Don Nelson to Resign as Golden State Warriors Head Coach
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 23, 2010 5:16 PM PDT
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Nelson, the all-time winningest coach in NBA history, will officially resign and accept a settlement on the $6 million owed him on his contract.
New Warriors owner Joe Lacob was determined to replace Nelson as coach, and Nelson, sources said, was glad to take his money and return to retirement in Hawaii.
Smart is working on a contract with the Warriors, and it’s still being negotiated whether he’ll be given a deal guaranteed beyond the 2010-11 season, a source said.
For awhile, it was clear the fire was still there. Don Nelson gave Warriors fans their greatest moment in a generation in his first season back. What came after it shouldn’t detract from that accomplishment. But as became increasingly clear from the middle of the 07-08 season onward, that fire for coaching was growing dimmer by the game. With the win record achieved at the end of last season (at the cost of better draft odds for the team), the time was right for Nelson to step away from the game. Thankfully, he took the opportunity.
Lacob and Guber likely recognized that some large, public change was needed to put their stamp on a new era in Warriors basketball. Firing Rowell would have been a good place to start — and should still happen — but for the average fan, it wouldn’t signify much. Letting Riley go falls under the same category, although his moves this summer have been a net positive for the team (in large part because he was able to undo earlier mistakes). The easiest move to demonstrate that things will be different post-Cohan was to let Nelson go.
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I wanted Nellie gone after these last couple of seasons but now that it’s actually happened, I’m a little concerned. Be careful what you wish for because you might actually get it!
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Somewhere back in my twisted little mind I will miss Nellie.
Now a possible rerun of Warriors past with constant turnover inexperienced coaches “with potential” unable to control big ego players(at dont see many on this roster now). We may actually miss Nellie.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 25, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
But I do wish success for Smart of course. We will see. He does have a relative mentally stable team to work with.
by Only In Fairfax on Sep 25, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully Smart will be demoted soon.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Sep 23, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
Keith Smart
is not the smart replacement to Nelson. He will be like Nelson but much worse than Nelson and have not proved anything. He became the defensive coordinator 2 season ago but our opponent still score 100 plus points against us. Well at least Nelson do a good job on offensive end of the floor.
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Every great coach was once a coach who hadn't "proved anything."
Not that I expect Smart to be great. I expect him to be average. I consider Nellie to be above-average for most of his career, but below average for the last three, so this might be an improvement.
The “defensive coordinator” thing was a joke. He didn’t control player rotations, and if you can’t do that, you can’t really do much at all.
Re: The "defensive coordinator" thing was a joke.
Maybe but what I didn’t realize is that Nelson hired Del Harris was as the "defensive coordinator" in Dallas, at least that’s what the transaction history has it listed as. I agree 100% with you on Smart BTW, it’s kind of insane to start trashing the guy without any significant history to base it on.
play like a 1 man guy
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 24, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta give Nellie some props. Sure, he didn’t seem like a coach the last 2 seasons, but thanks for the memories. Glad he got his wins too. I really don’t want Keith Smart though, but hopefully he turns into Alvin Gentry.
Alvin Gentry was a successful coach before however.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Much more so than Keith Smart.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and Smart is his replacement?!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aijb.qzGWDdM3V98apZ5Ak28vLYF?slug=ys-nelsonwarriors092310
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
if this is true I’m happy for Keith Smart that he’s finally getting his chance but I really wish it would be Brian Shaw
by 49erEmpire on Sep 23, 2010 5:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
who else is actually available?
Thibodeau, BScott, and Avery Johnson all got snapped up already. Which leaves the offensive mastermind Mike Brown, but he’d probably call about 50 isolation plays for Monta every game.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 23, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
How bout Monty Williams
Assistant coach from Portland… only 38 years old?? Lacob did say he wanted a young coach
Fear is the Mind Killer
He toook the head coaching job in New Orleans.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 23, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
young coach?
I got a young coach for you. Bring back Musselman!!
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 23, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
All for Shaw, unless he instills the triangle offense.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Sep 23, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think if we wait and ask for Shaw next off season
He’ll be the head coach of the Lakers since it’s widely known that this season will be Phil Jackson’s last. If we don’t get Shaw now, he won’t be available next June…
by JustSomeName on Sep 23, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with the triangle...
Jackson has won 11 titles with it :/
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see ex: Kurt Rambis and the ’10 Wolves.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Sep 23, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But that doesn’t mean it can’t work. Maybe Rambis just isn’t a good enough head coach. Or maybe the Timberwolves don’t have the right players. Maybe we don’t either. But there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the triangle. It’s been proven to work.
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with the best players in the league, and no one else.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not fair
When has it failed? All systems are better with ‘best players’. Personally I’m not 100% convinced Triangle wouldn’t benefit Warriors. We lack a true PG, no matter how much you want to paint Curry to be one, he is not Nash, Paul, Rondo and on. Some sort of ball movement system could bring out best in team.
I think Curry is a true point guard.
There’s just the added benefit he can go off ball to shoot off screens if needed.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a primary ball handler
Not a point guard. There is a slight difference IMO. I could easily see him in the triangle running the Kobe or Jordan role to real effectiveness. But nature of triangle is 3 perimter players are interchangeable. Thats why you often see them playing without a true PG. It’s not a system predicated on SG but on the ‘best player’ period. The idea is whoever of the 3 has the ball instigates the offense and then run various motion sets out of it. For Curry this COULD be ideal cause like you said, he is good both with ball in hand and off ball (rare quality)
The flip side I just couldn’t see CP3, Rondo or other very ball dominating point guards excelling in triangle as they need the ball in hand on every possession, and to be fair, you want it in there hand as they make excellent decisions.
The flip side of course, is Monta good enough for a triangle? He can be, but if he plays like last year no system will really ‘work’. Someone like Iguodala (first name off top of my head) would be obvious answer.
Yup
Monta will struggle with triangle offense. Look at Farmar he can run drive and shoot but still he got limited minutes with the Lakers. same as Brown. Even Artest agreed that he having a hard time with the triangle. So we can’t hire a any coach that instantly we teach our player to run the triangle.
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My point was...
Curry is a very smart player, and is not a player who needs to run a PG dominant system. He can play off ball and in different systems with success (I believe), so a triangle wouldn’t be awful. But I think Curry would thrive in most systems so eitherway
Yeah, but I still think Curry, Monta, and Lee are ill-suited for the triangle.
What we saw from Monta last year was that he needs to be coming at the opponent in a less-predictable way, to make it harder to double team him, since he’s not going to consistently make the smart pass. The triangle is highly predictable.
Similarly, the triangle is more about individual one-on-one matchups than teamwork and flow, which makes it seem like it doesn’t take advantage of Curry’s strengths (great vision and passing) or of Lee’s (pick and roll, decision making, flowing to the basket as a big).
Given that our big men are Biedrins and Lee – who are both very mobile for their positions, Monta’s best asset is his speed (best used when the opposing defense isn’t set) and Curry’s is his vision (best utilized when there’s a lot going on) I find it really unlikely that we’re going to turn into a half-court, grind-it-out team.
That’s just a bad utilization of the players we have.
With Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.
As well as Scottie Pippen and Shaquille O’Neal.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
but it also made Jordan a better player than he had been. Same for Shaq, same for Pippen. Same for Kobe. You have to start somewhere. No doubt those are some really good players…but it can be very effective. You forgot to mention the players this year too.
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I just don't think it's a good system for the Warriors
The Triangle really minimizes the impact of the PG on the offense, and the Warrior’s best player is a PG. I don’t know how Curry would do in the triangle.
Maybe not.
But that’s not a reason to disregard it all together. You’re offensive philosophy has to start somewhere. It doesn’t really seem like our type of up and down the floor offense is what it takes to win a championship. Balanced half-court offenses like the Spurs’ and Lakers’ do.
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This team thrives in a fast court offense, though.
And it won’t hurt them as much seeing as how they finally have rebounders and inside scorers.
They could play a fast paced offense while also being able to execute in the half court now that they can play an inside-out offense. Showtime Lakers style with Magic. Red style with Bill Russell and Cousy (which is where Nellie-ball got it’s roots since Nellie was a member of those championship teams).
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Aren't you the one talking about how this is a brand new team?
Who’s to say what offense this team would thrive in. Even if they are similar to last year, how do we know that’s our most effective offense? Have we seen a coach institute another offense for this team? Nope.
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I just like how this team looks as an uptempo team.
We have a lot of fast and athletic players and have the capability to play a half court game if the team slows down. I see Stephen Curry as a Steve Nash type of player, the guy who won two MVP’s while thriving in an uptempo style offense. The Warriors just have to stray away from being too offensive minded, though.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
a half court game if the team slows down.
If the *game slows down.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Nash...
the guy who still hasn’t won a ring despite 2 MVPs.
The uptempo team cannot win rings without a dominant CENTER. Not a good power forward. DOMINANT CENTER. Only reason Showtime could do it was they were good defensively and they had Kareem.
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Who said playing an uptempo offense means we shouldn't get a dominant center?
And I’d still rather have Stephen Curry play like Steve Nash who has been one of the best point guards in the history of the NBA. There’s so many great players who have never won a championship before. That’s like passing up on the next John Stockton because the original never one a championship.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Where are we going to get one?
I’m sorry, but as a fan, I’m not looking to do well. I’m looking for a championship. Even if it means only 1 season. 1 championship + 5 years no playoffs > 6 years playoffs, no championships.
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We're not going to win a championship that way.
We need something different.
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THATS RETARDED
Being out of the playoffs sucks. I want to know every season that we will be in the playoffs, 1 championship and 5 years of futility sounds awful. If I was playing on the team I may feel different but as a fan the NBA playoffs are the best time of the year and I want to be able to enjoy my team in them every season.
You want to be in and out every year?
You lose in the playoffs and you lose anyway. Plus, it’s not like that could logically happen. If you win a championship, you’re not just going to disappear. The NBA doesn’t have a Florida Marlins.
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That's also why I said they shouldn't get too offensive minded.
They have to play defense too. Just like what you said with the Showtime Lakers. They had one of the top defensive players in the NBA during that time.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No such thing as too offensive minded.
