Anthony Randolph + Kelenna Azubuike + Ronny Turiaf to New York Knicks :: We Hardly Knew You: A Quick Look at 3 Golden State Warriors on Their Way to the Big Apple
by olympicmike on Jul 9, 2010 1:33 AM PDT
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PrintBig trades usually bring mixed emotions. A quick look at the comments in Atma's earlier post will give you an idea of the wide range of reactions among GSoMers. So before I try to break down the trade and what we have coming our way in David Lee, I want to take a minute to look at the good (what they can do), the bad (what they can't do), and the beautiful (what made me love these guys) of three Warriors we've all spent a ton of time watching over the last few seasons.
It's okay AR, you aren't the only one who wants to cry.
There are plenty of GSoMers who will miss you.
ANTHONY RANDOLPH
The Good
The man can rebound the basketball. On a team that rebounded like the Warriors I think that counts for double so... The man can rebound the basketball. He didn't get consistent playing time but he managed to pull down 11.1 reb/36min during his time with the Warriors.
Though often misguided and out of control, AR was an explosive defender. You could never be sure whether he was going to land on someone or get the nasty block, but the effort was there and he has the tools necessary to become a very good defender someday. You expect a 19 or 20 year old to look lost at times playing defense in the NBA, and Randolph was definitely in need of a search party from time to time, but I think he showed promise on the defensive side of the court.
The Bad
Some of you might be surprised not to see me mention AR's sweet handles or mid-range game in the "good" section. Well don't worry, they will make an appearance in this section. Does Randolph have good looking handles for a man his size? Yes. The problem was that he more often used them to get himself into trouble than to put the defense at a disadvantage. His stroke was inconsistent from anywhere outside the paint with the exception of a nicely developing elbow jumper. The problem here is the same as his ball handling in that he lacked the judgment necessary to take advantage of his skills on the court.
Thanks to this his scoring efficiency was well below average and he had more than his fair share of turnovers. He was not a safe option on offense. His maturity was also called into question on more than one occasion. I don't like to speculate about stuff like this, but he didn't seem like the most emotionally stable player on the court and it wouldn't seem so far fetched to think it may have been an issue at practice or in the locker room. Could he put it all together someday? Maybe, and that brings me to...
The Beautiful
Puh, puh, puh, potential. The guy is dripping with it. He has the kind of athleticism that just doesn't come around that often. He has enough skills to pair with that athleticism that you almost have to ignore the actual on-court results and replace them with what we wanted to see. He did average 20 & 11 with 5 blocks this year right?
KELENNA AZUBUIKE
The Good
This guy was a great find out of the D-League that came along during a great time for W's basketball. He was an efficient scorer with a deadly three point shot, a decent mid-range game, and the ability to finish strong at the basket when presented with an opportunity. He was a well rounded role player that did everything reasonably well. Well, almost everything.
The Bad
Despite putting in a consistent effort, Buiike struggled defending out on the perimeter. He was hampered by repeated knee injuries during his time with the Dubs and it really hurt his lateral movement. I saw waaaayy too many blow-bys when Kaz was on the court. If he guessed wrong on a play he had no chance to recover. To his credit though he was a much better interior defender as he showed against Kobe (and others but that game sticks out in my mind) when he tried to isolate against Buike on the high post and at the elbow extended. Kelenna was good at using his strength and reach to disrupt his rhythm and challenge his shot while staying down on fakes. He was also a very good weakside shot blocker for a SG, and earned quite a few highlights that way. Hey, how did the "bad" column get so good?
The Beautiful
The smile, the consistency, the fact that we got him dirt cheap out of the minors. What's not to love? He had his limitations but he worked hard on his game, had a good attitude, and won the hearts of many a Warrior fan. It's really a shame that his most recent injury was so severe. I really hope to see him make a full recovery and play in the league for a long time to come.
RONNY TURIAF
The Good
Turiaf was a great shot-blocker for us. He played defense with intensity and challenged every shot within ten feet of him. He played solid post defense using his body well to keep good position. He was a great passer for a big, and it was no rare occurrence to see him set up a teammate and immediately run down the court howling and pumping his fist ready to play some D.
The Bad
For all of his charm and enthusiasm Ronny just couldn't pull down rebounds at an acceptable rate for a big man. It was to the point of being a liability, especially on a team where he was often the only true big man on the court. His defensive intensity also led to a lot of fouls which limited his minutes and helped to get the opposing team into the bonus sooner than they should have. On the offensive end of the ball his great passing came at a price. He was so passive that he would regularly pass out of scoring opportunities, and seemed more comfortable pulling up from 15 feet than he did converting near the rim.
The Beautiful
Maybe it was the reality of a heart condition that nearly stole his career (or more importantly his life) early on that helped to put things in perspective for him that whatever the score, whatever his stat-line, whatever the team's record, he was playing a game and he was going to enjoy the heck out of it. He always seemed to be the ultimate teammate and was a pure joy to watch, whether he was on the court or cheering from the bench. His passion was contagious and I'm sure his presence on the team will be missed.
