Warriors to Sign Louis Amundson: You Asked, They Listened? :: Finally Some Depth Up Front for Golden State
by olympicmike on Sep 13, 2010 12:39 PM PDT
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Warriors to sign forward Louis Amundson to 2-year, $4.7 million deal, his agent told Y! Sports. Second year player option.
Marc Spears via Twitter - Thanks to sokuj00 for posting the FanShot!!
Warriors fans have been begging for more depth up front ever since the news broke about Udoh's injury, and at the top of most people's wish-list was Louis Amundson. He's been on the Warrior's radar ever since he played on the team's Summer League squad a couple years back. He played pretty well back then too, so well that he landed a spot with the Suns. Playing for the Suns the last two seasons he's shown that he can be a valuable asset coming off the bench in this league. He's a scrappy player that rebounds the ball well, and can protect the rim. His offense isn't anything to write home about, but it looks like he's learned to pick his spots and not waste offensive possessions. Overall, I think it's a great signing that should make a difference, especially early in the season while Udoh is healing up. Jump for some details from Matt Steinmetz over at CSNBayArea.
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EDIT: Thanks to Lat We N Trash for his FanPost linking to this ESPN article by Marc Stein
Power forward Louis Amundson, arguably the NBA's top remaining unsigned free agent with just two weeks left before training camps open, has agreed to a new deal with the Golden State Warriors, according to his representative.
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You must have missed where we traded Biedrins and Lee for Bargnani and Hawes.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 13, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
wow.
That is the worst trade i have ever heard.
… and i am a raiders fan.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Sep 13, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LoL I feel for you man...
being a raiders fan and all =P
by ap3604 on Sep 13, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd laugh if I didn't think Nellie would seriously consider that
Love there mismatch ability!
I sure hope so. I can't wait to watch this team now!
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as Nellie's the coach
we always have the potential to suck at rebounding… and defense.
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We have scorers who can rebound now, though.
No more Harrington type of players to hold us back. David Lee is a low post scorer who can also rebound; put him alongside Biedrins with Amundson coming off the bench and this team is finally a capable team on the boards. Small ball was just a result of Nellie not having the right players, now he can finally coach that Red type of offense without sacrificing the team’s ability to grab boards. There’s a difference between smallball and Nellieball.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Point well taken...
Let’s hope you’re right. I’m mostly bitter at the fact Don Nelson may still be the coach next year. He’s a legendary coach, a hall of famer, but I don’t know how many more times I can look at him on the bench with that disinterested look on his face. Plus, for his own health and age reasons he should go back to Hawaii and chill out. I would!
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Yeah. I might be too optimistic, though.
Hopefully Nellie redeems himself and has a great final year for the Warriors.
The only way I see Nellie ruining this team’s rebounding is if he keeps Lee, Biedrins and Amundson on the bench and give all the minutes to Gadzuric. Also, he could ruin the team’s rebounding if he decides to make Dorrel Wright and Rodney Carney play the power forward positions.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He could ruin the team’s rebounding if he decides to make Dorrel Wright and Rodney Carney play the power forward positions.
+1
I’m a little concerned that Biedrins may still be in Nellie’s doghouse and he’ll play Lee at Center for too many minutes every night and having Biedrins on the bench…
by JustSomeName on Sep 14, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how many more times I can look at him on the bench with that disinterested look on his face
someone really skilled at his job doesn’t have to look like he’s working hard at it. The dramatics are for the rookies and incompetents.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 13, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
But what evidence is there that Lee has a post game? Thought he was much more Bosh-like, than Duncan like. If he’s developed a back to the basket game, I’ve missed it somewhere.
Our need for one now goes on 17 years.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Nice to know...
that my top two choices of players to sign through free agency (Rodney Carney, Louis Amundson) this late in the off-season were both signed by this team. With the way things are going for us this year anything can happen…well POSITIVE things.
By the way...
For those who are not a fan of the signing, I’d love to hear who you’d rather we went after here in the comments.
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Meh
I like him but I don’t feel like he will make a big difference , and when Udoh comes back theres not a role for him if he plays well. It’s more of a it’s not a big deal thing than me being against it
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Sure...
Filling out your bench is never that big of a deal, but that wasn’t the question (I was referring to the poll, if that wasn’t clear).
Do you think this was the best use of the remaining MLE money? Seems like a sharp move to me. He’s a quality big man that can play 4 or 5 and should fit in with the system (if we still have the same system). I’m definitely open to the idea that there may have been a better guy to sign at $2.25 mil, but I don’t know who that would be. Do you?
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I don't think any team in the league did better with the MLE than the Warriors.
Dorrell Wright and Lou Amundson for a combined 6 million. Wow, I saw the Grizzlies give Rudy gay 82 million, and I’m not convinced he’s better than Dorrell. Very good offseason. I would have said great if we could have shipped Monta instead of Randolph, or kept one of the Watson/Morrow bunch, but it can’t be perfect. And I’m not sure Udoh is better than Lou, so i say we keep playing our 4 big rotation until someone gets injured (likely).
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 13, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with the Governor
Picking up Lou and D Wright for a combined $6mil is very very good!
Much wiser than blowing the full thing on a player like Al Harrington (for example)
Also, I further agree that we are not too deep in the frontcourt.
I’m still really hesitant to count B Wright in our rotation, since he couldn’t even make it through summer league without getting hurt. Love his game, hope he can stay healthy, but damn dude…
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 13, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
when Udoh comes back theres not a role for himI think it’s far from a given that Udoh is ever as good as Amundsen already is, to say nothing of doing it as a rookie, coming off an injury, and missing training camp.
To say this about a guy who hasn't played yet is foolish.
Let’s wait and see first, there’s nothing we can do now. He’s on our team.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
There's no one left.
but training camp filler.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Crossposting from the other thread…
Woo-hoo!
Not that big a deal, but with the injury to Udoh, a very, very, very nice pickup. We now have the requisite four bigs who can play. A bit undersized as a group, but all fast, athletic, and efficient, with two rebounding beasts, one rebounding semi-beast, and three guys who can defend the rim. We may have a bit of a logjam when Udoh returns, if he shows can play, but too much cheap young talent is never a bad problem to have. Lou, Brandan and Ekpe are all highly tradeable if it comes to that.
