Are we still in of the Melo sweepstakes
by npandres on Jan 17, 2011 8:47 AM PST
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Early on when Carmelo was discussing his destination of preference as to where he would like to be traded , Carmelo mentioned the Golden State Warriors. Since then Ive watched New York and New Jersey take the lead in the so called Carmelo sweepstakes Or as ESPn is calling it " the indecision" (of course referencing to the whole Lebron Saga over the summer) . New jersey at the moment is the favorite to land carmelo according to countless reports from Espn.com and Si.com But i Believe that Carmelo still has great reservations about being shipped over to the Jersey shore . New York is Carmelos top choise but the knicks have very few bargaining chips to work with Denver to land the all-star ( Hows that cap clearing Method working out for you Donnie). Would it just be crazy for me to think that the warriors who are the preferred Team over the Nets and who in my opinion have the assets to get a deal done with the nuggets, can still pull out this so called "Forgone conclusion". As a warriors fan ive watched as our organization has been in supposed done deals only to see them not go throw ,most recently Joe lacob buying the warriors away from ellison at the 11th hour , Amar c coming over to the warriors on draft night only for the deal to fall out. My point is nothing is done till its done. Of course we would have to give up players that ive loved watching but that is the nature of the business .
My proposal is this Three Team Trade involving Warriors, Nuggets and 76ers
Monta ellis , D. Wright to Denver
A. Biedrins B. wright to 76ers
Carmelo Anthony , Elton Brandon to Warriors
via t1.gstatic.com
Why i think the teams go for it Denver gets i elite player and a very good role player while saving money
Why 76ers go for this trade Known fact that they are trying to clean their hands of Elton's contract they get a decent Center with a more flexible contract and a promising young player who if they choose not to keep has expiring contract
warriors get A all-star potential franchise changer player and a center who when motivated is a great player as well.
Nothing against Monta but with curry still being on the rookie salary and the money we would take in he of the the two duo was the only player to make the money work on this deal. Honestly though i feel like both stephen and monta want to get away from the questions that everyone is asking if they can play together especial Steph i can see it on his face ,Monta is having a great year but he is taking the role of point guard, the postion that Steph was supposed to have.
Trade works on the Espn machine and says warriors increase win total by 8 games Denver has no change and 76ers lose 8 although its more of a money saving move for them.
When else are we gna get a chance to get a player like this. Clippers are getting better suns are down so are the blazers lets make something happen
starting 5 for warriors
Elton,D.lee, Carmelo,Curry, Reggie Williams
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Starting 5 for Warriors: Elton, D. Lee, Carmelo, Curry, Reggie Williams
Er … defense, anyone?
I think Dwight Howard playing 1-on-5 could defend better than that bunch.
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You realy think Monta and Biedrins is a far superior defense over Carmelo and Elton ?yes we lose D wright and hes been good on D but not shut down. Oh and i think Elton Brand Guarding Dwight Howard is a much better match up then Beans
I think the team right now is terrible defensively.
I think Brand, ’Melo, and ReggieWTF is a pretty big defensive downgrade from Biedrins, Dorell and Monta.
Do. Not. Want.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
I dont our defence is horrible as it is why would you think that our same line up will be any better later on, lets try something different . Beans is a ghost some times on the floor,lets other players push him for position around the the glass like the lakers did And No matter how hard monta trys to play D Hes always at a disadvantage because hes giving up 4-5 inches to players like kobe
why would you think that our same line up will be any better later on
Er … where did I say that again? Read to achieve!
I agree that our current defense is bad. (Or should I say, you agree with me that our current defense is bad). I think the defense on your proposed team would be much, much worse. “Worse” = worse than “bad.” Not such a difficult concept to grasp.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Oh and when making this trade on espn trade machine , the program increased our win total by 8 games . Yes, its a terrible way to judge how a team would do in real life but its something .what prof do you have to say other wise ??
Where did I say had “proof”? I gave my opinion and presented it clearly as such (“I think…”) Reading comprehension, son.
I think your trade idea is terrible. (See salary discussion below for further details). There’s no need to take it personally.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
And where did i say you said you had proof? i offered my opinion and backed it up with a computer generated analysis of how the team would improve on wins . You just offered your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions their like a**holes everyone has one and every one thinks the other ones stink
Well, you asked me for proof. Actually, you asked me for “prof.” Would you like me to get GSoM regular Professor Evanz in here to explain to you why tying up 90% of our salary in David Lee, Carmelo Anthony, and Elton “Brandon” is almost certainly a poor idea?
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I would love that sir WOW MY first post on here and im already getting personal mentoring from the likes of Professor Evenz … I realy have made my mark .
