Does Warriors marketing have inside information about Andris?
by ikiru36 on Aug 31, 2010 11:59 AM PDT
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PrintThis is an honest question wondering whether the Warriors marketing/apparel sales apparatus takes Team Management info into account in planning their sales and distributions. The question comes up upon looking at the Warriors Team Store and it makes me wonder about Biedrins' future with the Warriors.
On the linked page, there are new jersey T-shirts available for Ellis, Curry, Lee, D. Wright, B. Wright and Jeremy Lin. There is not one available for Andris. I can certainly understand Ellis, Lee, and Curry driving apparel sales ahead of Andris, and perhaps their wanting to push D. Wright as a major new acquisition (whether accurate or not). I also understand the buzz around J. Lin which they may be intelligently taking advantage of. On the other hand, it is difficult to see why B. Wright (whom I actually like and whom I hope will learn to fly again...) should get higher billing or seem likely to have more of a following than Biedrins (what of our boistrous Latvian fanbase!).
Was this simply an oversight or do they know something we don't about the likelihood of Andris being dealt?
Additionally, I have in the past noted the Jersey Clearance opportunities which occur around when someone gets dealt, and for some reason Andris' Hardwood Classic jersey is the one on sale right now. I also realize that at the moment his is the only one for sale at all, so perhaps his are the only remaining ones?
In any event, not trying to stir up trouble and I'm hoping that there's some other less nefarious reasons but just thought I'd point it out and see if anyone has more inside info or thoughts re: this. I personally hope Andris stays with us, gets his FT % above the speed limit (ideally of interstate highways, though I'd settle for 55 at this point), and other wise returns to his productive if not wholly spectacular self of old. I'd particularly hate to sell at such a low-point on him and not get good value in return. How much could any team justify giving for him as a (and I always have to look this up again to make sure it's not a typo) 16% free throw shooter last season!
Go Andris (as in to Rick Barry, asap)!!!!!!!!!! Go Warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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troubling
but I bet hope that it has more to do with the fact that Beans stunk so bad last year, nobody bought his jersey
Does Jacob have a team running the marketing sales division at this time duh....
Actually if you wanted to not show your hand then you would cover it by making sure there are a few extra jerseys of your inteded victim out there for sale.
A. Could be that Beans loyal followers snapped them all up to express their loyalty.
B. Some purchasing manager screwed up.
C. Dont read anything into this. Marketing would be the last to know.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
This
But I bet the photo/media people know who to focus around in there pictures though
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Was this simply an oversight or do they know something we don't about the likelihood of Andris being dealt?
I don’t know the answer but I’m impressed by your powers of observation. It’s nice to hear someone actually seeing what they are looking at..
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 31, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
My brain just melted thanks..
It’s nice to hear someone actually seeing what they are looking at..
by cybermaldonado on Aug 31, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
I doubt there’s anything to this. If there was a deal in place that was absolutely cemented, leaving only Lacob to take complete control and then pull the trigger, then why have we not heard about it? If Lacob can give the word to Riley, why can’t Riley simply make the deal and say it was his idea? Was this not the case with Jeremy Lin? Why didn’t the Pargo signing fall through?
It’s one thing to say Biedrins will be traded. This implies that there will be a lot of negotiating, even if a deal is proposed, to be sure that you’re getting the most value you can for him.
Now is not that time. It’s not going to be until he plays better. Off topic, but I can imagine Lacob doesn’t want to deal Andris. Consistency partners well with winning. Lacob has watched Andris grow into a double-double player, and Dris has always been professional and loyal to the franchise. Last season was the first time we’ve seen him so frustrated. Do you really think Lacob just wants to come in hear and pull the plug on a disenchanted player who he’s watched grow up and earn a contract, over a period during which he had absolutely no control and say over the team? No.
Unless there is a deal that is being offered to us that you shouldn’t say no to(unlikely given AB’s past season) I would think Joe is going to make Andris a prime example of how he’s determined to change the attitude and low morale around this franchise.
What would it say about Joe Lacob as a man, and as an owner, if Andris were cursing and kicking a can around the dirt one day, then skipping down the street the next day, in a propellor hat with two handful’s of red licorice. Think about that. Andris is giving him a chance to show how he handles and takes care of his players. Mind you, it’s more tolerable of a situation and favorable to Lacob, because Andris can actually play, and he’s young.
