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"Warriors and Rodney Carney appear headed to a contract. No. 16 pick in 2006 still looking for breakthrough season."

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Hes strong too..so we get some of buike and maggettes strength back. NICE

by currysabeast on Sep 2, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

awsome

im starting to think our owners actually look at this forum

by mekanikal on Sep 2, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Like him as a pick up...

but his strength is worthless if he can’t up his rebounding. Buike and Maggs used that to their advantage, even while playing out of position a lot. Hopefully Carney can change his game to fit our needs a bit.

by esco41510 on Sep 2, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh. Not sure what Carney provides, other than periodic highlight reel dunkz…

Ah well, as long as it’s cheap, I guess. If it’s over a couple mil, I’ll just get cranky that we didn’t re-sign Morrow and CJ, both of whom have demonstrated much more actual basketball ability than Carney.

Does anyone have a read on Carney’s D? If I felt he had some aptitude in that area, I could probably warm up to him a little…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 2, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

He’s been around the league for 4 years. Puts me in doubt on whether or not he really is an NBA quality player. We’ll see, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays about the same amount of time as Daequan Cook got.

It’s worth a gamble though.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Sep 2, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hollinger says this...
Where he makes a better impression is on the defensive end, where his athleticism makes him a decent defender against opposing wing players. Again, that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement, but between the decent scoring rate and the acceptable defense, he was a useful rotation player last season.

I like.

by Evanz on Sep 2, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Decent scoring rate?

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Sep 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

one year.

And let’s not all get excited for slightly below average efficiency.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Sep 2, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with kenntoe

I don’t think it’s anything to be overly excited about. He’s a very pretty player in terms of ability, but at the end of the day, I’m not sure how the pizzazz stacks up next to actual wins. But still, it’s a game of chemistry, and although he has been in the league for a long time, in actuality, he hasn’t played under various systems enough to condemn him to the same circle of hell Todd Fuller dwells, and the rest of the wild things.. Perhaps he will fare well in ours. It appears we’ll have a look.

by lilboots on Sep 3, 2010 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not all excited

the guy said “decent”, which in my book is basically saying “average”. At any rate, just as is the case for D. Wright, I’m hoping that a guy like Carney can focus (or coaches can focus him) on defense, not scoring. We don’t need more scoring.

by Evanz on Sep 3, 2010 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

aren’t a majority of bench guys just “average” though? otherwise they wouldn’t BE bench guys? As long as we can get one thing from him that’s all we will really be expecting.

by dannyschmanny on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

True

Although one thing I liked about our bench last season was that some of our 2nd string players excelled at certain things. Anthony Morrow was a great high percentage three point shooter, and I was looking forward for Azubuike because he was in the top 10 in three point shooting % as well (2nd in the league until the last game of the season when he dropped to around 4th or 5th), but unfortunately he got injured for the whole year. Both players were above average when it came to shooting, and the good thing about Buike was that he could also score, rebound and was athletic.

I like Carney, though. He’s no Azubuike, but I like the tools he has to work with. I hope he blossoms in Nellie’s offense, especially with a point guard like Stephen Curry to play with.

by Precise Films Productions on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember coming out of Memphis...

That was a bit of a strong point for him. Though he’s was one of those “If he wants to be” type players. People thought he could develop into a lock down defender. Not sure if that’s happened yet, haven’t followed him much on the other teams benches.

by esco41510 on Sep 2, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good isolation and pick and roll defender according to Synergy.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably nothing.

The two transactions have nothing to do with eachother. At this point, the ball is (probably) in Amundson’s court. He’s got suitors, it’s up to him to decide where he wants to go or if he wants to hold out for more interest or for more money.

by JustSomeName on Sep 2, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

well I meant in means of $$ cuz more money spent on Carney would mean less to offer Amundson, right? Or am i missing something? D:

by lameallenmark on Sep 2, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

No idea. Probably won’t be able to figure out all that until we find out how much he’s getting. I don’t really know about NBA salaries or the CBA, but I THINK, that if he signs for the vet minimum, that doesn’t count towards our mid level exception. Not sure though, somebody correct me if I’m wrong.

by JustSomeName on Sep 2, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like we got another guy who helps with defense

and giving some more minutes backing up D. Wright. I like this move. We don’t have to worry about his scoring. We’ve got that covered.

by Evanz on Sep 2, 2010 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't see this as being that big a deal.

