Recap #41: Golden State Warriors 110, Indiana Pacers 108 - Monta Ellis FTW! Dorell Wright Plays Well Against Danny Granger
Monta celebrates with Acie and Reggie after hitting the game-winning shot.
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It's been nearly an hour after Monta Ellis (36 points, 16-for-28 from the field) crossed Brandon Rush from about 18 feet away and drilled a fading jumper with the clock stopping with 0.6 seconds left in the game, to give the Golden State Warriors an eventual 110-108 win over the Indiana Pacers, and I still don't see any video of Monta's shot anywhere on the national sites.
His heroic game-winning jumper (hit the jump for the highlight from CSN) is nowhere to be seen on NBA.com, ESPN, or Yahoo. I sure hope this does not portend his chances for the coaches' vote of the Western Conference All-Star non-starters.
Anyone know what kind of celebration David Lee was embarking on?
Yet another Warriors game started off with the opponent getting dunks and putback dunks, as (gulp) Josh McRoberts and Tyler Hansbrough started things off with beasty slams. Monta started off by dishing the ball (4 assists by halftime), and Dorell Wright stepped up to the challenge going mano y mano with Danny Granger, with 11 first-half points.
Paul George got an uncontested putback near the Q3 buzzer, but Acie Law got the inbound with 3 seconds left and heaved a 40-footer after crossing halfcourt, and the shot trickled in to put the Warriors down two heading into the 4th. But the Pacers took a 91-83 lead and with about three-fourths of the 4th quarter remaining, Brandan Wright was summoned into the game... (roll the suspenseful music)
I'll let my live-tweets from @nbalivetweet do the rest as we pick things up in the 4th quarter when B-Wright entered...
Pacers now up 91-83. Brandan Wright reverse LH layup via Acie Law.
Granger easily by Vladimir Radmanovich but B.Wright blocks Grangers stop and spin fade. Then Monta backrims a nice drive but B.Wright gets putback.
Monta jumper pull up 17' good. Pacers call timeout, up 91-89 on Warriors. Monta 30 pts 5 reb 4 ast, Dorell 21 pts 4 stl. Granger 25pts 9reb.
Nice observation by Barnett: Acie Law putting pressure up high on Darren Collison.
Mike Dunleavy scores off catch n fade in front of screen. Acie Law trey?! Wow.
#leaguepassalert Warriors 96, Pacers 95 Q4, 6:45. Brandan Wright coming alive. Monta 32, Granger 25.
Granger long j gives him 27 pts. Monta steal via B.Wright deflection. Crossover stepback Monta on Dunleavy is too hard off rim. Timeout.
There's the Jim O'Brien system at work. Pick n roll with Jeff Foster and Dunleavy leads to parting of red sea, foul. Foster makes both FTs.
Reggie Williams bricking tonite. Nice double swing pass rotation wasted. He was open. Warriors force shotclock violation.
Dorell had gotten a brief sub but he's back now. But not because he wasn't at table in time. Approaching 4:30.
Acie Law came ready to play today. Threads needle to D.Lee who got fouled, makes first misses second. Granger open trey L corner good.
Collison assist there. D.Lee straightaway J good. B.Wright rebounds Pacers miss. Monta turnover on pass to D.Lee at baseline falling out.
D.Lee foul on defensive rebound, Granger gets FTs on what's called shooting foul. Pacers 103, Warriors 99. Granger has 32. D.Lee R j good.
Collison L elbow j good. D.Lee gets feed L elbow from Monta, fouled by Foster. FTs coming up. Timeout. Pacers 105, Warriors 101, 2:41.
Wow, just checked the stats and Jeff Foster has 15 rebounds.
D.Lee hits both. Here we go.
Monta draws a charge on the Foster slip. The play that I wrote about in the preview today!
Monta short on the RH layup, D.Lee deflects and B.Wright picks it up, gets fouled. Side out. Monta faces up and scores a swish J from 18'.
Collison slides pivot foot after stopping on Stephen Curry R elbow. Turnover! D.Lee misses open J straight. Dunleavy trey no good. D.Lee boxes out.
Foster called for the over the back. Amazingly Barnett is arguing in Foster's favor, clearly a foul on Foster. D.Lee makes one of two.
Foster slips the high PNR on Dorell to free Granger on the dribble but Granger throws it away!
D.Lee offensive rebound off beautiful LH hesitation dribble but miss front rim by Monta. Curry RH drive off backboard good on Collison!
