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2010-11 Toronto Raptors Preview - Should The Raptors Play More "American"? :: Around the Association

 

Toronto is a beautiful city that lives on the frontier, or rather fringes, of the NBA world. The team features a relatively forgotten number 1 overall pick in Andrea Bargnani, who's come out relatively unscathed by critics perhaps because their team is on the outskirts of the NBA civilization. Perhaps it was their former star in Chris Bosh, who kept people wondering for the last 2 years when he was going to bolt for the US of A. Or maybe it was Hedo Turkoglu's stomach flu shenanigans, possibly attributed to eating fast food before games.

All this is to say that all was not well up in Canada. If this wasn't enough, the on-going rumors of Raptors' team drama between international and state-side players over the international players' style of defense (also known as liabilities) hardly portrayed the institutionalized multicultural wonderland that Canada has prided itself on, at least in it's center cities of global commerce.

Whatever the case may be, the Toronto Raptors may fade into obscurity completely now as they've rebooted their roster, among other things, with more (and less exciting) international players, such as Linas Kleiza, Leandro Barbosa, and David Andersen. It's been a busy off-season of re-inking current players while bringing in a mish-mash of talent through the draft and free-agency. But will these additions help solve some of the rumors circulating over Toronto's defensive issues? While a mid-season defensive improvement was there, is it time for Toronto to play more "American"?

Star-divide

The Raptors are clearly starting over. And they're clearly thrusting the team's immediate future in the large hands of Bargnani and little used Amir Johnson, who was re-signed for what many critics and sports fans considered one, if not THE, worst contract signing during this off-season. Johnson was so bad that the Warriors even locked him up this past season when they faced each other. There's something to be said about your skills as a player when you're that bad offensively against the Warriors defense schemes.

Aside from Johnson, the Raptors are looking incredible thin -- literally and figuratively -- in the front court with David Andersen, who's preference is apparently shooting jumpshots and to not rebound. Ed Davis, an intriguing and seemingly efficient talent in summer league (12 pts, 6 rbs, and 2 blks), looks like he's ready to step in and play some meaningful minutes. But this three-headed monster which I call "inexperienced" won't help Toronto fans forget about Bosh's productivity (and good looks), at least not right away.

At the wings, DeMar DeRozan seems like a younger version of Julian Wright, which could be both good and bad. By this, I mean both players are oozing with potential and a potential which has drawn comparisons between them and current NBA stars. They're both teammates now, so this could be bad if DeRozan doesn't develop and begins to see his future down the end of the bench. But DeRozan doesn't seem as boneheaded as Julian Wright, as he hasn't quite quieted rumors about his ability to understand offensive systems swirled a few seasons ago if his stats are any indication. But one of Wright's strong suits has been his length and defense, which I guess better be if he can't grasp an offense, let alone hit breakaway dunks. But DeRozan shows a nice jumper, but his handles have severely limited what he can necessarily do offensively. Maybe he should first work on fixing his hairline. There no good barbers in Toronto that taper this dudes' do?

This rag-tag team of role players looks a lot like last seasons, sans Bosh and Turkoglu's "potential" as a leader and a play-maker. To me this spells trouble for all the reasons mentioned above. The pick of Kleiza was nice and I'm a huge Linas Kleiza fan given how much of a Warrior killer he was. Plus he has a decent stroke from beyond the arc that will definitely help given some of the offensive struggles this team may face without Bosh.

But these new additions don't give any indication that their past defensive woes will disappear. A Youtube clip of a European unknown demolishing Bargnani inside started quite a conversation among Raptor's fans about Bargnani's troubles playing at center. Still, Bargnani improved the amount of wins he generated and Jose Calderon had the skills of an emerging elite point guard until his injuries seem to derail some of his incredible efficiency.

Who knows, though? Maybe this team of role players can play well together without the distractions of Bosh and Turkoglu and maybe they'll figure out how to play defense together and consistently. But based off some of these off-season moves, it seems that Toronto will continue to have it's international flair as a "European-styled city" when it needs to play the rough and tough game of the USA.*

*I'm just joking folks about Toronto and Canada, broadly speaking.  I'm not a crazy patriot of the USA but merely highlighting the brewing cultural tension between US and international players in the liminal space of Canada.  I love Toronto and if given the chance, wouldn't mind living there for a bit.  The Chinese food is tremendous and my girlfriend can say confidently that the shopping is some of the best you will find in North America. And to squash any people who think I'm saying Toronto is a 'European city,' I'm not.  But French and British colonialisms have clearly framed the style and flaire of the city and region as "European."

