Curry's FIBA experience, it's effect on Training camp
An interesting dynamic that has been thoroughly discussed here, has been the responsibility of Ellis accepting a new role and allowing the offense to run through Stephen Curry. Still, a few actually believe that Ellis is our best player, an inimitable one.
After listening to Lacob, I've gathered that he is correct in his assertion when he says, "It's not going to happen overnight." Sound rationale, both fundamentally and strategically. When he's saying "It", I believe he's referring to the roster, largely implying Ellis as the object of this consideration. Yes, now is not the best time to trade him, if he is in fact destined to be placed on the block. Aside from the weenies who still can't grasp the cold fact that two points is two points, the suits in the front office know how to truly evaluate a player like Ellis in relation to a winning roster.
How many times have the Warriors fallen victim to impatience? Will they continue to support the same pathology of trading away talent for lesser players and pipe dreams of the free agency period? Patience is a virtue that resonates in Lacob's understanding of the game and how to manage players. He has said all the right things.
A series of perfect misfortune was the prequel to Ellis' latest display of incompetence as the leader of an inadequate roster. From the Baron Davis misfire and the Harrington trade, all the way to the cocaine-fueled rush to find the quickest fix in town(Corey, not Haim), Ellis was rebuked and wore the mask of a scapegoat to redirect the fury that justifiably should have fell upon men like Robert Rowell and Don Nelson. I think this is recognized by the team's new owner.
Under the perception of how Ellis must properly negotiate his new role on the team, there is nothing more appropriate than Stephen Curry playing in the tournament during the off-season. Why?
Basketball is a game of rhythm and repetition. While many fans were understandably worried about Curry possibly suffering injury, there is no question that this is absolutely, positively the best thing to happen to the team, politically. While the rest of the squad is working out individually at home, or in the facility, Curry is being recognized every day by going head to head against the NBA's best. He has not missed a beat, sharpening his tools against the elite of the elite in an environment with absolutely no distractions. On his off days, he is sitting on the bench for the majority of games, watching the best competition in the world from new eyes, from a student's perspective, participating during the end of quarters to cap off his cultured education. He is an olympian. Warriors fans know this, Warriors' management knows this, the entire world does.
In essence, this leaves even less room for discussion over who will be the leader of our team. Positionally and reputedly, Stephen Curry has cemented his role as the face of the franchise, and coming into training camp, there will be no confusion about assigning roles. Aside from the reputation and image Curry is creating for himself, his skills have undoubtedly improved, and he should be the best player in camp, noticeably enough.
This contributes greatly towards creating an atmosphere with "no excuses" for players like Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. No longer is there Corey Maggette looking over his shoulder at Stephen Jackson and asking Nellie what his "role" is, while coach shrugs and looks the other way. We know everybody, and at this point, it's not asking a lot for them to know themselves. It's not going to get any easier for Monta to recognize how to succeed, as it is right now. The acquisition of David Lee was ingenious in regards to this cause, as it takes even less pressure from the Ellis/Curry situation, providing more support and perspective from a seasoned name, and a prominent force in such a consistent veteran.
In conclusion, Joe Lacob is evaluating the Monta Ellis game correctly, and playing it in such a way where he's going to take this team as far as it can possibly go this season by allowing chemistry without any obstructions or unneeded dams. Consequently, I believe we will get the most from Ellis as he returns to his natural element as a calculated scorer, trusting in his teammates. By season's end, we will then sit back comfortably with our hands folded, and watch the takers line up, as we make a convicting push towards constructing a deep playoff contender.
I've said before that Smart or Silas should be the coach for this year. Stephen Curry said something in his latest interview to the effect of "Morale is the only thing that matters." Although not the most talented candidate, Smart supports this notion, while the philosophy of patience is equally represented, as Lacob is obviously in no hurry to rush and find a new man just for the sake of change. I would rather keep morale with a lesser coach for a year, with time to make proper evaluations, than sign the greater coach, possibly the wrong coach, for a lengthy deal that could cost the team money it could spend on say, a better medical staff. Stephen Curry's off--season play contributes greatly towards building this team's culture, and greatly increases the chances of the Warriors preparing for the season with a clean slate!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Good read. Rec'd.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Aug 29, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions
I agree with you
This is a little off point but am I the only one surprised that Lacob has not named his investors yet? When this deal first went down, he was going to make the “announcement” in a few short days, and a month later we are still waiting. He wanted league approval by late September, but there is no chance for that if he has not named his investors, all of whom have to be “investigated” by the league.
