Elite Idea
by cecild on Sep 23, 2010 11:39 PM PDT
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First off i would just like to thank Don Nelson for all his great years with the WARRIORS!
Moving on now. Lets welcome Keith Smart as our new head coach. At least he will be for this season!!
I titled this post elite idea because i think the warriors can be a dominate team in the WEST next year.
2011-2012 GSW TEAM:
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: David Lee
C: Ronny Turiaf
GSW TRADES WITH DENVER:
GSW GETS:
Carmelo Anthony + J.R. Smith
Denver GETS:
Andries Biedrins + Reggie Williams + Brandon Wright + two expiring contracts in Vlad R. and Charlie Bell and possibly a pick or cash!
iT WORKS: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
I love this trade because one we get carmelo + we get to keep Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry together which equals a dominate backcourt something like the wizards will have this year with John Wall and Gilbert Arenas. I dont know why everyone is so quick to trade Monta Ellis, but we need to step back and think do we really want him scoring 40 a night on us if we give up on him? Do we really want to continue the Cohan era by being cheap and giving our best players up? I dont want to go to in depth on this Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry topic, but they are played to be basketball players, sometihng both are very good at. They both made amends this summer, Ellis had a long summer thinking about all his immature comments and mistakes and is finally ready to prove he is ready to be a leader, not to mention curry is coming off an explosive rookie year and winning a gold medal with the USA TEAM! I feel and know these two players can work together i know they can. Just watch!
Going back to this elite idea. 1st we pull off this trade. Denever will be getting a good center in andris who can get double doubles. Reggie Williams is the point/forward that gsw has ben looking for but i feel they can give up and denver would like this. Not to mention they would be getting wright who can pair up with andris and two expiring contracts in vlad r. and charlie bell and a pick or cash if we have any.
The warriors would do this because we get to rent carmelo for a year and show him how good of a team we could be if he were here + J.R. smith would be feeling reggie williams spot and he can play for 6th man of the year.
The warriors need to keep Curry, Ellis, Lee, d. wright, udoh, amundson, lin going into these next two seasons and lets just say the trade does go through; add melo and smith. The warriors would have 9 players forsure.
Lets look at next years free agents that we possibly can get or would want to sign:
- Cartier Martin (G/SF) **
- Josh Howard (F) **
- Carl Landry (F/C) *
- Jason Richardson (G/F) *
- Michael Pietrus (F) **
- Nick Collison (F/C) *
- Ronny Turiaf (F/C) ***
- Kelenna Azubukie (G/F) **
- David West (PF) *
- Troy Murphy (PF) *
- Chuck Hayes (F) **
- Shane Battier (F) *
- Leon Powe (PF) ***
- Tayshawn Prince (F) **
- Yao Ming (C) **
*** Really would sign with us.
** Possibly would sign
* Just another option
- Cartier Martin (G/SF) ** (Might resign with us)
- Josh Howard (F) ** (He may consider, but would this be good for our young team, hes like an Allen Iverson in training. bad attitude and bad vibe to his name and is beginning to loose his game)
Carl Landry(F/C) * ( I feel like he will get resigned)Jason Richardson(G/F) * (Personally i would love to have J rich back in the bay, but i feel like hes still a starter and wont want that back up roll yet. Not to mention Monta Ellis kinda took his spot.)- Michael Pietrus (F) ** (I wouldlike air france back in the bay but i feel he will do better on another team.)
Nick Collison(F/C) * ( will get resigned)- Ronny Turiaf (F/C) *** ( I feel as if we should bring turiaf back to the bay because he was a fan favorite. Plus how can you turn down a starting job!!!!)
Kelenna Azubukie(G/F) ** (I feel many ppl might want this guy but his heart is still in the bay, but if we have MELO, then he may consider coming somewhere he knows he will always be a back up player only)David West(PF) * (He could help us, but i feel he wont be cool with the whole going from sf, pf, to center style of play if keith smart decides to do that, plus he would have lee in front of him.)Troy Murphy(PF) * ( just dont see him coming back here)Chuck Hayes(F) ** (tuff call he may or he may not)- Shane Battier (F) * ( same deal as pietrus and azubukie, i dont see him taking a backup roll to melo, but maybe he will because he understands what it takes to win, so id change his to **)
- Leon Powe (PF) *** (BAY AREA NATIVE, so he would always be welcome to coming to play in front of his hometown fans)
- Tayshawn Prince (F) ** ( We have been intrested in this guy for a long time, and i feel he understands what it takes to win, and would be a good guy in the locker room, and would provide that good spark off the bench. He would really consider coming here only if he sees we are going places not if he sees himself starting. He kinda would be like a jermaine oneal or a lamar odom to our team.
Yao Ming(c) ** ( i feel he would come here only because the fan base and lin and if we were to get rid of biedrins. Im unsure if he would want to back up turiaf or start over him, but he would be a good pick up for a few mins, but he wouldnt be able to run up tempo!!)
That leaves me with 6 players:
- Cartier Martin
- Josh Howard
- Ronny Turiaf
- Shane Battier
- Leon Powe
- Tayshawn Prince
Coach: Keith Smart
Roster:
- Stephen Curry
- Monta Ellis
- Carmelo Anthony
- David Lee
- Jeremy Lin
- Ekpe Udoh
- J.R. Smith
- Dorell Wright
- Louis Amunson
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Lets start off:
Ronny Turiaf: He is a fan favorite here and he would be crazy to turn down a starting job at center for us. So i feel he would be a lock in terms of us signing him next off season.
Tayshawn Prince: I feel he would sign with us just because he sees that we are headed in the right direction, and only because his shot at winning a ring with LA, Boston, or Miami are shot because they all have there teams set for now, so why not come here while we are on fire ( with getting new owners, new uniforms, new players, and possibly a new winning record)
Leon Powe: He hasnt really proved anything yet, mainly because he was injured all last season, but when he played i think it was for boston, the kid could play, also he is a bay area native, so im sure he would be wiling to accept a back up roll and provide us with some good minutes.
Shane Battier: I feel he would be good player in the locker room and would just give our team a certain swag we need in order to go deep into the playoffs. Not to mention, i dont think Curry is going to be affraid in the playoffs, but i do think he will have his times when he hits the wall he missed last season, so it would be good to let him rest up and possibly go with a bigger lineup with Ellis running the point and letting battier coming in and possibly putting a hand in durants face or even kobes??
