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2010-2011 Minnesota Timberwolves Preview: All You Need Is...? :: Around the Association

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A search through my ever-burgeoning iTunes library turns up over 2,500 songs with the word "love" in the song, artist or album title.

 

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By contrast, a search through the roster of the 2010-11 Minnesota Timberwolves turns up only one Love — third year power forward Kevin. Yet in many ways, Love the player may be as integral to the Wolves’ fortunes as Love the word/concept is to popular music.

Ugh. If you made it past the corny segue, make the jump for some more love-lorn crooning!

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OK. if you’ll allow me one last bad play on words: what the Wolves need now is Love, sweet Love. Roughly, Love is to the Wolves’ fortunes as Stephen Curry is to Golden State’s, in that barring a major acquisition, their hope of making a real leap from bottom-dweller to playoff contender rests on Love’s ability to make the leap from very good player to Top 10-15 caliber player. On the bright side, in both cases such a jump seems within the realm of plausibility.

Like Curry, Love was last seen by the world at large brandishing his gold medal in Istanbul alongside his mortal teammates and the almighty Kevin Durant. Like Curry, Love seems to have rare leadership qualities, drive, and hoops IQ on top of his physical gifts. And like Curry, Love is not only really good already, but seems to be improving steadily. His production across the board jumped from his rookie to his sophomore season: from 15.8 pts (.538 ts) / 12.9 reb / 1.5 ast per 36 as a rookie to 17.7 (.549) / 13.8 / 2.9 as a Soph. That’s the kind of jump that often presages NBA stardom (see Durant, Kevin, e.g.). The efficiency isn’t quite stellar level, yet; but as GSoM guru jae points out, shooting is the one area where young hoopsters tend to improve. And in the one area where young players tend not to improve — rebounding — Love is already among the best in the NBA. Heck, he may be the best, full stop. My last image of him from the FIBA final, in the final minute of garbage time, was him curling forcefully inside his man to pull an offensive rebound off a Granger miss, when a split-second earlier he looked to be completely out of the play.

It’s a good thing for Love, because beyond Love the Wolves roster is a bit of a mess. Wolves' General Manager David Kaaaahhhhn probably receives more venom and ridicule in NBA circles than the other 29 GMs combined, though I suspect this may be in large part due to possessing the kind of face you sorta wanna punch.

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Sure, his roster management overall has been pretty bad, but not that bad. In the "good move" category, you can put realizing that Love is the franchise; not trading him (as was rumored throughout the summer); and starting the process of building around him by jettisoning overpaid, one-dimensional ballhog Al Jefferson. In the awful category, you can put drafting 6'0" shooting guard Jonny Flynn over Stephen Curry, as well as the acquisition of Michael Beasley, a player so terrible he makes Darko Milicic look like a decent #2 pick. Beasley's basically Anthony Randolph — if Randolph were much shorter, much less athletic, a much worse rebounder and shotblocker, and much less mature.

Most of Kahn's other moves have been kind of in between. Rubio still seems like a solid pick. He didn't light the world on fire in Turkey, but he still has rare court vision, passing and defensive skills, in a lanky 6'4" frame. Give him another couple years to mature, and I suspect he'll be ready to step right in as a Top 10 NBA PG. Wes Johnson at #4 could be a solid pick. It is somewhat worrisome that after totally bungling the Flynn pick they went out and grabbed another Orangeman who came off as engaging and charismatic in pre-draft interviews. On the plus side, Wesley, unlike Jonny, actually had dominant college numbers, and is actually correctly sized for his NBA position. Personally, I wouldn't have let Cousins slip past me at #4, but I can see decent reasons for picking Johnson.

Other moves: Dumping Sessions, an excellent backup PG, for nothing seems kind of stupid, but understandable with Rubio looming on the horizon. Darko at 4 years/$20M seems patently absurd, but is probably the going rate for a 7'0" 250 guy who can tie his own shoelaces. Anthony Tolliver @ 2/$5M ... meh.