$450 million is a lot of money from guys who do not have deep pockets and both of whom are investors, not independently wealthy.
If I had to make a guess I think Lacob is having problems getting guys to join him because this is not a cash cow, and with so much being paid to buy it, there is little return for an investor. I for one think there is an outside chance that the sale will break down and we will go through this again.
No matter what I don’t believe Lacob will take over the team until after October or when practice begins. That would seem to mean Nellie will be the coach when the season starts.
Na
They have plenty of money. It’s just a strategy to borrow money when the cost of borrowing money is historically low, and to surround himself with a qualified team of owners like Boston had.
The $$ is there.
by WestCoastWarrior on Aug 30, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
nice post
thanks for the reminder that training camp is just around the corner!!!
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
On his off days, he is sitting on the bench for the majority of games, watching the best competition in the world from new eyes, from a student's perspective, participating during the end of quarters to cap off his cultured education.
Haha, Best competition in the world? The B level NBA players against the rag tag poor countries teams?
Binky woulda got a better education if he’d bought courtside tickets for the Lakers Celts finals and absorbed how the big boys do it. Maybe a side trip to Ronron’s shrink to get more pointers afterwards (say queensbridge) ?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions
Never pass up an opportunity to amuse oneself, annoy everyone else, and extol the greatness of the Lakers, I always say…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 30, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Never pass up an opportunity to extol the greatness of the Lakers, I always say…
Well it does make sense to study a winner if you ever want to win.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
We’ll just draft the next Kobe Bryant and adopt the triangle offense. Trade garbage for the best PF/C in the league. Seriously, you could sit and watch the Lakers for eternity, and you’d be no closer to them. It’s not supernatural as to why they’ve experienced success. The Euro teams are unique because of the different way they approach the game. It may not be as effective as the US, but you can take a little something from a different style and philosophy, making your own greater.
by lilboots on Aug 30, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because the US wins the gold every tournament, right?
No, because it’s not the NBA and has nothing to do with what we’re trying to accomplish here.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Annnnnnnnnnnnd.....
you’re dumb. I guess Gasol, Ginoboli, Nowitzki, and Rubio have nothing to do with the NBA, right? It has a lot to do with what we’re trying to do here. It’s our best player competing on the largest stage you could possibly perform.
you’re dumb?
well, that dress makes you look fat.
it’s a large diluted stage of NBA players spread on the winds. We want to get focused on our specific player sand how they can work best together. We have no interest in the results of Binky interacting with the enemy under FIBA’s stupid rules.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
a prime example of how USA doesn't value international play
sure, the NBA may be bigger and faster, but that doesn’t necessarily mean international games are trash compared to the NBA. in FIBA, teams are a lot stronger and tougher and full court defense is more valuable. sure, the court’s smaller and the ball’s lighter, but it’s the experience that Curry’s taking in with real competition that matters. every other country takes the FIBA championships way more seriously than the olympics, so curry’s gonna have a handful to deal with
by lameallenmark on Aug 30, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
whoa! the ball is lighter?!
Thaaaat’s why Curry’s shot is off
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
The things you say are very dumb. It sort of leaves me to the obvious rationale, that you, the proprietor of this thoughtless crap, are very dumb. It also probably makes me equally as dumb for attempting to interact with such a moron on a serious level.
“Interacting with the enemy”. This reminds me of something out of “Burn After Reading”. Who is the enemy? Oh, you mean the international teams that continue to groom players until they come here and make the league greater and more competitive? When you say, “We have no interest in the results”, I assume you’re referring to your group of imaginary frauds that somehow continue to misguide you into believing that you’re still welcome on this site.
I know most of us are proud of Stephen and are encouraged not so much by his interaction with the “enemy” as much as we are with him scrimmaging with some of the league’s best on a weekly basis. Again, you’re not funny. Not even a little.
"Interacting with the enemy". This reminds me of something out of "Burn After Reading". Who is the enemy?
The enemy is the other NBA players who are not Warriors. The less they know about the Warrior players the better for our chances. The less Binky and DLee consider them friends the better for our chances. Again the FIBA has nothing to do with NBA standings, any wins Curry and Lee get there don’t mean squat once our season starts. But any injuries will come home to haunt us. So enjoy your little diversion ,just hope you don’t regret it.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
gentlemen, please
Hopefully Steph is out there right now finding us our very own Tiago Splitter…or a Dirk
I think I’d rather have a Dirk of our own
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Apology
Urquell,
I realize that some of the name calling I’ve dished out is a pretty stupid way of going about communicating with you, or anybody else. Although, I do get fairly annoyed with your assertions, :) I’ll try my very best for now on to ignore them completely. You are not a fool, you’re not a loser. You’re actually in some probability a pretty cool guy just trying to have a bit of little light hearted fun at the expense of others. It’s a fun thing to do from time to time. In this sense, you are a unique little gem and contributor to this site :)
I’m the idiot for the abrasive name-calling. However, again, I’ll keep a blind eye to what you have to say unless you’re coming correct. How will I know that if I’m keeping a blind eye? I don’t know. I probably won’t. Have a nice day.