Josh Howard, Cartier Martin, M. Pietrus, Kelenna Azubukie: If they were to sign with our team, all would be good players to have for depth, but im not sure they would all be willing to ride the bench all season nor do i feel they deserve to. Rodney Carney and Dorell Wright will do just fine.
When its all said in done, we would have a team with good solid big men, which would solve our rebounding problems from the starting position, all the way to the not startiing position. We would have more then 1 or 2 big men, and more like 5 big men. We would have a solid back court and if there are times when curry or ellis are injured or in a slump, we have a spicy rookie in LIN who wants to prove himself, or we have solid players in carney and smith who i trust more then a bunch of d league call ups. Finally our Forward position would be filled with an all star in carmelo and a few players who wouldnt mind backing up him or playing the little minutes because they know what it will take to get that ring.
2011-2012 Final Coach + Roster:
Coach: Keith Smart
Roster:
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: David Lee
C: Ronny Turiaf
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Bench:
Jeremy Lin
Rodney Carney
J.R. Smith
Dorell Wright
Shane Battier
TayShawn Prince
Leon Powe
Ekpe Udoh
we would have 1 spot left and i think we can go with Chris Hunter for a few more years as a big guy to develop.
In conclusion, i like this idea, because; 1). we would have a solid starting five. 2). Our lineup would be more like cingular raising the bar rather then 4 small guards and one big guy. 3). Although we may have our small backcourt and we might get abused sometimes because of it, we can abuse right back because we have so many options in Monta 1 on 1 with his speed, Carmelo with his all star caliber, david lee with his all star caliber, curry with a outside shot, and turiaf setting pick and rolls all day with curry not to mention he may be open all the time because of all the attention ellis, curry, lee, and lets not forget melo all the attention they would be attracting. Our bench would be deep, we could actually have two solid backup (PF's) and (C's) coming off the bench in leon powe, udoh, louis amundson, tayshawn prince, and even chris hunter! We would be a scoring team and not to mention we would have some defensive aspects to our team having dorell wright, carmelo, and tayshawn prince, and amundson, and lets not forget udoh!
Anyway i would like to thank you for your time, and i really hope you enojoyed this wonderful idea, and i really think the WARRIORS FRONT OFFICE SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS IF THEY HAPPEN TO READ THIS!! WE WOULD BE DEEPER THEN THE LAKERS MIAMI HEAT and BOSTON CELTICS! WE would have so many different identitys that teams would be more shocked then our WE BELIEVE SEASON a few years back. :)
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Ronny Turiaf is a very bad starting center
why would you want Carmelo and Monta on the same team?
Monta is a really bad defender. Carmelo is mediocre at best. They’re both scorers, but Monta needs someone setting him up to be effective. Unfortunately, Melo is a bigger black hole than Corey Maggette. It would actually be better for us to trade Monta than Biedrins. Trade one high usage scorer for another.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 23, 2010 11:57 PM PDT reply actions
because..
Ronny turiaf did a good enough job for us last yr. and having him as a last option after curry, ellis, melo, and lee works for me. i understand if he were the 2nd best option but in this case he could use his skills to his best and full potential blocking shots and reboudning the ball for us. also carmelo and ellis would basically be like us having a big three adding lee in there. so we could be considered an elite team just like LA lakers, Miami heat, and boston celtics, and not to mention we would have curry something miami doesnt have a good pg, and Lakers pg fisher is getting old so yeah that just leaves boston. Id pass on that trade. Monta was hurt for a year and came back and continued to progress when many thought he would fall off. not to mention we got the kid in the 2nd round! Also biedrins has been injured and if denver really wants him and we can get melo in return id pull that trade anyday. we could use that money to get shane battier next season if melo decides to walk off. Like we can do many things if we got rid of biedrins or ellis, but i rather get rid of biedrins at this moment. he has been mia this summer and so has motna, but i understand why, he got married, and look whos leading the team already?? Monta no site of biedrins.
Ronny turiaf did a good enough job for us last yr
No he didn’t.
Monta was hurt for a year and came back and continued to progress when many thought he would fall off.
Last year, Monta was awful.
I’m really having trouble reading what you’re saying. Your grammar and punctuation actually make it really difficult.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
and having him as a last option after curry, ellis, melo, and lee works for me.
This is another issue- you don’t need 4 offensive options in the starting lineup. That’s too much offense. You need Monta or Melo. With both, you take too many shots away from Curry and Lee. Heck, Melo would probably take too many shots away from both of them. It also makes our defense even more awful.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
REV
it was an idea!!! i would be more then happy not to have melo on that dominate team, but what i am looking for is for our ownership to stop playing with our emotions. The media is playing with your head and everyone elses who wants ellis gone because of curry. I agree the kid has game, but if you really think curry is better then ellis then shott yourself in the foot. Ellis has game, and we have a dominate backcourt, something many teams would die for.
Back to melo, id be happy to have him on our team, but im looking at the bigger picture here. im more concerned with progressing and getting better depth!
We have 20Mil coming off the cap next season for free agents.
We need a legit big man whether we trade Biedrins or not.
Yao Ming 7’6
Tim Duncan 7’0 ETO
Al Horford 6’10
Marc Gasol 7’1 RFA
Nene Hilario 6’10 ETO
Joakim Noah 6’11 RFA
Greg Oden 7’0 RFA
Samuel Dalembert 6’11
Kendrick Perkins 6’10
Joel Pryzbilla 7’0
Tyson Chandler 7’0
Nazr Mohammed 6’10
Rony Turiaf 6’10 PO
Chuck Hayes 6’6
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 7’3 PO
Theo Ratliff 6’9
Juwan Howard 6’10
Darius Songaila 6’9
DeAndre Jordan 6’11 RFA
Jeff Foster 6’11
Aaron Gray 7’0 PO
Glen Davis 6’10
Ryan Hollins 7’0 PO
Chris Wilcox 6’10
Solomon Jones 6’10
Dan Gadzurich 6’11
Jamaal Magloire 6’11
Shelden Williams 6’9
Hammed Haddadi 7’2 RFA
Dwayne Jones 6’10
Eddy Curry 7’0
Darnell Jackson 6’9 RFA
Hilton Armstrong 7’0
I think this would be a good list of free agents to look at
it was an idea!!!
I realize. It was a bad idea. You posted it, so I commented on it. Duh.
The media is playing with your head and everyone elses who wants ellis gone because of curry.
What? I think Curry is better than Ellis because he’s a better shooter, more efficient scorer, better passer, better position rebounder and probably a better defender. He just provides so much more. He actually has the size to play his natural position.