All of which adds up to ... well, almost certain failure this year, even if Love does take his next step towards NBA stardom (which I fully expect). Dave Berri and the Wages of Wins crew peg them for 24.44 wins, 4th worst in the NBA. I'd probably give them more like 24.68, but then I tend to err on the side of irrational exuberance. In the ultimate admission of failure, the team took out a full page ad in last Monday's Star Tribune, announcing essentially "wait till next year." Really? I mean, I understand the desire to temper fans' expectations, but come on. Telling your fans to give up in September is sort of the equivalent of telling your kids there's no Santa Claus. How can the team of Love, have such little faith in love, faith, and hope? If any true Wolves diehards are reading this, let me close this with some classic words from one of my 2,500 "Love" tunes — the O'Jays Love Train...

Please don't miss this train at the station
'Cause if you miss it, I feel sorry, sorry for you
Well
People all over the world (Sisters and brothers)
Join hands (join, come on)
Start a love train (ride this train, y'all), love train (Come on)
People all over the world (Don't need no tickets)
Join hands (come on, ride)
Start a love train, love train
Ride, let it ride
...

Note: anyone who wants to hijack this diary to give GSoM readers some musical recommendations, feel free. I'm aware that the 2010 Timberwolves aren't the most enthralling topic of conversation. I'll start with two: if you’re into Pop/Rock, check out Love’s Forever Changes and Orange Juice’s You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever, two of the underrated masterpieces of the 60s and 80s, respectively.
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Peace
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Kaaaahhhhn
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Oh no….Sleepy’s a mod!

by DubsFan408 on Sep 20, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually, I don’t think of myself a mod or a rocker. I’m more of a mocker…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 20, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

obviously

you’ve had enough of hard days nights

Over The Line!

by Lat We N Trash on Sep 20, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I die for a word it'll probably be Mom, Dad, Nash or Stoudemire.

"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables

by Bkj on Sep 20, 2010 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

congrats Sleepy

your frontpage piece is great

for example

Darko at 4 years/$20M seems patently absurd, but is probably the going rate for a 7’0" 250 guy who can tie his own shoelaces.

i always thought that this signing isn’t the worst thing you can do -this is about the same money W’s were paying RT (i mean backup C) -this is around what Zaza is making in Atlanta -i mean Darko is at least big body you can unleash on all przybillas or gortats of league

Over The Line!

by Lat We N Trash on Sep 20, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Love is amazing.

Hopefully he’ll start this season.

>_>

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 20, 2010 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t see anyway he doesn’t start.

by tandy on Sep 20, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why they’d start Michael Beezy over Love. But then again, anything is possible when Kahn is your GM…

by DubsFan408 on Sep 20, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kahn’s not the coach.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

anything is possible when Kahn is your GM…

by DubsFan408 on Sep 21, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

And, as far as I can tell, he has no say about rotation decisions. He doesn’t coach the team; he doesn’t make those calls.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahha, i have a hard time believing Rambus is that stupid.

by tandy on Sep 21, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

well he had Al Jefferson who many people believe is “good”. So I’ll give him a pass, though if he doesn’t play Love this year, then he is just a dumbass.

I mean I thought the whole reason to trading Jefferson was to play Love more.

by tandy on Sep 22, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya

Love only averaged nearly 29 minutes a game. Sucks that he never saw the court.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Sep 28, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can never underestimate KAAAAAAAAHHHHNNNN

There’s no way he should’ve been on the bench as much as he was last season, playing behind Al Jefferson, Darko and Ryan Hollins.

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 21, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rambis made last year a teaching year and hates playing players out of position. It was sort of weird to follow, but Rambis was pretty forward about building for the future at the expense of wins that year. And with the abyss on the wings for that team, there weren’t many wins to sacrifice, anyway.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make sense.

Love is one of their young players, Jefferson was not. If that was the case, it would have been Jefferson sitting and not Love, right?

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 21, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He benched Love for not doing very specific things on both sides of the ball, despite the fact that Love was going to help them win games better than any other Timberwolf. He used playing time as the dangling carrot in front of his best player.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sleepy, you got a vast itunes selection it seems?

Any Stones on there, or just a beatles lover?

REPLY TO DONUT

by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 21, 2010 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Lots o’ Stones, too — 253 songs to be precise. For me their peak is the late ‘60s through early ’70s: basically the amazing three album run of Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile on Main Street, with the live Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out! thrown in for good measure. I’m not a huge fan of their really early stuff, or anything after the mid-70s. Overall, when push comes to shove, I’ll always pick the Beatles and the Who over the Stones. I could give you some reasons why, but it comes down to personal preference.