All Biedrins's items should be sold for $16
Representing the horrible percentage he shot from last year!
by iHypeTV on Aug 31, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm 100% positive management will trade him on first good offer
His lack of commitment + disparaging comments have bought him little sympathy in my heart. I’m surprised so many Warriors fans want him around when he’s made little effort to improve and actually regressed.
After signing a $54 million contract I expected to see him improve. You know, I wasn’t expecting anything massive, perhaps a little more of a post game and improved defense. Not only did he just stay the same, but he regressed in many ways, mostly in mentality, blaming EVERYONE BUT HIMSELF for issues in GSW. I don’t care if he rebounds at a high rate or has an impressive true shooting percentage. He has a losers mentality.
Maybe, infact probably, he’ll do better elsewhere, but I doubt he’ll ever be a game changer. Trade him first time a respectable offer comes. I’d much rather play a PF at C and make a big run at Horford or (ideally) Gasol next summer.
Taf you are way over-reacting.
He was injured but the Warriors didnt take care of him and had him playing making it worse so he had second medical opinions…I would do the same.
Nelson called him out in public for a bit of public humiliation….after Nelsons previous examples such as Crawford…how would you react if you were teated like that.
His comments were taken out of the context of a larger discussion which after I read the whole translation was not close to the media headline. More like a light comment rather than your screaming all caps "blaming EVERYONE BUT HIMSELF " assertion.
I feel that we should look at his whole body of work so far and his overall persona and attitude while on the warriors before passing such un-evenhanded judgement.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 1, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, I've gone to double digit warriors games last 3 or so years (since i moved back to bay post college)...
And his lack of ‘fire’ is just alarming. Guy has little heart and commitment. He’s a guy who you can put on a good team where he’s expected to be a role player rebounding. But on GSW, he was expected to take a more active role, he didn’t do that… not only did he not do that, he shrunk up.
I just think he’s INCREDIBLY mentally weak and I don’t care what advanced stats you show me, I don’t think you can overcome that once playoffs start.
Honestly...
It sounds to me like you’ve let him get under your skin. There are legitimate reasons to be critical of Andris, but the style and content of your posts sound pretty irrational and over the top.
lack of ‘fire’ is just alarming
Stuff like this is exactly what I’m talking about. Does Tim Duncan’s lack of ‘fire’ bother you too? When you make comments like that you are just picking on personality issues that don’t have anything to do with his game.
He’s a guy who you can put on a good team where he’s expected to be a role player rebounding. But on GSW, he was expected to take a more active role, he didn’t do that…
Why does that bother you? He is a complementary player. He rebounds extremely well, and finds a way to score efficiently and a moderate rate. Why expect more from him?
The guy had a very rough season last year because of injuries, and possibly struggles with his confidence, but he still did those things well when he had the opportunity. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt instead of being so critical. It just comes off sounding like you have an axe to grind.
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by olympicmike on Sep 2, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe he’s been reading the “quality” front page posts from someone for too long…
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 2, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading Beans would be a disaster at C...who are we going to get at his contract with his production and potential...why throw him out after a bad year.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 1, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I mentioned a couple free agent names
Which of course is overzealous on my part. But i’d take both over him. I’m 100% positive Gasol will leave and 95% on Horford (unless atlanta make a trade to cut salary). It might put the team at disadvantage this year but they weren’t going places this year anyway.
There is not a single thing you just said that I agree with even a little bit.
His lack of commitment
What “lack of commitment”?
disparaging comments have bought him little sympathy in my heart
What are these “disparaging comments”? I strongly suspect you’re referring to something like his recent comments SFGate reported completely and utterly out of context. I read the interview. I didn’t see anything disparaging about any comment he made.
After signing a $54 million contract I expected to see him improve. You know, I wasn’t expecting anything massive, perhaps a little more of a post game and improved defense
What are you talking about? Biedrins went out and had his best year after he signed that contract. He improved his passing substantially. He increased his scoring. He increased his rebounding. Kept doing the other things well. He DID improve. Then he got hurt for the next season, reaggravated it, and ended up playing the season injured, as we found out when his season ended and he had to have surgery. You mean a guy regressed when he played the small part of the season he did hurt? Sounds pretty expected to me. Heck, at a few points I even saw Biedrins show off some post moves he had been developing, and Nellie actually ran plays designed for him. He’s improved consistently since he came into the league, to the point where he became a very solid starting C. Being hurt last year doesn’t change that.
by Missing Barry on Sep 1, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
hang on to Beans
He is a solid value and I think we need to see him play with Lee
buy low, sell high…now is certainly not a good time to put him on the market
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 1, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
What "lack of commitment"?