Somehow, due to the degree to which this story was tantrically d-r-a-w-n out, and previous reports that Amundson was leaning towards New Orleans, my once-mild interest in him had become a raging inferno of desire. Now I feel weirdly … sated. Where’s my cigs? ;-P
So … does Mike Gabriel, the "twit" who originally broke this story, get a little cred around here now? Or as Lat We N Trash suggested, did he just make a 50/50 call and get it right?
I for one now feel like his “scoop” on Nellie and Smart may not be complete BS…
There will be no extra point!
So … does Mike Gabriel, the “twit” who originally broke this story, get a little cred around here now? Or as Lat We N Trash suggested, did he just make a 50/50 call and get it right?
Good question. Both of those things have been heavily rumored… He could have guessed right, or he may actually have inside information. Who knows?
I certainly wouldn’t be surprised to see Nelson let go, and if there isn’t anyone out there that you really want to go after then I guess Smart is the logical stopgap. I’m not all that worried about it at this point. I’m trying to take a longer view of the situation. Most of the uncertainty is just because of the awkward timing of the sale of the team. We may have somewhat of a ‘throw-away’ season, but hopefully it will be a throw-away season that we see some promising signs of things to come.
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I for one now feel like his "scoop" on Nellie and Smart may not be complete BS…
That’s what I was thinking. I for one wouldn’t mind a change just for change’s sake. What’s the difference between the two if neither one will be (hopefully) retained beyond this season.
My only mandate: Don’t screw with players in the DNP-CD variety unless they absolutely deserve it or go off the reservation.
Now go have you cig.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I hate change just for change's sake.
The difference is that Nellie may have great success with the Curry-Lee combo! Maybe more than anyone else would. Let’s at least find out. Smart for Nellie could always be done later if necessary.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, if we're going to talk in possibilities:
It’s also possible that Nellie could have terrible success with the Curry-Lee combo.
There’s no particular reason to credit Nelson, at this point in his career, with any sort of magical ability to get the best out of guards. Given how badly Monta played, and how little Nellie seemed to care last season, it seems that the opposite is the case: it seems like Nellie has lost his golden touch.
The team’s two biggest priorities for next season are to figure out if Monta is salvageable and to get Biedrins back to 2-3 years ago form.
Barring a catastrophic injury to an important player, the worst thing that could happen to us would be for us to be forced to trade one of those players for less than their worth.
Since Biedrins appears to have issues with how Nellie treated him, and Nellie has demonstrated an unwillingness to try to reign in Monta’s worst tendencies, then it seems like a no brainer. You get rid of Nellie.
I do not think Smart will ever be half the coach that Nellie was. However, I don’t think that Nellie will ever be half the coach that Nellie was, either … and I think he’s likely to do some damage on the way out.
Guess we'll see.
I think last year can be interpreted differently. We’ll see what Lacob does. To state the obvious: either we’ll find out what Nelson can do with this squad, or we won’t.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to pick on Brandan, but if he's highly tradable...
we should probably trade him.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? Do you think he’s anywhere near his peak trade value right now?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 13, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not but...
it could actually get worse. I hope not, and I will root for him to reach his full potential, but I think that potential is his primary trade value anyway. If he has a good season or even just incrases his value, I’ll be quite pleased to have been incorrect.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
“Potential” aside, on a per minute basis, he performed very well as a 20 and 21 year old in the NBA. During last year’s training camp, reports of his improved game and physical condition were glowing. iIRC, for a time, he was the frontrunner for starting PF.
His game has always been solid-to-good. His main issue has been durability. Outside of another serious injury, what could he possibly do to make his trade value lower than it is now?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 13, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I'm overly swayed by how he looked to me in summer league.
I was excited last year about last year’s glowing reports (though I’m not sure that wasn’t to pressure Randolph). I guess my only answer to your question would be: continue to get pushed around and shoot poorly (assuming he’s ever really healthy). But I want you to be right. I don’t know that you’re not.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Summer league is just televised street garbage. At least for the Warriors it is. I will never put too much stock into stats from a two week long “season”. Although Brandan did look very rusty, let’s not get too worked up over it.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Not too worked up
and your point about summer league is well taken. I’m thinking more along the lines of if Lacob’s looking for a big move, Brandan’s potential and/or expiring contract could be just one piece of a bigger deal.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 14, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade him for what?
Brandan isn’t a player the team should be looking to get rid of.
If there’s a chance to add talent, great. In no way is Brandan untouchable. But saying that we “should” trade him makes it seem like you think he’s a problem we need to get rid of.
When, in fact, he’s scheduled to have a key role on this team: first big man off the bench.
When, in fact, he’s scheduled to have a key role on this team: first big man off the bench.
How do you know that’s “a fact”? Maybe Amundson comes off first.
It's possible.
I suspect it’s going to be a training camp battle, quite frankly, but I like Brandan’s chances if he’s healthy.
But you’re right it’s not a given. But even if he ends up our fourth big, he’s inexpensive. Why get rid of him?
Gotcha.
It doesn’t make sense to say that you “should” trade a player, in absence of the evaluation of a specific trade, unless:
1) He’s hurting the team chemistry. (ala Jackson or the worst-case scenario with Monta)
2) He’s overpaid and hurting your long-term plan (Mags)
3) He’s a negative influence on players in the locker room.
None of those things apply to Brandan. He’s cheap, on a short contract, and a good fit for what we need. There is no rationale by which we “should” trade him in the absence of a specific trade which adds talent.
So GeraldMcGrew’s suggestion makes no sense. But that’s his point, not yours.
I was responding to the idea that he's "highly tradeable"
which suggests that a fair deal could be made. I certainly don’t think he’s some kind of cancer that has to be moved. It’s just my hunch that he will never be a good player. As I’ve already said, I hope I’m wrong. Wasn’t looking for this big an argument cuz I know I might be. Guess it’s good though ’cause I get to read what you all think about him.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 14, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
you're a frustrated fan
he cost us j-rich, and so far, he’s been injured literally the entire ride. I get it. but give him a fair chance and THEN maybe we could talk trades, especially since he’s an expiring contract. But even if he exceeds expectations, I still wouldn’t trade him. I could see him (over a very long period of time) turning into a Lamarcus Aldridge Jr. of some sort
by dubious dubz on Sep 14, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
and so far, he’s been injured literally the entire ride
Well, actually, he hasn’t literally been injured the entire time he’s been here. Figuratively, perhaps, rounding up significantly to ignore the parts of two seasons where he wasn’t hurt.