Only such thing as not defensively minded. You can be a better defensive team and still be very offensively minded. You would just have to be a really good defensive team. Nothing wrong with being both offensively minded and defensively minded. I think people confuse playing good offense and defense with being able to play it. You don’t have to focus on just one side of the ball. Great players are good on both ends.
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Not to attack you
But on what level has Curry actually shown Nash’s playmaking ability. Nash has always been a huge pass first guy. It was his DNA. While Curry is a good passer, has good vision, he’s a scorer. In a triangle system, he could be a near 30 point per game efficient scorer.
I’m not sure if it’s best use for him, but surely it’s not a wild idea to explore.
In a triangle system, he could be a near 30 point per game efficient scorer.
How do you figure? I’m really not seeing where you’re coming from, both in Curry’s ability to do that and in the triangle being a fit for him to do that?
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Dont need a dominant Center in a run and gun system. Just a few Centers that are shot block artists. Udoh is 1.
Udoh is kinda small for center
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
6’10 240
It is kinda small but I think he could play spot minutes as a Center until he gains 10 more pounds.
His reach is really lacking for center
even if he gets up to 250 (which is 13 lbs, not 10), he’d still be a little small for center. Not horrible, but he’d still be a spot center.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
His reach is his best asset.
7’4" wingspan is pretty legit. He’s light in the ol’ shorts, though. Not enough lower body strength.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 24, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
He has a good wingspan
but he has a really crappy reach, and by that I mean standing reach. Seriously- it’s like 8’10" or something. A center’s standing reach should be 9’2" or better.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
By that I mean,
9’2" is average for standing reach. You can obviously be an effective center and have a lower standing reach. 9’2" or better is ideal.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh, I’d call the C the most important position on the floor, too, but I don’t think you can rule out the possibility of an uptempo team not having one. Just because we haven’t seen it before doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you stop a good halfcourt team without one?
That’s why the Spurs always owned the Suns. They weren’t more talented, the Suns just couldn’t stop them inside. You need a good 7 footer.
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I mean, the Suns just swept the Spurs this past season. They’ve gone to the WCF’s 3 times. I don’t think it’s that hard to see them having won a Finals with just a bit more luck/random variation in their favor. Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it couldn’t have…
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Spurs are no longer the same team...
Spurs had ownage on them. Point blank. From ‘05 to ’08 they beat them in 5 games, 6 games, and 5 games. The first two times, when the Suns were at their best, they beat them without home court advantage. Duncan’s averages in those first two series:
27+ppg
14+rpg
3+bpg
His career playoff averages:
24/12/2.5
He was clearly better. Not to mention his better FG%. He killed him because they couldn’t stop him. Just like they lost to the Lakers because they couldn’t counter their size either.
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Just like they lost to the Lakers because they couldn’t counter their size either.
I thought they lost to the Lakers cause Kobe missed a jumper and JRich failed to box out.
And who knows what happens if Horry didn’t try to murder Steve Nash.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 25, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention his better FG%
Also- that’s a really important part. It’s definitely something that should be mentioned along his 27+ PPG.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 25, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Counting up the percentage would have been more difficult.
I was too lazy. I just took a quick look.
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That doesn't explain the other series.
And the Lakers won that GAME (which was tied) because of that play, not the series. Other than that game, the Lakers still have a 3-2 lead over the Suns. So yes, let’s just throw it out. Lakers won the series because they outrebounded the Suns in 5 of 6 games. They also had more interior defense. It helps when you have bodies stopping people from scoring inside. Running teams don’t do that well without good defensive bigs.
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Other than that game, the Lakers still have a 3-2 lead over the Suns
If JRich boxes out, it’s a 3-2 series in favor of the Suns going back to Phoenix. That’s huge.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 25, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
How?
It was tied. OVERTIME. Lakers at home. Who’s the favorite? o.O
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Oh wow, I misremembered I guess
I even checked the score (103-101 final) and still managed to think that the Suns were winning. My bad.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 26, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, good defensive bigs are important. One problem is Amare isn’t that. There are PF’s out there who are, though….
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah well when both of your two best players are defensive liabilities, and neither of them rebounds, that’ll happen. Duncan is really, really, really good at basketball. The NBA doesn’t always have guys like him.
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
most times, that’s what you end up with when you have a running team. A team with a good half court set does a better job getting back and setting up their defense, even if they don’t have the best man-to-man defenders. If you’re always looking for the fast break, it’s going to hurt other areas of your team, unless, you run it flawlessly. So if your an uptempo team, you still need that big man to always be ready to trail the break and get back first, to know how and be able to defend other bigs when they set up their half-court offense. If you let guys score in the post, it’ll kill your fast break, because everyone else is ready to get back. Even with a big, you could end up with the same issues. Other systems have worked better.
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How do you stop a good halfcourt team without one?
You need a center to stop them! Duh!
LOL.
Missing Barry never said that the Warriors shouldn’t get a center to go with their up tempo offense. WTF. hahaha.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 26, 2010 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because you're an up tempo team it doesn't mean you shouldn't get a center.
Where the hell are you coming up with this stuff? Ever heard of the Red coached Celtics? That’s where Nellie ball originated from!
Bill Russell with the rebound, outlet pass to Bob Cousy who dishes it out to Havlicek for the easy 2.
Up tempo teams are unstoppable with a dominant big man, because it means they can play defense and are able to compete in a half court offense when the pace of the game manages to slow down.
Showtime Lakers! Kareem contests the shot, gets the rebound and throws an outlet pass to Magic for the fancy finger roll!
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 26, 2010 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
All teams played up tempo until the 21st century.
I don’t get where this misconception fast paced team can’t win came from.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 26, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This team thrives in a fast court offense, though.
they’ve thrived their way to consecutively awful seasons you mean?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 23, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
They had the 2nd most player injuries in the history of the NBA last season.
Enough said about last year.
For 08-09, they just had a bad mix of players and Monta was out for half the season.
07-08 = 48 wins after going 0-6 to start the season. After the bad start, they didn’t lose back to back games until the last month. Basically, they rarely had any losing streaks.
06-07 = 42 wins even though Baron was out for 3 weeks and J-Rich was out for 2 months. Also, they didn’t get Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington until the 2nd half of the year.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 25, 2010 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions
True.
But the team that had the most still made the playoffs and met expectations. We weren’t really missing either of our best players. We didn’t really not meet expectations. All positive expectations were out the window once Jackson was gone.
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lol
That makes no sense whatsoever. The Warriors had potential to be a borderline 8th seed, they needed as healthy of a team as possible in order to have a decent season. I don’t understand why you’re going as far as to say all those injuries don’t matter just to win an argument.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 26, 2010 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
They had the 2nd most player injuries in the history of the NBA last season.
so only their injuries thrived not their record.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
O RLY?
You’re so good with witty comments!
I thought you’d know that injuries can hurt a team, especially if it’s a majority of the season. My bad, J.Cole.
Respond to this with another witty comment, they’re great.
so only their injuries thrived not their record.
hahaha.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 26, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions
don't respond to the quote.
i meant respond to my response of your clever comment.
you’re probably going to say something like, “wow, you’re so immature. i’m just going to be the bigger man and stop wasting time responding to your stupid comments”.
ahhh.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 26, 2010 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions
don't respond to the quote.
ok I won’t. ….or did I just?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 26, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
When we needed wins in 08, we couldn't get them.
We handed Denver a playoff birth, and not sure if our offense was the only instability (personal issues towards the end), but a running offense doesn’t provide you something stable if the other team is good at getting back defensively. You need some kind of half-court offense. Ours was alright, but it wasn’t really reliable.
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48 wins is 48 wins.
I don’t get why you’re trying to discredit that season just to win an argument.
We did pretty well for a team that was undersized, especially since they lost J-Rich during the offseason. If they had a player that could rebound and had a decent bench then they could have easily won a couple more games. Stephen Jackson was suspended for the first 7 games of the season, too.
Again. The first two seasons with Nellie were great and barely anyone complained. It was just the last two seasons that were unfortunate, with the most recent one being understandable because of the plague of injuries surrounding the team.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 26, 2010 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You cannot deny...
that Nellie has become a lazy-ass coach. He has his advantages, but we can’t count on him being around, and we’re rebuilding. We can’t count on him to teach defense, and we’re looking to a more rounded team. Even in those seasons, we had no stabilizing force. Nellie certainly isn’t it. I don’t know if Keith Smart is it either. He really might be a worse coach, but he doesn’t carry the power or weight of Nellie, and it allows us to restart now because Nellie is gone. Why play for just this season if we’re trying to build a contender. Get started on building the contender now. They made the right decision.
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by Brownie13 on Sep 26, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but you have to have players that fit the triangle, too. With all the moves we just made, we’d essentially be starting over and scrapping it all if we determined we don’t have the personnel for the triangle. It’s also a system that takes a lot of time to learn to run effectively. So you have to weight the costs and benefits of those factors.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
But the consequences of being a running team can be just as bad. It’s not as if we’ve gotten anywhere anyway. It takes time to build a championship team. The way to get there is a good system and a good coach to pair with great talent. Great talent can be accessed through the draft. Great systems aren’t as easy to find. Nothing says Shaw is going to be a good head coach, but you have to give the opportunity to someone who has a philosophy. I’m not sure Smart has one. He emerged as a face in the organization, but then seemed to be a yes man for Nelson. It’s possible that he didn’t want to rock the boat, but even when Nelson was out, he didn’t try new things. He just did worse at what Nellie does.
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If having the right system/philosophy was the biggest factor for being a good coach, everyone would be doing the same thing. I don’t really think we necessarily have a running team anymore, anyways. The way we’re set up now is to play traditional lineups, and Curry’s not really a great uptempo PG….so I’m not really sure we are structured to be nearly as much of a running team as we’ve been the last few years….
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
who’s winning championships? Not just your everyday systems and coaches. Duncan didn’t win championships just because he came into the league. He came into the right system. Lakers had Shaq and Kobe before Phil Jackson. It can be said that Kobe didn’t really hit his stride until that season, but we all know that Jordan was an amazing player before Phil. Jackson put him in a new offense…and BANG. Coaching is important. Gotta have talent, but even the most talented players will lose without the right coaching.