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I don’t know what the hell Bryan Colangelo is doing. He needs to be fired.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 3, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Colangelo’s looking more lost than ever. His moves this offseason have been all over the place and are almost as aimless as Kahn’s, and now the Raptors’ roster is locked up paying big money to a crapload of “energy” guys. It’s sad when the only solid player on the roster is Jarrett Jack.

by WYK on Sep 3, 2010 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Amir Johnson vs GS

 Johnson was so bad that the Warriors even locked him up this past season when they faced each other
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All of you Bay area writers are well known for making stuff up.

You are no exception

In the two games vs the Raptors in 09-10 Johnson averaged

MPG—19.5
PPG—-11.0
RPG——6.0

His season averages were

MPG—-17.7
PPG——6.2
RPG——4.8

So he came close to doubling his seasonal scoring rate per 36 when he played the GSW. To say that they locked him up sounds like a Pelosi spin to me.

I wouldn’t call someone who played in all 82 games and averaged almost 18 mpg as little used. But then Bay area writers have a different view of the language then the rest of America. It must be the pollution fall-out from Berkeley.

His averages as a starter last season

MPG—-32.7
PPG—-17.8
RPG——6.0

Accoriding to basketballvalue.com Johnson ranked #1 in 09-10 in defense among all NBA players

http://basketballvalue.com/index.php

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3982/splits;_ylt=Ar3wDBwHotWXyNUOay7IFbE9PaB4

Cheers from Los Angeles, the only great city in CA

by Buddahfan on Sep 3, 2010 6:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow are you really trying to troll with that last comment.

"Everybody loves Basketball-Reference.com. Except the Kobe fans".- DubsFan408

by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 3, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

What did you expect? It’s a guy from LA. Arrogance and ignorance applies to most people who openly hail from that smog town.

by WYK on Sep 3, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buddha has a point...

Johnson was one of the raptors’ best players last year, not to mention of the hardest working. It kinda feels like you guys opened up the stats from last year and just made a random preview….did you actually ever watch the raptors play??

by dchoubak on Sep 6, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cheers from Los Angeles, the only great city in CA

That’s the comment GSC was referring to.

I must look like a dork.

by Reverend_Randy on Sep 6, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whats wrong?

Mommy forgot to kiss you good morning today?

The San Fransisco 49ers, where we got Dix, VD and Crabs!

by Badly Browned on Sep 3, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

????

I dont think he was trolling, he was juss pointin out that johnson doesnt suk as much as the article says… contract is still ludicrous,but u know juss poitin he doesnt blow as much

by Blasterfi9 on Sep 3, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cheers from Los Angeles, the only great city in CA

Posting that on a Bay Area blog is pretty trollish.

Carmelo Shmarmelo

by Reverend_Randy on Sep 3, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

not the biggest LA fan but it did crack me up a little.

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol....I am perfectly fine with pointing out mistakes, in fact I was going to say something about it as well

When you are trying to do so while looking like a total asshole…..

All of you Bay area writers are well known for making stuff up.
You are no exception

I wouldn’t call someone who played in all 82 games and averaged almost 18 mpg as little used. But then Bay area writers have a different view of the language then the rest of America. It must be the pollution fall-out from Berkeley.

Cheers from Los Angeles, the only great city in CA

The San Fransisco 49ers, where we got Dix, VD and Crabs!

by Badly Browned on Sep 3, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

More on Amir

Amir’s only major problem is that he gets into foul trouble. He’s actually a pretty good player if he can stay on the court. He naturally didn’t play much last season because he was backing up Bosh (and because of his foul trouble) but in the 12 games where he played at least 25 minutes, he averaged 13 points, 8.7 rebounds and 1.5 blocks with a .711 FG%. The field goal percentage is obviously unsustainable, but the other stats aren’t. And for what it’s worth, in the two games he faced the Warriors, he combined for 37 minutes, scored 22 points on 10 of 13 shooting, had 12 rebounds, 4 blocks and 2 steals.