Good Luck in NY
All in all we are losing three fan favorites, but we are gaining the best player in the trade. Usually when you can get the best player in the deal in the NBA you 'won'. There is always the chance that Randolph will live up to his potential and become something really special, but the likely reality here is that we gave up three complementary players. At this point these are the kind of guys that round out a team's rotation. I'm sure the folks in New York will drool over AR's potential, eat up Ronny's antics, and hopefully get a chance to appreciate Kelenna's rock steady game, but I think the sting of what we lost today is more sentimental than detrimental to the team. Not to say I don't have concerns about the trade, I do, but we'll save the other end of the deal for another day. Tonight, I just want say thanks for the good times and best of luck to three of my favorite Warriors.
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I can understand why people would do AR for Lee. But we gave up too much, we went from a potentially very deep team
PG:Curry,Williams
SG:Ellis,Ammo
SF:Buike,FA
PF:AR,BW,Udoh
C:Beans,Ronny,Udoh
To this
PG:Curry, ?
SG:Ellis,Ammo
SF:????
PF:Lee,BW,Udoh
C:Beans, ????
We lost defense in Buike and AR and left holes up front and at SF.
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
by dubzfan on Jul 9, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Put Reggie at SF on the 2nd team
But still, he’s more of a guard than a SF
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
All three players are hardly defensive stalwarts
plus they’re all injury liabilities. That second team looks just as strong as the first, even stronger. Udoh will be used as the back-up 5 and Williams will be the back-up 3. Hopefully another SF signing is eminent.
The 1st team is much deeper
AR and Ronny were great shot blockers and Buike was solid on defense.
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Everyone on the team is injury prone
That should be obvious
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
u forget bell morrow and williams and mid level exception free agent and gadzuric
we still have the mid level exception that will be a small forward, childress’s name is being thrown around, morrow and williams will rotate at 2 and 3, bell will play defense on the other teams best player and gadzuric will be a decent big and a prized commdity with radmonovic with their expiring contracts, we’re still gonna make a move, this lee trade was GENIUS!
How did we go from
PG:Curry,Williams
SG:Ellis,Ammo
SF:Buike,FA
PF:AR,BW,Udoh
C:Beans,Ronny,Udoh
To this
PG:Curry, ?
SG:Ellis,Ammo
SF:??
PF:Lee,BW,Udoh
C:Beans, ??
You take off Udoh from being a thrid string back up, Williams from being a back up PG (also we have Watson), You put FA in the first line up when its still very possible we get a FA for the 3. Makes it seem like we lost half our roster haha. Basically we got stronger at the 4 weaker at the 5 in terms of depth. Kelenna was about to become a big part of the Warriros but the injury took him out of that long time ago.
Azubuike's knee is 60% at best, he's whole patella was absolutely destroyed, he probably wont play 20 games this year, we didnt lose much in him, and AR was in no mans land too many times on defense
and he’s a free agent next year, we didnt lose much in him, he’ll be back next year when he resigns with us, he already said he wants to come back to GS, and Ar’s potential may win in 3 or 4 years but we’ve made the playoffs once in 16 years, dont you want to win now? i know i do, Lee was a great trade and deal for the DUBS
I agree because I’m not really trippin’ over the loss of Turiaf. I’m fine with our big men being Biedrins, Gadzuric, Wright, Lee and Udoh. Azubuike has one year left on his contract and is coming off of major knee surgery. I know the small forward spot is thin, but I am confident we can use our MLE to sign Howard, Childress or Brewer or somehow acquire one. So, in the end, I thought it was a pretty fair trade.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 9, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gaz is awful
Have you ever seen him play? It’s a tough call between him and Mikki Moore.
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
DOES IT MATTER? GAZ WILL BE GONE IN A TRADE
he’ll be gone in a trade with radmonovic for a decent 5 or a 3, he was a key part of the maggette deal
We have four big men better than him, though.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 9, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Knicks fan here..
You guys just got one hell of a player in David Lee. He hustles, has soft-hands, great team-mate, not the greatest defender, but tries and I promise you will love him in Golden State, I look at the trade as of right now even, but if Randolph can live up to his potential, then maybe I can agree you guys gave up too much…we will see.
Another Knicks fan here
Agree with this. DLee is going to be missed in New York but the feeling from both sets of fans seems to be that we got a good deal out of this.
But as Phil says, you will love him. He works on his game constantly, has developed a great mid-range jumper, shoots with both hands and is an all round nice guy. Can’t defend much tho’ ;-)
I s’pose what we’ve traded for with his reliability and professionalism is potential with some risk.
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
And I think that’s what we all need.
You guys, rebuilding around Amar’e and D’Antoni, got potential, energy, and some guys who can excell in a fast-paced game.
the Warriors, trying to go back to a slightly more traditional lineup, got a hard-nosed all-star rebounder with no questions about his health, attitude or potential.