Honestly, D. Wright and Reggie are going to see most of the minutes at the 3 between the two of them. Carney’s going to be our fourth wing, which is to say (assuming we run something aproximating a normal basketball offense) he’ll rarely be asked to do more than play 5 minutes a game unless somebody’s injured.

eg, Monta plays 36 a game at the 2. Wright plays 36 a game at the 3. Reggie plays 24 a game as the primary backup for those two positions. Carney takes some of Reggie’s minutes at the 3 when the matchup creates defensive problems for us, in back-to-back games, and when one of our wings is injured.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 2, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Monta should get about 36 minutes. about 26 of those at SG and about 10 at PG while Curry gets a breather.

Reggie should play about 24 minutes as a back up SG. About 12 minutes while Monta’s on the bench and another 10 minutes while Monta plays PG.

Dorrell wright and Rodney can fight over all the minutes at SF. But, Dorrell will win the lion share because he has a better jumper.

But I too do not want to see reggie play SF….EVER.
curry 6’3"
Monta 6’3"
Reggie 6’4"….

Here we are again playing small ball. I thought the fan based has moved on from that?

by Balance on Sep 2, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't mind the backcourt being that short

As long as the front court is pretty tall/good, and from the look of our roster right now, it seems like I’ll have nothing to worry about

by JustSomeName on Sep 2, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

When's the last time we were big in the FC tho?

Looks to me like we’re still out-sized against the good teams. Lee and Biedrins are adequate in height, I just wonder about the cojones.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Sep 2, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon GSOM

There’s a joke out there to be made somewhere.

Sigh, the offseason does indeed need to end.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Sep 2, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you consider Carney an SF?

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by mcwalter44 on Sep 2, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh, not really. You can write “he’s an MC”or “we got an SOS” — same deal.

I’ll send an SOS to the world…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 3, 2010 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it's not.

Unless you mean to say “An small forward” is incorrect.

by Precise Films Productions on Sep 3, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think the “an SF” v. “a SF” debate may actually touch on some interesting philosophical questions about whether the act of reading is more of a semiotic or an aural experience. To me it’s clearly a bit of both, which is why I wouldn’t say either is incorrect…

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 3, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Question...

Does anyone actually read S-F when they see that abbreviation? In my mind I always read it as Small Forward. Terms like SOS and MC I actually read as S-O-S or M-C, not as Master of Ceremonies or… um… whatever SOS stands for… I guess that is usually how I determine whether to use ‘a’, or ‘an’.

You’re right it does bring up some interesting questions about how we experience reading. One of the reasons I’m kind of a slow reader is that I much rather slow down and hear things in my ’mind’s voice’ if that makes sense. I’m not much of a skimmer, and I feel like that hurt me in college. I mean, sure, I can scan text for relevant data, but I really hate doing it. It’s not enjoyable at all for me. I have a hard time leaving so much information on the page without fully appreciating the rhythm and flow of the writing.

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by olympicmike on Sep 3, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone actually read S-F when they see that abbreviation?

Well, I don’t, personally. I reserve “Ess Eff” for San Francisco (and/or Sleepy Freud). I’d probably write “the Giants are an SF-based team” but not “Dorell Wright’s an SF.” Still, I wouldn’t call the latter “grammatically incorrect.”

Philosophical question for you, OM: how does your “mind’s voice” pronounce “^^^^”?

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

^^^^^

I don’t really pronounce it, I just look above or say “this”.

by Evanz on Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

^^ = Biedrins in my mind. Maybe, Andris… and on occasion Bart Simpson.