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Gotta have talent, but even the most talented players will lose without the right coaching.
And give Phil Jackson the Warriors roster from last year and they still win 20 something games.
Duncan didn’t win championships just because he came into the league. He came into the right system.
I tend to think that Duncan was a super incredible player- best of a generation type. He could have excelled in any half-court offense.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 25, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
He excels with the Spurs...
because it’s an inside-out offense. They’re one of the only teams that have been able to run an offense similar to what you see in a lot of college games. It allows post men not to see too many double teams. No doubt he’s a great player, but they had size and a well-calculated offensive strategy. Saying that the Warriors would not be better off with Phil Jackson last season is just…huh? Unless you mean to say that he’d be just as lazy with a bad team…
And the idea is now…at least to a lot of Warriors fans…is that we DO have talent. I’m not so sure we have playoff talent…but if we did, the idea would be to put them into a championship-capable offense and defense. Run and gun is just not going to get it without the perfect big man.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
And again, if some systems aren’t “championship-capable”, why would anyone run them? I’m just not nearly as confident as you are we can separate coaching from talent.
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
They do...
the Sixers were still running the princeton offense in the NBA last year. that’s why their offense is such a miserable mess. Milwaukee runs primarily out of isos. The Hornets and Cavs ran their offenses around 1 position. CP3 (when healthy) and LBJ dominate the ball and have it more than 50% of the time their on offense. That won’t work either, no matter how good the player is. So why do they run those sets? Who knows, but the biggest reason teams run uptempo is because they know it’s exciting and it’s fun to coach. It’s not necessarily a winner. It certainly had it’s shortcomings with the Suns, as well as us and Denver. You must be balanced, and it’s hard to be balanced in the run-n-gun.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
The Suns shortcomings were on the defensive side…..
And when CP3 and LBJ dominate the ball, it’s because that’s the best thing to do for their team, since their teammates suck….
by Missing Barry on Sep 26, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The reason they had defensive shortcomings...
is their favoritism for offense. Good scoring seven-footers that can run are very rare. They ran with Amare at center and Marion at power forward. How are you going to stop big men?
So, other than 1 player, the Cavs sucked last year? The year before too? They won over 120 games. I think you’re confusing him being the best player for being the only good player. Holding the ball is never a good decision. If you initiate the offense, that’s fine. But you don’t want to freeze it before you do it. It locks other players out. You gotta keep the floor balanced and share the ball.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
The Cav’s will win under 35 games next year.
To lose only one player of significance and see a drop like that shows they are a bad team besides that player.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 26, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
They've changed much more than that:
They got rid of their best perimeter defender. They lost both of their centers. They lost their defensive minded coach. They traded for an EXTRA point guard that is still average on defense. This team is no longer the 2009 Cavs – LeBron. They have no depth or size in the front court, which will just hurt their defense even more than the loss of Mike Brown.
Their rotation looks something like:
Williams/Sessions
Parker/Gibson
Moon/Green
Jamison/Hickson
Varejao/Hickson
Their only other payer 6’10 or taller is Ryan Hollins. They have Greg Steitsma out of Wisconsin but he might not even make the team.
They would have still been a good defensive team had they been held in tact, but they pretty much tore apart the important defensive pieces too other than Varejao. Still wouldn’t 100% count them out of the playoffs, though.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
You’re really not going to count that squad out of the playoffs? I mean, the East is weak and all, but that’s one terrible NBA team.
by Missing Barry on Sep 26, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
before they lost all their size and Delonte, I had them as the East’s 8th seed with around 40-42 wins. I think people underrate Mo Williams offensively. What off-ball shooter do you know of that isn’t inconsistent? Even Ray Allen, arguably the best in the game, is inconsistent. Mo Williams is a point guard, he shouldn’t be playing off ball that much, and I think he’ll become more consistent playing his natural position. I don’t really like their roster now, but Parker, Moon, Hickson, and Varejao are all above average players defensively. I think they’ll struggle against big men, though because they have no size, and have trouble with quick offensive players because the loss Delonte West. They still have a shot at the playoffs, though. I don’t see any team good enough for me to say they’d jump into that 8th slot.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
I think you’re confusing him being the best player for being the only good player
So then who else on that team is a legitimately good player…?
by Missing Barry on Sep 26, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Andersen Varejao?
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 26, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, he’s a guy that can help a team, but calling him “limited” offensively would be generous. I’m not saying they don’t have anyone that can contribute, just that they don’t have a single good player – as in, above average starter.
by Missing Barry on Sep 26, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
With Lebron, Varajao is.
Without, i doubt it.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 27, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
How are you going to stop big men?
Well, in an ideal world, Amare would put the effort into defense and rebounding.
by Missing Barry on Sep 26, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What's wrong with it is
that it’s boring as hell. I know many fans are stimulated by wins no matter how they come. Some of us are not. Not that I like losing. I want to see an exciting style win. The reason I watch is to see the beauty of the game. If the only way to win a championship is with a boring style, I’ll stop watching basketball and save money.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 25, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, let’s just say I do not share your views, even a little bit.
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason I watch is to see the beauty of the game. If the only way to win a championship is with a boring style
Boring wins can be beautiful too, just ask spurs, lakers or celtic fans. You just need a better education on the fine points of the game so you don’t get bored when they are playing out.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I may not know art
but I know what I like. I don’t like playing monopoly. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t have it’s finer points; I just don’t enjoy it.
But I don’t agree with some that successful NBA basketball can never again have as much action and fluidity as it did before the ’90s.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 25, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But I don’t agree with some that successful NBA basketball can never again have as much action and fluidity as it did before the ’90s.
I don’t think anyone who’s been around a while doubts that, it’s just a matter of players and coaching styles meshing with rules and team philosophies,
but I enjoyed the 75 warriors, the jordan bulls, and the recent celts/lakers finals all about the same for different reasons.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll give you the jordan bulls
as a very enjoyable post-showtime team, but for me that’s only because MJ was the greatest all-around player of all time.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 26, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn…
I wanted to see him go out in a blaze of glory, with the type of exciting run-n-gun basketball I love.
Damn.
by breaker on Sep 23, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Same here.
It would have been a great comeback year for Nellie as a coach. He finally had the right players to work with seeing as he hasn’t had a 20/10 big man since forever.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn…I wanted to see him go out in a blaze of glory, with the type of exciting run-n-gun basketball I love.
haha, old lacob is a party pooper isn’t he? probably thinks we wanna watch jeremy lin learn to play instead of nellie’s great finale?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple of days ago I responded to the “Nelly for GM” thread basically pouring my faith in Don Nelson as the coach of the Warriors… I’m not going to back away from that BUT… this is really a good thing for Keith Smart and the Warriors.
If Smart ends up doing well, awesome! If he doesn’t… then everybody in the NBA will know that Golden St will have a coaching vacancy next year with a new ownership group full of new possibilities and young budding stars… a very attractive destination for the next coach.
Yeah
All Smart will do is try to replicate Nellie’s offense.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're wrong.
I expect to see Smart hold players responsible this season for any defensive lapses while keeping Nelson’s uptempo style. I also don’t expect to see the looney tunes line ups. We should see our big men play like big men and our guards play like guards. I’m happy about this.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions
Atleast Smart is a player's coach
"The No. 1 thing (fans need to know): we’re going to do our damnedest to bring the Warriors to respectability on the basketball court." - Joe Lacob
Second best news of the offseason!
Cohan out, Nellie out
Competent Owner in, Defensive minded head coach in.
haha
I think people hate Nellie so much that they think any coach to replace him is an upgrade.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL. He isn't.
Just hard not to be less defensive minded than Nellie. Is it even possible?
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
I think it's because....
Nellie “promoted” him to “defensive coordinator” two years ago. That automatically makes him a defensive minded coach, lol
It does? o.O
I think he’s just less offensive-minded. Probably won’t ignore defense as much, but he i doubt he’s good at coaching it. Haven’t seen any of it yet.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
Shoot, Nellie dubbed him our defensive coordinator not me.
Here’s a nice little article to tell you a little about his past coaching….
http://www.nba.com/coachfile/keith_smart/index.html?nav=page
Was that Smarts fault?
or Nellies small ball even when we had the bodies to play normal?
Well it doesn't seem he made much of a difference.
Does it to you? A good defensive coach would do something with them.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
Now he has his chance
and I am thankful they are giving Smart the opportunity instead of bringing someone else in from the list of nobodies that are available.
I got no problem giving him the opportunity...
but we could do better. And what I mean was even as an assistant he should have helped the defense. He didn’t.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
I would love to see a run-down of the available coaches for next year
I’m not (completely) ready to throw Smart under the bus, but I think the Warriors are going to need a stronger leader.
That said, I do like the potential semi-stability of retaining Smart this year. The Warriors coaching system isn’t totally broken. But we certainly did not see any defensive improvement last season on D, even though Smart was supposedly in charge of being something of a defensive coordinator last year.
My emotions are raging, I’ll miss you Don!
But the future is now, and you were a part of the past
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
I assume Smart is a 1 year thing
See how it works out,and then next season (or the one after that if there is a lockout) we can get a more experienced if needed.
Nice knowing you Nelie
Mad respect for you, but age was getting to you. Have fun with Lucky in Hawaii good sir!
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
Anyone remember what happened the season after Nellie left Dallas?
They won 60 games! Avery was not proven as a head coach but by inheriting the talent Nellie left him and installing some defensive principles he flourished. There is no reason to belive Smart cannot be a successful head coach for this team when Monta seems to have his head screwed on straight now and Biedrins should be energized knowing Nellie isn’t around to play head games with him anymore. I’m even more excited for the season to start!
Gregg Poppovich was also an assistant coach for Nellie during the early 90s.
And he ended up winning several championships (although he did it in a completely different style than Nellie’s coaching).
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone remember what happened the season after Nellie left Dallas? They won 60 games!