I don’t mind keeping Ellis for another year or two. I would like to see his value come up a little before trying to make a trade. Right now, he’s worth 1 OJ Mayo and 1 Hasheem Thabeet. That’s not very good. The reason I think he isn’t a long term solution at the 2 is because I don’t see him ever becoming even an adequate defender. He totally lacks the physical tools to do it.
I agree the kid has game, but if you really think curry is better then ellis then shott yourself in the foot.
If you think Ellis is better than Curry, you’re insane.
Ellis has game, and we have a dominate backcourt, something many teams would die for.
To be dominant, you have to win. You also need to have your top scorer have an offensive rating above 99.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Ellis and Melo...
Might actually not be as bad as it looks at first glance.
Firstly, with Melo on the offensive end, it would probably take a lot of pressure off of Ellis to creat his own shot (also known as driving, crazy-ass layup through 3 or 4 opposing players)
Secondly, we could use some other lineups with Reggie Williams and DWright bringing some D
Third, this is possibly the worst trade machine idea I have ever seen
Who plays center for us in this scenario?? And are you suggesting that we call “takesies-backsies” to get Turiaf
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 30, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
it would probably take a lot of pressure off of Ellis to creat his own shot (also known as driving, crazy-ass layup through 3 or 4 opposing players)
The problem with that is that Melo doesn’t create for teammates and he would probably have the ball most of the time.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
you are just rambling..
none of this makes any sense sorry.. no way denver does that garbage trade.
WOAH there buddy. Take it easy.
First off your proposed trade for Carmelo won’t happen. Nuggets won’t trade Melo to the Warriors unless we include Curry and draft picks. Warriors wont let go of Curry and dont have draft picks to offer due tonthe rule that you may not trade consecutive draft picks. Since we traded our 2012 draft pick for Marcus Williams we cannot trade the 11-12 pick as it does not exist and we cannot trade the 12-13 pick as that violates the rules. So now that your trade has been put to bed….I do acknowledge that you’ve made an interesting list of free agents. However, if we were to indeed trade Biedrins as you suggested, Dont you think we’d be looking for a Center and only a Center in next years free agency? And by god hopefully one who’s better than Turiaf. Read hoopshype.com before you post. Read the article posts on this site before you post.Because seriously…that was not an elite idea…
by Dro50 on Sep 24, 2010 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
We can simply trade udoh instead of B. wright. Udoh is as good as a draft pick and denver really wants andris from the looks of all the trade articles being read. And if your a true warrior fan you would know that from past years experince, the warriors have had a few good players of there own and once they demand a trade, its hard for the team to get sometihng good in reeturn. So i feel as if denver would take this trade one because they would be getting andris who they really want and not monta! 2 reggie williams just makes the deal even more fair because hes a great pick up out of the d league like azubukie was. and if we gave them udoh or brandon wright, they both are rookies in my book seeming how wright has been hurt for sometime. and then the expiring contracts would get them closer to being under the salary cap. so although you prove some good points, i feel i prove some as well.
that was not an elite idea…
not even a decent idea…
thanks for the FA list though!
"There's more to life than basketball. I can't play this game my whole life. I'm just trying to figure out what I like to do and meet some cool people along the way." -Chris Bosh
by Duby Dub Dubs on Sep 30, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds good on paper
But this would never happen, in a million years, in a million different alternate universes.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 12:18 AM PDT reply actions
I know how a players value can go down via The Stephen Jackson trade
Yet there are other teams who want Melo despite this and are offering better packages and draft picks as well. I implore you to read up on what other teams are offering. Their offers are far better than yours. FYI Bells contract is not expiring and Udoh is injured for most of the season.
LOL
im not a GM for crying out loud, but i feel as if some of these moves should be truly considered. I dont know about you or any of you other GSW fans, but im not looking to be happy with our team just making the playoffs, i want our team to be a dominate team for some years to come. Everything about us is new, its time to begin things in the right direction. We need to have a ellis, melo curry/ lee trio/quadriple attack! its whats getting the rings today. we just have to be willing to spend the cash and the youth needs to get with the movement of taking a lower pay cut.
Here I'll do you a favor
I’ll post a realistic way of getting Carmelo right here.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
That’s the only way we could get Melo.
leaving us with:
Lin-Ellis-Anthony-Amundson-Lee
Bell-Williams-Wright-Radmanovic-Gadzurich
Carney
Now this team despite having No Center, A prayer of a point guard and a weak bench would be the aftermath of trading for Melo. I understand your sentiments in wanting to be elite but I hope you understand mine and many others in wanting to be realistic as well.
You posted the link to the trade machine, not the trade itself
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh sorry the trade machine link didnt work
It was Curry, Biedrins, Udoh, and Wright for Melo and it works
Because other teams have offers at least as good
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
like what
tell me who new jersey has to offer? and chicago? and the rockets??
I read that New Jersey would have to offer Favors, a 19 year old athletic freak power forward who projects to be one of the best defensive players in the league.
Chicago would offer Joakim Noah, who is better than Andris Biedrins. They’re close, but Noah is a little better defender. They’d also offer Luol Deng. While Deng is expensive, he’s still good.
The Rockets could offer Kevin Martin. Maybe even Luis Scola if they really wanted him. Or Courtney Lee.
Now, most of these aren’t better than Curry+stuff, but they’re still better than what you posted.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay LOl
Favors vs udoh. both young talent and projected to be good defensive players. not to mention andris and williams in the deal i feel we would be giving a way better package then new jersey.
and chicago yes noah is better then andris, but if your going to give up noah for melo for one year when you can get andris + a young draft pick + a good scorer in williams id reconsider.
I feel like we are hyping up curry way too much. hes good but not that good. if melo had 3 years left on his contract and demanded a trade. LOL curry defntly would not be the answer to denvers wants.
also
these other teams you see they are giving up a good decent player but not more then one! becuz they do realize they would only be getting melo for one yr.
My trade is like if we were to be getting melo for more then 1 yr. were geiving up way more in my eyes, but that just tells me alot about how good you think our players are and that you see we also need some bettter players.
The issue
is of fit. You’re trading a starting caliber center that does everything we need him to for a perimeter player that duplicates skillsets and roles we already have.
It makes sooo much more sense from our end to either trade Monta, not Biedrins, or do nothing. I vote do nothing.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Favors vs udoh. both young talent and projected to be good defensive players. not to mention andris and williams in the deal i feel we would be giving a way better package then new jersey.
Strength: Favors
Explosiveness: Favors
Length: Favors
and chicago yes noah is better then andris, but if your going to give up noah for melo for one year when you can get andris + a young draft pick + a good scorer in williams id reconsider.