I will greatly miss all three of those players, and losing AR is a huge pill to swallow (until I remember that, if he’s ever going to be great, it is more likely to come under the tutelage of Amar’e and D’Antoni than the Warriors. So I’m happy for him). But I think this is a win-win for both squads.
The idea of Amare Randolph is very intriguing
Especially considering most teams don’t have legitimate centers and if you can get Tony Parker.
Parker, Gallinari, Chandler, Amare, Randolph… thats a team i’d pay to watch. Probably a bottom seed in playoffs depending on depth. But the excitement factor, playoff push would put you in position to be appealing to Carmelo
Do you think there is any validity to Tony Parker coming?
THATS A BIG IF
randolph had some games where u went WOW :) and other games where you went wow…:( he had 20 and 20 against dwight howard and then 7 and 3 vs jermaine oneal, its too much of a roller coaster, i wish him the best of luck, he has great potential, but potential wins minds not games
it was 28pts 13reb
And it was a month before he tore his ankle
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 9, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, valid point
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 9, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
A couple things I would add
Randolph’s beautiful – He played with a fire, with a passion. He threw himself after the ball without hesitation and without fear, albeit sometimes recklessly.
Buike’s bad – That knee injury. I hope he returns to his old form, but as of right now, that’s a big question mark.
Buike’s beautiful – A great D League call-up story.
Turiaf’s bad – Like Buike, his knee problems. Maybe it got better this summer by not playing for his national team. That was another big question mark.
Turiaf’s beautiful – That he put a lot of effort into mentoring Randolph so he can see and play the game the right way.
Hey, wait a sec. Both Turiaf and Randolph will still be together in NY. Turiaf’s mentorship of Randolph will be all that much more important for Randolph’s adjustment to a new team.
I'll miss that about AR
How he always dove for everything, even flipped over peoples back and did some thing you’d be impressed with watching gymnastics
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Randolph needs to become a professional team player, and not just an exceptional basketball player
Randolph’s career will decide the winner of this trade
"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see."
- Thomas Jefferson
yeah.... and
amfeny randolph needs a LOT more bbiq— @ lease higher then rain man level
he could be another of these guys w/ tons of “athleticism” who is still dumb as a rock
ANY QUESTIONS???
The good thing is that we still have a young PF in Brandan Wright.
He better step his game up and save us from this mess.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 AM PDT reply actions
I suspect the move is a strong indication of the FO's belief in Brandan Wright
(for better or worse)
That looks like it too
These last two years, when BW was healthy, he was always ahead of AR wasn’t he?
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 9, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
uh huh sure.
He can’t even saves himself with his weak productions. lol
wut?
People have clearly forgotten what BW brought to the floor in his long absence.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 9, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Liked this article very much and couldn’t agree more with what you wrote about each of them.
"It really is a choice of whatever rotten fruit you fancy least." (Kelly Dwyer about NBA Franchise owner)
you guys are so lucky
as a die hard knicks fan, i just gotta say you guys are getting one hell of a player. he may not be as athletic as amar’e, but he’s got good work ethic, and a crazy high b-ball IQ. they say he’s lacking in Defense in the low post, but look who had to defend 4 times each out of the year, Shaq, Dwight Howard, and Kevin Garnett. his lack of D was because of his lack of size, nevermind the fact that he was our starting guy in the 5 the past 2 years. and from what i’ve heard he’s learning to shoot from downtown?! jealous. you guys won’t be disappointed and i cant wait til the warriors come to the garden so the crowd can give him his props. it’s just sad that he has to leave from the team that nurtured him cuz of the nature of the business, but what can you do.
he gets better every year and flies low under the radar. what more could you want?
So no one thinks Nellie stopped AR's development
I think in Mike D’s system he will thrive and on days when Amar’e doesn’t cry about playing the five spot, a line-up of Stat, AR, Galo, Walker and Douglas will score on ANYONE. Just won’t defend but blame that one coaching
I don't know what you are talking about...Coach Nelson is great at developing big men.
Sincerely,
Chris Webber
What we know and what we don't could both be at work in our favor ...
We Know
NYK fans have known all along they were losing Lee, either to FA or S&T, and had already come to terms with his departure while GSW fans who still hoped AR had a red cape and would be our superstar are in reaction mode. NYK fans got something rather than nothing for Lee, and one wonders if the Knicks wanted to have something to show Thur night when they didn’t land the big banana. AR does have the potential to be something special and that gives them reason to stay hopeful along with having secured Amare.
Playing behind Amare in NY, AR isn’t likely to get much time but if NYK’s plan is playing him alongside Amare the two could be pretty dynamic. Bottom line, we got the best player in the trade and the trade will help us compete.
GSW fans might consider that all the off-season moves have to be considered in context, that moving Maggette’s contract allowed us to go after Lee, and drafting Udoh also gave us depth to move both Turiaf and AR in the same deal. The offseason is not over and more can be done to fix the roster.