And then lost to Don Nelson in the playoffs the year after…
by JustSomeName on Sep 23, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Well of course
young Daniel son was not ready to overtake Mr. Miyagi. But Mr. Miyagi is out the league now, so no worries.
young Daniel son was not ready to overtake Mr. Miyagi. But Mr. Miyagi is out the league now, so no worries.
or maybe Nellie will make one more run with some other team and knock Lacob on his Cubanass? :>)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 23, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha
It’s Daniel-San, not Daniel-Son.
Son.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
That was due to a match up issue, which is Nellie’s specialty. How do you beat Baron Davis, when your PG is Steve Nash? Bad match-up. Good job on Nellie’s part, but I wouldn’t blame Johnson.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
Hmmm… I’m losin’ my mind. I just remember Baron owning them, though.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
Hahahaha
Yeah, that part’s true. I’ve seen those 6 games plenty of times. They had no answer for the strong Baron Davis. Furthermore, Avery Johnson had no answer for Nellie’s Dirk Nowitzki trap. Back then, Nellie had Baron, JRich, Jack, Pietrus, Harrington, and Barnes trapping Dirk. They all had similar physical characteristics so that no matter who Dirk tried to switched to, someone strong and fast was always waiting for him. They used their strength and speed to double team Dirk from the blind side, cutting off Dirk’s offensive options.
Side note: I know everyone criticizes Nellie for not playing defense, and I think it’s true that Nellie doesn’t focus on teaching individual defense, but he does think about defensive “schemes”, and that scheme against Dirk was absolutely beautiful to watch. It completely destroyed him and turned him into a fearful kid.
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 23, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Nash had a hard time against the Warriors back then, too.
Baron Davis was too strong and quick for Nash, so D’antoni made Nash guard the Warriors SG instead. Nash would end up either guarding Jason Richardson or Kelenna Azubuike, who Nellie told to post up Nash on every position. Since Nash has bad post defense, the Suns had to send over another man to help Nash double team which opened up a Warrior to pass too. If Nash wasn’t guarding Baron, J-Rich or Azubuike, he was guarding Monta Ellis who was way too quick for him. I remember Monta scored 17 consecutive 4th quarter points on Nash during one of the Warriors/Suns matchups. It was a “pick your poison” type of thing for Nash when it came to the Warriors, and this was when the Suns were considered a WCF caliber team.
Basically Nellie was good at forcing mismatches on slow footed players like Nash and Dirk. That’s why I was hoping the Warriors would face the Houston Rockets in the 2nd round of the 2007 Playoffs. Yao was too slow to guard the Warriors that year. He had good games when the Warriors still had Troy Murphy, but Yao couldn’t dominate against the quick frontline of the We Believe Warriors even though they were much shorter.
I think if the Warriors played the Rockets in the 2nd round, they would have went to the WCF that year. The only players the Warriors would have to worry about against the Rockets were T-Mac and Head. Baron would have had his way against Rafer Alston. Anyways, I’m getting too off-topic.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I always maintained the Suns were a good matchup for us during We Believe, precisely because Baron was the single best matchup in the NBA against Nash. Baron was the best defensive matchup against Nash, and could have his way with Nash on the offensive end (as could Monta).
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
The matchup definitely helped us even the talent gap, but there was a lot of outcoaching by Nellie of Johnson involved, too.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
That's too bad
I would have loved to see what Nellie could do with a roster with some actual talent. Oh well, thanks for the memories, Nellie, especially We Believe. You went out fighting for your injured players on the very last game of the season. I guess that’s not a bad way to go.
I hope Keith Smart’s up to the challenge. Only 6 of the players know Smart. Everyone else is new to the team. I’m concerned about whether or not the new players will “buy into” Keith Smart, an unproven coach. We’ll see.
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 23, 2010 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank the good lord.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
by onlxn on Sep 23, 2010 5:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Haha. Somehow I could only muster a “moderately pleased” in the poll (no need to kick someone on the way out) but basically +1.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 23, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude still got his 6m.
Muster isn’t my word of choice. Haha. I picked “meh” I could take him or leave him. He’s always good for an interesting season, and looking at what is left to coach the Warriors I probably would’ve just stuck with him for 2010-11’. At the same time I’m interested to see what Smart has to offer now that he’s A. Out from underneath Nellie’s enormous shadow and B. Has a full training camp to get his guys ready.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Meh.
Here’s to hoping Keith Smart can coach.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 23, 2010 6:03 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah.
I don’t like this simply because Smart is probably worse.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, as a coach.
He’s not as good. But it’s still good to clear all our players’ minds of Nelson’s terrible coaching tendencies. Keith Smart may issues just as terrible, but his word won’t hold the weight that Nelson’s did. Nelson definitely has the power to corrupt a player. Smart probably can only fail to help him.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
Expect the players to say all the right things.
You’ll have to read between the lines to tell if they’re glad to see him go or not.
I agree.
But I think all of our players are enough offensively skilled that they don’t really need Nelson’s expertise on that end of the ball. We need defensive help, and that’s where he could hurt them.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
People can say what they want about Nellie, but he was a smart man.
Maybe a bit strange with his rotations, but he understood how to be a head coach (90% of which is motivating your players to compete). I’m not sure about Mr. Smart.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 23, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
In Nellie's absence
I actually liked the way Smart handled rotations and what not. They played pretty well for him. I’m willing to give him a shot and see what he does with this team as the leader.
We still lost a lot while Smart was coaching.
I hated his rotations too. Still remember the NJ game where AR goes nuts in the 2nd and gets next to no PT in the second half. Perplexed my mind when reading the Box.
Whatevs. Let’s see if he’s better than mediocre this year. We’ve got nothing to lose but our pride….again.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I disagree the Nellie was good at motivating players
He’s like the crazy boss you’re a little afraid of, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to do your best work under those conditions. He gave some players a lot of rope (too much in many cases) and completely alienated others.
@WorldBLee
I don't know. Those guys last year seemed to genuinely like him.
They played insanely hard in a lost season to get him the wins record. I don’t think they do that if they’re ambivalent in their affections.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 23, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I always thought that if you're one of Nellie's guys, he'll bring out the best in you.
If you’re in his doghouse, well then you’re probably gonna get traded.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
There was definitely a time when I thought Nellie was one of the smartest coaches in the game.
Although I admit that I haven’t really felt like that since the end of Run-TMC.
He seemed like a genius after that Mavericks series.
I feel like that was the last time he really coached.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 23, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as we hire a coach that can get the warriors to 15th or so in defensive efficiency I'll be happy.
by ap3604 on Sep 23, 2010 6:03 PM PDT reply actions
So you don't care if we are worse offensively?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Example: Orlando Magic
Number 1 defensive efficiency, number 2 offensive efficiency
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, but it doesn't happen that often.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Cleveland, San Antonio, Utah, OKC, LAL
were all better than the Warriors on offense while having good defense. There are others, too.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I specifically meant the Way Orlando is.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay
you can maintain offensive efficiency while picking it up on d
The Magic is just an extreme example of that. All of the good teams have good offense and good defense.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see that happening. We don’t have the personnel for it. We should be much improved, though, if for no other reason than rebounding.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Is this TK tweet correct?!?
timkawakami: "Joe Lacob on Keith Smart’s deal: “It will be a multi-year arrangement.”"
Doesn't make any sense, especially with the possible lockout coming.
The San Fransisco 49ers, where we got Dix, VD and Crabs!
by Badly Browned on Sep 23, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
And I don’t know why they’re so eager to give him a multi year deal when he hasn’t even coached yet. Why jump the gun? Why not wait the year out and keep your options open? It makes no sense to give him a multi year deal so soon…
by JustSomeName on Sep 23, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
a two or three year deal with a team option after the first year? Seems like that could be something viable and it would make it easier for them to keep him around if they had to or if they were pleased with him. I don’t know though, i agree it should only be a 1 year deal right now.
A multi-year
Would probably not be for much money per year as I don’t see Smart as having much leverage. So not too much risk to the Warriors if they do sign him. They can always cut him loose if the team sucks, and if the team does well they’ll have him locked in.
@WorldBLee
why would Lacob
be commenting on a contract when he doesn’t own the team yet? This would be a no-no, as far as I can tell. And I seriously doubt Lacob is that gullible.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
TK correct?
50/50, from what I read it said they would be “looking” and a contract beyond this year.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
I just see Nellie as the most innovative coach of all time. Maybe he wasn't good lately but i love creativity. If we were to play Lakers in playoffs this year, i would be confident Nellie would have a great plan to try to beat them. Keith Smart...nope.
Honestly it’s more fun to watch a 30 win or so Nellie team that a morbid, lack of creativity 40 win Vinny Del Negro or Scott Skiles team. I see Smart being very uncreative. The stretch he coached this season was pretty unbearable when we lost to teams like Chicago and Detroit with him running Mikki Moore out there for long stretches, and pulling Randolph even more than Nelson.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
Nellie has a lot of creativity, which is why I was so excited for him to coach this upcoming season; he finally got a good group of players to work with and utilize. His previous teams were just outside shooters and no rebounders, but the Warriors finally got a group that can score in the paint and rebound which made me anticipating how Nellie would use that to his advantage against other teams. It would have been like a more advanced version of Nellie-ball; no more living and dying by the three pointer.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your concerns about him running Moore out there over Randolph.
But the simple truth is that we don’t know how much that was his call or not. It’s quite possible that Nellie said, “This is the plan, execute it,” and, as an assitant coach, he did.
But when Nellie returned he started to play Moore pretty sparingly.
And Randolph more (still not enough).
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, I agree with you.
My point is that Nellie had the authority to change his mind, to follow his whims, etc.
Smart did not.
That being said, I think you might be remembering things incorrectly:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randoan01/gamelog/2010/
That’s Randolph’s game log. Which games was Nellie out for? The first game he was out was the 11-24 game, right?
Randolph’s minutes in the next ten games: 30, 27, 15, 11, 35, 25, 20, 19, 14, 29.
His minutes in the 10 games after that: 25, 36, 20, 36, 26, 24, 19, 20, 22, 24.