Timeout O'Brien. Warriors 108, Pacers 105, 0:21 left.
Collison drives RH after Granger clears out and Curry fouls him for an and-one!
Collison at 90% free throw shooting makes it. Warriors 108, Pacers 108, 18.1 ticks left. What is it with Curry and and-ones
Would be a safe bet if Stephen Curry leads the league in and-one fouls committed. SMH.
MONTA ELLIS DRILLS A CROSSOVER J LEFT SIDE ON BRANDON RUSH. 0:00.6 remaining, Warriors 110, Pacers 108.
OMG what did Barnett have for dinner? He's suggesting a pass back to inbounder for a trey with only 0.6 left. LOL
Dorell Wright breaks up a nice lob attempt to Hansbrough mano y mano under the hoop. Warriors win 110-108.
Monta Ellis 36 pts on 16-for-28 from the field, 5 reb, 6 ast.
Other Highlights:
- Roy Hibbert out with upper respiratory infection, and B-Wright's flashes: Not that an opponent missing a game is a highlight, but yes, I'm suggesting a casual effect. With Hibbert out, B-Wright was the more mobile big man than the Hansbrough-Foster tandem, and he got to the ball on many occasion. B-Wright earned the clutch minutes down the stretch. Hats off. Let's hope he can build on this. Btw, Lou Amundson left the game in the first half with a left ankle sprain.
- Acie Law's quality minutes: He was hitting treys tonight! And dishing! And not losing the ball. That's what you want from your backup point, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Nice game.
- Dorell's O: Dorell played the whole first half and then some. He only got a brief break in the 4th. That's Smart having confidence in him. Maybe Smart knew it was a big-time matchup too. There were also plays where Dorell didn't settle for the trey. Once he was so, so, so open but he passed up a shot that was open for as long as maybe 2 seconds, before taking a nice long step towards the hoop, making a swing pass which eventually ended with a three-pointer. Another time, he stopped on a fastbreak at the free throw line elbow and didn't force it, although he did give up his dribble (not his strong point, of course). Jim Barnett wasn't happy with the play, but I was. He didn't do his lame Dwyane Wade-inspired fake-and-draw-contact and, most importantly, he didn't turn it over and eventually passed it to the point guard. This shows me that Dorell is starting to think out there rather than just play on instinct (and shoot every open trey).
- Dorell's D on Granger: Granted, Granger scored 32 points, grabbed 13 rebounds, and collected 6 assists, but Dorell wasn't guarding him the whole time. In fact, when Dunleavy and Granger were on the floor at the same time, Dorell was often covering Dunleavy. Granger actually had a nice blocked shot on Dorell on a fastbreak. But Dorell also poked the ball out from Granger's post up. All in all, a pretty decent game by Dorell on the defensive end. Sure, Dorell isn't at that level where he can be a stopper, but let's remember that Granger was an All-Star in 2009.
- Granger: Just a really versatile player. He was on tonight, hitting threes and getting to the rim. Always in control as far as body language is concerned. However, he did tally 7 turnovers.
- O'Brien's chess-piece moving: Neither Solomon Jones, TJ Ford, or James Posey saw any action. I'm puzzled by this. Especially with Hibbert out, how can "Solo", the better offensive player amongst Foster and Hansbrough, have zero minutes? Posey would seem well-suited for the fast pace, as far as gunnin' is concerned. And Ford is faster than AJ Price, but then again Price had a +20. In any case, definitely a highlight for the Warriors as none of these weapons were utilized by the Pacers.
- Mike Dunleavy: The Oracle crowd, not surprisingly, booed him and he missed a critical trey attempt off back iron late in the game (whew!).
- Steph's and-one foul shows is roller-coaster style again: Another defensive gaffe by Steph. First, he takes Collison off dribble right side lane and banks in a shot that puts the Warriors up 108-105 with 23.1 ticks left. Then out of the timeout, Collison takes Steph off dribble right side lane and Collison converts the layup, but Steph fouls him after Collison's already past him and about to make the bucket. This is turning into a disease!
- Reggie Williams shooting blanks: 'Nuff said. Zero spark tonight.
- Ekpe Udoh: Not enough playing time. Did box out well on one play.
- Post-game reaction on Monta's buzzer-beater: Little to none outside of the Bay Area and Indianapolis (Indy Corn Rows at that). I also noticed that the Warriors will play the Phoenix Suns on Feb 7th and 10th. That might be a good time for Monta to bust out a couple strong games with perennial All-Star Steve Nash also on the floor.