Ah the Nellie "doghouse", DNP-CD etc, etc...
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Not that frustrated (at least not by Brandan)
just have a lot of doubts about him. Certainly willing to give him a fair chance, and if he turns into an LA of some sort it will have been well worth it.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 14, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this mean that the recently posted fanshot of a tweet is true?
Which would mean Don Nelson is going to be replaced by Keith Smart.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Sep 13, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
Well, the same 'twit' who made the first tweet has now made a second
Lou Amundson on his way to take physical for the Warriors – deal should take place soon. Donnie Nelson drama should take place soon. #gsw about 12 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Yeshhhhh
This has been a surprisingly good offseason so far. Sucks to see Watson and Morrow leave the team, but Riley has been making positive moves to make up for it.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 1:59 PM PDT reply actions
Yep!!!
They definitely made up Morrow, Watson and dont forget to mention Randolph. But finally, the future of Warriors basketball is looking a lot brighter.
One giant step in the right direction.
by LighTz707OuT on Sep 13, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I hated this guy..
When he played for Phoenix .. Only cos he outworked pretty much everyone else on the court. Excited to have him on the roster.
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Wright might fit as well.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Sep 13, 2010 2:07 PM PDT reply actions
HORNETS FANS ARE PISSED
and this makes me happy.
wow! trying to decide if I am happier that...
We have a solid front court with enough big guys with decent ability to step up during our annual injuries, battle in camp and practices, and help Beans stay motivated and supported. I may be wrong on this, but I think the mix of big guys we have now (hustle guys who can bang and who also seem mature and team oriented) will help Beans feel motivated to play better.
or…
our new ownership is already paying dividends and guys in the league want to come play for the Warriors for a change
I think its the second one.
Lou seems to make up for the Turiaf loss in terms of what he brings to t he team.
by tjmax on Sep 13, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nailed it!
Trading Turiaf definatley affected our front court depth.
Now we get another high energy big man at a fraction of the cost.
Besides the draft, Larry Riley is quietly have a pretty decent offseason.
I like the Udoh pick
More of a sure thing in my estimation than Greg Monroe. Tired of taking finesse big guys at the 4 and 5 spot. Monroe may end up being a better player – but I still think Udoh will be good for years and years – he is certainly a better defender than Monroe which is what the team needs.
I like the Udoh pick
You can add me to that camp. Udoh appears to be the first piece of a pretty decent masterplan
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 13, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a Warrior, so I like him.
But I will say this:
If he doesn’t look like an NBA type player, I’m going to be very worried. It’s not like he has the projectability of a high upside teenager to fall back on.
Although at the same time, I like him much better than Monroe now. Monroe seems like a big softy. Even his dunks look like layups. Our defense needed major help/upgrade/rebuild and Udoh fits into that mold much better.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I may be wrong on this, but I think the mix of big guys we have now (hustle guys who can bang and who also seem mature and team oriented) will help Beans feel motivated to play better.
That’s what I’ve been saying all along now that we have Lee. The pressure of being the main big man is off of Biedrins and he can hopefully be motivated as a result of that.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
motivated enough to improve his offense and FT’s?
Maybe that’s too much to wish for.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Maybe not the FT's
But hopefully he can get back to being the efficient double double guy that he was a few years back.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
From you lips...
If that happens, and our starters stay healthy, the Ws will be a lot better than folks expect!
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that Turiaf is almost exclusively a shot blocker, and Lou is more of a rebounder/defender. They don’t really have much in common when you think about it.
As for the “logjam,” I say bwhaha. We should be so lucky. We used to have guys like DJ Mbenga and Austin Croshere as backup bigs.
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by Supafishal on Sep 13, 2010 6:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe it seems like a "logjam"
because in year’s past we don’t know why all these tall guys are on our team.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I read “anal injuries.”
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by Elevation Sensation on Sep 13, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
true.
WHY ARE THERE STILL TURIAF BILLBOARDS AROUND THE BAY AREA?
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Sep 13, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions
I'm starting to get the feeling...
That the new ownership reads and may even post on this site. The number of GSOM “wishlist” signings since the sale was (declared? approved?) seems to go beyond coincidence.
I’m not convinced Riley and Co. care one whit what we say here, though I have to admit that the nixing of the Pargo deal, after the near unanimous pelting with rotten tomatoes it took here, is somewhat intriguing. If I recall, even Steinmetz thought signing Pargo was kinda sorta OK. Point, GSoM. ;-)
I have to say, if I were Riley I would probably ignore me and most of the other amateurs on this site, but I would occasionally peruse the posts of the serious hoops analysts / number crunchers like jae. Professional sports teams increasingly pay real cash money for the type of work he does.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 13, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Professional sports teams increasingly pay real cash money for the type of work he does.
Do you mean consistently disparage people who don’t get “it?” ;-)
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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 13, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Is my “;-)” not enough? Wimps. ;-)
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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 13, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
ah, you missed the ref – jae makes it a personal cause to make sure every misuse of complimentary is corrected to complementary
"It’s frickin’ Sisyphean to be a Warriors Fan."
I don’t get the reference either . . .
And . . . uh . . . ;-)
play like a 1 man guy
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 13, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
aha
Yeah, totally missed it. In fact, that’s one word I rely on spell check for.
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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 14, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
They probably could pay people to lurk sites like GSoM, WW.net, RealGM etc.
And whenever those people see a good post they tell Riley about it so he could take it into consideration.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Amundson sign... EN ESPAÑOL
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Big sign for us :D
Warriors ¡¡ EN ESPAÑOL !!!!
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Welcome to the squad DOOM!
We'll miss you Frown-Face Randolph. "You came, you cried, you almost conquerred."
awesome!
can we all yell out “LOUUUUUUU” everytime he scores a basket? or does something exciting like an emphatic block? that would be cool.
I always thought that sounded really stupid
so I hope we don’t.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't like ripping off another team's ripped-off chant
Plus, it ends up sounding like 19,000 people chanting: “MOOOOOOOOOOOO”!