There’s no question that Randolph started playing more once Nellie came back. On the other hand, there are only three games with Smart as coach which look out of place:
on the 28th against the laker
on the 30th against Indiana
on dec 12th against Detroit
The notion that he was rottting on the pine under Smart, and getting lots of PT under Nellie, doesn’t hold water. Plus, let’s look at those games:
In the Laker game, we got blown out, and Randolph’s play certainly didn’t help: 2 for 7 shooting and 3 fouls in 15 minutes.
Against Indiana, on the other hand, Randolph went 5-6 from the field. Two things worth pointing out, however. First, he got ZERO rebounds. For Randolph to expect to play when he’s not rebounding strikes me as, well, unreasonable. Second, we won. It’s hard to criticize a coach for his player rotations in a game they won, unless you think the team should be tanking in favor of getting players experience, which I understand, but it’s hardly an open-and-shut case whichever side you come down on it.
Lastly, against Detroit, in a loss, Randolph shot 0-1 with 1 rebound. He also turned the ball over once and picked up three fouls. If you’re not going to bench him then, when do you bench him?
I remember having similar feelings to you about how Smart played Randolph, but in retrospect, it actually looks pretty reasonable. Smart’s decisions to not play Randolph appear perfectly defensible in those games, if the goal was to try to win those games.
In retrospect, it seems like Smart’s decisions about Randolph’s PT were entirely reasonable.
You forgot that Nellie still coached all the home games.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he? I honestly don't remember. How many games did Smart coach?
In any event, one of the games that removes from consideration is the Laker game, which was, in fact, the game in which Randolph played the fewest minutes during that stretch.
Yeah, i specifically remember.
Was at the Portland game, and Nellie pulled Mikki very quickly, went to Randolph and played him good amount.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for the research
I wanted to make some statements basically stating what you just did but did not feel like doing the research as you did. I recall thinking Smart did a decent job handling rotations. There were definitely numorous games where Randolph just plained sucked: to many turn overs, not getting rebounds and picking up fouls way to fast. That all warrants a guys playing time to be cut down. When he played well and did what he was supposed to do, he got more min.
Any decision that involves increasing Mikki Moore’s playing time is a bad decision….
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed wholeheartedly
I’m just hoping Smart was coaching with his hands tied, and if he is our coach he’ll show us something. But from what I saw, I’m not excited just yet
I almost had a heart attack
When I read that Nellie was going to resign I read it as re-sign. I was like WTF!!!! He only has a year left and we don’t want him anymore. Then I read more and was VERY relieved.
LOL
That made me laugh. Sad to see him go, but it’s better for the long run.
No one faults you for the mistake.
It could have EASILY happened if Cohan were still here.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
LOL. It felt like winning the playoffs when I heard the news.
Wow. Man, it felt like winning the playoffs when I heard the news. I’m going to buy some Mumms and make a Mimosa this morning. And then run around in my underwear with the huge foam #1 finger. Nope, I don’t think they make that finger.
Say something nice. Ok, Nelson. We Believed for one year. Mahalo and Aloha. How do you say don’t let the door hit you in the rear end when you leave in Hawaiian?
"Go ahead. Make my day."
that isnt very smart.
They are making a mistake by giving a multiyear deal for smart now. And trust me smart is not better than nellie, he did a poor job while subbing for nellie.
by Indosf on Sep 23, 2010 6:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
it's no big deal
they could always buy him out later. I’m sure his contract won’t be anywhere near as big as Nellie’s.
I think you have to give a new coach a two-year deal.
Smart is inexpensive. A two-year deal for him is less expensive than a 1-year deal for a lot of other guys. It’s no big deal if we have to fire him.
+1
Don’t know how to feel about this one…
by JustSomeName on Sep 23, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember Nellie's bout with pneumonia last year?
I don’t remember the exact record with Smart at the helm, but it wasn’t good. I remember being ecstatic to have Nellie back.
The one year Smart was head coach (Cleveland), the team ended up with 17 wins. Smart is a player’s coach and a good assistant, but I think he lacks the confidence and crunch time decision-making ability necessary to be a successful head coach.
the team ended up with 17 wins
Have you seen that roster? I’d be surprised if Nellie could get 17 wins with that team…
by JustSomeName on Sep 23, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
=(
i’ll miss you nellie, you and your coors can
Goal: 8 seed!
by dso on Sep 23, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I have NO problem with this
Beans will be happier, as will Monta
Players respect Smart
Nellie would have been a lame duck coach
Smart will demand his players work hard and not sound like a hypocrite
Smart did not do to well when he subbed for Nellie – but I don’t think that is a good gage. He subbed at a time when we had our weakest roster last year. Plus, he was playing Nellie’s system which no one does better than nellie. Nobody on this site knows how smart might run a team, what sort of offensive and defensive system he will install. I think we should way until all star break to assess Smart as a coach. He’s paid his dues.
I am kinda happy but,
just because nellie isn’t coach don’t mean the player will magically start playing goood defense. It takes hard work and dedecation to play defense, hope smart does well in tha bay yeeeeeee boiii go warriors
Honestly, who will replace Nellies creativity in this league?
No one has even attempted to break away from the traditional ways of basketball besides Nellie. I think we may have seen the end of creativity in basketball as more and more keep up the “defense wins championships” slow it down style that doesn’t work unless you have a top 5 player on your team. As the 80-78 games continue to gain momentum, we will see bad basketball again like 1999-2006.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't worry too much on this one
Nellie is a creative genius as a coach – but in 100 years of coaching it never got him a ring. I think the Warriors are built for uptempo ball no matter who the coach is – this is going to be a fun team to watch this season – and maybe they will actually win more to.
Well i think coaches only win titles based on their teams talent.
Nellies one of the few to have his players actually play better under him. I’m certain if you gave Nellie any of Pat Riley’s showtime teams, Phil Jackson’s Bulls or Lakers, Doc’s Celtics (these guys are all still great coaches), or any of the Spur’s teams that won, he’d have a title.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not sure Nellie could have co-existed with those teams' stars.
Magic and Jordan were both players who got coaches fired because they didn’t like what the coach was doing.
Doc is an interesting name to bring up, because for most of his tenure with the Celts, I think most Celts fans would call him a terrible coach. He didn’t understand how to manage a player rotation, and he didn’t understand how to use his timeouts to control the pace of the game. I think he’s gotten a little better at that stuff over the years, but I wouldn’t call him a great coach.
Ultimately, the players matter more than the coach.
I think your last sentence shows you agree with me still.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Kind of.
I think Nellie might have gotten bumped off a more- talented team by a star player.
It has to be remembered that a lot of Nelson’s talent problems are his own fault. He’s driven off a lot of talent, and while none of it, obviously, was Michael-Jordan quality, it’s still never helps you to be forced into talent-losing trades because of your coach.
Nash and Nowitzki loved playing for Nellie
The start of his problems in Dallas was when Cuban got POd that Nelson protected Dirk from further injury against the Spurs, but I’m sure Dirk appreciates it.
I honestly don’t know whether the Mavs would have reached the finals if Nelson (and Nash) had stayed, but I do know this: There is NO WAY Nellie would have been outcoached by Riley in the Finals!
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Doc Rivers
He wasn’t a good coach until he got the Allen/Pierce/KG trio.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 25, 2010 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn, who's next after nellie?
is this the end of Tom Abdenour, too?
Riley said in his last interview with Ralph and Tom that as long as he is the general manager for the team it will be a uptempo system being played. If they wanted to stray from the run and gun they would not have smart as the head coach.
PLEASE KEEP run and gun system!
Slow ball=boring! Least watched championships involved the boring Spurs.
Meh
Winning ball = fun ball
The San Fransisco 49ers, where we got Dix, VD and Crabs!
by Badly Browned on Sep 23, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Doesn’t matter how fast or slow our offense is. As long as it translates into WINS
by JustSomeName on Sep 23, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Herein lies the issue.
Some people follow sports simply so they can substitute their team’s wins for their own fulfillment. Some people follow sports to appreciate the art form. The latter group also gains fulfillment when their chosen team wins, but primarily because it furthers the art form, since they chose their team to begin with based on its style of play (often represented by the coach).
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe for you
Game 7 of this year’s finals was not fun.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Game 7 of this year’s finals was not fun.
lol, if the Warriors had won the championship, it would have been fun.
Either you prefer entertaining basketball or you don't.
While I’ve never liked the arrogance that comes with the Lakers, their last Magic-lead title-team was the last time I can remember a team winning the championship with an exciting style.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Either you prefer entertaining basketball or you don’t.
Agree to disagree. I speak only for myself, but I’m pretty sure I enjoy the Warriors winning. How they win wouldn’t change that.
Agree to disagree.
Agreed. To each his own.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I find good basketball and entertaining basketball to be one and the same….
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too, but
I find the the type of basketball that won the championship this year to be neither.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
…how do you figure it wasn’t good basketball? I mean, it almost has to be by definition, since execution and just generally playing good basketball give you better results….unless you think the Lakers were just so much better than everyone else they could play crappy basketball and still win? I’m not seeing it.
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
kind of covered this in past replies and don't mean to belabor the point, so
I’ll just say that for me basketball’s been in somwhat of a dark age starting, I suppose, with Chuck Daly’s Pistons. I suppose I root for a “new age” even more than I root for one particular team out of localism. But, as you’ve already said, we all have our own views, and I certainly understand that I’m not in the majority. Never have been.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 25, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Game 7 of this year’s finals was not fun.
Artest enjoyed it.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
OHHH nooooooo...
Everyone!!!! did you all forgot that keith smart coached the cleveland cavs in the early 2000’s ?? He is the reason why the cavs got the 1st pick in the lottery when they got lebron james!!! he might of been a lucky charm for them but idk for us…. He got a big loosing record that year with the cavs… I don’t know if he is what the warriors need… I heard the he is a players coach, but wouldn’t players take advantage of that??? But im still hopeful that he can do something good for the warriors… i thought the new coach from the Nets would of been the perfect fit for the warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone agree?
Your point was addressed in this or another thread.
Smart only coached for half of the season in Cleveland. He actually had a better record as headcoach than the other guy. That team had no talent. It got LeBron because it was the worst team in the league, not because of Smart’s inability to coach.