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by olympicmike on Sep 3, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Bee-drins” or “Bee-a-drinsh”?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 3, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bee-drinsh actually.

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by olympicmike on Sep 3, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha. I think if were a radio star like you I would make an effort to pronounce it “Bee-a-drinsh,” but when I’m reading my mind’s ear generally hears it as “Bee-drins.”

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 3, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um...

I think, um, that I, um, just kind of, um, combined the, uh, two most, uh, popular, um, pronunciations.

(That was how I would have said it if I was on the radio)

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by olympicmike on Sep 3, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

“^^^^” = Biedrins in my mind. Maybe Andris… and on occasion Bart Simpson.

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by olympicmike on Sep 3, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The language centers of our brain are active, when we read in the same way as when we’re listening. It’s a very aural process, so people who are aural learners tend to read well, too.

The official rule for using an versus a is purely one of phonetics, meaning if the pronunciation has a vowel as the first sound, then the article ought to be an, e.g. “It’s an honor.”

In this case, SF is not a commonly spoken abbreviation, but if the writer meant it to be pronounced, perhaps that was the mistake. No one pronounces SF as Es Ef, from my experience, unless, like you said, for the city of S.F.

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by Naticus on Sep 5, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter if it's an acronym

You deliver a eulogy. You do not deliver an eulogy.

by Jeremy Belvins on Sep 5, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You deliver a eulogy. You do not deliver an eulogy.

Right, but you do deliver an envelope.

“Eulogy,” like “university,” “eunuch,” and “yoyo,” starts with a quasi-consonant “Y” sound. Totally different case.

As long as we’re on topic, should we bring up “an historical event”…?

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

No, dewd. You use the definite article “a” or “an” depending on whether or not the word it precedes starts with a vowel or consonant PHONETICALLY!

This isn’t open for debate. It’s “an sf.”

by Jeremy Belvins on Sep 5, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

It depends on whether you mentally expand the acronym into the full word or not as you read or write it. For example, do you shoot “a FT”? Or do you shoot “an FT”?

by IQofaWarrior on Sep 5, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Naticus on Sep 5, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

when you write it as an acronym

you are implying that it should be read phonetically (not sure why Belvins disagreed with me before he agreed). You can write “a free throw” or “an FT”. That’s it. Any other way is technically wrong.

by Evanz on Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did some research

It gets more confusing when you factor in abbreviations. Abbreviations are usually pronounced by their original word, and there’s no straightforward capitalization rules: Mr for Mister, mph for miles per hour, mm for millimeters, CA for California, NY for New York. NY = New York is an example of an abbreviation that looks like an acronym.

I read that in professional writing, you should avoid using abbreviations unless it’s commonly accepted by all professional writers, such as “mph”. And when you do come across an acronym, you have to decide whether the acronym is commonly pronounced like a whole word (a NATO member, not an N-A-T-O member), which is technically what an “acronym” is, or letter by letter (an N-B-A player, not a NBA player), which is technically an “initialism”. It gets crazier with examples such as “JPEG” (pronounced JAY-PEG, not J-P-E-G, not Jah-PEG), a combo of letter and word pronunciation.

In casual writing, the rules are more relaxed, and for me, I use FT as an “abbreviation” for writing out the phrase “free throw”. So my intention is to say “a FT”, because I intended for “a FT” to be read as “a free throw”. If I were to write an article in a newspaper, I would spell out the word “free throw”, because it’s not a commonly accepted abbreviation/acronym/whatever-it’s-called to use “FT” for “free throw”.

by IQofaWarrior on Sep 8, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I take that back

about abbreviations and capitalization rules. Generally, you capitalize the first letter of the abbreviation if the original word was capitalized. So to be technically correct, an abbreviation of “free throw” should be “ft” or “ft.”. Even still, there are special cases, usually specific to a field of study. In chemistry, the abbreviation of hydrogen is H, potassium is K. It’s possible that “FT” is the correct abbreviation for “free throw” in the basketball field. I still wouldn’t use FT in a professional article, though.

by IQofaWarrior on Sep 8, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"a SF" not "an SF"

Let’s poll it! lol, think it all depends on the most common way it is read. Good research IQ

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by Baygiant11 on Sep 9, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

it is definitely "an SF"

just like it is definitely “An NBA” player, not “A NBA player”.

by Evanz on Sep 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but people don't usually say..