Aren’t sheep supposed to go: “BAAAAAAAAAAA!”?
play like a 1 man guy
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 13, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care what you guys say
I’m yelling “Mooooooooo”
at the top of my lungs
and only I will know that I am not actually saying “Louuuu”
but rest assured, I will be yelling
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 13, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It always sounded like they were booing it
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer to think of the glass as being half milk
That chant should have been burned in a dumpster fire long before it even saw the light of Lou Merloni.
play like a 1 man guy
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 13, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It's true . . .
Don Nelson turned me against mass moaning, Lou Merloni and livestock.
I’ll go ahead and add that to his list of thought crimes.
Thanks!
play like a 1 man guy
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 14, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, 9 posts in a year on the whole website
and you use one of them to call out posters on a different board from yourself. Cool story, bro.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I'm hoping our early season rotation looks something like this:
(with the numbers denoting minutes per game)
Curry 38/ Bell 15
Monta 36/ Williams 25
Wright 30
Lee 36/ Wright 18
Biedrins 30/ Lou 12
Followed by Carney, Lin, Gadzuric when there are injuries, foul trouble, situational needs.
honestly id rather
give the backup point minutes to lin
Lin has to prove himself first. That’s why I think the original poster said early season.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Sep 13, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
Bell is not a bad player. He’s nothing special either but he plays good D, decent enough outside shooter and won’t cost us games. I think Lin will eventually overtake him but considering he played ivy league basketball last year I don’t exactly expect him to come in and light it up anytime soon.
Warriors still have one roster spot left.
How about Earl Watson for back up point guard? His numbers weren’t that bad last year.
I like that you gave Bell the minutes.
I think he’d be a solid player alongside either Monta or Steph. He’s small, but he can shoot and defend and doesn’t turn the ball over.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
Bell's career TS% = .517.
He can shoot? What?
No. He can’t. If you look only at his 3-pt shots, he’s an average-efficiency scorer. The problem is that he costs you a bunch of other shots.
Works out to about a 54 TS% if he just shot 3s
so it’s a fine number
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 16, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Suns fan here...
Im happy that Lou was able to find a team to sign with. He’s a good guy and we’ll miss him on Planet Orange.
He’s not the greatest player, but he works hard every night and you guys will love his personality and attitude. It’s a good fit for him.
Make sure you yell “LOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!” everytime he comes on the court, scores a basket, blocks a shot, and leaves the court. It’ll make him feel at home. :)
"If the Suns can shock the world
Goran Dragic is the name."
by Dragic_is_Magic on Sep 13, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80-NiJpIIPk
He made a good choice signing with us. Scraper bikes go hard in Oakland.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Sep 13, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
He's surprisingly pretty cool.
I can see him and Biedrins being good friends for some reason.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Two awkward white guys?
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Sep 13, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
I don’t know, maybe. Amundson seems like the “cool person” that Andris has always been trying to be like. I always see Biedrins in videos trying to act funny and whatnot whereas Amundson actually is funny.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you watched the Warriors interview with him?
He mentions that he and Lee almost got in a fight or something when they played against each other, but now he’s happy they’re together on the same team. It’s gonna be great having two big energy big men like them on the team. The Warriors are going to be really active on the court.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I triple Rec your comment?!
wow…great link
plus a scraper bike reference?!
We should definately give Lou a better bike as a welcome present
Also, I could actually see him maaaybe hanging out with these guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQGLNPJ9VCE
Serious though, that link was an absolute must watch for anyone who wants to get to know the newest Warrior
thanks, I wont stop believin’
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 13, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
hehe
Good video, thanks for linking it.
by randolphforpresident on Sep 13, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
THOR!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Sep 14, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
he says he likes THOR!!!!
I SAY WE CALL HIM THOR!
i like it better than lou.. which sounds too much like booo
i jjust hope ppl dont think we’re gay at first and meant to say “score”
THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!!!!! im just gonna be yellin it in the deepest voice i can.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Sep 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
All we need now is a human victory cigar.
A 12th man who fans can chant for when the Warriors play garbage minutes.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions
haha
The Awkward Asian.
I’m not sure if he’ll be as good of a garbage player as Adonal Foyle was during the We Believe days. I miss the “WE WANT FOYLE!” chants. lol.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 13, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
good signing
but we should still sign hunter imo
Goal: 8 seed!
Except, Lou has just taken the last roster spot has he not?
The San Fransisco 49ers, where we got Dix, VD and Crabs!
by Badly Browned on Sep 13, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
or even sing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5DALXwOe0s
Over The Line!
by Lat We N Trash on Sep 14, 2010 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions
BSOTS 09-10 Amundson evaluation
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/6/27/1540046/louis-amundson-2009-10-evaluation
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Sep 13, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
09-10 Amundson evaluation
thanks for the link
the Suns blog gave him an “A”…but I think his overall GPA would have been less than a 4.0 based on some of their comments.
I know that this concept was shot down a little, but I mentioned in another thread that I thought that one of the biggest undiscussed losses from our offseason departures was going to be Turiaf’s energy. I think that Lou is another example of a guy that is the perfect “energy guy” and I’m really glad that we made this pick-up.
And yeah, I know that it is not statistically supported, but maybe that’s just because the advanced stat formulas aren’t exactly perfect
So, Lou is only going to get 10 minutes per game in an ideal situation. And I think that this is ok.
But somebody is going to get those minutes, we needed a big sub to come in and bring defense, rebounding..and yeah…energy. It can turn a game. It can mess with the other teams heads too. And from one of our marginally-talented players, I’ll take that as a bonus
He’s not going to compete for a starter spot, not going to be our first option on offense..but I could see him being a good candidate for first guy off the bench, under the right circumstances
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 13, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Suns fan who has nothing but love for the Dubs, I promise you won't be dissappointed.
It’s very easy to love Lou. But you Warriors fans have to promise to do the Lou Chant every time he does something cool. It’s absolutely required! Enjoy our favorite bike-riding hero, boys. :)
This is nice and all, but really doesn't matter. Or shouldn't at least.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions
why?
depth doesn’t matter? a talented rebounder on a team that has been horrible rebounding the ball the past few years doesn’t matter? getting a high energy guy after losing turiaf doesn’t matter? please explain
If things go according to plan, he shouldn't play that much, is what I mean.