What about Deng? He’s one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and one of the best rebounding 3s.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
huuuuuuuuuuuge difference
Between Udoh and Favors. Not to beat on a dead horse, but this draft was a 5 player draft; Favors was one of the five players, Udoh was not. Favors is a long lean athletic beast, looking every bit as explosive as a young Amare when he first came in the league. Udoh on the other hand is a 23-year-old with a limited offensive skill set, average explosiveness, yes a solid defender, but not a whole lot of room for growth. Favors, meanwhile, has the potential that scouts drool over, and that makes him a whole heck of a lot more appealing when it comes to trade value, considering he is a young player.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
i agreee talent wise
but favors isnt a team!
denever is looking to take ten years to rebuild. they have ty lawson nene and a few other good players. if we gave them williams and udoh, they have 2 more young pieces to work with. ty lawson at pg. williams can play sg or sf. and udoh can play anywhere from sf- c for them. not to mention they would have biedrins. so yeah i dont see how new jerseys trade comes close at all. maybe chicago’s trade with noah and deng, but those are two playes that play same position and have big contracts and arent that young wheras are players are.
Favors>Williams+Udoh
udoh can play anywhere from sf- c
No. He does not have the offensive skillset to play SF. He isn’t mobile enough to guard on the perimeter. He’s coming in as a shotblocker- that’s his lone strength.
Biedrins is a good player, but Favors is, by a wide margin, the most exciting prospect they could get. They’d probably even be able to get one of the Nets swingmen as well.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If Melo goes to the Nets
I hope they don’t send Morrow in the trade package, although he would be a prime candidate I feel like. I couldn’t stomach the sight of playing against Morrow more than two times a year, watching him drain it from behind the arch on us…
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
all im saying is
look at it in denvers eyes..
PG:billups/ lawson
Sg: williams
Sf; ???
PF: Udoh/ birdman
C: Biedrins/nene
rather then having just favors.. it makes no sense. go with depth. duuhh
PF: Udoh/ birdman
C: Biedrins/nene
You mean
PF: Nene/Udoh
C: Biedrins/Birdman
That is pretty sweet. I’ll concede that point, to an extent. Favors is still crazy upside. the Bulls Noah-Deng package is better than that, though.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
also favors is only 18 udoh is 23
and they are about the same skill set already
And one is an amazing athlete.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 30, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
But thats the only trade we’d have to offer the Nuggets that They’d agree to according to recent reports
even if we did give up curry
we would be getting billups in return, so why not have a bigger pg and get melo and possibly give him even more reason to resign with us?
we wouldnt be giving up much
this is basically a salary dump. we would basically be getting melo for free and taking on billups contract and giving up or bread and butter in curry. in other words we would be giving up our young star for an older star who would only be on our team for two years. and melo would be thrown in becuz of wright and expiring contracts or just because he would be walking away from there team anyway next year, so we would probably give up williams or someone else with good young talent but whos cheap.
we would get billups because!
it makes no since for denever to sit curry on the bench and have billups and his big contract if they know they arent going anywhere, so they might as well get rid of there two biggest contracts melo and billups.
this would put them wayyyyy beneath the salary cap and they could resign curry for a decent price and possibly go after a big time free agent down the road. and the warriors would do this because they would get billups and melo in return for the next 2 years possibly and be dominate team in the west. then eventually billups would leave becuz of his age and we would have to look into signing a good pg yrs to come or in the draft.
do you understand that in NBA trades, you have to give up about as much salary as you take on?
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes i do understand that
thats why when i proposed the trade of
JR smith and MELO
for
Andris, williams, udoh, vlad, and your choice of bell or gaudric. they both work!
so try that out then come talk to me. because i made sure it worked.
soo...
williams.. andris…. wright or udoh they are really that bad?
williams.. andris…. wright or udoh they are really that bad?becuz i dont think noah nor deng are better.
williams.. andris…. wright or udoh they are really that bad?becuz i dont think noah nor deng are better.williams can score and rebound by himself. andris can get a double double every night.
noah is a clean up guy and needs a dominate pg to set him up. and deng hes just a beast with a big contract. something denver isnt looking for or else they would have pulled that trade a long time ago
you honestly think so?
Deng scores equally well as Reggie, and beats him out in every other facet of the game.
Noah is light years better than Beans/Wright/Udoh. Sure he’s not the prettiest offensive player to watch, but he’s a guaranteed double double guy for the next 6 or 7 years at least. He runs the floor well and he brings the type of energy that few (if any) starting big men have in the league.
I’m all for homerism, but let’s be real here.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Deng scores equally well as Reggie, and beats him out in every other facet of the game.
I think Reggie is the better scorer. More efficient overall, more versatile. He can actually put it on the floor, and even creates for teammates. Deng is kind of a spot up shooter and the master of the heels on the line long 2.
That being said, he is better at everything else and it isn’t all that close.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
i still feel that
denever should be looking at who they are getting and the long run like how we have been doing for so many years.. i understand denever making the noah and deng trade if they were trying to throw everything in the bag.. meaning they would have something like
billups//melo/deng/noah/nene
but why do that trade its no balance anywhere they would have deng. nene. noah, birdman and whoeer else they have not to mention dampier is trying to go their.
billups//melo/deng/noah/nene
No, they would have something like
Billups/Smith/Deng/Nene/Noah because they traded Melo. Noah/Nene is a beast of a defensive front court, and it’s not bad from a scoring front. Billups can score, Smith can score, Deng can shoot, but plays great D and can help make up for Nene’s inability to rebound at a high level.
Nene is a natural power forward, dude. He’s playing out of position because they have to start KMart or something.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
speaking of K-Mart
How in the heck was that guy ever an All-star? Entertaining to watch when he still had knees, but the year he was on the team he put up like 16/7 with around 3 combined blk/stl. His inefficient offensive game never expanded beyond his flat-line midrange J’s and awkward push shots in the lane. Of course, not nearly as shamtastic as Jamal Magloire being an All-star.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
KMart was, and still kind of is, a good defender. He’s still way overpaid and isn’t that useful of a player.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
he was the #1 pick too
But honestly his career trajectory wouldn’t have turned out that differently even if his knees hadn’t blown out. At best a career 16/8 guy.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
my bad
kinda in WASHinton d.c. and its like 5am out here. so kinda tired. but yeah that would be a lineup like the lakers just without a bench…
I can't believe the Lakers have a bench now
kinda. They still have no PG depth. Blake is the only legitimate PG on the roster. Barnes was a coup. Odom is a beast.