- Jim Barnett: Just an off night for the ol' fella. First, on a rebound of a Pacers miss, David Lee was manhandled and, as Fitz put it, nearly put in a headlock by Foster. The whole time, Barnett is thinking Foster had nowhere else to fall and was entitled to do that. "What else was he supposed to do?" Fitz's jaw must have dropped. It was like role reversal, only reversed. Freaky Friday or whatever that movie was where the mom and the daughter switched bodies. You know, the homer play-by-play guy and the even-keeled color guy, switched, except he's no longer a homer, he's rooting for the visiting team. I don't know.
- Jim Barnett, part two: So with 0.6 seconds left after Monta's jumper, Barnett suggests that the Pacers run a play where they pass back to the inbounder for a three-pointer. Dude, in oh-point-six seconds? LMFAO! What in blazes did he have for dinner?!
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I saw that
probably could have been a little higher. Also- they had a pretty mediocre alley oop on the list but left off Dorell. That bugged me.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 20, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
just watched that top 10 again
whoever cut it was high. Bad goal-tending (NHL) was #4. A barely-dunked alley-oop was #3. And Blake Griffin walking into a dunk was #2
ESPN...
…is on Blake Griffin’s jock strap! He is beastin right now but they’re overdoing it a little bit.
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Can’t even get a front page mention on ESPN this morning….
Totally lame. Stupid East Coast Sports Network…
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah that. I actually use Eastcoast (one word) instead of Eastern.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Curry had a nice third quarter
Monta had a great game.
Besides that retarded foul that Steph had I think he is slowly getting the hang of not being such a noob with turnovers.
Curry played good D all night
I was worried about Collison going off, but he was pretty much a non-factor (some props probably go to Acie Law here too)
Collison:
5-11 FG, 1 board, 5 asts, 4 TOs
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
He had 2 terrible defense sequences
Collison got right by him and DW had to come out leaving DG wide open, then he fouled Collison….
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Point guards get beat all the time
players get beat all the time, really.
The biggest problem with that last play was the lack of help D.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 21, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
It tends to happen to our wings more than most. And then of course we don’t make Celtics/Spurs/Bulls quality rotations….
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
still, just a stupid, stupid foul
The biggest problem with that last play was the lack of help D.
No, the biggest problem with that play is that Steph made a bone-headed play. You should really avoid the foul at that point, no question. You are already beat, not a good shot-blocker, and the basket does not give up your lead!
Funny because Curry seems so fundamentally sound in other aspects
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
No, the biggest problem with that play is that Steph made a bone-headed play.
It was a bad foul, absolutely. But I think people are being a little unrealistic about what it’s possible or reasonable to ask a player to do. If you’re not going to ask Steph to play matador defense (“when he drives, just let him go”) you’re asking him to straddle a very fine line.
I think it makes more sense to talk about “boneheaded” plays as being stupid reach-ins when there’s no threat. It’s a hard thing to do to ask someone to play solid defense and then, once you’re beat, stop.
Maybe telling him to play matador defense on that possession was the right call, although it’s not one I’m generally a fan of.
It was a bad foul and you want him to recognize the situation and let the guy go. But people on this board are talking about it like its a Chris Webber timeout. It’s not. It’s an understandable mistake in the heat of battle.
I think
David Lee was trying to make sure the guys stayed on the bench because there was still time on the clock, otherwise I have no idea what that was…
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Acie Law was not a highlight. I liked your recap besides that.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 20, 2011 12:24 AM PST reply actions
he was so a highlight
I don’t really like the guy, but he played solid at the backup point. We lost a lot of momentum at the end of the 3rd quarter, and that buzzer beater he hit put us within 2 again. Best I’ve seen him play since his college days, and Collison is a great defender. .
Heh
Despite Acie’s “highlight” game, he was -14 on the floor.
Acie is just a warm body that gives Curry rest, except Smart thinks Acie can actually contribute.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
He's our best option at the backup pg
Not the greatest, but much more than a warm body.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
He is our best option as backup PG, but that doesn’t mean he can contribute in a positive way.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
here is the best highlight from the game

LOL@ Dunleavy getting posterized by his own team mate
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I love the faces Hansborough and Dunleavy are making. That’s actually a really awesome picture.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
That’s so messed up. LOL And right in Oracle, where he was already getting boo’d. So messed up. But also hilarious.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Haha
That’s a throwback to one of the things that I used to love about this site. Dunleavy is good for a picture like this every other game, and Atma would always find the most ridiculous of them.
sorry for the cross-posting, but MB laid this gem down in another thread

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 21, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
A triumph of players over coaching.