Going to mexico over all star break instead of working on his HORRIBLY depreciating game. Oh but he got an excellent tan :D
What are these "disparaging comments"? I strongly suspect you’re referring to something like his recent comments SFGate reported completely and utterly out of context. I read the interview. I didn’t see anything disparaging about any comment he made.
Comments to latvian media. I didn’t see Monta do anything like that and he had just as much right. Point being, when you suck and set nba record for horrible free throw shooting you should probably shut up and go work on your game instead of saying you’re ‘embarassed to shoot underhand’.
I’m sorry I side with Nellie “the only thing embarassing is his free throw shooting”
As for your last point, I disagree, he still has zero post game, he’s a garbage player. And thats fine, but I’ve seen no real change. I just don’t think he’ll get any better, I think he’ll get worse
Comments to latvian media
Yeah, the ones taken entirely out of context? I’d like to know what he said, specifically, that you object to?
And Andris shot 25 FT’s last year. 25. Random variation happens. The whole FT problems are completely overblown. Plus, YOU try shooting FT’s with a torn ab muscle.
you should probably shut up and go work on your game
Like he has been, evidenced by his consistent improvement he’s shown every year since he came in the league?
As for your last point, I disagree, he still has zero post game, he’s a garbage player. And thats fine, but I’ve seen no real change. I just don’t think he’ll get any better, I think he’ll get worse
Zero post game doesn’t strike me as accurate at all. I’ve seen it. It’s not a strength of his by any means, and he’s not going to be a consistent post player, but he’s got some nice touch and every once in a while can give us something down there. He’s not a strong post player, but he’s not Ben Wallace, either. He does have some offensive skills.
As for being a garbage player, showing no real change, and thinking he’ll get worse…..none of that makes any sense whatsoever. Biedrins has shown himself to be a solid player, at least if you value things that help win games, like passing, scoring effciiently, rebounding, and playing ok defense. Garbage players are usually more like Mikki Moore – guys that DON’T do any of those things. And why would you expect a 24 year old to get worse? That just doesn’t make sense.
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, YOU try shooting FT’s with a torn ab muscle.
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m surprised so many Warriors fans want him around
it’s cause he’s a very personable guy, easy to like no matter what problems he’s having with his health or shots. I want to see another year of Dre before even considering pushing the trade button. Right now he’s at his lowest possible value compared to the things we’d get in return.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 1, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh
I’m not going to make it a race thing but I suspect that has something to do with ‘personable’ thing. But certainly more personable than southern poor speaking monta right!? Same monta who didn’t come out and kill his coach/team in media when he had the same right to as andris
I find him a role player at best and generally frustrating how hunger-less he is. He’s very fine being the player he is. That’s not a winning mentality. He’s NOT on the lakers where he would just be asked to rebound and put back.
He is expected to take a more active role, and he’s just uninterested. A more active role 99.9% of nba players would relish.
I do consider myself lucky. I consider myself lucky, because of the contract I have received. I feel I have had a successful career so far and individually I have reached a lot of goals that I have worked for my whole life. If we talk about the team, I’m lucky as well. If another team drafted me, maybe I would have never gotten a chance to prove myself and to show my abilities. You never know, maybe another team would have traded me, maybe I would have been out of the league in three years. Our team had faith in me, I didn’t play for two years, they kept me and I will be forever grateful for it to them.
That’s one of the things he said to the Latvian media. When you said he came out and killed his coach/team in the media, I honestly have 0 clue what you’re talking about.
I’m also not a big fan of judgments like “how hunger-less he is”. “He’s very fine being the player he is”. He’s a big time rebounder, he gets blocks, he gets steals, he does the hustle things we usually associate with, you know, energy players. He’s consistently improved throughout his career, another thing that suggests he’s fine just being who he is. In the offseason int he past he’s usually gone and played for his national team, where he takes on a bigger role because he’s more talented on that team, relatively speaking. He does the little things that contribute to winning, even though they don’t typically get credited the way something like scoring points does. Seriously, all those things you’re talking about seem completely based on your subjective/biased opinion (not calling you out individually for being biased, just pointing out all humans are biased when they form impressions), I’d like to see any sort of objective evidence that backs them up, especially since all the evidence I see suggests the exact opposite…
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s consistently improved throughout his career, another thing that suggests he’s not fine just being who he is
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to see any sort of objective evidence that backs them up, especially since all the evidence I see suggests the exact opposite…
Even if you want to take 09/10 out of it (and i don’t subscribe to that logic but just to appease you I will)…
Even by statistics he hasn’t though. His 2007/8 numbers are almost identical to his 08/09. Slightly higher (SLIGHTLY) rebounders and points per 36. Lower percentages. He still fouls way too often as evident by 4.6 per 36 in 07/08 and 08/09 and staggering 5.5 in 09/10
I don’t see where you’re getting evidence of improvement? Are we talking about from 2006? Then yes he has. But that’s not my point. My point is he’s stalled out in last 3 seasons and I see ZERO signs he’ll get better than what is, which is alarming for a guy who is only 22 (in 2008) to stop real growth in his game.