At least this Nuggets team would have amazing PG play in Chauncey and Ty Lawson. They also have good big depth- Birdman is a really good guy to give 20 minutes a game.
They’d still have Afflalo on the perimeter too. I think their benches are actually not as far off as they appear at first glance.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess undersold Reggie there a little bit
He hasn’t put up a full season of consistent scoring numbers yet like Deng has, but yeah, he definitely has a better handle, better vision, and probably around the same efficiency as a jump shooter. I forgot that Deng has trouble dribblng with his long Sudanese arms.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay
I’m talking about Melo+Chauncey right now.
They combine for like $26 M. We’d have to give them Curry, Monta, Biedrins and Gadzuric to make that work salary wise.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Chauncey Billups is like 50
He’s still good, but he won’t be good for long. Basically, this trade would be Curry, our future, for a rental of Melo and Billups. Our team wouldn’t be any better than what he has in Denver, except that our coach isn’t nearly as good.
Also- there would be pretty much no way to make the salaries work to take back Billups. Him and Melo combine for like $26 M.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
a rental.. thats why we go with melo and smith!
Melo would be a rental too
because that team isn’t going anywhere.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd just like to point out
This is a whole heck of a lot of wheeling and dealing to create a team that STILL wouldn’t contend for an NBA championship. Might as well stick with Curry, cultivate your young talent, draft well, and hope for the best. Warriors aren’t in a position to go all-out win it now or go home, like the Celtics are.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
I agree that holding onto our guns is the better choice right now. Wehave 20mil in capspace next season. We can improve more then.
I agree
I would still be happy if we didnt get melo, but i would like to see us take our 20 mil and spend it on legit players like prince, powe, battier and players that can help us. Were good at scouting good d league pick ups, but its time to pay these players that always end jup hurting our teams when we play against them. thats all im looking at right now. we have a solid lineup as it is now, but our depth needs some work!!!
I just thought you should know
We can get Melo next year through Free agency if he does not sign with whatever team he is traded to.
If that is the case then We dont lose Curry, Ellis, Williams, Lee or Biedrins and none of these terrible trade ideas would matter
but
i dont think he will come here. i feel as if melo is going to get traded to somewhere like chicago and sign an extension or he will go to a team like houston or new jersey for a year after they give up w.e. to get him then bail on them and then run behind amare
So if we know this
and we know that the Nuggets would laugh at your proposal and we know the only way to make it work would be lose Curry…why are we discussing this?
We didnt give Curry up for Amare in his rookie year
Why would we give him up now that hes even better for melo?
we didnt have
williams at the time, and we wanted to give ellis and biedrins another shot at proving they can get this team back on its feet, but that shot has been put to rest. its time to give up on one and i feel although ellis has caused alot of drama i feel biedrins is no use to us seeming how hes been sitting in a suit these past two yrs. and sucked at the free throw line when playing. i would love to keep andris, but honestly if denver wants him and we know hes on a down slope and we get melo in return id do it. we get 20 mil next season and if we get rid of his big contract speaking of biedrins we would be recieivng a bigger contract in melo, but if he decided to leave, that can only do us good becuase we could sign moe then one big guy and get more depth.
i rather have 3 good big big guys then just 1
We can give up on biedrins or ellis ill understand that
But the Nuggets arnt interested in those players. They want Curry.
READ MY FRIEND
THEY WANT BIEDRINS! OVER ELLIS WE HAVE MDE IT CLEAR THAT CURRY IS UNTOUCHABLE AND THAT WE ARE wiling to part ways with eaither ellis or andris and they want the goose. soo im more then happy to part with a 13% free throw shooter. who was good to us for the years he playedd for us
soo im more then happy to part with a 13% free throw shooter.
How about the guy that also gets a very efficient 14/36 and 13rebounds/36.
Or how about the fact that 4/25 isn’t a meaningful free throw sample. I hope he bounces back, though. I think Ellis has had 4/25 stretches from the line in his career.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
you make the point
That Melo would not come to GSW in free agency. What makes you think any of these other guys you mentioned would willingly play for the Warriors? Have you looked around at the type of guys we’re signing…all unproven/unwanted/looking to get more playing time/it was the right move for the money type guys. Certainly someone like Tayshaun Prince wouldn’t voluntarily go play for a team like the Warriors after having been to the Finals twice and the playoffs in many other years.
The Warriors can only give out so many 6 yr/80 mil contracts. And we already used that up on DLee, so not sure how many more marquee guys (should they choose to come) we could get.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It would depend on our season
If we made the playoffs and into the second round and say the hawks flopped out in the first round. We could get Horford. success is key this season. And Melo leaving the west coast Could help the Warriors that much more.
i think melo could wait patiently 2 more years
i feel melo understand that wheerver he goes he will have to wait at least 2 more years because if he leaves denever wherever he goes the opposing team will be giving up alot to get him unless its chicago or the warriors. and if he doesnt decide to go to those teams then he will go to new york where he will be teamed up with amare, but he will have to wait for chirs paul to become a free agent unless parker goes there. then they would be the new miami team.
wasn't that already this year...
Bell – second (third?) chance
DWright – second chance
Gadzuric – not even getting into that
Amundson – okay, but value inflated because of phoenix playoff run
Lin – unknown to everyone outside of the Bay Area and/or Cambridge, MA
Udoh – probably an unknown to most everyone not reading draftexpress/nbadraft.net on a regular basis
You could even argue that DLee isn’t exactly a household name, and we gave him a boatload of money. Not that i have a problem with that of course.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Amundson – okay, but value inflated because of phoenix playoff run
His contract is good for him going solely off his performance from last season.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah he wasn't exactly a budget breaker
Just saying he got this contract because of last year’s playoff run. Which may or may not be a good thing, because it has yet to be seen whether he play with equal effectiveness on a team with much less talent.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it was already this year
That’s why I’m hoping melo leaves the west coast so that our team of uknowns can have a better shot at playoffs and top tier free agents next offseason.