National Basketball Association, they say NBA. Just like they see SF but say Small Forward instead of saying SF.

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by Baygiant11 on Sep 9, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter how YOU the reader say it in your head

it’s a grammatical rule of writing – if I write “SF”, then it’s “an SF”. If I write “small forward”, it’s “a small forward”. Same as in your head. In your head, you say “a small forward” or “an SF”. Why do you think it would be different in writing?

by Evanz on Sep 9, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reggie is enough better than Carney offensively that it's worth some tradeoff.

Furthermore, if we’re running real 4s and 5s out there at the same time, we can afford to be a little short at the 3.

But really, to be blunt, I’m simply not okay with Monta playing PG.

We need Lin to step up, or to sign another player, to be our backup PG.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 2, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bell is a good enough Backup PG. He is solid on both ends.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 2, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where the hell did you get the idea that Bell is “solid?”

by WYK on Sep 2, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched bell play for years. He dont make mistakes on offense and is a solid defender.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 2, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then I suggest you take off the rose-colored glasses before watching Bell play. He’s a pretty bad player.

by WYK on Sep 2, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

All he has to do is not turn the ball over, and play defense. Mistake-free basketball is boring, but it’s all you need from most of your backups.

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by Supafishal on Sep 3, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

yikes

ease off the kool aid

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by wallywagon11 on Sep 2, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t count on Lin being as good as Monta at PG just yet. Playing PG in the NBA is very difficult; there’s a reason a talent like Monta wasn’t up to par at it. Expecting Lin to handle even 10 min.’s at the position this season is asking a lot.

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by Naticus on Sep 5, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

draftexpress' measurements for Carney

indicate he’s 1.25 inches taller than Williams, with about the same advantage in reach (Williams has a 6’9" + span). Williams rebounds well for a guard, as we’ve seen, and a little size/reach is of course no guarantee of Carney’s superiority in that task. Defense, as noted by nearly everyone here, is the chore that Carney would probably need to take up foremost to help the team , especially on the perimeter.

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by the.monk on Sep 2, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carney is definitely a SF. Or should be here, anyway.

He’s not looked too good at the SG spot over his career.

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 2, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The idea of not one but two long athletic freak wings patrolling the perimeter (and even the rim, occasionally) is pretty appealing. I just wish DWright and Carney had shown at bit more consistency and offensive chops…

Of the two, I’m definitely more excited about Dorell. He’s a bit longer, and has shown real flashes of being an efficient scorer (.567 TS last year), stellar rebounder (7.6 reb per 36 a couple years ago), and adequate passer (2.6 ast/36 that same season). Carney hasn’t really flashed much beyond athleticism.

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

why would they play Monte at pg? the only reason that happened last year was because we generally had only 8 guys dressed and there was no one else. Now we Reggie, Bell and Lin to spell minutes from Ellis and Curry so Ellis won’t be playing any pg.

by dannyschmanny on Sep 3, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Also, David Lee can initiate his own offense unlike big men like Tolliver and Turiaf. This means there’s less pressure on Monta to “make things happen” and he’ll be able to play off-ball more often with Curry and Lee to rely on.

by Precise Films Productions on Sep 3, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bell and Lin

Ugh. Personally, at least until Lin shows me something, I’d be happy seeing zero non-garbage time minutes from those two.

For the 10-12 minutes Curry’s resting, I’d be pretty OK with a Monta / Mr. Potatohead backcourt tandem. Neither’s a true point, obviously, but both can initiate and pass reasonably well. I just don’t see any value in giving meaningful minutes to a washed up vet or an unproven Ivy Leaguer— neither of whom, frankly, has shown much more in the way of “true” PG skills than Monta has.