He’s a nice guy to have, but with Beans/Lee/Wright and then Udoh, hopefully those guys are healthy and producing (in the cases of Wright/Udoh) to the point where Lou is a cheap insurance policy who doesn’t play much.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This reply itself shows why it matters.
Udoh is out for a good while, and as much has I hope Wright can deliver, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Udoh won't miss much of the season, I don't think
He’s due back December at the latest right?
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
More like January
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was a 6 month time frame. Injury was in early July wasn't it?
Tried finding some updates, but came up empty.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
like mid July. Unless my math is wrong, wouldn’t 6 months from July be January?
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was assuming early July, so six months would be, counting most of July, around the end of December. It's the optimist's math.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he could be back in December
but early July + 6 months is still early January. And you did say “at the latest.”
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I did. In my defense, I'm an MFA student.
We don’t do math.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 14, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
6 months to get back, but how long til he gets into the flow of the NBA game? After missing training camp, it’s probably asking a bit much for him to make Amundson expendable by July. Lou can play and we have no idea what to expect from Udoh when he first returns.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
I think we need to write off Udoh's rookie season.
Missing your first training camp is huge.
The simple truth is that the team doesn’t run much in the way of full-speed practices during the regular season. There is almost no opportunity for Udoh to get game-like experience, or for the coaching staff to evaluate his readiness to handle the speed of the NBA game, without putting him in a real game.
At this point, anything at all we get out of Udoh this season is a bonus.
I don't know.
I mean, I really don’t know. We heard six months. That puts him back with about half the season to go, maybe more, maybe less. I’m not so sure that missing training camp is a huge deal. It is in football, but the Warriors aren’t exactly noted for team defense and plays are easy to pick up. A knee injury or something, sure. I can see not being in shape, etc., but this is a wrist ligament. He should be in good physical condition. I just don’t see it as a totally lost season. But we really need more information.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 14, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It is in football, but the Warriors aren’t exactly noted for team defense and plays are easy to pick up.
I think you’ve got this exactly backwards. Michael Crabtree showed how a draft pick can skip training camp in the NFL and still be effective (although I don’t think it would work for a offensive lineman or a QB). NFL teams, it’s worth pointing out, run real practices during the regular season. Sometimes they’re without pads, sometimes they’re half-speed, but there are 2-3 days a week when a player is out on the football field getting reps in an 11-on-11 setup.
Furthermore, because play stops and specific plays are called, you can run him in there only when, say, you want a receiver to run one of the routes you know he knows.
In basketball, neither of those things happen. A player has to develop an intuitive sense of where his teammates are going to be on each play, and he needs to know based on where they go where he’s supposed to be. This is particularly true in the case of a flowing offensive system like the Warriors. (It looks chaotic, but it’s highly choreographed.) If the team was just running clear-outs for isos it’d be no big deal, but, for example, the reason why Anthony Randolph saw so little PT was because, despite two training camps, he didn’t get it and was often in the wrong place.
Expecting Udoh to do better with no training camps? No regular full-team scrimmages? Not likely.
I don't think it works for O-linemen, QBs, CBs, Safeties, LBs or D-lineman either.
WR, RB are mostly plug-and-play positions (relatively), but, still I don’t think I have it “exactly backwards”. A rookie’s training camp in the NFL, learning terminology/scheme/a giant playbook is probably a lot more important than in the NBA. I think this is evidenced by the fact that you can play large segments of an NBA game without calling a set, or by calling very basic things that are second nature to NBA players. Nate Robinson to the Celtics is an example. They run a complex offensive scheme, but for the minutes he played, they ran basic P&R stuff and he managed to excel. I’m not saying that training camp isn’t important, I’m just saying that I strongly doubt they’re going to shut him down for the entire season because he missed camp.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
In football, it’s possible to sub in a player for only those plays he knows, especially for a receiver. The flip side of that is that once the opposition realizes that the guy only knows three patterns, his mere presence on the field does a good job of telegraphing the offensive play selection. This is far less true of linemen, who don’t get subbed out nearly as often.
I don’t think they’ll shut him down either, but I don’t think it’s particularly realistic to think he’ll return in January and suddenly make us wish he were playing 20 minutes per game. There’ll be a serious adjustment time, and I’d expect him to play less than 10 MPG in the second half of the year, with Amundson generally outplaying him. I don’t think we’ll really see what he can do until 2011-12. It’s a shame to see a rookie year semi-wasted like that (especially at his age), but I don’t think it’s fair to expect much from him right out of the gate.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
It doesn't actually matter which is harder to do
what matters is that it sucks if a rookie misses training camp REALLY BADLY in either sport. Expecting Udoh to outperform Lou this year is probably really unrealistic.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 14, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not really about who is in a position to play better.
It’s about not wasting an entire year of Ekpe Udoh’s career, and more importantly, the limited window he has available to him to improve.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying don't play him at all
just that he’ll probably be our 5th big when he comes back.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 14, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And betting odd's at least one of our top 4 bigs go down by then.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 14, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
when BWright is out, there will be more minutes for Udoh. Or maybe he just gets all of the backup center minutes.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 14, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahah.
Inevitable B. Wright injury.
Get that boy some cornbread.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 14, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You say that like it's a choice.
As I wrote above, you’re as likely to do harm as good by giving him minutes that matter this season, barring exceptional circumstances.
It’d be great if we could make a choice to “not waste an entire year” but I don’t see how you get there.
At this point, anything at all we get out of Udoh this season is a bonus.
This I agree with, including him being 100% healthy. Sad, but that’s what we have to resort to. Time in the D-League may also prove beneficial as it would be like an advanced training camp. At least to get into game shape.
"the world is not your trade machine" - wallywagon11
by Doctor Kajita on Sep 14, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
hmmm...
I would think that Lou would get at least as many minutes as he did playing for a 54-win team last season. If not, either we’re going to be incredibly good, or incredibly stupid for not playing him more.
by Evanz on Sep 13, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Lou Amundson gets 1100 minutes, something is amiss.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That's pretty typical back up big minutes
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
15 MPG is a bit much for your 3rd (or 4th) PF.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really if there are a few injuries.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 13, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on the system
if we had a clear 3rd best big, it would be different. We really don’t. Lou could actually be the 3rd big.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 13, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with that is it comes at the expense of Wright or Udoh (when he's back).