Our team is a team of unknowns
None of us want it that way but unless we make playoffs this year and sign another top tier free agent…we will remain a team of unknowns
I was thinking to myself
We have the most random assortment of players in the NBA, it’s not even close. DWright, Charlie Bell, Dan Gadzuric, Louis Amundson all on the same team? Going to take some getting used to…
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree with you
thats why im emphazining that we trade for MELO NOW!!! and give up on andris!!! we can find another williams in the d league! or we can sign more free agents next season. you do realize wherever melo goes its 2 years from now he will reall be competting for that ring! unless the skills of ellis curry. melo and lee just rub off on the bench players we have like the big three in boston did a few yrs back
You're crazy
you have no concept of fit. Do you not understand that you need roleplayers? You have a starting lineup of 4 scorers, and a sophomore point guard to handle the egos of two all stars and a 2 guard that took 22 shots last seasons. We also have a team where we’re starting reasonably good passers at every position. Curry, DWright, Lee and Andris are all good passers. Ellis is a pretty alright passer. Off the bench, Reggie Williams is a good passer and so is Ekpe Udoh. Melo goes against that completely. Rather than playing smart, team basketball like we can with this roster (a team that could be greater than the sum of its parts), we have a ball movement killing superstar at the 3.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
AGAIN!
I POINT OUT BOSTON CELTICS, LA LAKERS, MIAMI HEAT!!!!!
THEY ALL HAVE 3 SCORES on the team!!! AND THEY ALL COMPTETING FOR RINGS!!!
ELLIS IS GROWING UP AND IF HE REALLY WANTS TO SHOW HES GROWING UP THEN HE WILL SHOW THAT he can be like KOBE! he can get his team mates involved and when he needs to take over he can!.
You honestly need to think about it. if Melo played his style of not passing teams would reazlize that and try to collapse on him and ellis is so quick that he will beat whoever is guarding him and melo will be willing to pass knowing this is ellis team. and if curry is really as nice ass he seems, then he didnt go to team usa for the heck of it. he kknows what it takes to win. they had billups, rose, westbrooke, durant for crying out loud the entire team was filled with scorers. and curry accepted the role of coming off the bench and when having the open shot knocking down the threee… curry needs to have and keep the mindset of distributing the ball to ellis and melo and being more worried about getting his assits wayy up there to like 20 a game. and melo and ellis and lee will attract soo much attention that he can have a 3 point shoot out by himself. or run a pick n roll with lee. not to mention ellis buckets will come way easier with all the attackers and dominating forces we would have.
BOSTON CELTICS
You mean a clear go-to scorer in Paul Pierce, a jump shooter with high IQ in Ray Allen and a power forward whose main strength is his defense? It’s a great fit. He’s also a good jumpshooting big, so he can score in the flow of the offense.
The Lakers- I don’t know who you’re calling their big 3. They really only have 2 go-to caliber scorers on that roster. Bynum can score, but it’s mainly Pau and Kobe. Kobe being a good passer and Pau being one of smartest power forwards in the league. I guess you could make that claim for Lee too, but they don’t have 3 high usage players like we would.
The Heat- we don’t know how that will fit. They haven’t played. All I do know is that they have the best player in the league, one of the 5 best players in the league and one of the 15 best players in the league on their roster. In your Warriors big 3, we have 1 top 15 player, 1 top 20 player and 1 top 40 player. It’s not even close.
You honestly need to think about it
Ditto for you, kid. You want to assemble the worst defensive team of all time. At least those run and gun Suns teams had guys like Raja Bell and Shawn Marion and the offense was run by the best passer of this generation and the best scoring big of this generation.
curry needs to have and keep the mindset of distributing the ball to ellis and melo and being more worried about getting his
Yes, he could distribute all he wants. That doesn’t matter. Ball movement would die with Melo and it might die with Ellis. He might be more willing to defer to Lee and Melo. Still, having 1 ballhog like that really hurts your team’s passing ability. It means you get a Carmelo Anthony or Monta Ellis shot instead of the best shot available. Curry wouldn’t be getting open 3s because Melo is going to take the shot even if he’s doubled.
The rest of your post is gibberish. Is English your first language?
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
you gotta stop throwing around "big three" so casually
Melo/DLee/Steph do not constitute a big three. KG/Allen/Pierce are all likely hall of famers. Wade/Lebron/Bosh in the same boat. The three you are referring to are merely two very good NBA players, and one exceptional scorer in Melo.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
and one exceptional scorer in Melo.
And even then, it’s not like he’s Durant.
Also- I think cecild might think our big 3 is Ellis/Melo/Lee.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
KD really is making Melo an afterthought
I actually feel kind of bad for Melo. KD has a better J with more range, and is probably more unstoppable offensively than Melo when either gets on a roll. Of course, Melo is still a better scoring option posting up due to his bigger frame, but that’s about it.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
im guessing
you think its curry/melo/lee
your cold dude.. so hard on ellis..
I disagree
I think you’re cold. So hard on Curry.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Not even lol
im not even knocking currys skill level, but like a NBA player would feel or say" im not gonna let some rookie come in and take my starting spot" ellis has been i this league alot longer and has alot more expericnce. Curry has a good iq. but im never knockin the guy he can play his a$$ off. but i would rather see melo and ellis dominate the game along side with lee. and curry kinda set everyone up kinda like a steve nash. he doesnt need to get his respect in scoring becuse we know he can do that. what we want is a true pg who is willing to setttle with 5 points a night with lets say 30 assists a night.. thats a true pg. something he is capable of doing.
ELLIS realized hes a shooting guard and if he is going to play with curry that he needs to be the two guard. so curry needs to realize hes the 1 guard. and play his part in setting up plays and distriubuiting the ball and when a play breaks down he can be the man and launch the big 3 pointer
uhhh
I don’t think any point guard is capable averaging 30 assists a night. Even if they play 60 minutes a night.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions
WITH CURRY Anything is possible
curry was getting his assits with d league players who werent reaady for his nice smooth slick passes. ellis and melo and lee will make it look easy. not to mention he can do a pick and roll with leee and kick out to ellis or melo. for a nice jump shot or alley oop. but yeah i may have exagerrated a lil with getting 30. but im saying the kid could get like 15 assits easily with ellis, melo, and lee at his side.
i think the point was made before
But there wouldn’t be nearly enough balls to go around for this team. Just to verify, Curry/Ellis/Melo/DLee all on the same squad? Lee not a problem, he gets points off put backs and hustle plays, that’s fine, no plays need to be called for him.
It would be bad enough just dealing with Ellis/Melo, since both are ball dominators who need the ball in their hands to be effective. But Curry needs the ball too, you can’t just expect a player of his caliber to dribble the ball up the floor and pass it to either of the two scorers and just have them go to work. It just doesn’t work like that.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Do what?
Just give the ball to the iso scorers when he gets up the court? Anyone’s capable of that. It’s not a good use of his talents to do that. Curry’s primary talent is his ability to shoot, not his passing ability.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
lee he can just be a dominate rebounder for us. and get his clean up buckets. and melo and ellis can go to work.