If you’re into ‘60s rock, definitely check out Love’s Forever Changes and the Zombies’ Odessey and Oracle if you haven’t. Of course I don’t condone free downloading, but if you want to “test them out” before purchasing, you should be able to find free copies of both floating around the internets (a google search with album title and RAR usually does the trick…)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 21, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

(a google search with album title and RAR usually does the trick…)

Or site:mediafire.com at the end.

I must look like a dork.

by Reverend_Randy on Sep 21, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

(a google search with album title and RAR usually does the trick…)

Or site:mediafire.com at the end.

Or site:megaupload.com maybe

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

by mykelala01 on Sep 21, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like mediafire first

less of a hassle than megaupload. No wait (45 seconds) and you can do concurrent downloads.

I must look like a dork.

by Reverend_Randy on Sep 21, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm only 23-years old,

but I’ve really been venturing in to the 60s Pop/Rock scene myself in the last year. In that time, I’ve come to absolutely adore The Beatles (my favorite in the short time I’ve been a fan, has always been Paul McCartney), and I was lucky enough to get the recently released box set of their 13 studo albums (plus the double-disc Past Masters collection) digitally remastered (in stereo) as a Christmas gift last year. This was at the peak of my Beatles-loving craze- a personal phase which I really credit with opening my mind to great all-around music… The Beatles were a very complete/all-around band.

Anyway, in recent months I’ve progressed to the Stones, with the double-disc Hot Rocks and More Hot Rocks collections, The Beach Boys, with Pet Sounds and their comprehensive career-spanning Good Vibrations set, and The Who, with their Meaty, Beaty, Big & Bouncy hits set. I now love these three bands as well, and feel that of these three, The Who most resemble The Beatles in talent for crafting brilliantly catchy melodies. Having said that, I’ve recently come to feel that Brian Wilson was on a whole ‘nother level in this decade (the 60s, particularly from ’61-’66), and The Beach Boys have recently solidified their mark (in my mind) as the “other” greatest band of that era (besides The Beatles). Although, to be honest, I don’t think The Beatles ever recorded a record as simultaneously poignant and technically awe-inspiring as Pet Sounds… indeed, this is high-up on my favorite-albums-of-all-time list. Revolver, Help and Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band are also on that list.

If you want some music recommendations, Tears for Fears are my all-time favorite Pop/Rock band and they always will be. They turned me on to rock music in general, with the album The Seeds of Love (to this day, my favorite pop album of all-time, in any genre of music). I also ADORE Rock En Espanol (Spanish Rock), and listen to it as much as I do Rock. In case you’re a little shy about venturing to listen to music whose lyrics you might not understand, you should be comforted by the fact that the music itself is pure Rock. And hence, since The Rock En Espanol movement really emerged in Latin America- in the early-mid 80s- all Rock En Espanol groups have shared the same exact influences (British and American) and styles/trends as their Enligh-language contemporaries. And so, I actually refer to Rock En Espanol, simply as Rock (when I categorize the genre on the Rock En Espanol albums of my iTunes library). Of these spanish rock bands, my all-time favorite is Soda Stereo. They’re one of the greatest New Wave bands (they emerged in the mid-80s) EVER, and undoubtedly the most important as well. They really are Spanish Rock’s equivalent of The Beatles. Like the Fab Four, their sound matured and evolved significantly on every successive album release until the time of their dissolution in ’97.

I’m also getting into Jazz music. I’m currently listening to an album called The Very Best of Chris Botti, which I highly recommend as well, if you like really chill, mind-expanding music. And speaking of Jazz and mind-expanding music, oh man, Sleepy, if you haven’t already done so, do yourself a humongous favor, and get on to Juan Luis Guerra. He is arguably the greatest Latin music (traditional caribbean, not rock) artist of all-time. And I’m not saying that because I’m Dominican (which he is as well). The guy is purely a genius. Simply put, he made typical Dominican/Caribbean music (Merengue and Bachata, to be exact) mainstream. I mean, he GLOBALIZED a genre of music. And one that, to this day (Latin music), normally has very little crossover-market appeal. I mean, it’s very ethnocentric music (when’s the last time you heard a Merengue or Salsa, or a Bolero on the most popular pop music stations?). Well, if you do, it’s likely a Juan Luis Guerra.