You can’t draft a guy 6th because he’s NBA ready and not play him, so when Udoh is back, he has to see minutes. Wright, if healthy also needs to see minutes because they’re going to have to decide if they want to pay him or not. Add in Lee and Beans and that makes Lou the fourth big. Barring injuries, I don’t see where Lou fits in the rotation when Udoh returns.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Udoh will need time to fit into the system
after missing training camp (whenever he’s back).
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So they're going to sit him?
I’m assuming he’ll figure out the system by playing in it.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll play
but if he earns heavy minutes and avoids foul trouble immediately, I’ll be thrilled (and surprised). And again, maybe Udoh comes back from injury quick, but there’s no way to be sure of that so this was certainly a smart move. If your point is that Amundson won’t be the W’s MVP, I agree.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
depends how competitive we are by the time he gets back
if we’re in the hunt for a playoff spot, I don’t see Udoh getting more than 5-10 mpg when he gets back.
you need to get your Z graph out
All of these guys are pretty talented bigs.
Bigs, for sure,but I could see enough minutes being available to get everyone on the court. I don’t think that their minutes are necessarily mutually exclusive
You could run Lou / Udoh / B Wright (at the 4 and 5) with any combination of the following and be alright (assuming Curry is running the PG):
the offensive dynamo: Ellis and Williams
the defender; Williams and D Wright
Plus we get Lou on a one-year contract with player option. If he doesn’t earn the minutes, he walks, and we’re still ok
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 13, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If Amundson plays as well as he did last year and as much as he did last year, it’s worth a couple of extra wins for us. If he’s getting that amount of PT because Lee is playing as well as he has and isn’t opening up many PF minutes, Biedrins is playing again and Udoh/B.Wright are healthy enough and sub in well enough to leave very few extra minutes, then things are going well indeed and the team will be quite a bit improved.
I have to disagree somewhat.
His WP is shiny, but his defensive numbers dampen my enthusiasm. Synergy doesn’t particularly like him, and neither does dMULT. His APM is also a bit troubling.
Moreover, if things are going well, Lou is the 9h or 10th guy. Historically (meaning every year since the merger), the 9th and 10th spots (combined) have been responsible for about 3% of team wins on average.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is nice and all, but really doesn’t matter. Or shouldn’t at least.
Really? IMO we really needed someone like this to keep us in the game and rebounding when Andris isn’t on the court. Sure, it’s not that big of a deal, but it’s a nice move, especially considering that Udoh is out for a while. Also, with the Warriors recent bad luck injury wise I wouldn’t be surprised to see more of Amundson than expected.
Golden State Warriors '10-'11 Season: The Return of ^^^^
Right. I'm not trying to hate on the move, I like Lou well enough, but I just want to keep it in perspective.
This is a move for an end of the rotation player. He won’t make or break the season, and ideally, he won’t see significant minutes.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough...
I’m not counting on him to make a huge impact, but I think the lack of depth could have really hurt us if we didn’t make this move. I’d be very happy if our bigs were healthy enough and performing well enough for Amundson to be a non-factor. I hope you’re right. :-)
Golden State Warriors '10-'11 Season: The Return of ^^^^
by olympicmike on Sep 13, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Teams need guys like this because...
“ideally” never happens.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it does.
Plenty of teams make it through the season without major injuries to multiple players.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
you're only as good as your weakest link.
And while our links may not be top quality, they got slightly better now.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
by kenntoe on Sep 13, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure. I think signing a pure C would be a better move, but this is fine.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 13, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Pure C like who?
I’d love to get a good pure center, but who’s out there?
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 13, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you’re only as good as your weakest link.
In basketball, I do not believe this is true. If so, this means that Luc Longley was among the game’s all-time best.
I disagree, but it's cool.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
you’re only as good as your weakest link.
So if you don’t have a weakest link is it impossible to be good? Maybe that’s our problem, no one link is weakest?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 14, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
umm....
Admundson is a white Rony Turiaf ….its good we replaced Turiaf but as far as being a decent rebounder and emotional player….well hey theres not much to be excited about
KeWzEe
Nothing in here made sense because nothing you said in here was true. Amundson is far better than Turiaf.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 13, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really, just at rebounding. Slight advantage over blocks last season. Also gotta consider that Ronny was hurt and played being hurt. I’d still take Ronny over Amundson probably because I like him better :)
Not really, just at rebounding.
That’s a big difference. Rebounding is very important. Rebounds tend to have much more impact on games than blocked shots.
Also gotta consider that Ronny was hurt and played being hurt.
Are you suggesting that Ronny would have rebounded better if he wasn’t hurt? There’s nothing to suggest this in the rest of his career.
No, but there are other aspects of his game that seem to be affected (shot blocking, free throws, and turnovers). Ronny is better than Lou at other things too like scoring efficiency and passing (huge advantage). I mean Ronny isn’t a starting center, but he’s a pretty good backup and better than Lou in my opinion.
The rebounding difference between them
is just so huge. For their career, it’s a difference of 2.1 per 36.
The gap in scoring efficiency is comparatively small.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 18, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you suggesting he’s not a decent rebounder or an emotional player?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 13, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
HA!
no im saying the signing is the same scenario. Turiaf with the lakers and loved for being a high energy guy and good rebounder and team player. same thing happening here with admundson, just saying its nothing to get excited about as far as production. and @ GOVERNORSTEPHCURRY im here in phoenix now, been here a few years, i watch the guy and NO hes not far better than Turiaf because hes not all that good. not saying Turiaf any good either.. you dont make sense
KeWzEe
Maybe you just suck at evaluating basketball talent?
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 14, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
great pick up
energy guy who can come off the bench and provide solid physicality on defense and rebounding. for a fair price too.
and Rec'd
I know it doesn’t really bump the article up for you all-powerful moderator types
but yer doing a heck of a job olympic
thanks for putting this up
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
wow, with all the other teams vying to sign him, props to Riley for sealin the deal!
The Dubs season got that much more interesting! The biggest glaring need with AR gone and Udoh out for a few mos(or more) is some depth in the frontcourt and I believe with Amundson, we got it!
Lots of question marks with Beans starting at the 5 and we know he’s not going to play more than 30mpg, so if Amundson can come in and bring some toughness inside and pick up those dirty buckets, rebound, and bang…he’s well worth the 4.7mil!