Honestly, most headcoaches have very little effect on the team, at least during the regular season. A team with really good players will be really good and a team with bad players will be bad. Look at the Cavs last year as an example of the former and the Warriors last year as an example of the latter.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He succeeded in his role with the Cleveland Cavaliers. They lost and ended up with the #1 pick, Lebron James. If you don’t think that was the goal….well, I have some securitized housing loans from 2006 I’d like to sell you.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
And they ultimately lost Lebron to Miami
karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
by JustSomeName on Sep 24, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Better to have loved and lost…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 24, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Karma is not a bitch, by definition. Please utilize some other throwaway tag line. May I suggest the always insightful “nuff said?”
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Sep 25, 2010 2:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
this is awful. we lose.
Broscience investigator.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Sep 23, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions
Another thought just occurred to me
Who’s going to train Stephen Curry and his point guard skills? I don’t know exactly how many years Nellie coached Nash, but I got the impression it was a good number of years. I had thought Nellie would be a great to bring Curry along as a point guard in his 2nd year. Who’s going to teach Curry instead?
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 23, 2010 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I just saw a Mark Price rumor in a fanshot
shooting coach. Maybe they get him to work with Curry a little.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that's what Curry will have to work with
Hope that’s enough
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 23, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes! That would really get the Curry = Price comp going!
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Price needs to teach Curry how to win the 3 point shootout
I would have bet my house on Curry for it last year then he goes out and loses to Paul Pierce of all people
I'm a f***ing football manager!
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh, 3 point shootout is all luck. Everyone in it can shoot, just depends on who goes on a streak.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a big important point,
just that the best often seem to be the luckiest.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 25, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just pointing out that everyone in the contest is a good shooter (so small talent gaps), and there’s a lot of random variation in 25 shots…..
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I had confidence in Nellie to help Curry play to his full potential and mask his weaknesses (lack of speed and athleticism).
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
like steve nash
And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone
by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 23, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering Curry's best example of a player is Mark Price
We just got him to be consultant, and i’d think he’d be a great coach for Curry.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll just point out that Nash took a significant step forward once he left Dallas….
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
After leaving Dallas...
Nash dedicated himself to greater fitness like he never had before to prove Cuban wrong. Would he have ever done so had Cuban re-signed him? Don’t know. Just goes to show what legitimate resentment can do for ya.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Just so I can refer back to this when the pro-Nellie side goes wild as Smart turns out to be not that good…Smart is not that good.
One positive I take out of this
is that at least “a decision” has been made. I don’t know how well Smart will do, but it’s better to have a firm decision in place one way or another than to have the question mark of Nellie staying or going hanging over training camp.
Nellie was a lame duck
It’s better that he goes now rather than having another mediocre year with probably more players ending up alienated. (Not that we can’t have a mediocre year with Smart as well—but with less drama.)
@WorldBLee
One thing I am excited about is Brandon Wright getting playing time. I was worried Nellie would keep him benched… maybe I was just being paranoid. Anyway, we’ll see what Wright can do (and keep our fingers crossed that his shoulder is good).
If Smart doesn’t do well, we’ll get another lottery pick. Without the bad karma that was Cohan, we’re certain to get a good one.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
Anyone want to add this to the fanshot section on the side?
Marcus Thompson II: Is Smart the Right Call?
MT2 asks some very good questions about Keith Smart being the head coach:
But does Smart have the game-management skills? Does he have his Xs and Os tight enough? Can he keep a rapport with the guys while he’s the bad guy, and not the guy coming behind mean old Nellie? Can he avoid riding Monta Ellis into the ground 45 minutes a night?
We’ll find out starting Monday.
Worst thing
Would for the Warriors not only to be a mediocre team, but a boring mediocre team. Here’s to hoping Nellieball lives on for at least next season
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 23, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions
I'll miss Nellie
The only coach to bring the Warriors to the Playoffs in the last 20 years.
by Precise Films Productions on Sep 23, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions
Thank you, Don Nelson!
Doesn’t matter what the critics say, you’re still the architect of the WE BELIEVE season. And you deserve a thousand thank you’s. I will never forget the fact that once upon a time the GS Warriors prevailed against a number 1 seed team.
As far as I can tell, it seems like you going out didn’t create any huge drama and tension that I was expecting. Enjoy Hawaii!!
BUSY, BUSY, BUSY
Listening to the Don Nelson Show on KNBR (Razor and Mr. T) was the best thing about the Warriors.
Don Nelson had an elder perspective and was the last honest interview in sports.
Steph Curry is fun to watch, but this won’t be a competitive team. The only reason they were close to competitive the past 2 years is that Nellie knew how to match D-leaguers up against pros so that the D-leaguers stood a chance at keeping their head above water.
He is the only one who had the experience and strength of character to point our that Anthony Randolph was not developing into a starter. And to make it clear that Steph Curry is a better cornerstone than Monta Ellis. You look at his long track record and there has never been a player who did better after getting away from Nellie. (Steve Nash went on to be a bigger star in Phoenix, but Nellie didn’t want to lose him and Nellie is the one who coached him up into getting over the Brevin Knight or Brian Shaw plateaus.)
Good luck to Keith Smart. Hope he is as ready as Avery Johnson.
We weren’t a competitive team the last two years. We will be this year.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Competitive for what
10th place in the West? I guess we’ll be in the hunt for 8th but don’t actually see us getting there
I'm a f***ing football manager!
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure we have the 8th best team, but stuff like injuries happen – I don’t know what teams will underperform/get injured, just that it will happen, and so yes, we’ll probably be in close competition for the 8th seed or so. (Injuries/bad luck can happen to us, too, of course, it’s just more like to happen to a couple of the 8-9 teams in front of us)
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean "competitive in games"
Clearly not competitive in the standings. Nelson’s coaching gave scrubs a chance to win a ballgame. The GM/owner/trainer/team doctor/players are the ones who kept the Warriors from being competitive in the standings.
NELSON FOR GM
And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone
by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 23, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions
NELSON FOR GM
And Posey is having amother great game.
You're the worst Al Capone
by JohnnyDangerously on Sep 23, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Just as an NBA fan in general
Will miss you on the sidelines Nelson. Wish you good health and lots of luck out on those putting greens.
"Melo is waay better than Roy."~ J-Ridah
"I want to see how we play with D.Wright before we think about the melo trade ." ~ J-Ridah Part II
"I said that because even tho Melo is a good player we shouldnt give up key pieces to get him. In order to get him we’d have to give up Ellis,Udoh and probably wright just to rent him for a year. No player in the league is worth that much for 1 year. Not even Lebron." ~ J-Riday Part II: The Explanation
by wallywagon11 on Sep 23, 2010 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The burning question
Will NBA 2K11 be able to implement Smart as head coach before Oct. 5th?
2 guys walk into a bar... I don't remember the rest of the joke but your mom is a whore.
Probably not.
And thats not a bad thing. Nellies ranked hella high in that.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it sad that this is the first thing I thought after hearing the news?
I’m addicted to a game that isn’t even out yet.
by Spider Jerusalem on Sep 24, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I see a trend...
It looks like Jacob makes his decisions based on fan opinion, whether it’s taking Lin and firing Nellie, or keeping Riley on for the time being. Personally, I want an owner that takes into full consideration other views as he himself could make bad decisions, but when his moves totally correlate with what fans want, I’m a bit concerned. Fans, even the smart people at GSoM here, like the owner, can sometimes be wrong. I hope that Lacob is able to make moves that may be unpopular but are the best for the team.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Well, he still has Rowell and Riley aboard,
and supported the Lee trade, and those aren’t too popular amongst the “casual” fans.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 23, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope it's just a coincidence
Fans don’t study the entire game of basketball. They don’t know all the little details and nuances of the game and they don’t see the behind the scenes stuff when judging what’s good and what’s bad about someone. So making decisions based on fan opinion is not a good way to build a winning team.
Now, I can understand if Lacob was “aware” of fan opinion, and he gives it a small weight. For example, if 2 players are about equal otherwise, then I can see him factoring in fan opinion as a “tie breaking vote” on which player to get.
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 24, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL - Welcome to the "new" Warriors!
Yahoo says they’re negotiating a multi-year deal with Keith Smart.
Keith Smart. Keith Smart? Really?!!!!
My prediction = 25 wins max. I think he’ll be outcoached by almost every coach in the NBA.
The “new” Warriors are just like the “old” Warriors.
Rumor has it that the new owners may be borrowing heavily to do the purchase and may not be able to spend much money in improving the team itself. I hope those rumors are wrong. Otherwise, we’ll be looking back at the Cohan era wistfully – and will miss the good old days! :)
The "new" Warriors are just like the "old" Warriors.
Except with a lot more talent and a legitimate rebounding team. But yeah, same thing (sarcasm)….
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
25 is too low
35-38 sounds about right, barring massive injuries like last year. We’re more diverse on the offensive end this year with an added pick and roll option in DLee. Can’t stress how important it is that we finally have a big man who can catch and finish. Big time upgrade.
I'm a f***ing football manager!
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, barring last years injury situation, we were a 35+ win team last year. We’re significantly improved this year from last years team.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to guage how effective we could have been last year
If the injuries hadn’t have occured, you could argue that Curry wouldn’t have developed as quickly because he wouldn’t have been thrust into the spotlight so early on, Reggie would have only gotten spot PT and wouldn’t have flourished, etc. 38-40 wins is as high as I’m willing to go, because I can’t see this version of the Warriors being a winning team.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, if injuries had not occurred
Reggie Williams would not have existed on our roster. He was our last injury callup from the D League.
by IQofaWarrior on Sep 24, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, the main injuries were to our front line, though. Having a healthy Biedrins, Wright, Turiaf and Randolph wouldn’t have really gotten in the way of the good wing play we got, but it would have helped enormously defensively and most importantly, in rebounding, where we were basically the worst rebounding team ever….
And it wasn’t just that those guys were hurt, it’s that they all went down at the same time.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Heck, even with all the injuries, we still had the point differential of a 32 win team, suggesting to me we were unlucky to finish as low as we did.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Blowing as many games in the final 2 minutes as we did does not strike me as bad luck. Rather, it’s inexperienced players unable to execute for a coach that was always better with veterans.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Sep 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe. I’m honestly not sure how to differentiate between the two.