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 3, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reggie and Monta is a good idea… Reggie, being a good passer, can help compensate for Monta’s shaky passing.

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by Naticus on Sep 5, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

play 5 minutes a game unless somebody’s injured

well, this is the Warriors we’re talking about…

by Evanz on Sep 2, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not exactly sure if I like this move. He’s got good size and athleticism to play the 3, but he’s not very consistent at anything. Not an efficient shooter, his rebounding rates have gone up and down over the course of his career, his defense is only “passable” for a guy who is as physically gifted as he is. I mean it’s better than signing Jannero Pargo at least, but that’s about the only positive I see out of this.

by WYK on Sep 2, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

We needed another wing that was 6’7 or taller and he fits the bill. Sure we coulda got a guy from the D-League but Riley wanted guys who been around the game for awhile. Im sure he’ll leave a open spot for a guy but this would be a coo signing if we get him for the vet minimum.

by J-RIDAH on Sep 2, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Good pick up.

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by thecity23 on Sep 2, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

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by Precise Films Productions on Sep 2, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woo hoo

I’m stoked.

:/

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by dubzfan on Sep 2, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Eh.

Depends on the money, but these are the moves that tend to bother me. Why spend millions on an end of the bench guy whose production you could get from any number of D-League call-ups?

He is solidly above average defensively, though. That’s the only good thing about this.

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 2, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree re: money

But, I’ll presume the contract is de minimis.

I really like this move, not because I know anything about Carney, but because they addressed the depth needed at the SF position. They went out and got a true SF who’s known (not by me) for his defense. I really like that actually. It means that management recognizes the importance of defense and they recognize that they have enough scorers on the team.

The difference between him and a D-League call up is that he is familiar with the league and its players and there gives the edge on defense, IMO.

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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 2, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

The current roster looks promising. It’s constructed in a way where roles are easily defined. If we traded for Melo, that would get disrupted.

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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a good thing.

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by WarriorForLife on Sep 2, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’d have to give Melo a max contract, when he’s not worth that much. He’s good but not that good.

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by Naticus on Sep 5, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This would be true if max contracts came even close to mirroring the value of max-level players.

However, they do not, so guys like Melo “deserve” the max because even though they are not worth what guys like LBJ/Kobe are worth, those guys get below market value.

by dprodigy19 on Sep 8, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand that reasoning

There are salary restrictions to work within. There are probably 5 players in the NBA that would be worth a max contract. The rest should get less.

I must look like a dork.

by Reverend_Randy on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The reasoning is that you can imagine what a player is “worth” as a share of the cap in a fixed (or semi-fixed, as it is with a soft cap) universe.

With no other restrictions other than max team salary, like the NFL, guys like LBJ and Kobe would be worth substantially more than the maxes the NBA has to offer.

Next tier guys like Carmelo would be worth right about at the current max on an open market whether or not that was the max price, so they are worthy of the current maximum.

In short, IMO Melo is worth around $14-15m per season, while other guys would be worth more if it were possible. The other guys getting kneecapped by a too-low max does not affect how much Melo is worth, it just lowers the better dudes.

by dprodigy19 on Sep 10, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next tier guys like Carmelo would be worth right about at the current max on an open market

I actually totally disagree and would put Melo in the next tier down. LBJ is probably the only guy in the NBA that is legitimately worth more than a max contract. Maybe CP3. Kobe isn’t. He doesn’t do enough for your team in the regular season to justify it. Melo doesn’t even come close.

