Sign Jerome Randle as our backup PG.
by farid on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 AM PDT
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PrintWith a couple of spots left unfilled on Warriors roster, it looks like there are 2 biggest voids: backup center and backup PG. Aside from Lin, there is another great Bay Area PG candidate whom we should consider signing: Jerome Randle.
One need in particular, that Jerome can fill instantly on the Warriors roster - he can dribble the ball in his sleep. He is great ball-handler and quick, tough one-on-one defender. Even if he does not play much, his presence alone can help Curry become a more proficient ball handler and cut down on turnovers.
While his role in college was scoring, Randle is at his best breaking down defense, driving and dishing. His shooting was very good as well: 50% from 2pt and 40% from 3pt while averaging 18.6 ppg. He can finish over taller defenders with confidence and he always was undersized so that situation will be nothing new for him.
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Not really.
D. Wright is a very good player. He fits well with the players we have surrounding him. He’s not a star, but does everything well.
He is a very reasonable, above-average NBA player.
I’m guessing the issue is we don’t have a SF behind Dorrell, and he doesn’t have a great track record of staying on the court?
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see why Reggie can’t be the backup 3, but it might be an issue if Monta and Curry are on the floor with him.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I still see Reggie as a smaller wing. Of course, he’s our best wing off the bench, so he’s clearly the best option there, but we’d really, really be hurting for size and length on the perimeter.
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't need another point guard.
I’m a huge Cal hoops fan and I enjoyed watching Jerome Randle play, but we don’t need him on this roster. Being a “tough” defender won’t make you a good one at the next level and there’s no way Randle is 5’10" as that is a generous listing. He has unlimited range and you’re about the handles, but I don’t think he’s an NBA player right now. With Lin already backing up Curry, that’s all we need at the point guard spot.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 30, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions
We do need another point guard.
Particularly if Curry goes down for a bit, and I think we can agree that Lin is far from sure thing right now. There is no one on our squad who can dribble well and bring the ball up the floor. We had numerous issues against full-court press at the end of the games last year. He is listed as 5’10 on DraftExpress, and that looks legit. Randle in my opinion is not quite ready for NBA yet, but he has a great chance to be very productive particularly because of his shooting and floor vision. I see him being better than Earl Boykins and there is definitely a place for backup PG of that type on any NBA team.
If we need a backup pg
we can get one from the D-league in the worst case.
we can get one from the D-league in the worst case.
Haha, probably better to aim for a better case?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think backup PG is our biggest need.
Unless Lin shows he has something.
But it doesn’t make sense to add another marginal NBA PG. We already have Lin – let’s see what he can do. If we add another PG, let him be a proven NBA commodity.
Another rookie point guard isn't a need.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 30, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Lin will be able to get to the line consistently on the next level.
He’s just one of those super intense guards who are mentally invested in the game at all times. That is half the battle. He has a very nice skill base that I think will translate beautifully. He’s our next Morrow.
Is Camby still available?
We need a backup C/PF. While I understand Camby is a bit of a redundancy after Biedrins, he is redundant in necessary categories. I don’t see how it necessarily hurts your roster by bringing in another big man who rebounds and defends. He’s old, but it’s not like anybody’s asking him to start. Unless….
Also
I like the idea of having a veteran center who used to be dominant at what he does, teaching Andris to improve on exactly the same things Camby used to do. Take Andris’ defense, he’s not a terrible defender, but you can see he’s clearly lacking technique. Reflexes, hustle, and athleticism – None of these things are hindering Andris from being a good defender on the block. Camby should be able to coach Biedrins a bit in practice and contribute towards building him into a more complete player. I like the stability and experience Camby brings. I see it as a low risk/high reward signing.
I like the idea of having a veteran center who used to be dominant at what he does, teaching Andris
Why not Nate Thurmond?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
nah
Beans was “offended” at the notion of Having Rick Barry teach him free throws…
Would probably be equally offended if Nate came in to help him on his post game
plus, Big Nate’s BBQ seems to have gone a little down-hill over the last couple years; although this is not related in any way to basketball, I thought it was germane to our conversation here
Remember:
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think having a great post player teach you post moves is quite the same as people telling you to shoot your FT’s underhanded….
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I also
think you get more going head to head with someone on your level who is more experienced than slowly going through post moves and techniques over an extended period of time.
