. If he doesn’t, their stock is going to tumble, their fanbase is going to be depressed, and their front office is going to be in crisis mode. They are ripe for the picking. On top of that, they’ve just signed an all star at Lee’s position. Suffice to say, they’re over the barrel here. If they want to get any value out of Lee, their only recourse is to S&T him.
Do you think they make this trade if they weren’t pushed so far over the barrel? There’s no way in heck that the Knicks trade David Lee who’s just hitting his prime for a completely unproven player and expiring contracts. For that reason alone, this is obviously a good trade for the Warriors. This smacks of a Gasol style trade. Now, Lee isn’t Gasol and Randolph isn’t Crittendon, but we’re also not throwing in 3 draft picks.
Finally, Lee has only played 368 NBA games. That’s almost 300 fewer than LeBron James. He may be older, but he doesn’t have the wear and tear on his body that a Chris Bosh has. He should still be able to contribute until an older age than these young “one and done” guys.
This is going to be a big increase in overall talent on the Warriors basketball team. I am going to miss Randolph, I wish him the best, but he wasn’t working here and there’s absolutely no guarantee he was ever going to work here. Even if he gets his act together elsewhere, that by no means implies that he would have been successful in a Warriors uniform. He seems to me to be the type of guy that will greatly benefit from this learning experience and a fresh start. Even if Randolph does become a great player, this is not a bad trade as we are getting a really good player in return. At worst, this is a slight loss, at best this is a huge win. Randolph was never going to make us a contender by himself. Neither will Lee. But if Curry progresses like he did last year, Monta accepts his off the ball role, and Biedrins returns to form, adding the best P&R big man in the league is going to make us a very, very dangerous team.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Great read!
By the way, I am going to be in Boston the last week of August. Can you recommend bars/pubs to visit?
by insanenthemembrane on Jul 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
what kind of bars/pubs?
what part of town are you going to be in?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
best pick and roll big man?
no amare is that. We were dangerous scoring already scoring was not the problem our problem was stopping people. Randolph wouldnt work because of Don nelson. Not the same talent but even when don nelson was not coaching ar in the summer league he would dominate. Why because he wasnt worried about making one mistake and being pulled out for a few games.
I would rather take murphy. He gets just as many double doubles and he can hit the three. same defense as lee and at much less per year. David lee will be making 3 mil less than Lebron and wade and bosh. Wow almost as bad as amares max contract.
Who is going to be the backup center? turiaf was a perfect backup and brought us the energy. His impact was not so big because we had to put him in the starting role to much. Bukie is a great role player and from what he has said he is healthy and feeling good both knees. I am not willing to trade three players for one. Let me see what a healthy warriors team does before trading for someone who will not help at all. David lee no defense. He can score big deal who can’t on the warriors. Even biedrins can average 15 here when healthy.
no amare is that.
Arguable. Fact of the matter is that David Lee scored more points per possession in the P&R than anybody last year… working with Chris Duhon. Amare had Steve Nash working his P&R. So, yeah… Lee scored more efficiently with a far, far worse P&R partner. I’ll take my chances.
We were dangerous scoring already
Not really. We scored a lot. That doesn’t mean we did it well. We played fast, which makes it look like we scored more.
same defense as lee and at much less per year.
Ummm… no.
Who is going to be the backup center?
Gadzuric will play back up center. But, seriously, which position is more important to a basketball team, starting PF or backup anything? You’re seriously suggesting that we shouldn’t make this trade because we’d be losing our backup center?
His impact was not so big because we had to put him in the starting role to much.
I just don’t know what to say here. His impact was lessened by starting and playing more? That does not compute.
Bukie is a great role player and from what he has said he is healthy and feeling good both knees.
Yeah, again. Back up. And not even a big, he’s a back up SG. That’s easily the easiest spot to fill. Heck, we could grab the top scorer in D League and he’d do an admirable job (Hint: That’s how we got Kelenna in the first place, that’s how we got Reggie, that’s how we got CJ).
He can score big deal who can’t on the warriors.
Yes, Monta can score a ton. Unfortunately, he can’t do it efficiently. Biedrins can score efficiently, unfortunately he’s useless outside of 3 feet and can’t spread the defense and open up driving lanes. Lee can score, score efficiently, and score from range well enough that the defense has to honor it and open up driving lanes/passing lanes. Is this really so hard to comprehend?
Even biedrins can average 15 here when healthy.
When has he ever done this? He approached 12 at his peak. That’s still well short of 15. Unless he picks up a jump shot or Curry becomes a master P&R orchestrator, Biedrins will never score 15ppg. And if Curry becomes a master P&R conductor, Lee will be a far more effective pair than Biedrins.