Apology
No problem. Keep channeling that energy in a positive direction.
We’ll all be in a lot better mood once the season starts. I’m expecting 47 wins minimum if that makes you feel better?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 31, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't.
But I’m very glad that you’ve accepted my apology. Looking forward to hearing from you more while we experience some success this season.
Rec'd boots. Nice read. I also feel that we are in good hands with Lacob.
by Only In Fairfax on Aug 30, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
Glad to hear, Fairfax
I hope Lacob does not let us down then. Looking forward to another interview with him.
are the finances out?
How did Lacob emerge as the great and powerful Oz?
Did the group specifically select a spokesperson, or is this how it always goes down?
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Curry can only get better by playing against better people and when he practice’s against not only the NBA’s elite he also practices against the Euro leagues elite and other country’s elite players. I think the sky is getting brighter today
by Curry is amazing on Aug 30, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
at the very least
at least curry’s on ball defense should improve from training under coach k and the international play. even if he is not athletic enough to keep up with some of the players out there, he will learn where he should be positioned and angles.
by diablo21911 on Aug 30, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Curry's athleticism
is an interesting topic. I actually think that Curry possesses elite quickness with the ball from an NBA guard standpoint. He may not be as fast and explosive as many of the best, but his quickness and first step is very impressive. His style is one that sacrifices speed for balance. For what it’s worth, I think Curry can keep defenders off balance as well as anyone in the league. He just does it a different way. Every time you watch the ball go up past his waist line, and his off hand begins to center, you hold your breath and pause for that split second, because you think he’s going to pull up and get it in the air with that quick release. Before you know it, the balls on its way back to earth and your trying to turn your hips the other way, while he’s got a shoulder past you.
I’m very curious to see how he keeps Aaron Brooks in front of him. It should be a good display to see how far he’s come on the defensive end.
by lilboots on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
defenders have a hard time staying in front of Curry because of the threat of his jumpshot. That weapon is vital because once Curry starts getting to the hole better and getting to the free throw line more then he will become that elite PG we all want him to be. Its like Jim Barnett said, “Defenders don’t know what Curry is going to do on offense and Curry doesn’t either until the defense tell him what to do.”
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Rec'd
for the reference to the opening night game!
Also, Steph does a great job of using his dribble to set up his move.
If you watch him in slo-mo, it’s like a chess player; you can see him setting up his shot (or move) a couple of steps ahead
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry has underated athletic
ability. He has good quickness and can get up more than he shows. Also you don’t get 4.5 rebounds at PG without being somewhat athletic and as a rookie at that.
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i hope curry learns to cut his TOs down
i saw something, i think on wages of wins, where it has Curry averaging 6.6 turnovers per 40 minutes of play. That’s horrid, but let’s also remember he averaged 3 turnovers per game last season as well.
Goal: 8 seed!
Totally agree that Steph needs to cut down on the TOs, though I don’t think the situation is quite as dire as those TeamUSA numbers suggest.
Here are his pts / ast / TO numbers from last season beginning with January 2010 (roughly when he started to take on full-time PG duties) :
Jan 19.1 / 5.1 / 2.7 (39.5 mpg)
Feb 21.5 / 7.3 / 3.8 (39.5 mpg)
Mar 19.8 / 7.3 / 3.7 (37.4 mpg)
Apr 26.4 / 8.1 / 3.1 (39.4 mpg)
Given the heavy usage he was getting as the season drew to a close, those April numbers (in eight games) are at least somewhat encouraging. But yeah … something to keep an eye on for sure. TOs, free throw attempts, and personal fouls are probably my three biggest areas of concern for him.
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by Sleepy Freud on Aug 31, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 31, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think assists
for me as well. I want to see Steph at 8 assists per game this year and hopefully down the road a he grows more he can average 10 assists a game
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Curry played well vs Iran other than a couple bad turnovers. Had 4 points, 4 rebounds, a steal and lead the team in assists with 5. Still has not been hitting the 3 well though
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