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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 10, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus

last person we agreed with was pargo, so i’m not going to believe it until he is on the warriors website!

by deandres2k on Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Lol I don’t even know who this guy is. I just checked him out, he seems like a Pargo-like player.

by DubsFan408 on Sep 2, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok maybe not that bad, but he doesn’t seem like a good player to me..

by DubsFan408 on Sep 2, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

In terms of playing style, no. My point is he doesn’t seem to be that good of a player, much like Pargo.

by DubsFan408 on Sep 2, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

If its for 1 year

He becomes another expiring. I wonder if Riley is looking for decent, cheap people who could easily be traded in a bigger trade.

This season starts hopefully the real rebuilding mode…

by mosdl on Sep 2, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel like

the obvious nickname is Asada.

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by dubsfan510 on Sep 2, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Carney > Pargo

Happy with that.

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by FLAxwless on Sep 2, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Not that big of an accomplishment…

by DubsFan408 on Sep 2, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I hope we actually sign him and not end up with a Pargo situation. I like this addition. He can really get up and dunk on your head in the open court and he has solid defense with potential to be a great defender if he puts his mind to it. I think I am more excited about Dorell but I like Carney and actually wanted the Warriors to go after him. Plus a player that is a great dunker for 2k11 lol.

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by GSW9 on Sep 2, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s starting by March.

(Alongside 3 D-Leaguers and Charlie Bell.)

by belilaugh on Sep 2, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Call Riley

I thought they going to signPavlovic before Carney as he would have more experience in big games but Carney is due for a break out and will play for cheaper.

by Dro50 on Sep 2, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Ramen > Carney

We should play Ramen at SF more.

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Sep 2, 2010 8:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Meh, Vlad was a bit better at his peak (offensively anyway) but was worse last season, and is on the downslope of his career while Carney may still have a bit of upside, particularly in a fast-paced system like the Ws. Carney also seems to be a better defender. If we have 8-10 minutes a game to spare at the wing, I’d much rather give it to Carney.

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 2, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s better about Cartier Martin? We auditioned him already; he was basically a big zero. Udoka’s a good defender but kinda sucks at everything else and is 33 years old. Fesenko’s a big body who doesn’t rebound his position. Amundson’s a very solid role player … and we’re pursuing him.

None of these guys (except possibly Amundson) is going to affect our win total much if at all — why not take a flier on the guy with the highlight reel dunks and the l’il bit of upside?

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 2, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares if the guy can play??

D.Wright does not fulfill my dunk-needs. I haven’t seen this kid much since his college days, but he was an absolute freak jumping. I need some of that to sustain me until this team has a shot at legitimacy…

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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Sep 2, 2010 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

NCAA Dunk Contest

I remember watching Carney in that contest back then. He has crazy hops. Took off about a foot behind the free throw line and still almost made it while making it look easy. He would have attempted it again, but he didn’t want to possibly injure himself. I was thinking, “wow, what a freak of nature” during that whole contest.

I don’t know about Carney’s shooting, but he should at least try to be aggressive and drive it hard in the lane whenever he can. He has the speed, quickness, length and athleticism to be a decent slasher. Hopefully he’ll blossom in Nellie’s free offense, I can already see Curry running easy fastbreaks with Monta, DWright and Carney. Riley is slowly putting together a team that’s capable of running other teams out the building.

by Precise Films Productions on Sep 2, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Could turn into a poor mans matt barnes...

Could he turn into what matt barnes did for us in 06-07…?

by T-m0ney on Sep 3, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know

Barnes was a tough player on the court and played with a lot of hustle. So far Carney’s just known for his dunks, but then again Barnes was known for being a scrub before he went to Golden State and became a key player for us.

Hopefully Nellie’s offense gives D-Wright a “Wow, I’m free to do anything on the court?? :D” type of feeling and he won’t feel held back; sometimes a sense of freedom is all a player needs to become good.

by Precise Films Productions on Sep 3, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

I meant to say Rodney Carney, not D-Wright (although I hope both of them have success here).

by Precise Films Productions on Sep 3, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Poor mans Mat Barnes?

not even close, his defense is horrible..perfect for nellys system though.

Should have some highlight reel dunks though with Curry running the point

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by AlbinoWhale on Sep 3, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

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