We Don’t Know
Hopefully, we’re not done yet so we should suspend all the handwringing that this deal doesn’t solve all our personnel problems (which we all know are too numerous to solve at once). Sure, if we don’t get a SF we’ll still have a flawed roster, but as so many have pointed out we might use the MLE or make another trade using the expiring contracts etc.. (Personally, I’d like us to try to get Howard). And a flawed roster with a SG playing SF is not as bad as playing Maggette at PF.
Lastly, we don’t know what we don’t know. I agree that the new ownership/FO should have a chance to remake this club – but consider two possibilities: (1) that process might take much longer than we think – do we want GSW to sit on last year’s roster and do nothing? (2) maybe the likely owners are involved? We don’t know if the probable new ownership isn’t being consulted. We do know that the only spokesperson lately has been Riley and all the other major FO folks have been silent for a long stretch now. Maybe, just maybe, Riley is working under some umbrella of consultation. And if so, wouldn’t it change a few people’s perspectives if this move or others were done with say Ellison’s tacit approval?
GSW fans might consider that all the off-season moves have to be considered in context, that moving Maggette’s contract allowed us to go after Lee, and drafting Udoh also gave us depth to move both Turiaf and AR in the same deal.
Haha, one huge screwed up mess?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
, if you were official scorer would you give Jackson an "assist" on that AR dunk?
haha, that always makes me jump higher.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Good post
Under the bad for AR, I would add that if you take away his left hand, he has no offensive skills whatsoever. And between him and BW, it was a race to see who could be injured most often (unfortunately, BW has the lead in that particular race).
If Turiaf had good knees and Kelenna wasn’t coming off a major injury, the Warriors wouldn’t have made this deal. As it stands, it looks like they sent several fragile pieces for a higher quality, proven NBA starter who’s put up good numbers.
@WorldBLee
we gotta get mike miller to go shoot 3’s with marrow and curry. that fills in the sf spot. still need some kind of a extra scorer off the bench. the david lee trade wasn’t too bad. AR could be a great player but its worth the risk. we got BW anyway. Bukie is gonna be missed. Turiaf wasn’t too great but he was good at times. if david lee means that we r gonna compete in the west then lets go for it. gotta save monta or we gonna get some junk back and be the losers of the west. don’ know whats up with the front office. u have half the team with great players and then u traded mags for a bunch of garbage. if u get rid of ellis then u get more garbage. then y even bother to get lee? don’t know whats screwed up in there but we save the players now. we got a team.
no he didn't. Its speculation on a twitter page
But the Heat can not sign anyone until the big 3 sign their contracts. Rumor is NJ is offerinf $12M more for Miller. To be continued……………..
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 9, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Miller's Dad
confirmed that he’s signing with Miami. That obviously doesn’t seal the deal, but his dad said they understood it would be a pay-cut compared to other places, but that he would sign with the Heat.
You guys got a really good player in Lee. All Knicks fans wish he could stay but cannot based on salary and what they’re trying to do. You definitely got the better of the deal as he will give you 20 and 11 every night. Watch the ovation he gets when he returns to NY. By that time I’m sure you’ll be happy with him. I only wish the contracts of the guys we (Knicks) picked up end after next season.
SF
I’m keeping my fingers crossed: I hope the W’s sign Ronnie Brewer. Should be a cheap, serviceable option at the 3.
Honestly...
Let’s be realistic guys. We traded away three players who combined played in 84 games last year. In return we got a player averaging 81 games in his last 3 seasons. For a team that often started Tolliver at C and Maggette at PF, to get a consistent 20/10 force that shoots 55% from the field and 80% from the line is going to have a worldly effect on this team. We’re giving Curry the athletic big man he needs, one that’s not afraid to go down in the post. AR, even though he had loads of potential, could never be that big man we need. All of a sudden, if we get Biedrins of old, we have a solid 4/5 combination. Or trade Biedrins for a 3 and start Udoh at the 4. (I’m not in favor of Lee at the 5 though…)
To all you Randolph fans all I have to say is, get over it. The only problem with this deal is the Knicks didn’t have to give up anything. Lee was as good as gone as far as they were concerned.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
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Lee
I hope we didn’t just get a stronger, taller “brian cardinal”
by WomanifestDestiny on Jul 9, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
We didn’t. Cardinal was a garbage pail player who developed a 3 point stroke. He was never a particularly good rebounder (only a very small sample size saved him one year). Cardinal never projected as anyone’s starter, never played at a level that would confuse anyone with a player who got an all-star nod. The “Brian Cardinal” comparison is one drawn almost entirely out of complexion. It strikes me as entirely lazy (hey! He’s white!) to bring it up.
by jae on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you say that?
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We traded a guy with upside and 2 role players for an All-Star...
AR – Basketball IQ worse than Monta and an emotional trainwreck. He has a huge upside but, is really a role player due to his lack of maturity and what seems to be an inability to apply himself in practice.