A composer, producer, arranger, and singer, Juan Luis actually studied Jazz composition here in the states (at the Berklee Conservatory of Music in Boston) and after graduating, he returned to his native land (the Dominican Republic), where he released his debut album with his band (called 4.40, named after the standard music pitch A440)- in which he incorporated the Jazz rhythms and Afro-pop music sensibilities he studied at Berklee- which flopped. Then he decided to do what no other Latin-American artist (that I know of) had ever done (or has since), and he decided to go back to his roots and make music from his island (Merengue and Bachata, which originate in the Dominican Republic), which he would fuse with the more worldy sensibilities of the music from where he got his masters degree- Jazz. And the result? Brilliant Pop music.

I could actually go on and on about Juan Luis. He’s the one music artist I’ve (constantly) singled out as my favorite in the near-3 years since I became a fan, when I talk to people about music. The thing is, what he’s accomplished with the inventiveness of his music, is a feat that’s never been accomplished by any other (typical) Latin music artist. Hey, I love a classically Dominican Bachata or Merengue as much as the next Latin American does. But the difference between that kind of music (conventional) and what Juan Luis does with his Merengues and Bachatas (and Salsas) is like the difference between what the Neo-Classicists and Shakespeare did (with Drama), what 50s-early 80s bball players and Michael Jordan did (with basketball), and what 50s-early 60s Pop/Rock bands and The Beatles did (with pop music). I mean, it’s almost night and day.

So, Sleepy, what I’m trying to tell you is, listen to Juan Luis Guerra. Get the album Bachata Rose, by Juan Luis Guerra Y 4.40. Don’t download it. Buy it. It’s the album for which Juan Luis won his first Grammy award (in 1990), and is the one in which his globalization of Merengue and Bachata music is most glaringly inherent. Indeed, during the touring of the multi-platinum album, Juan Luis sold out stadiums in locations as distant as Japan, as well as ones across the Americas (including a 200,000 seat stadium in Mexico). Simply put, that album is the reason Merengue and Bachata (and probably Salsa, which originated in Puerto Rico, but which Juan Luis also does better than anyone else) has a following in Europe and Asia. Heck, he named one of his recent songs (another hit single) Bachata En Fukouka because of how moved he was by the Japanese audiences’ overwhelming response to his music.

But with Juan Luis, you have to start with Bachata Rosa, even though his new album, A Son De Guerra, is phenomenal (best pop album of the year in my opinion, tied with Eminem’s Recovery). If you listen to Bachata Rosa, I’m positive everything I’m saying about Juan Luis converting Latin music into mainstream pop will be put into perspective for you. The production values of the songs, the catchiness of the hooks, the beatiful bridges, the soulfulness of the singing, the Spanish ballads (Boleros), it’s all there. His influence on the music of Latin America… He enhanced it… I still cry when listening to the Bachatas on that album. It’s the album where it all started, really. Where he crossed over from the Latin America market (after crossing over from the Dominican Republic market to the rest of Latin America only a year earlier with the classic album Ojala Que Llueve Cafe) to the rest of the world. The one where the world was introduced to Dominican music (albeit, with the distinct Juan Luis-style flavor). And to the poetry of the lyrics (he’s been likened to a Latin John Lennon, or the great poet Pablo Neruda). But I won’t dwell any further on the sophistication of the man.

But please, buy Juan Luis Guerra’s Bachata Rosa, for your family. Discover the man. There’s Latin music, and then there’s Juan Luis Guerra. :D

by Krazee max on Sep 21, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, if you’re 23 and into Rock, it’s time to graduate from Hot Rocks and Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy (classic as those singles are). For the Stones, pick up the three I mentioned above. For the Who: Sell Out (1967), Tommy (1969), and Who’s Next (1971). If you want to witness the Who at the absolute height of their powers, watch them blow the Big Top off the Rolling Stones Rock ‘n’ Roll Circus, preferably at max volume (a bit long at 7+ minutes, but the majestic crescendo towards the end is well worth the build-up).