No way, dude. My big brother is Elton Brandon.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Your first post on here
and you’ve already made yourself unpopular.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
A better word
would be respect. Making thoughtless and poorly written posts is going to lose you respect.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 20, 2011 3:03 AM PST up reply actions
HOw can i lose respect for stating my opinion and sticking by it . I guess i can get it by randomly putting down other peoples ideas while not contributing anything myself Kick rocks
Because
your opinions generally aren’t supported by facts. When you say thing that aren’t like “Elton Brand can play center”, you are expected to defend them and not just keep re-stating your opinion. That’s bad discussion. Elton Brand is worse defensively at the power forward spot than Andris Biedrins as a center. Typically, undersized power forwards have trouble guarding a position up. Hell, everybody has trouble guarding a position up. It’s just kind of something that is assumed to be true in basketball- it’s harder to guard guys who are 4" taller than you than guys that are your size. He gives us offense, but he weakens our defense, especially playing him alongside David Lee, who has a lot of the same weaknesses as him. Melo is also a defensive downgrade from Dorell Wright. Reggie Williams is debatably worse than Monta Ellis at defense. His defensive synergy numbers last year were awful.
Basically, if you don’t have proof, just stop posting. If your opinion doesn’t match up with the facts of the world, then change your opinion. You should be able to make a remotely cogent argument.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 20, 2011 3:43 AM PST up reply actions
im just saying you guys have not shown me anything to say our defence would be worse off other then telling me your opinions i acknowledged the PER is not the best way to measure a team but since we would never know unless they actually did make this trade thats the best analysis your gona get of how the team would do …unless you put it together on NBA live or somthing
im just saying you guys have not shown me anything to say our defence would be worse off other then telling me your opinions i acknowledged the PER is not the best way to measure a team but since we would never know unless they actually did make this trade thats the best analysis your gona get of how the team would do
Actually, no, that’s not the best analysis you’re going to get.
Well, maybe it is the best analysis you are going to get but if you think putting it together on NBA live is meaningful, then I can’t really help you.
Hes the nuggets most important player so id say a big part ..please if you think their is a more important player on their team please let me know
The thing is, it's not about your "most important" player -
- it’s about having 5-7 good players.
And Denver have had that. They’ve had Camby in a good year, Andre Miller when he was good. Nene. Chris Anderson had a hell of a year a couple of years back.
This doesn’t make Carmelo unimportant. But “best player” and “most important player” are not synonyms for “highest scorer.”
Nene’s TS% is almost .700. Are you kidding me? Yeah – it’s all about Carmelo.
WE should "just say no" to this idea.
Anyway Camelo would agree.
by Only In Fairfax on Jan 17, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
In answer to your question:
No.
Also, trading three of our starters (even if one is Biedrins) and getting two back, on a team with no depth, is only going to improve us if the one we get back is a truly elite player. Carmelo isn’t.
by Ronaldinho on Jan 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
i think this trade solves our problems at center , replaces our scoring for monta and gives us more size, allows curry the freedom to run the team and allows him to shine
Unfotunately, it doesn't.
This trade makes our interior defense worse. Brand’s floor right now is just as low as Biedrins, and his ceiling isn’t as high.
You replace Monta’s scoring with Carmelo’s, sure … but how do you replace Dorell? Giving Reggie Dorell’s minutes is a major downgrade on both ends of the floor.
Creating space for Curry? Carmelo makes Monta look unselfish and fluid. Carmelo is a iso-on-the-wing player who slows down his team’s offense.
i really hope you would reconsider your opinion as to Whos ceiling is higher i dont think Beans could ever reach Elton level unless he some how hit his head one day and freaky Friday style magically switched body’s with him.i dnt want curry to be the main offensive weapon clearly that would be melos job . i want curry to run the point which at this point monta is the one running the offence for a good part of the time .
Uh ...
I don’t expect Beidrins to ever be the offensive player Elton used to be.
But Elton is never going to be that player again, either. Brand’s offensive ceiling at this point in his career is a very average player. He was never anything special defensively, and he’s never been as good a rebounder as Beidrins.
Never been a better rebounder is that why Brand’s career high for rebounding for a year is 11.6 while beidrins is 11.2 a game. I dnt want to argue over numbers that arnt that different but your giving beans too much credit. Hes not the second coming of Jesus
Brand has played a ton more minutes per game than Biedrins, so it’s unfair to compare “per game” numbers.
Rebounds per 36 minutes, career
Brand 9.4
Biedrins 12.2
Obviously, Brand does a lot of things Biedrins doesn’t, but Biedrins is a much better rebounder. As a rebounder, Brand is as close to Corey Maggette as he is to Biedrins.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that’s true to an extent. But it doesn’t change the fact Biedrins is an excellent rebounder where Brand is a mediocre one. Biedrins plus 24 minutes of an average rebounding backup C is still much better than Brand plus 12 minutes of an average rebounding backup C .