Like any basketball skill, it’s definitely something you need to practice both on your own, and against real competition. Gotta refine that hook shot by just shooting it over and over and over the way you practice normal shooting, but also have to practice it against real competition to get the feel for that, too, you know?
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear you
they’re both very important in the developing process. Off topic, but would you think this would be a realistic trade scenario?
Golden State trades:
Ekpe Udoh
Vladamir Radmonavic
Dan Gadzuric
Utah trades:
Andrei Kirilenko
My hatred for Kirilenko runs too deep to even discuss the topic. I’ll leave it to others to judge it a bit more objectively. ;)
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll call up Lacob to make the deal. He thinks objectively on the subject ;)
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Besides from looking
like a bird, whining, speaking when unspoken to, what don’t you like about Kirilenko? Mind you, I won’t defend him, I’m just curious to know.
A whole lot of the way he looks and the way he plays. Also, he’s Russian.
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
On a semi-related subject, I hate Devean George as well.
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
A whole lot of the way he looks and the way he plays and the teams he’s played for.
by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So what if he’s Russian?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My dad doesn't like Russians, either.
He thinks they’re always sneaking around and up to no good. I never had a problem with them. They have a harsh language that I enjoy listening to, and I was best friends with one when I was a kid.
Devean George? haha…
LOL, my friend Eldar (such a russian name) is cool.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I did hear a good line the other day that applies to this conversation….
Me: so, why is Lithuania so good at basketball?
Lithuanian: To beat the $^$#ing Russians. We couldn’t do anything about Russian occupation, but we could beat them at $%$#ing basketball.
by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an unbelievably good trade for us.
Well, it is because I’m notwhere near sold on Udoh.
All of a sudden, our frontcourt depth problem is solved. We’re still a tad undersized (running B. Wright out at center sometimes.)
The downside is that Kirlienko is an expiring. Even if Udoh never becomes as good as Kirlenko is, five years of him could be worth more than one year of Kirlenko. But the idea of Kirlenko as a swing forward is appealing.
Indeed he is an expiring
However, it bides us proper time to navigate a plan via the upcoming draft, scouting targeted swings with conviction, or possibly snagging a player in FA with the hopeful success this season will bring.
I'd rather talk to the Pistons
about Prince
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Prince is another one
only problem with that one is his salary. I’m not sure, but I think he makes roughly around the 9 mil area, while Udoh makes around 3-4 million. Our expiring bigs make around 7 million. In order to fill up the contract while offering value, the salaries wouldn’t quite match up correctly. Pistons would have to involve somebody else. Also, I think I like Kirilenko’s game a little more for our roster. I just like AK’s passing a little more.
I actually have always questioned what Kirilenko would be able to bring playing someone but Utah. That offense is a great fit for his lack of skills.
by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
me as well
I really wanted the Warriors taking Monroe or Aldrich instead, Not saying Udoh is a bust, i just thought those two are better on different sides (Monroe offensively, Aldrich defensively) than Ekpe is.
This idea is pretty good. Add Fesenko to replace Gadzuric though. We can’t have Brandan playing back up for Beans.
And in people you mean Rick Barry who is a known big jerk.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to listen to his radio show
every day during my morning shifts on the job site. He definitely does not have a way with people. He is a very intolerant man, but what a player. I’m sure he would’ve been a guy who you would’ve loved to have on your team, but after he retired, it seems like everyone just wanted him to go away.
That radio show was sort of his final stand in the public eye. I’m not really sure what he can do now. He has anger issues and I don’t see him having the patience and tolerance of being a personal coach. But maybe. After all, he did have what, 4 sons play in the NBA? Pretty good odds of being successful with him being your per. coach. Still, on the other hand, it’s not like his sons actually have that great of a relationship with him. I guess in a unique situation with the right player, not players, he could be a great one on one coach. I just think being a father, and someone of his stature, he got away with a lot coaching his sons, that he’d never get away with coaching a grown man, a stranger.
I honestly would consider hiring him as a coach if I were Lacob. Maybe not head coach but maybe head of skill development. Maybe he s a jerk, but he’ll teach our young guys how to play.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be open to that idea
although I have the sneaking suspicion that he would constantly try to tell the head coach how to do his job. Along with being a Hall of Famer, and one of the 50 greatest, comes an entitlement that endorses the notion of speaking out of turn, and voicing disagreements at every opportune moment. I don’t think it’s in Rick’s blood to remain silent if there’s something he doesn’t like from the head coach.