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point. May be I’ll go with 30 wins.
IMO, coaching is very important in the NBA. While Nellie seemed mentally checked out, he’s still a way better coach than Keith Smart. Keith will be outcoached by almost every coach in the NBA.
by keyser_sozey on Sep 24, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO, coaching is very important in the NBA.
It’s definitely less important than in the NFL.
Generally, good players will win games, especially if you have a lot of high character guys, which the Warriors do. It’s really only necessary to have a great coach if you have a lot of guys that are hard to deal with, like Melo and JR Smith.
Also- I’m not sure how good Nellie has been for a couple years. His rotations have been weird to say the least.
The Cavs could win 65 games with Mike Brown. I think the Warriors can win way more than 30 with Keith Smart. They’re just so much more talented than they were last year.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Smart is nowhere close to Brown as a coach. Brown coached a team with Lebron and a sack of potatoes to the NBA Finals.
But I don’t want to ruin your hopes for a great Warriors season – hope is a good thing! I hope your prediction for wins is more correct than mine, but 30 is too many for this team and coach.
You say coach is not important in the NBA. Every championship in recent memory was won by a team coached by a hall-of-fame level coach. So, data says otherwise.
by keyser_sozey on Sep 24, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a reason Mike Brown was fired after last season
but 30 is too many for this team and coach.
A team that won 25 games last year that added an all star power forward, is getting its center back, is getting a full season out of its stud PG and filled out talent at every other position is going to only add 5 games? That’s really dumb.
Now, I don’t know how good Smart will be. What I do know is that your prediction would require him to not only be bad, but be really really awful. Worse than Nellie was last year. And don’t kid yourself- Nellie hasn’t been any good for a couple years.
Every championship in recent memory was won by a team coached by a hall-of-fame level coach. So, data says otherwise.
Data actually disagrees with you. There are like 3 or 4 coaches that are still in the NBA that actually positively effect the performance of their players. The rest are effectively interchangeable. When Nellie was younger, he was on that list. In the last few years, he wasn’t. Others include Poppovich and Phil Jackson.
Basically, as long as we aren’t getting Phil Jackson or Greg Poppovich, it doesn’t really matter.
For most teams, the effect of a good or bad coach is +/- a couple wins.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In the last few years, he wasn’t.
Is there data on this? This is the only argument I’ve heard so far that sounds like it isn’t entirely dependent on personal observation subject to prejudice.
What I like much more than being right is understanding the facts.
play like a 1 man guy
by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 25, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Every championship in recent memory was won by a team coached by a hall-of-fame level coach. So, data says otherwise.
Doc Rivers is hall-of-fame level? I’m sure he’d be happy to hear that.
On the other hand, every championship has been won by a team coached by someone who has coached his team to at least one championship. So your “data” has that going for it…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2010 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
When he was running Nellie's system?
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
What, specifically?
Everyone has an opinion. As you’re new here, yours is worth very little unless you can support it with something resembling an argument.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2010 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions
No playoffs this year
Nellie was a high risk/high reward coach. Sometimes he would make maddening decisions, but he was one of the best in the league at capitalizing on what available talent he had. The only guys who I think do more with less are Sloan and Brown, and they are currently employed, and have HOF memberships.
I don’t like plugging in Smart. He’s got interim written all over him. If we are looking for a real coach, I’d like to see Bzdelik get another NBA gig. His NBA record includes the Nuggets chase for Lebron season, which makes it look worse than he deserves. He’s very hardworking and accountable, and has been successful at all of his stops so far.
by Uwe Blog on Sep 24, 2010 12:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wish there was an "Extremely, Extremely Pleased!" option on the vote.
Apologies to all of the Don Nelson apologists, but Don Nelson should have been gone long ago.
I voted "Other": Philisophical
This is probably the best move they could have made. Since they turned over most of the roster, it makes sense to start now with someone who is going to be here beyond this year. If Riley and Lacob (and I weigh those opinions (90%/10% in Riley’s favor) believe that Smart has both the ability to coach the Xs & Os as well as control the locker room, then it makes tons of sense to pull the trigger now.
Even if it costs the team a few wins in 2010-11, if it gives us the young coach of the future, then I’m all for it. Shortsightedly, I wanted to win as much as possible next year with Don Nelson who has demonstrated a knack for not only getting mediocre teams into the playoffs, but surprising a higher seed. But this may be better for us all in the long run.
Two notes:
1. Those of you who are upset about the Keith Smart sigining should bear in mind the small detail that you have absolutely no idea what kind of head coach Keith Smart will be. Keith Smart took over last year when Mikki Moore and AR were the only bigs not named Vlad on the roster. He was coaching a junk heap. Let’s give him a chance to prove himself with a full roster and a training camp all his own. I have my reservations about him but I enjoy his interviews and I always learn something about why the coaching staff did what it did. My doubts about him maybe unfounded, and are entirely based on what I am reading into his personality so I will keep them to myself. He is certainly intellectually and technically up to the task so I hope I am wrong about the other thing.
2. Don Nelson always wins in the end. Nellie always gets his doesn’t he? As he did in Dallas, Don Nelson leaves a team in far better shape than he found it, with a member of his inner circle installed as the GM, with his handpicked successor hired as the head coach and a boatload of the owner’s money in his pocket. Scoreboard.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 24, 2010 3:14 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Should be: Philosophical
But perhaps I am underrating the wisdom of misspelled she-horses.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 24, 2010 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Shortsightedly, I wanted to win as much as possible next year with Don Nelson who has demonstrated a knack for not only getting mediocre teams into the playoffs, but surprising a higher seed. But this may be better for us all in the long run.
Winning more games with nellie woulda been better in the short and long run, there’s always next year to start with a new coach. We already had enough change with the second choice new owner and the loss of half our team, we don’t need to add the handicap of a worse coach..
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, but all I'm saying is that I see the wisdom in ths move regardless of what I want.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 25, 2010 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, but all I'm saying is that I see the wisdom in this move regardless of what I want.
Haha, what you want don’t matter? Hey I’d trust myself over the warriors management’s history of good choices.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
2. Don Nelson always wins in the end. Nellie always gets his doesn’t he? As he did in Dallas, Don Nelson leaves a team in far better shape than he found it, with a member of his inner circle installed as the GM, with his handpicked successor hired as the head coach and a boatload of the owner’s money in his pocket. Scoreboard.
I was thinking this same thing this morning. He always walks away with his friends taken care of and money in his pocket.
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by olympicmike on Sep 24, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
This alone should put him in the hall of fame
haha, just kidding…maybe not
by JustSomeName on Sep 24, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The Hustler Hall of Fame
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 24, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe this was Lacob’s plan from the beginning, he just didn’t have the opportunity to do it until now when all the players and staff come into town for training camp; a face to face was probably what he wanted with Nellie.
Don Nelson has too much baggage to allow Lacob’s 1st year as GSW owner to be soured by any potential drama. I understand that and appreciate that. Lacob can control the likes of Rowell and Riley since they’re in the front office but he can’t control what’s on the court or in the locker room. Although I naively felt Don Nelson would have a successful year with this new team, I can’t complain with this move. His time has been up for quite some time. He’s been grooming Keith Smart for this moment for two years now, maybe more.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge Keith Smart yet. His tenure with the Cavs was as interim coach and that team was horrible. The games he coached while Nellie was sick is a wash, IMO, since he still had the same (bad) pieces to work with…let’s face it, last year’s team was bad on paper as it was on the court. His rotations were pretty similar to Nellie’s and maybe worse (Sorry AO, I don’t recall him going “big” for any long stretches) and subsequently went 1-4. It might have been that he was just taking instructions or he didn’t want to do anything “radical” like playing a traditional lineup because it might have been blatantly disrespectful to Nellie. Either way, he got the gig now.
When I listen to Smart talk, I see a lot of Larry Riley in him. Very honest and likable. The players gush over him too, including CJ Watson, Pietrus, et al. All those guys love him. I can’t confidently say that about Nellie. I think everyone respected Nellie but I don’t know if they all liked him (I think Steph Curry liked him though). My initial concern with Smart is his x’s and o’s knowledge as Nellie is renown for being a wizard in that category, but the more I think about it I’m not too worried. He’s been under Nellie for 6 years…I think he gets the gist of his playbook and the way he calls plays in critical moments. The more important thing is, will Smart emphasize defense? I’m certain that they’ll still be a run-n-gun offense, but how will he implement a better defensive scheme and how much is he willing to sacrifice on offense to do so?
I’m curious as to why Lacob is working on a multi-year deal with Smart since he hasn’t proven anything yet and since we’re headed for a lockout. But, I think it’s probably because Lacob has confidence in him and also he doesn’t want his head coach to be in lame duck status from the beginning (I got the last part from Geoff Lepper via Twitter).
Next Monday’s media day should be very interesting.
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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 24, 2010 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Re: I’m curious as to why Lacob is working on a multi-year deal with Smart
Assuming Smart can be had for say 3 years, 1.5m or something in that neighborhood, the risk is very low.
On the other hand . . .
If they sign him for one year and he gets int the playoffs, they’re going to owe him more and he’ll be instantly on many team’s radar as the next hot young coach.
Also, it gives him needed credibility in the locker room. If thereis a conflict, how is he going to assert his will over guys like Monta, Lee, Curry or even Dorrell Wright if they know they can blow him off for one year and be rid of him. At least a multi-year deal signals that this is the guy the franchise is investing in.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 24, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess...
I don’t actually think that Lacob and co. are sold on Smart as “their guy” but thanks to the awkward timing of the purchase of the team their hand was kind of forced here. They can’t really actively be out hunting for a GM and coach when they don’t even own the team. What they can do is come to a (mostly) friendly understanding with the existing regime that it would be better for the new ownership’s image if Nelson collected his paychecks in Maui instead of on the sideline. Once they came to the conclusion that Nelson was gone it makes a ton of sense to keep Smart on as the head coach given the timing and the limitations on the new ownership.