RT- Love RT for his attitude and toughness that can never be questioned & shotblocking but his defensive liabilty and rebounding were below average.
KA – Such a solid guy but 2’s are really a dime a dozen and the warriors have had solid sucess drafting 2’s we were not winning a title next year with these 3.
DL – A solid quality 4 that does what nobody on our roster can do he will make us better and has an overall nice game that will lend itself towards success in our future.
We have a lot of questions for the upcomming season but we now have a skilled bigman that may help AB not be the beanpole on an island. He needs to be healthy for the dubs to have any impact in the Western Conference,
I will miss KA and RT because of their professional attitude and leadership.
As a life long Dubs fan I have seen us move sideways way to many times and be held hostage by guys with the AR type game and attitude.
Spreewell, Webber and Arenas are some pretty shinning examples.
You usually have to give some value to get something in return. Unless your Jerry West on your way out and you give your old franchise Gasol for nothing…I feel we made a step forward. To all the whiners you obviously need to step away from your video game mentality. AR was never our future despite all the potential you only need to look about 300 yards from Oracle Arena to see the biggest example in the former cough syrup drinking lard ass QB to see this was the best thing for the franchise. Coicindentally they both went to LSU. Long live the Dubs
an emotional trainwreck
Why do people say this? What makes him a emo train wreck? Also did you see what he had to say after being traded? He is applying himself and sounded like he was sad to go, also Buike is a 3. A pretty good one as well. And the biggest thing with losing Ronny is his affect on the other guys.
Also we just lost deph which scares me, now we have 0 3’s and less defense up front
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
We lost depth from injuries... with no known promise of health this year ...the Dubs were the most injured team last year.
We hardly had those guys last year. So depth isn’t really valid there. Those 3 were out the majority of the season.
KA – Almost every athlete takes 1.5 years after a major knee injury it’s excedingly rare for it to be less so we will miss most of next year with him at full strength.
Ronny was a leader I agree and I will miss him…
AR- Is so sketchy in what he brings because he can never put a string of really nice games together he’s just a tease… Is he the next LaBron NOOOO!
We haven’t had the opportunity to have a big man of Lee’s quality in a long time.
With roster spots I’m sure they are gonna try to fill. them.
This is really Steph’s team now and it should be!!!
Really at the 3 we need a player back like Antwan J.
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
09-10 WAS 41 41 38.9 0.450 0.345 0.700 2.4 6.4 8.8 1.3 1.0 0.2 1.5 2.7 20.5
09-10 CLE 25 23 32.4 0.485 0.342 0.506 1.5 6.2 7.7 1.3 1.1 0.5 1.2 2.7 15.8
09-10 — 66 64 36.5 0.461 0.344 0.647 2.1 6.3 8.4 1.3 1.1 0.3 1.4 2.7 18.7
Career 864 755 36.8 0.456 0.347 0.728 2.6 5.5 8.1 1.7 1.0 0.4 1.7 2.5 19.8
Stats from nba.com
Spreewell, Webber and Arenas are some pretty shinning examples?
Of great players we drove off? Those three were better than any three we have now, that’s the problem with picking players based on their appeal to your momma.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
you forget
He was picked at 14. oh well. There was more invested in B.Wright given he was the 8th pick and you traded J.Rich, plus Udoh was the #6. One of them had to go.
Good point...
How did I forget the gun show? Well at least I provided photographic evidence.
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Haha this Rev Randy character showing up on some posts again after completely trashing my summer prediction of the Warriors acquiring Lee this offseason BEFORE the Warriors Knicks game last year when Lee went for 37 pts 20 rebounds and 10 assists.
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jul 9, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
What? I did?
Well, I guess I was wrong. But seriously, bro, this post you just made here is childish.
I didn’t just “Show up again.” You seem to be the one who did. I’m almost tempted to quote freaking LL Cool J right now.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS TRADE AS WELL AS THE MAGGETTE TRADE HAVE BEEN AMAZINGLY SMART FOR THE DUMBASS RUNNING THE TEAM
When you look at Anthony Randolph i know theres potential and upside but that is a huge if, esp with us warriors fans, we rebuilt for 13 long seasons drafting trading and signing people with potential instead of PRODUCTION! How are you mad at a guy that averaged 20 and 11? are you guys even thinking???Yeah AR had that amazing potential and huge heart and how many games did we win when he was healthy? i think we were still in the bottom 3 of the league, plus LEE is an excellent pick and roll player to go with MONTA AND STEPH AND ISNT THAT WHATS MOST IMPORTANT? plus how many times last year did we go 5-10 minutes in the 4th without scoring cuz we couldnt in the halfcourt? now we can!! This trade was Genius, we got a big All-star to go with our future MVP in Steph,
STEPH, CJ
MONTA, C. BELL, MORROW
WILLIAMS, MORROW, RADMANOVIC
LEE, WRIGHT
BIEDRINS, UDOH, GAZ
I can see that lineup taking the 6 to 8 range in the playoffs considering we still have the mid level exception to spend on a FA 3, and the genius maggette trade brought us an expiring contract, to go with Vlads, now Radmonovic and Gaz contracts are going to be coveted for a trade to make cap room for melo next year, we can get a decent 3 or another 5 in return for these contracts and it will clear a lot of our cap if we are making a run at melo, the future is not as dark as these idiots think it is, IF POTENTIAL IS EVERYTHING, DIDNT EVERY EXPERT IN THE WORLD SAY JAMARCUS RUSSELL HAD ALL THE POTENTIAL IN THE WORLD? we are coming up this year baby, another 8 seed and we are just gonna rise from there, WE BELIEVE!!!!!!