That’s an important quality to have as an assistant, and I don’t have faith in Rick’s ability to be a good little soldier. I think he thinks he was destined for greater things. I think it’ll be cool in the beginning, but on the bench(if he got that high) or more likely on the practice court, I think as a grown man under contract, the head coach would take him aside and say “Look, I appreciate the insight, but shut the hell up.” Then things would fly off the handle.
I could see Rick running his own private workouts while the coach takes others aside and has them watch film or whatever they do, or possibly just stand aside and oversee the situation. But, Rick is an incomparable control freak. The dude is just wired that way. It’s gotten him far, and I don’t think he’s going to abandon that for anybody or anything, even if it’s an offer from Lacob.
And keep in mind, even knowing basketball alone doesn’t make someone a good coach. You have to be a good teacher – which means communication and ability to work and get through to others….
by Missing Barry on Aug 30, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he would be a good teacher with his skills. I don’t think he could handle much more than dealing with one player at a time. Maybe we assign him to Reggie or Curry?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Rick Barry and Kobe Bryant are very similar players in terms of their production, work ethic, and stubbornness and douchebaggery off the court.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I've told this story before, and I apologize if you're reading it a second time.
I went to a game one time with my pops, and who sits down right in front of us but the man himself. So my dad says, “Hey Rick, loved watching you play growing up.” He looked at him and nodded. So I chime in half-jokingly, “Yeah, why don’t you get Brent to play over here? We could sure use him :)” This was the year the Spurs had signed him to a contract.
He turned around and looked me in the eye with absolutely no expression on his face, and he says, “Because he wouldn’t win a championship.” Then he turned around and said nothing. Classic Rick. I looked at my dad and sort of shrugged and just kept watching the game.
But later on in the game, Jason Richardson came up with a steal and Mike Dunleavy ran along side him as they opened the fast break. Jason was on the sideline and kept the ball as he streaked down with Dunleavy to his right with his hands ready. Jason didn’t pass, the defender disturbed the dribble, and he lost the ball out of bounds. Mike Dunleavy began to whine.
My dad pipes up again and says, “What did he do wrong, Rick?” Then, Barry turned around with energy and said, “Well, you see, Jason should have given the ball up to Dunleavy as soon as he came up with the steal. Mike’s the better ball handler and makes better decisions. Jason should’ve known that. Then he needed to give him an angle and let it work itself out. He made a stupid play…stupid play….”
I could see his eagerness to teach and his passion for the game. I just think he’s a little too mechanical to succeed on most levels of interpersonal communication. Not a lot of tact if you get my drift. The only way he can effectively get across to you over a long period of time where you’re not going to grow to spite him, is if you are indeed, a fellow robot.
by lilboots on Aug 30, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
No.
He was just being Rick. I don’t think a smile or tone translates as well to him as most people would like to think. He gets down to business. I will say one thing about him, he never took his eyes away from the game. He was completely immersed in what was going on on the court at all times. He had his old ’75 warm up jacket on that night. Probably wore it the during pregame the night he brought us a championship ring… The yellow one with the blue stitching. I admired that jacket.
revealing anecdote
your father gave you a great spot to watch the game. Barry didn’t treat your queries with superficial, ‘you serious ?’ replies, but gave very straight answers. If you consider him old school, his father was even more so, working class ,catholic, Depression childhood, NJ.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
I was a bit immature
at the time, and probably spoke a bit out of turn. I’ve always appreciated a straight shooter, and Rick is very old school in that regard. He doesn’t mince words. He’s really a good guy who’s probably one of the most passionate member’s of the game, ever. That’s why, when my father asked him about the play, I was actually expecting the cold shoulder. But he turned around and really wanted to explain it in a way to make you understand.
Barry is probably sick of the constant familiarity he gets from fans, while he just as soon prefer to watch the game, uninterrupted. I’d like to think Rick would make an exceptional coach on the Division 1 level, just to show them all he can do it.
I have no information if he’s interested or if he’s turned down offers. Just something I think he’d be good at. It’s either his rules, or you don’t play, bottom line. You just can’t do that in the pros with a bag of mixed nuts. There’s too much money and reputation on the line to call all the shots. Nellie could tell Barry all about that.