Again. All we’re giving up are bit pieces and unfulfilled potential. All we’re getting back is an efficient volume scorer who’s a vacuum on the glass. So what if we have to pay appropriate value for him. That’s just more money that’s being put to good use that our FO can’t screw up.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok i will only respond to one of your arguements cause the others are laughable
you say we scored because we were fast so your sayign since lee is coming we will slow down? lol we will still be the same offense who can score at will but not stop anyone. Gadzuric? lol wow yes i really want to rely on him backing up the center spot. Also no our starting pf was going to be brandon wright once again a young potential filled player. What is wrong with waiting to see what the warriors have? we are not going to contend with lee we wont even make the playoffs. Let me see what a healthy team can do and if it doesnt happen by the trade deadline then i will give up.
Why do the warriors have to win now we have been losing for years with far less talent. Now we have talent that maybe we can grow to be great and we want to get rid of it to trade for a 13 million a year no defense PF. The thunder let there talent grow and look what they did. I take my chances. if it doesnt work then go ahead and let them go. I would like to see them play before tossing them away. Don nelson wont be here forever and with a new owner i would not be suprised if he was gone sooner rather than later
plus no i am not saying dont make this trade because of back ups if it was one player for one i would do it not three for one unless its a superstar
also notice how you said top scorer out of d league well that is the problem all we have is scorers no defense geez
Or because....
Not the same talent but even when don nelson was not coaching ar in the summer league he would dominate.
Yeah, and Belineli’s summer league dominance really showed in the NBA as well. Summer league is summer league. AR dominated summer league because he was so athletically dominant compared to the other players. It is his athleticism that makes everyone like him, and he knows it, and he relies on it. Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown the mental awareness or fundamentals to be able to compete at the NBA level.
How far can athleticism alone take a player in the NBA? Look at how many pump fakes AR falls for and how lost he can get on defense. On offense he has a tendency to become a black hole (1.7ast:2.5tov per 36), no post game, a “meh” jumper, but he did improve his FT significantly. AR can rebound, but Lee does as well, and actually better than AR per36. AR does get blocks, but they come from the weakside. I would not say AR is a better defender than Lee.
This all comes down to if you think AR can reach his “potential” because frankly Lee is simply better than AR almost across the board right now. Can AR finally put it all together and become better than Lee? I really don’t think we can say either way right now.
Who is going to be the backup center? turiaf was a perfect backup and brought us the energy.
Turiaf also looks very good in a suit, because that’s likely where Turiaf will be for half of the season.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on Jul 8, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
um did bellinelli ever get a chance to play here either?
no why don nelson. Supposedly he could not play defense well who can here. Also the pump fakes? yeah young player he is maybe we should actually get a coach who cares about the defensive side maybe ar learns to not fall for that. his jumper was getting better. AR did great when he wasa confident. It is hard to have confidence when your coach would slam you in the media and then give you playing time maybe once every three games. He has potential yes. I have no problem seeing if he can become really good. Lee is not going to make us a playoff team or a contender. He wont make us better on defense.
I hate losing but honestly i would rather see what i have before i let it go. I see everyones points but one thing is that lee wont make us a winner. if were going to pay 13 mil to a player i want a player who will automatically make us a playoff contender. not a player who can improve us a few games because health can do that.
Also one last thing who is to say lee doesnt get hurt then what? i say let the young talent get a chance
Turiaf played good the first season here last year he was hurt but so was everybody else you can’t say for a fact that he will be out all season again. because then i can say that about everybody who was out last year which means the lee trade is even worse. What about b wright the guy we traded j rich for.
Beli sure made us miss him with his awesome performances in Toronto....
I just don’t think AR can ever live up to the hype the Warriors fanbase has bestowed on him. Could I wait for him to develop? Sure, but I still wouldn’t mind the trade for Lee and still have the young guys in Wright and Udoh.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on Jul 8, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head.
A smart mans view of the situation. Dubsfan? Did you learn anything?
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this is not there team damnit they will be gone when the new owner gets here ugh just get troy murphy for much less. Same player except murphy can shoot the three. 13 mil a year great. B wright should be traded then because he was suppose to be starting. trade everyone while your at it. Three players for a stat inflated third reserve all star. great. Biedrins and lee in middle lol terrible. Would not be suprised if ellison pulled out his bid after this.
Dude you are tripping
The value of this franchise has nothing to do with an unproven late-lottery pick, a back-up center, and a rotation wing player. Lee is not Murphy, they are completely different players. Do you watch basketball?



