I can’t wait for opening night!!!
We Believe!!!
Our New Warrior Can Rap!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=infVIdXpk28
Do I smell another Eminem?
(JUST KIDDING!)
For all the haters...
If not him, who else? He was the best available free agent left that fulfilled a need AND WE GOT HIM. Hasn’t really happened very much these past 15 years….we had a MUCH better off season than we did this time last year when we got Mikki Moore, Acie Law, and Speedy Claxton…
i think we have a new option here!!!
TALL BALL. huh?! huh?! amirite?
1 curry
2 d wright
3 bwright and amundson
4 lee
5 beans.
ok, that may or may not be totally retarded , i dont know..
bwright/amundson
should never see time at the 3. i think our radical new option for this seasion is NORMAL BALL!!!! that is, if nellie will actually be willing to have players playing their regular positions rather than throwing curry, ellis, and lin out there at the same time just for the hell of it
I can’t imagine an NBA team trotting out a lineup that is anywhere near that level of awful on the perimeter. That lineup can’t space the floor or guard wings at all.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Sure it can. Lee can shoot, Dorell can shoot, Lou and Biedrins are setting picks outside, Curry's directing the whole thing.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 14, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Dorell actually shot a lot better last year than I thought he had (.389), but aside from he and Curry (and we’re still assuming that Wright doesn’t revert to his career .344 from deep), you have no range at all on offense. David Lee flat out does not shoot from the outside, same for Amundson. And of course, it’s still an atrocious perimeter defensive team.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
David Lee doesn't shoot from the outside?
I assume you mean from 3PT range. Lee is one of the better bigs in the league at stepping out to 16-23 feet and does it quite often.
The reason you wouldn’t play that lineup is the free pass you’re giving to the opposing SF on defense.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 14, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
And I’m not confident that Dorell is locking down many 2 guards. Plus, Lee and Steph aren’t world beaters on D, either. It’s an atrocious defensive lineup.
I did mean 3pt range. With only Steph and Dorell willing to step beyond the arc, I could see an awfully crowded lane, even with Lee’s midrange game.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
David Lee shoots a better percentage from mid range than Kobe Bryant.
He’s got a good shot unless it’s a 3 (and i’m guessing he could stretch it out).
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 14, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
(:
i think i just wanted to entertain the notion of tall ball to get last years small ball out of my brain or at least have it balanced .. but , i love the idea of “normal ball”
if beans and d wright have good years or career years then this will be a FUN season to watch.. i see some downhome tailgate bbq’ing happening this yr!
HAHAHAH i just said “beans and wright” LMAO. i get the credit for the coinage here!!!
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Sep 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
At 27 years old, I wouldn’t count on it. The man has attempted 13 3s in his entire career and made none of them. He’s not adding that as a significant part of his game. I’d be very, very surprised if we here “Lee, from deep!” more than a few times this year.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Which is probably smart, because when you have somebody who's that good on the boards, you want him close to the basket.
… and his mid-range shot is more than enough to force teams to guard him away from the basket.
Now mind you I don’t really want Lee to try to add a 3 point shot. I think that bigs who develop and then start taking many 3s tend to do so at the expense of other things that I’d rather have my bigs doing. This notion that a big with a 3 point shot will “draw out defenders” and “open things up” may be true, but it rarely happens enough to offset the offensive rebounds they give up as a result.
But that said, it does seem that a 3 point shot is one of those things that guys can pick up later in their career, sometimes going from more or less non-existent to being rather good at it. Al Harrington went from a guy who didn’t shoot it often and never very well to being a guy who became a highly accurate high volume 3 pt shooter for a season. He’s come down to earth a bit, but it’s still an effective shot for him. Sam Perkins took about 1 3 a game (not hitting many) until he hit his early 30s, when he started camping out behind the arc and hitting the shot regularly. Now both of them had tried the shot significantly more than Lee has. My guess is that Lee has never really taken the shot as anything other than an end-of-the-clock (and probably just an end of the quarter) prayer, but I don’t think it’s absurd to think that it’s something that he could add. I just suspect that it won’t make him a more effective player if he does add it.
Fair enough. Amend my statement to “adding a 3pt shot to his game is unlikely to be a significant, useful addition for Lee.”
And are there many cases like Harrington and Perkins around? If so, is there a particular skillset that makes it more likely or is it just a couple outliers without much in common?
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I haven’t done a systematic study on bigs, but I when I charted it, 3 point % was one of those things with a higher degree of variation and one where the peak age did not seem to be mid 20s like it was for overall efficiency and rebounding and most other statistical measures. I’m not surprised. It’s a skill and one can be refined rather than one overly dependent on a degree of athletic ability that will decline with age.
Not a bad signing.
But also not necessary. We could have simply left the rest of the MLE alone or not offered a second year and been alright here, but we offered too much money for too long. We’re not going to the playoffs next year, so there’s really no reason not to just fill the roster out with a guy that can POTENTIALLY bring energy off the bench. Rather pay the minimum for a shitty player for one year than 4.8 million to Amundson for two. We didn’t need him. Beans, Gadzuric, Lee, Wright, Udoh, and Radmanovic. Them plus some random D-leaguer is plenty considering Nellie isn’t going to want to play with 2 bigs all the time. Now we have Amundson taking away possible playing time from Udoh even when he comes back. We should have playing this year to see what we have, rather than trying to add too much to it. We’re still not a very good team, so Amundson won’t help us much considering he’d be a solid 5th big man on a good team. He’s our…third? :/
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but we offered too much money for too long
Really? Stingy, bro. 2 years, $4.7 M is a bargain for a backup big. We’d be paying almost that much to Turiaf this year if he wasn’t traded. Amundson is better than Turiaf.
Beans, Gadzuric, Lee, Wright, Udoh, and Radmanovic
Udoh is out half the season and we don’t know anything about him. We don’t know if Wright will be able to stay healthy, or if he can really contribute much at all. We do know about Radmanovic- he deserves 0 NBA minutes. We haven’t seen Gadzuric, but his stats don’t look good. He’s basically Chris Hunter, but a slightly better rebounder. He should also not get any minutes.
So without Amundson, we would have 2-3 bigs (depends on Wright’s play) worth giving minutes to at the start of the season. Unless their names are Pau, Lamarr and Andrew, that isn’t good enough.