By the way Monk, if you’re ever interested in reading about a product from a depression era family out of Hoboken, there’s a book about a fella named Richard Kuklinski. He worked for the Gambino’s among many other clients. Not sure if True Crime is your bag, but it’s one of the best I’ve read. “The Iceman: confessions of a Mafia serial killer.” :)
That book sounded interesting so I ordered it through my county library.
The author is Anthony Bruno and my library also has an HBO dvd based on the book.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 1, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
On a similiar. Fun fact...
Toby Ziegler’s ( the actor on West Wing (president"s staff guy) father was an assassin for Murder Incorporated during the depression.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 1, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
no,
the author is supposed to be Philip Carlo. You can watch the interviews on youtube. Carlo is a very good writer within the crime genre. He’s written two others that I really like, “The Night Stalker”, about Richard Ramirez, the killer who was terrorizing L.A. suburbs during around the time I was born, and “The Butcher”, about a mafioso guy from Brooklyn, who used to kill people and dismember them at the local meat shop. I imagine that’s where they got the inspiration for the Sopranos’ Satriales meat shop.
All of them good books. This interview is probably one of the best I’ve seen. Here’s a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-FzVKX3JA8&feature=related
There are three in total.
Good story, I can definitely see that, the few things I’ve read from NBA players with regards to Rick haven’t been too kind….
by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like I wouldn't want him to teach me free-throws either
Remember:
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems odd that a pro team would not a big man teacher on board from the beginning.
If a young center like Beans is helped and school/mentored from the beginning and forms a relationship then it works. Have to wonder with everything else swirling around if laying that onto Beans at this moment in time is the right timing/ confidence wise…..on the other hand I would expect a pro to be constantly seeking to improve and looking for this type of help. Do we know for a fact that he has not been doing that? If not I would and have been wondering where he is mentally.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 1, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Camby was signed to a 2 year deal by the Blazers
they like him
Flannelcore
by Reverend_Randy on Aug 30, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll bet they find
a SF in training camp. If not, I’d like George.
Of course, we need a back up center too. Amundson would be fine.
I still think Ellis can do some minutes at PG so I don’t think we need another PG.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
our biggest need is a back up C
Because right now we have Gadzooks and that’s it
which means Lee at the C…
Although if B Wright can stay healthy, I really wouldn’t mind seeing a three-player rotation at PF/C with B Wright, Beans and Lee
I think that we should really be trying to find our 8-man rotation, so am not very worried about the dregs at the end of our bench
Remember:
A Warriors fan with low expectations is a happy Warriors fan
any news on this front?
I thought his “Decision” was coming at the end of last week
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 30, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
he probably wants a lot of money.
or he should have a team by now.
yeah
sounds like it is pretty much a given that he will not be playing for the Suns next sesason
Plus, you still have another month before training camps start, so why rush?
If we do get Lou though, gonna be a logjam at PF/C when Udoh gets healthy
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 31, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
same thing with Earl Barron
the center from the Knicks. Showed he can provide quality minutes in a short stint. Now asking for more money, and is still out of a team to play.
and yeah Lou will cause logjams, so a legit center is really what the Warriors should be looking for. But the remaining names are either old or scrubs, unless they can find D-League magic again, we’re stuck with Gadzooks or the idea of Lee playing Center.
Hope Udoh gains 10 or so pounds and not slow him down make him feel heavy. He can be the 2nd option center.
I like Randle, I could see him at least having some use to an NBA team at some point in the near future – with that kind of quickness in the NBA these days and his shooting ability, he at least brings something to the table, even if it’s not all that much. Apparently we like Lin, though.
I agree with you
With Lin we might not have many minutes left for Randle to develop, but I think he can develop behind the scenes better than most players. Even if lets say Lin becomes next Nash, we can still use Randle as a trade chip or insurance in the future. He looks solid, and i think he is better than ty Lawson, so why not?
No, no no. Ty Lawson is a stud in the NBA. Randle is a borderline 12th man.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Aug 30, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta go with this, I think Randle could at least stick in the NBA, but Ty Lawson is actually a solid player that deserves minutes. Randle is more of a end of the bench type….
by Missing Barry on Aug 31, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Lin had some great plays in the summer league against Wall
small sample size, but still looked pretty good
by Duby Dub Dubs on Aug 31, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
can they sign a backup center instead...
as I feel Gadzuric wont do too good and David Lee will end up playing center minutes, stressing him out more physically and making his injury probability high. And that’s something the Warriors won’t want.
Though aside from Amundson I don’t see anybody else that can provide quality minutes.
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