The Raptors will almost certainly suck next season, but a lot of people are killing Colangelo about the Amir signing without actually doing a little bit of research about him. It seems this writer based his Amir comments entirely on his faulty memory.

by Scott Carefoot on Sep 3, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Minor correction

I quoted those stats in games from over 25 minutes from my blog, but missed the part where it’s over the past two seasons. Anyway, the point stands that he’s shown he can produce when he gets playing time and stays out of foul trouble.

by Scott Carefoot on Sep 3, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amir Johnson’s rate of production is pretty good after looking at his career per 36, and he has played well in limited samples where he got his minutes. But, it’s still a pretty limited sample. If he can somehow make that production consistent over the course of the next five years without fouling at such an alarming rate, it’ll be a good signing. If not, and there’s more indication based on his previous play that this is more likely to happen, the Raptors are doomed to pay almost $7 million a year for an “energy” guy akin to a better rebounding Ronny Turiaf.

by WYK on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amir's contract

Not sure what your definition of “almost $7 million a year”, but the actual contract (as reported by ShamSports) is 5 years, $30 million and the final year is only guaranteed for $5 million (he’ll earn $7 million in 2014-15 if he isn’t released). That means his contract is right around the mid-level exception and that’s a perfectly reasonable contract for a first big man off the bench and it could actually prove to be a decent value if he ends up cutting it as a starter.

As for the Turiaf comparison, Ronny had a PER of 12.6 last season while Amir had a PER of 16.7. That’s a pretty significant difference.

by Scott Carefoot on Sep 3, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

We had different figures then. The reported deal I saw awhile back was a 5-year $34 million deal, which is basically $6.8 million a year. I was basing my argument on that.

As for the Turiaf comparison, Ronny had a PER of 12.6 last season while Amir had a PER of 16.7. That’s a pretty significant difference.

I’ve never been a fan of PER as a measure of a player’s “effectiveness” or “contribution” to a team’s success, mostly because I’m never exactly sure what kind of information Hollinger puts into his “formula” to calculate it. I mean, this is the same guy who gives a scrub like Ian Mahinmi a PER of 21.7.

by WYK on Sep 3, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

About PER

Mahinmi played 165 minutes last season so all his numbers are pretty much impossible to take seriously. Amir Johnson played 1,453 minutes so his numbers shouldn’t be written off. If you don’t like PER, there’s also Win Shares which estimates the number of wins contributed by a player based on his offensive and defensive contributions. According to Basketball-Reference.com, Amir had 4.5 win shares last season, third-most on the Raptors even though he was seventh on the Raptors in minutes played. His win shares per 48 minutes was 0.150, which was actually better than anyone on the Warriors who played over 1,000 minutes — Maggette led your team at 0.145.

Amir is a very good defensive player, which along with his impressive offensive efficiency (.623 FG% last season) is why he shows so well in Win Shares. The question is whether he can be close to as effective on defense while also reducing his fouls so he can stay on the court. That question should be answered fairly quickly this season.

by Scott Carefoot on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

More on Amir

I will readily admit that I have a serious hoops crush on Amir Johnson, but the guy is awesome.
He’s an insanely good defender, he rebounds well, he doesn’t shoot often but when he does, it goes in. He knows his role, and he does it extremely well. He’s only flaw is that he gets into foul trouble pretty easily.

Here’s an venn diagram that I shared with Raptors HQ, and I figure I’ll share it here to, that shows how the Raptors played with various combinations of Amir, Bosh, and Barg on the court last year:

Long story short, Amir is awesome. Barg kinda blows.

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by philthiest on Sep 3, 2010 1:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice diagram!

I’m a visual dude and this definitely helps me ‘see’ his production with others.

I hope for the best from Amir Johnson, I love a Cali dude as much as the next. But i always hesitate to laud someone’s productivity in limited minutes. #s are hard to dispute, but I hold out on giving a player major praise if they’re mostly playing in spurts. This goes for Warrior players too.

Lets hope he proves everyone, myself included, wrong this season. I’m rooting for Toronto…it’s just a badass city!

by dj fuzzylogic on Sep 3, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raptor Person Here

Hey… I absolutely love the warriors regardless of your win-loss record. Totally fun to play against and watch, all that soap opera and I LOVE me some GSW whenever we visit. Raptors vs Golden State is fun and sometimes borders on the surreal. I loook forward to more of the same this season – but Toronto will be throwing a more athletic and balanced team at you – strength in numbers type thing.

Here is the low-down on Amir – He’s an awesome Dude; great work ethic; shows up all over the place, especially round the basket – and fouls out faster than you can say Sonny Weems…..

by Jenge on Sep 4, 2010 12:06 AM PDT reply actions  

You people also have to remember

that Amir Johnson is only 23 and has already played 5 years in the NBA. He’s earned his chance to be a big-minute player for the raps.

by dchoubak on Sep 6, 2010 12:44 AM PDT reply actions  

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