He’s not a BAD player. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think he’s bad. But I don’t think he’ll be much better and I’d trade him for just about any impact player @ any position, as I found centers with his skill-set very easy to replace. There might be a slight drop off to Dalembert for ex. (picking random name of a rebound, block shot and run the floor and dunk big). But i’d rather hunt for that player while having someone like Iguodala than keep Biedrins
I am a bit confused
seems like you had some high expectations that Biedrins, because he was young, was going to become a very skilled offensive player.
But i’d rather hunt for that player while having someone like Iguodala than keep Biedrins.
Not really sure where this is coming from and might be reading this wrong but no way the 76ers trade Iggy for Biedrins. I can’t even see them going Ellis and Biedrins for Iggy.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Sep 2, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Phili is more likely to trade Iggy for a package around Biedrins than Monta
Just because reason they’d trade him is to make Turner SG next to Holliday, not run small ball.
My expectations for Biedrins was to improve. I don’t want to get into ‘stats’ but heck, i see Perkins, Nene and players who were just as ‘raw’ as biedrins develop more game than him. Some sort of shot (be it 8 foot set shot or turn around flick etc.). I’ve seen nothing. More so Biedrins defense really hasn’t improved, he’s every bit as soft as he was. His game has stalled out as a rebounding specialist. Useful and all, but the amount of praise he receives on GSoM is a little excessive in my opinion
now I am really confused
Just because reason they’d trade him is to make Turner SG next to Holliday, not run small ball.
Yeah but then what does Monta play? Wouldn’t Turner then have to move to SF so Lou and Monta get minutes? Wouldn’t it just be better for them to move Iggy to the SF to let Turner play SG? If they do a trade for a big wouldn’t they just be better off looking for someone not named Biedrins?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Sep 2, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you misread what I said (or i didn't type clearly)
I said I don’t THINK they’d want Monta for that reason. They’d be more inclined to take a trade centering around Biedrins. Biedrins + expirings for Iggy + contract? I dunno, maybe a draft pick.
brainfart
no I just read it wrong
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I really just don’t agree with the entire basis of your argument/perception in your last few comments.
Even if you want to take 09/10 out of it (and i don’t subscribe to that logic but just to appease you I will)…
I won’t say I know exactly how to treat it, but the facts I know are this: It was 763 minutes, compared to almost 4000 the previous two years. So it doesn’t represent a large chunk of the sample size of his last 3 years in terms of estimating true talent. Second, we also know he was injured, and I think we all can reasonably agree that injuries can definitely affect performance. So while I’m not sure exactly how to handle it, I am convinced this past seasons performance isn’t a very big piece of the picture.
Even by statistics he hasn’t though. His 2007/8 numbers are almost identical to his 08/09. Slightly higher (SLIGHTLY) rebounders and points per 36. Lower percentages. He still fouls way too often as evident by 4.6 per 36 in 07/08 and 08/09 and staggering 5.5 in 09/10
His rebounding per 36 over his career, with total minutes second (to get an idea of the sample size for variance purposes):
11.1, 384
10.2, 1000
11.5, 2382
12.9, 2078
13.4, 1863
12.2, 763
I see real improvement in rebouding over his career, until a fairly small sample of playing hurt. He almost doubled his assist rate from 07-08 to 08-09. He increased his offensive output, from ~10 points to ~12 points to a bit under 14 to a bit over 14. He’s maintained a great efficiency (TS%), which has stayed pretty consistent other than a one year spike which looks awfully like sample error to me. He’s dramatically improved his FT shooting – he’s still not good, but he’s no longer awful. He cut down his fouls. He’s shown some nice improvement. As for the fouls, his 5.1 per 40 minutes in 08-09 was actually slightly under the 5.4 average for C’s. He posted a mark very close to that for 3 seasons of large PT until this past season (where again, he was hurt). His fouls aren’t a problem.