I agree the trades have been very good this offseason. We cleared cap space and still vastly improved our lineup, IMO. And I agree that Lee’s a good fit with Curry. I still like Wright, especially off the bench. Udoh was a bad draft pick because there were so many more talented players at positions of greater need available. But he should be a solid role player, nonetheless. I like the IQ we added with Bell and Lee and what we lost with Maggette and Randolph.
Morrow is a very one dimensional player and is overrated by our fans. He’s fine towards the end of the bench. CJ is fine, too, but I like him better as the 3rd point guard/2 guard. He’s more of a scorer and I’d like another playmaker as a back up. Williams is very interesting to me, I liked what I saw from him. This year will be telling. I’m not sure if he has the athleticism to play defensively, but he’s got a great feel. I like him right now.
I think Ellis needs to go. We need size at the 5 spot. We need a playmaker backing up 1. We need an athletic slasher at the 3 with enough size and grit to be a defensive stopper. And we need another scorer on the wing. I don’t think we’re set for the 6-8 seed. 10th at best.
Trading Ellis to Memphis for Mayo and Thabeet would have several of those issues, IMO.
While I don’t think there we that many more talented players available who could have stepped in and helped right away, I think you’re on the money with the trade, Morrow being over-rated, CJ, and Williams. And the worst kept secret in the league is we need help at SF. One of the sub-stories of this week was Beasley’s trade from Miami – just a couple drafts ago he was considered a can’t miss pick, now he’s traded for a second round pick and change. None of these guys is “can’t miss” particularly where we were drafting this year.
I also don’t think Ellis needs to go; even if we could pull off Mayo and Thabeet there’s not much compelling evidence that those two would be more productive than Ellis and who ever Thabeet is replacing on the floor (assuming you mean Andris).
If we add an efficient SF, as Riley said he still intends to try to do, our hopes for an 8th spot are not unreasonable. Then, who knows, we use the expirings at the trade deadline perhaps. We are fortunate in that there are many FA SF options out there, and that a couple teams shot their wad on the big name FAs.
It’s early July, we have until October to put it together. Lee, Monta, and Curry are not a bad treo to build around – at least now we have three starters we know what to expect from and hopefully we play a bit more consistently – four if you count Andris. Not terrific, but better.
WHY DOES MONTA NEED TO GO? YOU CANT COMPARE THABEET AND MAYO TO MONTA, AND WHY IS EVERYBODY HATING ON UDOH?
Monta avereged 25.5 points per game last year and on many nights was our best scorer while Steph was our best player, They are the most productive backcourt in the league but because monta’s 6 2 and not 6 5 everybody is saying trade him, WHY?! didnt dumars and thomas win back to back titles in Detroit? and Dumars isnt half the player Monta is, he’s a sneaky pesky defender, and his offensive game was top 10 last year, his speed has never been seen in this league and what have we said would make him unstoppable, a 3 point shot, and what did he do the last 40 games of the year? SHOT AROUND 42% from 3, why would you want to trade monta, 25.5 points per game and hes 3 years away from his prime, THE REST OF THE NBA SHOULD BE SCARED!! MONTA AND CURRY WAS NOT THE PROBLEM, CENTERS WERE, SO WHY WOULD WE TRADE AWAY AND SEPERATE OUR ONE STRONG SUIT!? with AB EU BW DG AND DL in the front court, we have a team that can make the playoffs, if monta is so worth trading, why did KOBE BRYANT say “Monta is my favorite player to watch and he is my most hated player to play against cuz he cant be stopped”!! keep monta and curry together please! if thabeet is worth monta, why did he get sent down to the D-LEAGUE? and Mayo is 1 inch taller than monta! is that 1 inch with the huge talent and point desperity between the two? KEEP MONTA AND CURRY TOGETHER! And to the UDOH HATERS, you guys dont have a clue what you’re talking about, since when did 6’10 240-250 become skinny? everybody was on Monroes nuts, why? cuz he went to Georgetown, he can pass and thats it, he has decent defense and decent offense, UDOH is very athletic and long, has an underrated jumpshot that reaches upto 15 feet, he has a jump hook with both hands which is the most coveted move for a post player in the NBA, and he IS ABSOLUTELY DOMINANT! ON DEFENSE, so you do the math (Monroe decent offence/decent defense) or UDOH (decent offense/DOMINANT DEFENSE) ill take Udoh, reports say he beat down Monroe and aldridge during their workouts and they looked like boys among a Man in Udoh, he was who i wanted from day one, not Overrated Monroe or "Ja"Marcus Cousins, Udoh is gonna be a force in this league and all you people are gonna look stupid, and last year werent you the same people that said “OH STEPH CURRY IS TOO SMALL AND CANT PLAY PG” i dont hear anybody saying that anymore, give Udoh a shot! if Biedrins struggles, dont be surprised if biedrins is traded for either the rumored (Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, or JR smith) and Ekpe Udoh is our starting center, I LOVE THE PICK OF UDOH AND HE’S GONNA MAKE A HUGE IMPACT THIS YEAR, THIS TEAM WILL BE COMPETING IN APRIL FOR THAT 6-8 RANGE, MARK MY WORDS!