Just ask yourself. kobe vs ellis., artest vs melo.. gasol vs lee curry vs fisher!! lol curry will break the old guy down. soorryy. but we need a team with many options.. one of them has to be clicking one night
We don't need Melo to make this team work
if anything, he makes it work worse. He effectively takes the ball out of Curry’s hands due to his iso style of basketball that ends with a drive (and FTs) or a long jumper.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
annnnd we're back to square one.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm done
I’ve repeated myself waaaay too much already and this clearly isn’t going anywhere. I’d been so good about it lately, too.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions
It'd be a waste of his talent though
Scorers in this league come and go, but it’s rare to see a player who has such a high basketball IQ, a great scoring instinct, and a knack for making clutch plays like a Steph Curry. Making him be exclusively a facilitator would be a major waste of his talents. Heck, you could get Earl Watson on ths team and he’d fill that roll more than adequately.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Lets just take cp3 for example
chirs paul and the new o hornets.
chris paul, david west, and who else??? it use to be tyson chandler oh and peja. peja is a dominating shooter. and chandler got his easy dunk ins becuz paul and west created space and got his becuz his low post game. but chris paul ignitatiated all this. they were a fair team back then. they were in the playoffs. ill be honest all warrior fans would be happy to see our team in playoffs, but i think we have a shot to take two steps ahead. we can make the playoffs and instead of fooling around with our roster and waisting years and all that tryna figure out what peice we are missing we allready know what it is. we need more then like 5 good players. so why not just keep adding on to what we have. think of baron j rich. jackson. harrington. if ellis was good as he is now back then during that time, UMM who knows where we coulda gone. but all im saying is time is changing here. and 3 players is a playoff team but a team who wants a ring is more then 3 players.
all im going to say is this
im sure you got 2k. or nba live. so y dont you make two teams one with
curry/ ellis/ melo/ lee/ turiaf
and
curry/ellis/wright/lee/andris
see who gets more wins. and beter defensive stats and all that stuff.. let me know when your shocked as i was when i did it.
5 points a night with lets say 30 assists a night
Have you ever looked at NBA stats in your life? I think 30 assists is the single game record and it’s not all that close.
Curry’s shooting is too valuable to do that. He isn’t Jason Kidd who does it on defense and on the glass, but can’t really score all that well.
ELLIS realized hes a shooting guard and if he is going to play with curry that he needs to be the two guard.
That’s fine. Offensively, Curry and Ellis are a pretty good fit as long as Ellis isn’t a ballhog about it. Defensively, it’s brutal. Neither of them can guard 2s consistently.
Adding Melo to the mix doesn’t make it better. It takes our lone perimeter defender and another spot up shooter in Wright and replaces him with a ballhog that takes 22 shots a night.
Just think about that for a sec- here’s a guy that doesn’t pass the ball and plays bad D, and you want to play him alongside another guy who also gives you that. And you also want to trade the only center on our roster to get him.
Such a bad idea. It’s offensive how bad it is. I guess that’s why I can’t stop talking to you.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I just realized having that lineup of Curry/Ellis/Melo/DLee automatically gives you the worst defensive starting 5 in the league. If not the worst defensive starting 5 in the last decade.
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The sad thing is
that Curry is probably the best defender in that list
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Keith Smart
would have the hardest but easist job as a head coach… he wouldnt need to motivate his players! he wouldnt need to tell them to play defense becuz they would on there own. i really feel ellis is a beast on defense he just didnt show that last yr becuz look who he had to play with no reall ballers.. give him a team to play with and your gonna be feeling like your the best or summthin
OFFENSE
1st off the OFfense would run through curry and melo! therefore ellis would concentrate on defense more. And he will be so excitied to get his 20ppg so he would eventually begin to get more steals and play better defense. and fastbreak is his game so he will automatically get his points. MElo is raw enough that if he lets the ball out of his hands that its good for two. Curry and lee will have there times when ellis and melo need a break and they can play pick nd pop/ roll!! they can have a triangle offense. a fast break offense. we can start things never been done before.
So!!!
if lee avgs a double double for the rest of his carreer he will be a hall a famer. melo is already a hall of famer. and ellis will get there one day. if not ellis curry will. so we defntly have a big three..
and ellis will get there one day.
No way.
if lee avgs a double double for the rest of his carreer he will be a hall a fame
No way.
melo is already a hall of famer
Probably true. He was so hyped coming into the NBA.
Still- like All Stars, not all Hall of Famers are created equal. Paul Pierce was better than Melo when the big 3 was assembled. Ray Allen was better than either Ellis or Curry is now. KG was the best player in the bunch.
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by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
i will bet my house
That David Lee will not be a hall of famer. He’s already 27, has never won anything, will probably never win anything, and has only put up 20 ppg in one season. Not going to happen
COME. ON. YOU. SPURS.
by Tom Huddlestone on Sep 24, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
prince
is done in this league. he cant win by himself he has to take the role of a lamar odom or jermaine oneal or rasheed wallace. all who are very good players back when they were young, but now they have to accept the role of being clean up guys are guys that can dominate but with like 4 other guys who can dominate.
Both of our trades are realistic
I dont think you understand. the bulls arent giving up there entire team for melo, they are only giving up noah as the center piece. the lakers would be giving up bynum. the rockets would be giving uup martin.. so i think a trade consisting of andris and williams would defntly get denver rethinking! i believe the only reason we dont have melo now is becuz we are affraid to give up williams becuz we dont know what the future holds meaning we dont know who we would end up signing in the off season next year.
Prince could go to LA next yr and make them even more unbeatable, battier can too. im just trying to throw a good idea out there becuz its what we need in order to be a dominate team like the other teams out in the west. take note thats why the jazz, spurs, and denever themselves arent getting past that little hump! becuz LA and BOSTON and CLE and ORLANDO Were always killing them becuz they had a deep bench and moe then like 4 options on the team. Honestley like if you really thinki about it. do LA’s team.
KOBe has always been a number 1 option.
Artest was once a number 1 option or at least a number 2 on a team
Gasol number 1 or 2 option
bynum 1 or 2
fisher hes just a clutch guy
lamar odom he was a number 2 optioin before and now hes like there number 5 or 6 option
boston
rondo hes like a curry to us he can be option 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, just that raw!
ray allen was once number 1 option
garnett once was a number 1 option
pierce number 1 option
jermaine oneal, once was a number 1 option
shaq was a number 1 option number 2 option
lets not forget sheed…
all im saying is that these teams yes they are older now. but they have players that all are number options or use to be and they understand they need to play togeher as a team to get it done.
so maybe thats what we need to do. just as a young group before the thunder do it!