The one premise I do agree with is he probably doesn’t have much improvement left. At this point he’s 24, and 24 year olds are pretty close to their peak. He is what he is, which is great, because unless he really did significantly regress (which I don’t see good reason to think he did), he’s a nice asset on an affordable long term contract and he should be able to maintain his production throughout it.
But I don’t think he’ll be much better and I’d trade him for just about any impact player @ any position, as I found centers with his skill-set very easy to replace.
I don’t see this at all. How will you trade him for an impact player? Biedrins isn’t an impact player, so who’s going to give one up to get him, unless he’s a secondary part of a package, rather than the primary part. C has the lowest replacement value of any position, because it’s hard to find replacements. There just aren’t that many guys that can do it. Then you talk about Philly trading Iguodala for Biedrins – that seems very contradictory to me – if he’s easy to replace, why would Philly give up an impact player for him? And if Dalembert is comparable, why would they give up Dalembert for garbage but then trade Iguodala to essentially replace him?
i see Perkins, Nene and players who were just as ‘raw’ as biedrins develop more game than him
I see two guys that are…..fairly comparable to Biedrins, and also mostly lack a post game, and really haven’t shown anything close to the type of improvement you apparently expect ouf of Biedrins. Those guys are limited role players in the mold of Biedrins.
Next, big men are expensive.
the amount of praise he receives on GSoM is a little excessive in my opinion
Honestly, I think most of the “praise” is people like me defending him against what I think are totally unfounded and unfair accusations. If Biedrins lived up to what you seem to want out of him, he’d be a legitimate All-Star right now. He’s a role player on a good contract. We know that. That’s a useful piece to have, though. He is what he is.
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fair enough.
But we have the same problem if we acquire Igoudala, unless we simultaneously trade Monta for a big.
But I don’t think he’ll be much better and I’d trade him for just about any impact player @ any position, as I found centers with his skill-set very easy to replace. There might be a slight drop off to Dalembert for ex. (picking random name of a rebound, block shot and run the floor and dunk big). But i’d rather hunt for that player while having someone like Iguodala than keep Biedrins
This is a great example, in my opinion, of how people dismiss advantages as small because they’re not obvious.
Looking at per/36s, career (which should be favorable to Dalembert because he’s got more years, and thus his rookie year counts for less) shows us:
Biedrins is a better rebounder
Biedrins is a better stealer
Biedrins is a better passer
Biedrins is better at not turning the ball over
BIedrins is a much more efficient scorer
Biedrins is a better volume scorer
Whereas:
Dalembert is better at blocks
Dalembert is better at not fouling opponents.
It’s really not close. Biedrins is MUCH better than Dalembert. Oh, yeah, and he makes $3m less a year.
I find it funny that you say you see ZERO improvement in Biedrins in the last three seasons, but if you ignore his last injured season, you notice a couple of things about 2008-09:
Biedrins improved his Block rate
Biedrins improved his assist rate
Biedrins posted the best reb/36 of his career.
Biedrins posted the best points/36 of his career
Biedrins posted the second best FT% of his career
How is that not showing improvement?
it’s a little baffling, quite frankly, how you can say he showed ZERO (all caps) improvement. It’s quite clear, quite frankly, that he was still improving until he got hurt.
staggering 5.5 in 09/10
I thought you agreed to throw out 09/10.
Repeat after me:
He was injured. He was injured. He was injured.
It’s that simple. Choosing to ignore that just makes your overall point weaker.
Carmelo Shmarmelo
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 2, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s NOT on the lakers where he would just be asked to rebound and put back.
I am a little confused. Did you expect him to turn into a completely different player when he signed the contract? If he returns to pre last year form, is that still bad in your view?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
No, I expect him to improve the way Marc Gasol, Al Horford (two guys who most people wouldn’t rate as good as Biedrins circa 2008) have. He’s stayed stagnant. He’s content being a specialist instead of being best player he could possibly be. I don’t ever expect him to be Pau Gasol or anything (just trying to think of most skilled big I could) BUT I do expect SOMETHING
I must admit I never though of Biedrins as having the upside of Hortford.
I guess Gasol surprised me last year a little but I always thought Hortford was more likely to have a more versatile game than Biedrins.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Sep 2, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? I kind of thought opposite cause of Horford being undersized @ Center spot
But I guess a high motor and working hard in off seasons can overcome those things ;)
Honestly, I don’t see what the problem is when comparing M Gasol, Horford and Biedrins. We’re talking about 3 players who are all fairly comparable, and especially looking at Horford, his improvement in his 3 years in the NBA looks almost exactly the same as Biedrins improvement in the 3 years of 06-07 to 08-09 in my view. I really think your criticism is completely unfair.
by Missing Barry on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not going to make it a race thing but I suspect that has something to do with ‘personable’ thing. But certainly more personable than southern poor speaking monta right!?