I’ll check out Guerra. I downloaded some stuff of his a few years ago based on a friend’s recommendation (a few tracks off Areito and Ni Es Lo Mismo Ni Es Igual) but never really gave it a fair shake. So much music, so little time…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 22, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Duly noted!

I’ll actually get off to a head start on your recommendations list because my step dad has a copy of The Who’s Tommy in the house. I will rip it to my library! I also recently scanned Rolling Stone Magazine’s Top 500 albums list online and discovered Exile on Main Street at number 7. It recently got a remastered treatment with a deluxe edition re-release too. I will definitely check it out!

You’ve heard some of Juan Luis’ stuff! Ni Es Lo Mismo, Ni Es Igual (1998) is not one of my favorites of his (though “El Niagara En Bicicleta” is one of my favorite of his songs), but I think Areito (1992), is one of his best works. In that album, coming off the heels of the world-wide phenomenon that was 1990’s Bachata Rosa , he took a different direction, exploring the music of the DR’s indigenous Taino people (the title track and “Naboria/Daca Mayanimacana”) while singing passionately-to-the-point-of-rhapsody in their native toungue, modern socio-political themes on songs (the uptempo Merengue “El Costo De La Vida” and the sweeping, cathartic Salsa “Si Saliera Petroleo”, feat. Ruben Blades), Chamber music (Cuando Te Beso- original), Mexican Cumbia music (“Mal De Amor”), and New York-style Salsa (“Ayer”), in addition to his usual array of unique Merengues and Bachatas.

Besides Areito and Bachata Rosa, I highly recommend 1994’s Fogarate, my second favorite Guerra album. It’s quite possibly the album that best exhibits his almost boundless range as a musician. On that gem, he visits the lightning-fast, accordian-driven style of Merengue (known as Merengue Tipico, or Perico Ripiao) which originates from the rural/poorer parts of DR, the English Ballad, Chamber music, and Soukis-influenced Merengue, along with his distinct brand of Merengue, Bachata, and Salsa. His new album features seven different genres of music too, but it’s too new to really get credited as a favorite of mine at this point.

As far as Rock En Espanol, check out Soda Stereo’s albums Cancion Animal (1990, their hardest Rock album, which also features Rockabilly and some New Wave stylings), Dynamo (1992, in the sonic wave-vein, their most experimental album, coming shortly off the heels of My Bloody Valentine’s Loveless. I’m in love with this album right now), and Signos (1986, the pinnacle of their 80s Synth/New Wave era, and the one in which the group’s mettle as legitimate music artists first became emphatically evident, as the combined Arena-style sound and epic nature of most of the tracks marked a significant growth spurt in the band’s sound). Signos is also one of the most important Rock En Espanol albums, as its promotional tour marked the first where the Argentinian band (or any Latin American Rock band) transcended their national boundaries and toured across the rest of South America.

I’m so happy you created this thread, Sleepy! And Congratulations! ;D

by Krazee max on Sep 22, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kero One in case you didn't hear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY39XNcXFKM

"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2

by golden_solitude on Sep 21, 2010 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, Man! I love Belle and Sebastian. A lot of people find them a bit too “twee,” but I’m a total sucker for a sweet pop melody. If this one is as good their last two albums, I’m sure I’ll love it…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 21, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

All of the above.

TEH INTERNETZ: if you're wondering whether it's worth it, it's not worth it.

by lurkers UNTIE on Sep 21, 2010 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know how acquiring Beasley for nothing can be an “awful” move. Sure, he’s been completely unimpressive in his first two years in the NBA, but he was pretty terribly used in Miami, and when he came out, the guy was projected to be a “better rebounding Carmelo Anthony” by (crap, totally blanking on the name here, I want to say it was Basketball Prospectus, but could be wrong about that. It’s the site that finds comparable NBA players based on college numbers and lists them for every draft pick), and lo and behold, his rookie numbers looked to be in Melo’s ballpark. Hell, they were a little better than Melo’s.