I LOVE THE PICK OF UDOH AND HE’S GONNA MAKE A HUGE IMPACT THIS YEAR,
With a broken wrist ?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent insight about Monta/Curry!!! I agree!! Do NOT separate Monta/Curry!! If Monta lets Curry handle the ball and the starters get enough rest during games, we’ll see defense from them. We saw it when the Warriors beat Atlanta, why? Because Curry controlled the ball and Monta got sufficient rest and as a result had a great defensive presence.
by NBAPrincess09 on Jul 10, 2010 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Monta gets his numbers, but remember that he’s in Nelson’s system. Nelson likey won’t be back next year if the team is sold, as predicted. And isn’t a long term solution anyway. In addition to the frenetic style Monta, like many scorers, is ball dominant. His assist numbers are good but he’s not really setting up other players, the assist typically come as a result of the defense collapsing and him making a last second pass. That’s fine, but it’s not as if he makes those around him much better. The PIstons were a team built around defense and toughtness, and Dumars was one of the best. If Monta can fill that role in a more traditional system, then he’s a keeper for sure. He is the only player we have who can consistently beat his man for a score and he’s the guy who gets hot and can carry the team offensively. So I’m not bagging on Monta, I think he’s a good player.
My main reasons for trading Monta are twofold. First, I’m unsure if he can coexist with Curry, play 2 guard on both ends of the court in a more traditional system, and fit into a system that is more team oriented. He’s never been exposed to that, so there is risk. Second, I think if you trade a guy, you trade him when his value is up. When he’s averaged 25.5 points. Not, as the W’s were looking to last offseason, after he’s had an injury, off court problems, or a down year. His trade value is probably pretty high right now, comparitively and he’s got a large contract. So we could possibly get several playes at positions of need and reduce our cap figure for next year even more, to sign an impact free agent in the next couple of years. I like Ellis, and I don’t mind keeping him, but he’s a high risk, high reward type of player right now, in terms of how well he can fit into a more traditional system and how well he can take Curry being the driver of that system.
I’m glad you love Udoh. There will be 5 players picked below him who end up being much better players in the league. And at least 3 of them will be in the 2/3 positions. He’s not a center. He gets pushed around by stronger power forwards. He himself said he’s a 4 and said his primary goal is to get much stronger to be able to compete in the league. B. Wright has a nice hook shot, is athletic, long and is a good defensive player. So Udoh seems a bit redundant. That said, I think he’ll be a solid complimentary player down the road. Just not necessarily what you’re exptecting from that pick, in such a deep draft, given the current makeup of our roster. Andris is already small for a center, Udoh is even smaller. I like Andris, but we need some size at the position to help him, at the very least. Thabeet is not going to be a star, but he’s a guy who could pair well with Andris and provide the size to slow down the huge centers in the West- Yao, Oden, M. Gasol, Bynum, et all.
Finally, I’m not saying that’s the right trade, or the best trade, simply that it was a trade that would have solved some problems. In fact, if Henry looks good- big if- I’d rather go Thabeet, Conoly, Henry for Ellis.
My only problem with that trade besides trading our best scorer is, we get a center that was sent to the D-League and if we get Henry, hey our 3 hole is solved but what about the 2?