No, Montay is very personable also, I love to hear him talk about Montay jr. Dre goes out and hugs Barnett and always seems very friendly, nothing racially specific about those qualities.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 2, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
"I find him a role player at best and generally frustrating how hunger-less he is"
Beans persona is possibly a bit of a cultural thing as well. I have worked on projects from Norway through that Finland/Latvia area and Beans seems pretty typical to me of people that I worked with IE: in normal course at work not a lot of emotion is displayed. Display of straight proffessionalism without emotion is highly valued. Different deal at hm/bar with friends though and after a tough year with lots of critism I would guess that Beans needed to go hm and let his hair down(pun) and probably regrets the interview. Just a possible take on this microscopic scrutiny that we are deep into here on a 24 yr old.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 3, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting point
And I see what you’re saying.
My point is his game regressed and from what I’ve seen and read, he really doesn’t put in the effort other players do on his game.
My point is his game regressed
How so? All the analysis from everyone else kinda shows that he’s improved every year of his career until his injury year.
Carmelo Shmarmelo
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 3, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you seeing and reading that makes you think that? I’m really curious.
by Missing Barry on Sep 3, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Comments of nelson/coaching staff that he needs to work harder....
The fact he takes time off midseason to go to mexico etc.
Look i’m not saying he’s out partying and being reckless, i just think he’s VERY content at level he’s at. And while it’s certainly a serviceable level and at full health, a fairly paid level, it’s disconcerting because in my opinion every player should ALWAYS be striving to improve. I don’t want to pull out Jordan quotes or anything, but he’s just not as hungry as other players, PARTICULARLY FOR HIS AGE. He’s not some 34 year old career role player, just looking for a right fit. He could be more than that, but he’s comfortable as just that.
A perfect example of opposite of what I mean is Marc Gasol. Gasol had a good rookie year. By no means bad, definitely starting center level production. Not elite, but not bad. But what did he do in off-season? Spent whole time losing weight becoming more athletic so he could take his game up a level. Those were never problems Biedrins had. He was blessed with great athleticism for a man his size.
I just think he’s a very content player. And I don’t find that a trait I want in a franchise cornerstone. I would not trade him for anything. On the contrary, we need value if we do, but I do think he needs to leave sooner or later
I dunno, I think it’s hard for us as outsiders to judge how much work a guy is really putting in, since we don’t see it and really don’t even get reports about what they spend their time doing. When Biedrins is off playing in Latvia in the offseason, who’s going to report that, you know?
by Missing Barry on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
there has just been a focus shift…he is in line behind curry ellis and lee and a lesser extent Lin (since he is a local guy made good story) who are more marketable players. they started selling the replica jerseys and both his new home and away are included and for sale. i think people just got on edge and worked up over that interview of him that was quoted slightly out of context. (not out of context really, but when put into reading the article as a whole, the comments seemed a lot more tame then just taking blurbs from it were). that and the interveriew occuring during an injury riddled year for him and the team, naturally going to be a frustrated. I’m sure seing what the team has done and getting healthy probably have him in a good place ready to contribute.
A B and Lee
I don’t think they should get rid of Biedrins for nothing but they do need another type of Center as the backup.
I don’t think Biedrins and Lee will work together for long stretches because they both hang around down low jamming up the post. Only this year has Lee show signs with his jumpshot, He works best with a Center playing the high post. leaving him in one on ones down low,and in good rebounding position. A Channing Frye north.
Lee will work together for long stretches because they both hang around down low jamming up the post.
Er … what? By big man’s standards, neither of them “hangs around down low” much at all. Both are constantly in motion; Lee is among the best big men in the league at shooting and passing from the high post; Biedrins is ace at slashing, catching, finishing, and garbage cleaning. It’s a totally natural fit.
Where did you get the idea that Lee needs a high-post complement? How well did he and Frye work out for the Knicks?
REPLY TO DONUT
We've all become too use to Warriors basketball
Concept or two post players seems foreign.
I know Lee moves well in high post extended, but I hope Nellie doesn’t overuse him there. I want him crashing boards too, not shooting 20 footers
I think
we should keep Biedrins. David Lee and Andris Biedrins should be able to really work well together and grab rebounds. They compliment each other very well
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