Yeah, Beasley regressed last year and saying “look, similar rookie numbers!” is a terrible argument when what you do after is so friggin’ important, but the guy smoked a decent amount of weed and now claims to be done with that. This is a pretty low risk move, with a good deal of upside. I’m not ready to call Beasley “done” after two smoke filled, disappointing years. If he’s ready to work, he’ll improve this year. We’ll see how it shakes out, but it’s not a move that we can really figure out for another year or so.

Also, Pekovic, their new Euro import was a rockin’ awesome scorer. High volume, high efficiency. Looks like a crappy rebounder, but man, he seems like he can score. Figured I’d mention him.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 4:39 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

i totally forgot about Pekovič myself

saw him couple months ago playing in FIBA EC qualification game -i was impressed -Nikola is some big and strong dude -i mean he doesn’t look polished (also stats show that he really isn’t good rebounder) or smart or creative but still is able to impress -he isn’t afraid of contact and really likes to play inside

Over The Line!

by Lat We N Trash on Sep 21, 2010 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of Kahn’s better interview moments (not saying much, they’re few and far between) was when he called Pekovic “the kind of guy who kicks sand in your face at the beach.” I’m excited to see him play in the NBA. There aren’t many players like him who just rely on bullying their way into deep position in the NBA. It’s not about post moves for Pek, it’s about pushing you under the basket and then finishing.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buying low on Beasely is a good move.

But he also plays the same position as your best player.

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 21, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

apparantly Love plays some at SF

and heaven forbid getting a second player for on a two year contract for nothing even if he plays the same position as your best player.

by wallywagon11 on Sep 21, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I said it was a good move, did I not?

And Love definitely does not play SF. Beasley, yeah, but not Love.

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 21, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He plays about 90% of his minutes at PF.

If Beasley is fine with playing 15 minutes a night, it doesn’t matter.

by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 21, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

who cares what Beasley is fine with

I wouldn’t trust that guy as a building block given his history.

by wallywagon11 on Sep 21, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rambis plans on playing Beasley a fair amount at the 3, apparently. Probably to get he and Love on the floor at the same time. I’d also expect Love to see a couple minutes at the center spot here and there for the same reason.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wes Johnson, Martell Webster, Lazar “won’t ever play unless someone gets hurt or someone else needs to be taught a lesson” Hayward and sometimes Corey Brewer maybe…? The Wolves have some wings, but almost none are Corey Maggette types where they would be out of place at the 2.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great points, Cap’n. You’re probably right about Beasley. I maintain that he’s a poor man’s Anthony Randolph, but a getting a poor man’s Randolph with two years left on his rookie deal for essentially nothing can’t really be considered a bad move. Also, thanks for bringing up Pekovic — I should have brought him up, along with Kosta Koufos, another big Euro with some promise. It will be interesting to see how the frontcourt shakes out with Wes Johnson, Beasley, Brewer, Tolliver, Koufos, Darko, and Love.

Ugh, looking at that list … what a mess! And the backcourt, led by three tiny dudes in Flynn, Ridnour, and Bassy Telfair, may be even messier. Basically this team better pray Rubio blossoms the way everyone hopes, and comes to the States soon. Rubio, Wes Johnson and Love could be a pretty OK core.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 21, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kosta Koufos, another big Euro with some promise

I was under the impression he was an American

by wallywagon11 on Sep 21, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

wiki
Konstantine Demetrios “Kosta” Koufos (Greek: Κώστας Κουφός or Kóstas Koufós, born on February 24, 1989 in Canton, Ohio, United States) is a Greek-American professional basketball player for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He was selected by the Utah Jazz with the 23rd overall pick in the 2008 NBA Draft. Koufos played college basketball for Ohio State University’s team the Ohio State Buckeyes for one year before declaring for the 2008 NBA Draft.

Koufos holds dual citizenship of both the United States and Greece. He plays for the Greek national basketball team.

Over The Line!

by Lat We N Trash on Sep 21, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well at least he was born a US citizen

I didn’t know we gave out dual citizenship with Greece. Fun fact. I always wondered whether people suffer identity crisis with dual citizenship, probably because my nephew has dual citizenship with Canada and most of my wife’s family has dual citizenship with Mexico.

by wallywagon11 on Sep 21, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

One notable difference between Randolph and Beasley

is that in two seasons Beasley has appeared in 159 games, scoring 2279 points and grabbing 937 rebounds.
Randolph, in two seasons, has appeared in 96 games, scoring 883 points and grabbing 578 rebounds.