Also, it gives him needed credibility in the locker room. If thereis a conflict, how is he going to assert his will over guys like Monta, Lee, Curry or even Dorrell Wright if they know they can blow him off for one year and be rid of him. At least a multi-year deal signals that this is the guy the franchise is investing in.
This is a great point. I’d also add the the promotion to head coach should come with a bump in pay anyway, and it makes more sense for everyone to spread that bump in pay over the course a multiple seasons even if you don’t intend to keep him around for all those years. I wouldn’t be surprised by a very reasonable three year extension for Smart, and a new coach after the lockout.
Of course if Smart impresses early (which I think he has the opportunity to do with low expectations and an improved and mostly healthy roster) he may stick around or even receive a more lucrative extension after a year or two. I’m happy for the guy. This should be a chance for him to get his foot back in the door as a head coach and hopefully stick around the league in that capacity. By all accounts he’s a very cool guy that deserves all the good things that could come to him.
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What they can do is come to a (mostly) friendly understanding with the existing regime that it would be better for the new ownership’s image if Nelson collected his paychecks in Maui instead of on the sideline
Why would they think ditching a hall of fame coach on his last season contract for his assistant would be good PR?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Check out the poll results, Skep…
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 24, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Check out the poll results, Skep…
and check out the age of the voters, I’m talking about real fans not teenage fanboys and chum-chums.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha. It would be interesting to see the poll results broken down by age. It’s probably immaterial, though, since “teenage fanboys and chum-chums” buy tickets and gear and watch TV, too.
I don’t think this was primarily a “PR move” to begin with, but to the extent that it was it was pretty clearly a wise one.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2010 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Nellie was leaving next year anyway
We should be celebrating his last season with a playoff run instead of watching smart learn the ropes.
Now if Nellie didn’t really want to coach one more year then it’s a different story but if he did it’s bad basketball karma to dis respect the old mad scientist on the eve of his retirement season.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again you’re confusing your personal opinion on an issue with right and wrong.
The overwhelming majority who think this was the right decision double-jinx your bad karma into good karma.
Too bad karma doesn’t exist… ;-P
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2010 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, good points bsd and om
I figure the $ amount is di minimus anyway. I am hoping that Smart follows in the similar footsteps of Popovich and Avery Johnson.
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by Doctor Kajita on Sep 24, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t actually think that Lacob and co. are sold on Smart as "their guy" but thanks to the awkward timing of the purchase of the team their hand was kind of forced here.
Good point. That’s at least as likely, as what I laid out. If you look at the “hot young coaching prospects” around the league, Smart should be up there at the top. They might just want to see what they have already in addition to the fact that there’s really nobody else out there.
All-in-all, I think it’s confluence of circumstances that brought us to this point and we should all give Smart the benefit of the doubt until he has at least half a season with a full roster to prove himself. We lack the data to judge the decision at this point. To that end, I think the Kith Smart discussion could be stapled on to the whole “separating the results form the decision-making process” discussion that is going on in other threads.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 25, 2010 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
All-in-all, I think it’s confluence of circumstances that brought us to this point and we should all give Smart the benefit of the doubt until he has at least half a season with a full roster to prove himself.
I agree with this completely. I’m looking forward to seeing what Smart can do with this team. I’ve always liked him for some reason and I’d love to see him succeed here. Sure, he didn’t look great in his time filling in for Nelson, but I’m not going to hold that against him because that was a difficult situation to be in and may not represent his actual coaching at all. Even if he doesn’t wind up being head coach material I still don’t have a problem with the move given the circumstances. I’m definitely pulling for the guy.
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by olympicmike on Sep 25, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
This year = “rebuilding”
Next year = lockout/strike
Two years from now= Warriors make their real playoff move with longterm coach in place
by WestCoastWarrior on Sep 24, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions
Two years from now= Warriors make their real playoff move with longterm coach in place
but won’t Curry be signed by his real team that year?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
haha, yea with us...
You really think Curry wants out of DubsLand that bad?
by WestCoastWarrior on Sep 24, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You really think Curry wants out of DubsLand that bad?
It’s just pessimism from being a warriors fan for the past 15+ years…
by JustSomeName on Sep 24, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You really think Curry wants out of DubsLand that bad?
I’m thinking he’ll wanna go to the NYK ’s and play with Rudolf and Morrow.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I rather have that bust, Brandan Wright out of here.
that dood was a waste of a draft pick. lol
How exactly does this astute observation relate to the discussion? Are you lost?
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
How exactly does this astute observation relate to the discussion?
It always comes back to JRich :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 25, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandan Wright was a bust and a waste of a draft pick? How do you figure? I suppose we probably would have been better off picking Noah from a basketball perspective, but he’s the only guy that was available that was worth picking, and heck, you’d have to see his ugly face every game. Nobody wants that. Wright is actually good when he plays, he’s just been injured – which was just unfortunate and out of anyone’s control.
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
remember we had that extra 10 millions too.
and we didnt uses it either.That was the only thing I like about that trade. Got extra money to use on free agent, but in the end we let goes to waste.
Yes, that seemed like a bad move to let the trade exception expire, but the point is there’s nothing wrong with Wright. Dude can play, we got him for cheap, he fit the team, AND he filled a position of need. That he got hurt was unfortunate but just as likely to happen to whoever we had. On the other hand, JRich was overpaid, we already had a replacement ready to take his place (Monta, who took his place well), and he played a position we were overloaded with…..
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I Hate to Break it to You....
I have been a Warriors fan since the early 70’s back when it was impossible to see games on tv… listening to Bill King.
The warriors will hopefully do well with Keith Smart.
The loss of Don Nelson is huge. All the haters need to only look back at the horrible coaching we have had and realize Don Neson was the only coach to do anything with this franchise in the last 20 years.
Love him or hate him he has always done it his way. I will miss him.
The last 2 injury riddled seasons can’t really be all his fault. Or the fact the that fat looser Baron Davis bailed. By the way Baron is a shell of what he could be collecting checks with the Clips.
Please give the man his due…. he knows a hell of a lot more about basketball then any of you will ever know…
SERIOUSLY this is a big loss….
Thank you Nellie for prividing me with some of the few great GSW moments…
by samiam2112 on Sep 24, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Mixed thoughts. Like the idea of Nellie going, but it would have been fun to see what he could do with the real talent we have now, and I think we’re taking a step down in coaching. I’m not a fan of Smart. But there are good reasons we might not want Nellie here for a year. Sooooo…..mixed.
Don Nelson get's too much of the blame....
WTF – From we beleive to Get the hell out….
by samiam2112 on Sep 24, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel some of the fans here would take Adlemen back....
THATS WHO KILLED THIS FRANCHISE PEOPLE not Nellie …….Twerdzik and Adleman yeah absolutely hosed it…. Gary St. Jean nice guy but helped to kill it too….
Monty sure didn't help
Neither did some of Chris Mullin’s boneheaded contracts (Adonal Foyle anybody?) Notice how I omit Musselman from this list, he took the Warriors from god-awful to just well-below average. BRING HIM BACK!!
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by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
ok wth is going on? This is what I actually just wrote:
Nellie is one guy whom I think deserves a better send off than he’s getting here.
Winningest coach of all time and he’s a Warrior!
“Don’t let the door hit you on the way out you putz”
I’ll miss you Nellie. Enjoy your retirement in Hawaii. You deserved it.
Does this software hate Nellie? Or some weird formatting thing?
by cybermaldonado on Sep 24, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a similar issue earlier. Maybe it’s messing up with quotation marks or something.
by Missing Barry on Sep 24, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
With Nellie retired, this needs to happen . . .
Lacob & Guber did the right thing by letting Nelson go. They need to offer Keith Smart a 1-year offer and see who’s available next year. The new owners promised change, this is what needs to happen moving forward.
1. Trade Monta Ellis, Andris Biedriņš, and Brandan Wright for Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith. The salary cap numbers works for both teams, each squad gets players all under the age of 26. The Nuggets get to rebuild with promising players and the Warriors get their superstar to team with Stephen Curry and David Lee.
2. Pat Riley will step down and coach the Miami Heat by mid-season. Just like he did in 2006, he got itchy and pushed Stan Van Gundy aside. With that said, Erik Spoelstra is the ideal coach to lead the Warriors into the new decade. He’s young and knows how to work with a superstar guard aka Stephen Curry.
3. Fire Robert Rowell and Larry Riley (all Cohan/Nelson men) and hire current Raptors President/GM Bryan Colangelo to fill both front office positions. Colangelo’s contract expires at the end of this year. He was known for his 15-year tenure with the Suns when he built the team around Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, and Amar’e Stoudemire. He was Executive of the Year with the Suns in 2005 and 2007 with the Raptors. Colangelo can identify talent and knows how to work the books.
4. Move the team to downtown San Francisco and build a new arena next to AT&T Park. This would generate a stronger fan base, attract better free agents, and solidify the franchise as a key sports figure due to the size and status of the Bay Area as a top metro location in the world.
. Trade Monta Ellis, Andris Biedriņš, and Brandan Wright for Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith.
Pass. ‘Melo isn’t worth the money he is going to get and J.R. Smith has an attitude problem.
This would generate a stronger fan base
The Warriors have arguably the best fans in the league, how much stronger can it get?
This would generate a stronger fan base?
you are not familiar with the demographics of the bay area apparently? If a fight breaks out my money would be on the gangstas of oaktown over the yuppies of SF.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Trade Monta Ellis, Andris Biedriņš, and Brandan Wright for Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith.
No thanks, I’m not interested in deals that make our team worse…
by Missing Barry on Sep 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This just in:
Pat Riley in discussions with Don Nelson regarding Nelson coaching the small-ball Miami Heat.
Said Riley:
The only thing missing from Nellie’s resume is a championship. He’ll get one here and it will be fun to watch.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Nellie get to keep Lacob's money
plus get the ring?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure
after a well-publicized court battle.
Lacob will argue that Nellie used what he learned in there face-to-face meeting to defeat the Celtics in the ECFs.
by geraldmcgrew on Sep 24, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nellie rocks!
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
na na na
na na na!!!! hey he, hey, good bye!!! lol
You left out two "na"s and added a superfluous “he.” lol.
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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 25, 2010 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions
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