It’s a cheap contract. It’s not very long at all. He’s a useful player. The 2nd year is even a player option, so if he plays well and some team throws the MLE at him, he could just leave.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Never liked Turiaf signing either.
Like him as a player, but we way overpaid him. And we’re overpaying for Amundson. He’s average for a backup. I’d have just like to see us keep our options as open as possible. This does hinder us a little, and there really is no need to use all of your MLE when you’re not going to make the playoffs. Just isn’t necessary. The MLE is there so that team over the cap can sign players in the offseason. We either should not be a team that’s over the cap, or be a team that’s going to make the playoffs or that 4.8M is still pretty much wasted. We could have had somebody for 500k.
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He’s average for a backup.
He’s a little above average for a backup, and we’re paying him about half of what a backup makes.
We could have had somebody for 500k.
And he probably would have made our team worse by playing him.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 15, 2010 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw it
I just realized the discussion wasn’t going anywhere. You and I have different definitions of expensive or bad contracts.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 15, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Still not worth it.
We’re still not going to be good. What’s being slightly worse if it saves a little money?
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What’s the little extra money to you? Besides, this team, if healthy, should be pretty good this year, and with another year’s MLE to fix any glaring weaknesses, a decent draft pick, and some hopefully solid D from Udoh from the get-go, next year’s team should expect playoffs.
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Your notion that somehow Amundson’s signing is “too much” or will have a negative impact on the team is misguided. The difference between signing Amundson and not signing him does not look like it is in any clear danger of putting the team into lux tax space, and it’s not keeping the team from being under the cap where they could sign another free agent. There’s no salary cap bank where you can store unused money for future seasons. Not signing him and getting a min salary player instead has very,very little effect on the team’s financials or team’s salary situation vis a vis getting a player in the future. But getting the min salary player is very likely to bring back an inferior player who will not make the team better.
Except that 2.5M...
Will count against us next season. That’s actually a decent amount of money. Considering we we’re clearly the highest bidder on Amundson, we overpaid for him. That 2.5M could have been used to lure a much better player, but instead it’s going to go to Amundson. 2.5M is a lot when considering all the different transactions you can make in the NBA. Sign and trade, or picking up a salary a team is trying to dump, or luring a potential free agent. Having that extra 2.5M next season (when we will again be better) would benefit us more than overpaying Amundson this season and next season. I’m sure he’ll help us this season, but management may regret it anyway when they come up 1M short of luring somebody better next year.
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Yawn. If the “somebody better” is the difference between, say, competing for the 8th seed and getting homecourt in the first round (a player like Iggy, for example), then ownership should be willing to go into the lux tax to get him. There are plenty of ways to fudge $1mil in the NBA.
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We're not getting an 8th seed this year...
and even next year, we still won’t be competing for homecourt in the first round. Not likely at all. Why spend when it might make us go from a 28 win team to a 30 win team? What’s the point?
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That 2.5M could have been used to lure a much better player, but instead it’s going to go to Amundson.
Really, like who?
Considering we we’re clearly the highest bidder on Amundson, we overpaid for him.
By your reasoning, any time any player signs for less than max salary, someone overpaid because they were clearly the highest bidder.
If you offer nearly twice as much...
as anyone else, you overpaid.
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The Hornets were offering something like $1.9 M the first year
We’re probably paying like $2.2 the first year. Warriors are giving him $4.7 for two. The Hornets would have given him $3.95 for 2. That’s pretty much the difference of a minimum contract for 2 years. It’s nothing in the context of NBA salaries.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 17, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not...
but in my opinion he’d only be worth it on a playoff-contending team.
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It's not that it costs the team money this year...
it’s that it costs us money next year, when we’ll still have cap room and should be better than we’re going to be this year. Lou Amundson is not something we desperately needed. We could have used an extra body, but we should have stuck to one year.
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I’m not really sure what difference a couple mil to Amundson is going to make. The team isn’t going to have max contract space no matter what, and in any event, there’ll be no one worth giving a max deal around. Next year’s free agent crop is pretty thin. Resigning Reggie and looking for another solid wing should be next year’s offseason goals. The latter could hopefully be accomplished with a Monta Ellis plus pieces (maybe Amundson or Brandan) trade.
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I find the odds that we could have gotten a better player than Amundson for less money next year to be pretty small ...
Also, who knows what the cap situation will be next year with a new CBA.
Pretty much impossible
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 15, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not the point to get a better player...
It’s just keeping option open. Having a little extra cap space could allow us to do a lot of different things like sign bigger contract or make a trade to acquire somebody another team is trying to dump. It really does go a long way. And like I said before there is no NEED to use up all of the MLE if you’re not going to the playoffs anyway.
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And like I said before there is no NEED to use up all of the MLE if you’re not going to the playoffs anyway.
Well, sure, if you’re assuming that we’re going to fail, might as well save money.
That strikes me as a rather dumb assumption, however. We’re a drastically different team that we were last season. Of our top 8 players in minutes played last season, only two are still with the team.
At nearly every position, we’re stronger than we were last season. The only exception is two-guard, where it seems unlikely that Monta will be as bad as he was last year.
We have no guard depth...
and it’s not that Monta was bad…its that he played a role he isn’t suited for.
Lee might improve us slightly. But playoffs? In the West? Not going to happen. Last year 50 wins got a team in. We gonna get 50? o.O
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Pretty low expectations ... cheer up.
Don’t think the Warriors will be as bad as you’re proclaiming. I’m expecting them to be in the playoff race & hoping they can somehow pull off a 7th or 8th seed.
Also, the $$ compared to production is actually really good when you look around the league & compare salaries. Plus, there’s no way to predict injuries this upcoming season. Another solid front court man helps the team’s depth.
Even if Warriors don't make playoffs
It’s much better to try than just pack it in & keep the salary cap as small as possible & not sign any players to improve depth.
This signing is not enough to seriously impact the Warriors down the road.
But at least it's realistic.
It’s one thing to want us to do well. I do. I really do. I’m just not going to believe in a team that just isn’t there talent wise.
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Good deal.
Amundson is a solid big and his contract is plenty reasonable. This league over pays to have bigs(see: Darko, Kwame, Diop to name a few) and Amundson is better than all of those guys.
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