A poor man’s Randolph, Beasley is not, (in my opinion).

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by biggity2bit on Sep 28, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the expectation is that Bassy will be cut, and since Flynn’s out for a few months, it’s a pretty thin point guard rotation, really.

But yeah, Kahn is really “all in” on Rubio (something so overstated that the “all in” requires quotes—it’s really explicit on his part). If Rubio’s the real deal, Kahn’s done an almost good job filling every spot but center with guys built to pass and run. Athletic wings and an awesome outlet passer in Love will make the transition game work and with a front court full of passers to complement Ricky in the half court, it seems like Kahn has built a pretty concise identity for that team. Not sure the talent level is there, but for all the media criticism, he does seem to have a vision.

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by cap'n hack on Sep 21, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love is a fist

Damn, I used to love this band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXcuG28qHsA

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 21, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

and you're right

Kahn’s face is really asking for a knuckle sandwich

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 21, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has to be...

the James T. Kirk screaming of KHAAAAAAN!

by brewitt on Sep 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post, Sleepy

I was psyched to see your shout out to Love’s “Forever Changes.” As far as I’m concerned, there’s been way too much talk about David Lee on this board, not nearly enough about Arthur Lee!

by BlueInTheFace on Sep 22, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, that was pretty much a shameless shout-out to you, Blue… ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 22, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

PS

You made me want Love (Kevin, not Arthur) a lot more in the Wolves preview than you did when you were breaking down the “rumored” Randolph for Love deal, back before the summer got crazy. Now I’m wondering if I should regret that we cashed our Randolph chip in for Lee, not Love (not that Love was ever necessarily a realistic option). Love did flash some serious thespian chops on this season’s “Entourage,” after all :)

by BlueInTheFace on Sep 22, 2010 7:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah … I think Lee is still a slightly better player: not quite as elite a rebounder, but a much more efficient scorer. I also think he’s a bit quicker and more suited to the uptempo game. Neither is great shakes on D. Love’s big advantage is that he’s 21, cheap, and still seemingly on the sharp incline of his career arc.

Straight up, taking into account salary and age, I’d probably rather have Love; but as you note, we have no idea if that was ever really an option. If I recall, the going rumor had us flipping both Randolph and the #6 for Love. In light of the Udoh pick (and subsequent injury) that doesn’t seem like such a bad deal for us, but at the time, the upside of Randolph plus a #6 pick seemed like too high of a price.

Actually, now that I think about it, another of the going rumors — probably the most believable one — had us flipping Randolph and the #6 for the #4. That was the deal that would have truly kllled me, as it would have essentially meant sacrificing Randolph to rectify our poor luck with the ping-pong balls. Getting Lee for Randolph, while holding onto or #6 pick, is a much more palatable option (even if we may have bungled the #6 pick).

Overall … now that the whole roster has come into view, I’m pretty happy with how things turned out.

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 22, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good points

I also get the impression, based on zero actual information, that Kevin Love is one of these guys who is counting the minutes until his contract expires so he can sign with one of the LA teams and hang out with Vince, Turtle, and Drama in real life. David Lee, on the other hand, is the ultimate aw-shucks guy who actually doesn’t seem to care that the lights are brighter in LA/NY/South Beach. He seems to be a guy who seems wants to be in the Bay Area and put down roots.

by BlueInTheFace on Sep 22, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

PPS

I realize it’s not as easy as just “signing” with an LA team, given caps and so forth. I just mean that I wouldn’t be surprised to see him find some way—free agency, forced trade, sign-and-trade, whatever—to get out of the snow belt and back to the star-studded pool parties of Southern California. Maybe he is taking notes from Chris Bosh—another recent “Entourage” guest—about how fun it is to screw over the snowbound suckers who drafted you so you can chase the bikinis in the southern climes.

by BlueInTheFace on Sep 22, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

IF I'M GONNA GET MY BALLS BLOWN OFF FOR A WORD...

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by John Edward ''Jed'' York on Sep 24, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha, glad you got the reference. I’ll sign you up for “[censored]”. ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 24, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

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