What makes you think Brand is a center, anyway? Dude is 6’8".
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
what he lacks in height he makes up in girth and hes got alot of girth . im starting to like udoh ,im hoping he can eventually take over a center
by npandres on Jan 17, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol...
why u talkin bout brand’s circumference, i doubt thats relevent in any way.. haha
by bballinpacisler on Jan 18, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
He's an unathletic
6’8" power forward. He just doesn’t have the length to play center. He can’t challenge shots. If you were playing him alongside anyone not named David Lee, that might be okay.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 19, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Melo is overrated
We already hoy enough offensive power for us needing him.
by macdreboi on Jan 17, 2011 12:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't understand why people are trying to get him so early when they can get him in FA
Yes, there’s a possibility some other team will “whoo” him but I think he wants to be in the NY area since he’s from around there. They can’t wait a year or something? Giving up all this talent for a one-year rental is all bad.
We don't have the capspace for him
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 19, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
We're also not going to be able to get him as FA.
He’s going to NY unless the new CBA makes that impossible.
Melo is an outstanding player
and i would love to have him on our team. but the said truth is, are defense would suffer even worse than it already has
It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...
what? still in the hunt...were we ever in the hunt?
Early on when Carmelo was discussing his destination of preference as to where he would like to be traded , Carmelo mentioned the Golden State Warriors.
I missed that completely. Melo must’ve been talking about another franchise in the golden state?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
Yes, melo said he would like to go to the fallowing teams Clippers, Warriors, Rockets and Bobcats, Nets, oddly he did not mention the knicks until later you can check it on on
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/08/26/report-carmelo-anthony-wants-out-of-denver/
OK, for the sake of argument, let’s say we make this trade. Presumably you want ‘Melo for more than a half-season’s rental and are willing to give he the max extension (± $20M) he’s going to demand.
Between Brand, Lee, and Melo, you’ve now got three defensively-challenged 6’8"-6’9 forwards eating up roughly $50M of our payroll until 2013/14. The salary cap is currently $58M. How on earth does this plan make even a shred of sense?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
not to be mean, but...
dude, do you even read this stuff?
Your link goes to a secondary source, the original Yahoo article is here
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=ApaOlVfcr0hYAkEmgkq67E5nYcB?slug=aw-anthonynuggets082610
and you are making a Blake Griffin-esque leap of logic here.
Here is the quote that I assume you are referencing:
The Nuggets made it clear to teams they want young players and draft picks for Anthony, league executives said. The New Jersey Nets and Los Angeles Clippers have emerged as the two most probable destinations for Anthony because they have assets that appeal to Denver. The geography works for Anthony because of his wife LaLa Vazquez’s entertainment career.
Golden State and Houston are contenders, too. What’s more, the Charlotte Bobcats are a sleeper because of Anthony’s Brand Jordan shoe deal and the team’s ability to give the Nuggets a salary-dump proposal.
So yeah, we are right up there with Houston (what?) as one of Melo’s prefered destinations the teams that the Nuggets would like to fleece for draft picks and young talent
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 18, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Are we still in of the Melo sweepstakes?
I don’t know! Let’s go to the Trade Machine and find out!
Hitting 74 on the radar gun but hitting my spots.
by VidaWantsYourCar on Jan 17, 2011 6:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The Trade Machine is all knowing.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 17, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
don't look behind the curtain!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 18, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
i would be heartbroken with this trade.
i DO NOT WANT MELLOW. noooooooooooooooooooo!
I'm not one to be a grammar nazi
And I usually am annoyed by said nazis, but OP’s post and responses have not only lacked substance, but are littered with grammatical and spelling errors.
/soapbox
I feel like I’ve read this exact fanpost, and this exact thread of comments, like 10 times already….
Ned… Ryerson. “Needlenose Ned”? “Ned the Head”? C’mon, buddy. Case Western High! Ned Ryerson!…
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 18, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice reference
good movie
he totally made Ned’s day (finally)
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 18, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Whenever I hear about ‘Melo coming to the Warriors, I kind of like the idea, due to "Melo’s toughness and clutch shooting. But then I realize that Dorell is a more consistently good defender and has much better 3-point shooting. I also think, “Ya’ know, Dorell is like 80X cheaper than ’Melo. Why did I like this idea again?”
Bottom line, horrible idea to get ‘Melo. What we need is a top-tier big man and perhaps a 2 that can defend the better 2’s in the league.
If our goal is a championship, ’Melo is a horrible idea.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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