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Uses of the MLE by NBA Teams



The Mid Level Exception in most cases is used to get a declining veteran player to join a contending team, or a young player who is worthy of some money but is nothing that is above average. It is the league average salary, so you can expect to get a league average player. Adding an average player at that price is not worth it, because you will most likely overpay for scoring, as the Travis Outlaw and Al Harrington deals suggest. So to go with the theory that the MLE can net you an average player. I looked at 3 examples of the MLE use by teams this off-season to show how it can be used very effectively, and how it can just create more of a salary quagmire.

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Example #1: Celtics Sign Jermaine O'Neal using full MLE for 2 years.

This is an example of signing a declining veteran player to a contender. JO was a .077 wp48 player last season. That is below average. However, WP underates defense, and that is a great thing about JO. He is a very good defender. So, lets just estimate that with this information that JO is a league average player, or slightly below so. JO is a much needed big at a time when Kendrick Perkins is out for 3-4 months. So, it comes down to who you feel more comfortable taking Perkins minutes : JO or Big Baby Davis. Davis is a -.094 wp48. Davis is a bad player. JO is an average player. This signing by the Celtics seems pretty average as they get an average player with an average salary, to replace a bad player.

Example #2 Nuggets Sign Al Harrington using full MLE for 5 years.

Eek. Very bad signing. Harrington is a bad player at -0.024 wp48. He scores alot, and that is most certainly why he got this deal, but I'm surprised Dean Oliver could have advised Stan Kreonke to do this deal, but we know they have recently fired all their statistic understanding FO members. So, you use the MLE to not only acquire a player who hurts your chances at winning, but someone whose salary will keep the team's financial flexibility limited.

Example #3 Warriors Sign Dorrell Wright using 3.5 of MLE for 3 years.

Bravo Larry Riley, this is an excellent use of resources. Wright is a good player with a wp48 of .198 last season. He plays good defense too, so he is not being slightly overrated by WP either. We got a very good player for below average player money. He is undervalued in this market as he doesn't score lot of points, but is efficient in his scoring, and rebounds, passes, and defends well. Just imagine how great our use of the MLE will be if we use the remaining MLE on Lou Amundson, as the rumors are reporting. He's a good defensive player, and his wp48 is .190.

I've come to believe NBA teams come to 4 popular options when it comes to the MLE. They can overpay for PPG (Harrington), spend money on average-below average veteran players (JO, Rasheed the year before), sign players undervalued by the market (DWright, and possibly Amundson), or do nothing at all. In most cases, doing nothing at all would be the smartest choice, as picking the first two options above are not too smart unless you are replacing a really bad player (like Baby Davis). But the MLE can be a very valuable asset for a team that is not under the salary cap, and trying to improve, if used correctly.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Gimme amundson Riley !

Enough playing the waiting game. There’s plenty of wings left but not enough bigs. Jump on it. And then see what wing players are left in Free Agency, hope that someone shines in summer league, or let Don Nelson play around with the last roster spot and sign a couple D-Leaguers to some 10 day contracts.
But get Lou now

by GSW Fan4Life on Aug 11, 2010 4:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Where can I find WP48 stats?

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami

by Doctor Kajita on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Here.

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 11, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here:

http://www.permanent-sketch.com/WinsProduced/Main.html
However, wins produced relies on positional adjustments, so I’d suggest for some players you check the end of this blog post for how to convert a player from one position to another if the automated wins produced above gives you a sketchy number: http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/nbeh-joins-the-wages-of-wins-network/
(Also, I’ll take this opportunity to complain about both this and the NBA’s new Synergy site being done in Silverlight. Come on, people! HTML5 has arrived, we don’t need crappy, over blown extensions like Silverlight and Flash anymore.)

Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!

by philthiest on Aug 11, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Gov and phil

I’m taking it upon myself to start educating myself on this stuff. I saw Dave Berri’s journal and I’ll probably read his books and Dean Oliver’s book.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami

by Doctor Kajita on Aug 11, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I HIGHLY recommend Basketball On Paper. That’s probably the best place to start for basketball analysis. Wage of Wins and Mathletics are also very good and highly recommended, but Basketball On Paper should be your (and pretty much everyone’s) starting point for basketball analysis.

Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!

by philthiest on Aug 11, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have that in my Amazon shopping cart already. Thanks!!!

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
Ode to Tim Kawakami

by Doctor Kajita on Aug 11, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice examples.

Thanks for putting it together, you make some good points. Honestly, I’m still a little confused when it comes to understanding the salary cap sometimes & exemptions. These articles help.

So Let’s pretend Al Harrington is never cut or traded & plays out 5 years w/ Denver. Denver has no MLE left for each of those 5 years because of Harrington on their roster right? Now if they trade Harrington does it mean that they can sign someone else for MLE again?

Thanks for the write-up.

by srsrs on Aug 11, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Denver has no MLE left for each of those 5 years because of Harrington on their roster right?

No. Having a player signed with the MLE has no bearing on using it in future years. Every team has a MLE any year that they are over the cap. They can sign someone else at the MLE next year with or without Harrington.

by jae on Aug 11, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok. thanks for pointing that out

cool fan posts & google are helping me put this together.

by srsrs on Aug 11, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
The greatest site in the history of the internet

Sick of fighting with my computer

by Reverend_Randy on Aug 11, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also I forgot another example of the MLE being used very well: Heat signing Mike Miller.

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 11, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Correct!

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 12, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

in summary this article is how we can score.
and that we did score…
and that we need to follow the blue print one more time and score Lou A.
just curious what position does he play and what does he bring to the table..
i just saw highlights on him and i know he can score and score with either hand well.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, basically that was the premise.

And that we need to take advantage of it, as best as possible to remain a competitive team.

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 12, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has about the same build as David Lee

hes a big body, good sized 4. Also he plays a lot better D than Lee does. If beans had to come off the floor, I wouldn’t mind having both amundson and lee play together from time to time.

by GSW Fan4Life on Aug 12, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can say one use of MLE is better than other

Splitting it up or using one player that is. It’s dependent on the team and the needs. Using the MLE should be for teams in playoff positioning, as if you’re not… you shouldn’t be so over the cap.

I think Celtics did a fine job, they got 2 big bodies who will give them valuable minutes. They may be a waste of money to us, but to Boston they are much more valuable. I think using a full mle on a player can be valuable too, depending who he is.

Al Harrington is a huge gamble. Al on top form, 06-08 Warriors Al is worth every penny he received. The Al we’ve seen last 1.5-2 years is now. But there is something to be said about added motivation to being on a winning team.

by tafkasam on Aug 12, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Well we can talk like this is true.

But your actual analysis is quite off.

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL are you kidding me?

How are boston’s MLE moves poor?

by tafkasam on Aug 12, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jermaine O'Neal is toast

they didn’t use the MLE at all on Shaq

Sick of fighting with my computer

by Reverend_Randy on Aug 12, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagreed

He’s fine for THEM. What they value more than anything is experience. He’s miles better for them than Amir johnson (for ex.) or some other young big that would have taken MLE

by tafkasam on Aug 12, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they can be valuable role players in Boston's system

And thats difference as opposed to us signing them and expecting them a) to fit the system and b) to be productive and not detrimental.

by tafkasam on Aug 12, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with your assertion. Read the post.

I said they paid an average player, average money, which is the MLE.
I pointed out they could have done much worse (Al Harrington), but they could have done so much better (Amundson, Wright, etc).

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 12, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

See I don't think Amundson would be better for Boston

But he would for Dubs.

@AL…. it’s quite the gamble, but you have to admit, if he can get anywhere near 2006-8 warriors form it’s worth it. Granted thats a BIG if. But Denver needed some sort of gamble

by tafkasam on Aug 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

IF Jermaine Oneal and Shaq give them size they need in playoffs, does it matter? They will. They are looking only at playoffs.

by tafkasam on Aug 12, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec!

Nice post governor!
I’m hopeful that we get Amundsen too; dare I say thy Riley is on a roll this off season?

by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 16, 2010 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

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