Do you really think Reggie Williams and Charlie Bell can feel that void the entire season? Williams is going to be a good scorer but he only played 20 games last year. Monta’s value is high because he’s a great player, if he’s 10 years older and averaging 25 a game then i’m all in, trade him, bet he is only 25 and going to get better, why do that? It makes no sense, especially for 3 unproven players. I am so sick of everybody who wants to trade good and proven for potentially good or great, we have made the playoffs 1 time in 16 years, I dont want to wait another 5 to start winning, I want to win now. And the comment about Udoh, who drafted below him is going to be better? Udoh beat down Monroe and Aldrich at their workouts and that is who everyone says “will be the best”, Greg Monroe is garbage, I watched a lot of his games and even the Summer League game against the Warriors. He got pushed around repeatedly by our skinny Brandon Wright and it took him 3 quarters to even grab a rebound, at halftime he had 2 points 1 assist and 0 rebounds, thats GOOD? Udoh has the mentality you need to be a good player in this league, WORK, WORK AND WORK, which is what he does. If you say he’s so small and gets pushed around, how did he dominate Samhan and St. Marys in the NCAA Tournament? Give him a chance before you write him off because I guarantee in 3 years, Udoh will be a better player than Monroe, Aminu(who we just got in Dorell Wright except Wrights a better shooter), Hayward, Cole Aldrich, and Ed Davis, the only players who have a shot to be better, play the 3 position and they are George and Henry. Udoh is going to quiet so many critics this year and it is going to be a great site to see.
That Ellis trade would be a major let down and put us on another 13 year playoff drought. He isnt going anywhere.
Once again Warrior fans want to trade for potential rather than proven, Monta cannot be traded and wont. David Lee said he only agreed to come here if his contract stated “MONTA ELLIS, STEPHEN CURRY, AND ANRIS BIEDRINS WILL BE HERE FOR YOUR ENTIRE TENURE IN GOLDEN STATE”. Ellis will not be traded anywhere thank god.
A lot to give up?
Hardly. David Lee is a perfect pick and roll, pick and pop compliment to Curry. He’s a hard worker without attitude and, like Curry, has a high bball IQ. We’ve had way too many small athletic players with limited games and poor bball IQ’s.
We need to add players who aren’t one dimensional guys Nelson can create mismatches with. Instead we need more complete players. Guys with good attitudes. Guys with high bball IQ’s. Guys who will play well together and play a team game. Guys who can physically defend their positions!
This is not a knock on the players we gave up. But it’s a comment on what we are getting and the need to continue to add players of this caliber. Not only does he score (at a very efficient rate) and rebound (on the offensive glass, too), but Lee is a very good passer for a big man. And he can hit free throws. To acquire a player like that, at such a difficult position, I don’t feel we gave up too much at all. The only question to me is the size of the contract.
Other than the draft, Riley’s had a good offseason.
No more 'potential' talk
Look, I’ve been a Warriors fan for longer than most people on this blog have been alive. I’m sick and tired of talking about potential. Just get the job done if you put on a Dubs jersey. Lee is not about potential he is a proven and relatively young commodity. An All-Star big. What is not to love? Outside of Lee coming to Oaktown the next best big from last year’s Dubs roster was Anthony Tolliver… and it ain’t even close. And that includes Correy Magette. Tolliver has offensive skills and can rebound & defend. He demonstrated heady play I’m shocked to discover in the D-League. I hope he gets a shot at starting SF. The cat can flat ball. Williams should get a shot at starting SG. I would trade Monta. I love his game but he is too small to start next to Curry. Steph is the PG no doubt. Monta’s best value to GS is what he can bring in a trade for another big… or two. Bean is weak. His heart is pumping straight Kool-Aid.
Great article!!
I agree with this article, I’m kinda tired of hearing about potential, the W’s need players that can produce NOW. We are losing 3 fan favorites but it will be worth it and I’m beyond excited for David Lee, especially if it helps Curry and Monta. I’ve always believed if the W’s have a efficient frontcourt a Curry/Ellis backcourt can work, in spades. Trading Monta would be a mistake IMO.
am i the only one who thinks this was a typical clueless warriors front office move?
first of all, i like Lee. I like him a lot , for what he is. which obviously is not a MAX CONTRACT type player. but this is typical warriors. over paying for decent at best 3rd option on a team type players. if the deal would have been straight up for randolph, I wouldn’t have minded this deal. but not only did we give up a potential stud in randolph, but we gave away 2 more than serviceable ROLE players on any team ,in azubuike,turiaf. I was a huge Azebuike fan. i actually believed he was a capable 18-20ppg scorer, 6-7 rebound type player…he had a nice 3 point shot, nice mid range,and on a fast break was able to get tot he basket at any given time. turiaf is a quality center…i dont understand why golden sate let the knicks dictate the demands? why did they see LEE as so ELITE? the warriors should have given up randolph,gadzurick,bell or something…and if not, i would have told the knicks to piss off. plus we didn’t get anything in return..atleast give us lee and chandler?. all along the front office has been talking about not SPENDING MONEY. but we gave 80 million to a at the maximum 50-60 million dollar type player…we didn’t need lee…we could have made a more smoother deal with orlando for GORTAT,at the fraction of the cost and fraction of the players…we could have given them brandon wright and bell..in return for gortat, or could have tried to make a trade with utah for MILLSAP….or why not AL JEFFERSON..who is certainly better then LEE. i just don’t know what the job requirements are to become a general manager and vp of the warriors..smh..we just lost 2 of our starters, and a premier back up center. for a nice decent power forward and an 80 mill dollar extension.
good job riley <^>
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