Maybe becuz we have been in a slump for soo long you cant open your eyes and seee that this is what we need to do and we are in the position to, but we just need the right ppl in the front office.
I'm sorry to say that both our trades are not realistic.
Reading the recent reports will show the stalemate the Warriors and Nuggets are in.
Cecil D:
As you’re new here, let me give you a few pieces of advice that may help you in future diaries.
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2. Rather than repeating the same points 800 times, try to compose your thoughts into a two or three coherent posts. If your ideas are strong enough, you can let them stand on their own and your readers will be persuaded by them. When you get into lame, carping back-and-forths, your readers will generally assume you’ve stopped making interesting points and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
3. Listen to other people’s ideas and don’t take disagreement personally.
On a side note, I find is somewhat unlikely that Steph Curry is going to average 30 assists per game this season. It’s possible, but I’m expecting more in the 25-26 range. Throw in, conservatively speaking, 74 points, 25 rebs, and 12 steals per game, and we’re looking at a pretty solid sophomore season, imho.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 24, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
It’s possible, but I’m expecting more in the 25-26 range. Throw in, conservatively speaking, 74 points, 25 rebs, and 12 steals per game, and we’re looking at a pretty solid sophomore season, imho.
Rec. Agree wholeheartedly
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it
It will never happen, but out of the many fan trades I’ve seen for Melo, I like this one the most. The center is still an issue, but if we can rotate rebounders into the mix (Udoh, Lee, Amundson) we can minimize that weakness. Not much D either, but Im used to it.
I like it in fantasy world, but Im more than happy not getting Melo and staying on our current course.
by WestCoastWarrior on Sep 24, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions
but if we can rotate rebounders into the mix (Udoh, Lee, Amundson)
While Amundson and Lee are good rebounders, we don’t know anything about Udoh’s rebounding. His college rebounding numbers were pretty unimpressive.
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 24, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Andries Biedrins + Reggie Williams + Brandon Wright + two expiring contracts in Vlad R. and Charlie Bell and possibly a pick or cash!
or Derrick Favors + AK47 + Picks .
Which would you take?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 24, 2010 10:38 AM PDT reply actions
There are only SO many possessions in an NBA game, which means a limited amount of shots
And with 4 chuckers as your starters in Curry, Monta, Carmelo, and David Lee, it’s not enough to go around where they all 4 can average 20PPG, it’s just not possible, too many chuckers. You need complementary players, just cause you have four offensively gifted players on the court at once doesn’t mean they can all get their shots…
Probably one of the worst starting 5 in the league when it comes to defense.
Can’t see how a team w/ such a terrible defensive starting 5 doing anything. Only way to overcome it would be great offense & dominant rebounding. Lee can be part of a dominant rebounding front line but when he’s got Carmelo & Turiaf up front also.
I’d be surprised if such a line up is even capable of getting past the second round.
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Championship teams might change over the years. From the Jordan’s Bulls, to Duncan’s Spurs, to Kobe/Gasol’s Lakers, etc… However, what doesn’t change is that you need to have some type of defense to win a championship.
you sound like
if we were to have this team, that the starting five would just allow players to freely score on them. I know they dont have the best defense, but they still would have a chance at a ring moreso then Curry, Ellis, D LEE would.,,,
TUriaf could defntly hold down the middle as can andris. All they ever needed was a partner to compliment them on the size they needed. David lee and andris are both big bodies and im sure they will be a much btr front court this yr. as would turiaf and lee would too. turiaf is just a little more active and mobile and plays with a little more energy in my eyes..
Curry and Ellis speaks for itself, they would get killed maybe on defense, but maybe not. I think ellis is going to show everyone up this year since he actually has a ball team to play with this year. LIke last year im sorry, but you cant expect your star player to go out everynight and just be the “STAR” day in and day out when they arent even going anywhere LOL. Key example Lebron james is best player in the nba right now. When he has a team that was winning, he was an above avg defensive player. Watch this season and for the next 5 seasons his def stats will go up!!
and finally if we had carmelo… I mean when we play against this guy, i usually hate seeing him with the ball because thats just like an automatic two in the basket aghainst us. having him on the team would mean automatic two vs other teams,
FInally i tihnk all im saying is that i feel that turiaf would be our defensive motivator, lee would be our like 4th go to guy after ellis, melo, and curry, so he would automatically just focus more on getting his stats in other categorys. MElo will do melo. Ellis will take less shots and get more stills and have more energy knowing he has 2-3 more other players like him who can do what he can giving him time to rest and go all out!! curry hes a rondo defensive player in the making.
because thats just like an automatic two in the basket aghainst us.
key phrase “aghainst us” (sic). I don’t know if you noticed this last season, but the Warriors were generally not much of an impediment to opposing team’s scorers.
typo
Lee can be part of a dominant rebounding front line but when he’s got Carmelo & Turiaf up front also —> Lee can be part of a dominant rebounding front line but NOT when he’s got Carmelo & Turiaf up front also.
How??
Do you not see that the warriors main reason for losing games last season was because they played like 3 guards and maybe a sf/pf and possibly a center if one was available???
You all have to look at it like this. Our lineup would be a balanced sized!! All players mindset is to win, so defense can be worked on, i mean you all act as if they cannot get better at that lol. lee and turaif tandom with melo lurking around thats awesome… anthony also likes to get in the paint and cleanup on the boards and get a few and1’s while he can! 3 solid rebounders on the floor and ellis and curry both know they have to rbeound so they would defntly be better rebounding team and would possibly win all those close games they lost last year… and if i did the calculations correct, LOL we lost 23 close games, so add that to our record and we would be sumwhere between a 47-53 winning record team.. id take that any day!!!
Are you sure you guys are all warrior fans becuz i thought this is what we wanted!!! the playoffs us winning.. ?? whats up with all the haters lol im tired of the draft picks man we needa nut up and take a sacrafice. we can be dominate with a lineup like that and a few other veteran signings …really think about it.
3. Listen to other people’s ideas and don’t take disagreement personally.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Sep 26, 2010 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions
How did this post elicit this many comments?? Whoah.
by Lacob's Ladder on Sep 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I think that 80% or more of the thread was a back and forth between the OP and myself
and Tom Huddlestone got in there too
I must look like a dork.
by Reverend_Randy on Sep 27, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
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