I was screaming at my TV in the last five minutes – either pissed off at Smart of thrilled by the quality of the plays the guys on the floor made.
On Monta’s great shot, anybody else notice what a horrible job of play calling that was? You have a timeout. You’ve got a chance to set up a crucial final shot … and the best you can do is put Monta at the circle, with no help, and expect him to hit a leaning-back contested jumper over a taller player?
That was horrible coaching. I’m fine with running the final shot for Monta, who’s been playing great this homestand. And mad props to Monta for making a difficult shot. But if that’s the best final shot you can come up with, coach, you don’t belong in the NBA. You have time to run whatever play you want, run a play to get a high-percentage shot. The fact that Monta made a low-percentage shot shouldn’t excuse the coach for not getting him a better one. If Monta had missed it, people would wrongly be calling him a choker, but the coach didn’t put him in a position to succeed.
Similarly, on our penultimate defensive possession. Everybody’s going to get on Curry for the foul, but it actually doesn’t bug me. He was playing hard defense to stay ahead of his man, and it’s really hard to calibrate that right. Yes, he should have pulled back at the last moment … but that’s a hard play to do. I’m okay with the occasionnal foul caused by guys trying hard on defense. No, you know what the problem was?
Where was the freakin’ help?
In the game thread, somebody criticized Monta for not doubling, but that’s not correct. Monta was guarding a wing player, and in that situation you’re coached not to leave the wing player for a three. No, instead, the big man is supposed to come seal off the penetration. It’s too bad we don’t have a good, mobile big man who’s been providing solid help defense lately, and had even managed three blocks so far that game …
Oh, wait. We do. But he was on the bench. If you’re so terrified of the hack-a-beans, tell Biedrins to call TO the second he gets the ball on a rebound. Truth is, worst-case scenario is that Beidrins gets a rebound and gets fouled before he can call a TO, gacks both FTs … and guess what, we’re still up by three with less time on the clock!
Brandan “Brandon” Wright’s play raises another question mark about Smart. He was great total. Lots of energy. Good hustle on defense. Good rebounding. And this guy has been on the bench all season so we could play Vlad at PF? Excuse me? Again, lots of questions about Smart today. He could have cost us this game a couple of times over if Curry, Lee, and Monta didn’t step up in the final minutes.
Curry’s drive-and-bank-shot (what were people saying about how Curry didn’t know how to take it to the hole on a drive?). Lee with a crucial offensive rebound. And then Monta’s shot. Again, that’s just a brutally difficult shot, so Monta deserves a lot of credit.
But why, on a team with Monta, Curry, and Lee, is that your final offensive play? Just f’ing horrible. Ug.
by Ronaldinho on Jan 20, 2011 12:28 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
they run that same "play" at the end of every quarter/game
monta iso’d at the top, clear out. i wish they’d run curry off a double screen or something like monty used to do with jrich. they definitely need to work on being more versatile with their end-game playcalling, but it’s definitely not a new issue.
I think curry’s foul was just bad, no real way to explain it away. Hard defense is good, but you don’t go for the blocked shot there. Having help D, even if it was Biedrins, is a nonissue here because it’s not like Curry was beat and hacking to compensate. If that had been the case, then weakside help D would be effective cuz the helper would be the immediate player between shooter and the basket. But Curry had good position, he just made a mental error in going for the shot.
I thought BWright did great. After all the drama, he needed to keep himself mentally sharp so he could seize an advantageous moment like this, and he did. Dono if Smart should actually be credited for this, but the prolonged time in the doghouse has wiped away BWright’s pouty petulance and has made him into a hungry player. Maybe this hunger was brought out in a painful way, but there was just such an annoying sense of entitlement with the guy during the summer and the beginning of this season. I hope to see a focused, determined BWright win some hard-earned playing time, and I hope the coaching staff will slowly show him the respect he craves while not making him big-headed.
I think that spurt in the 4th quarter where Monta was in and Curry wasn’t should have been more equally spaced out in terms of rest time. Monta was shooting at such a high clip but he seemed gassed going into the 4th. Smart should have distributed the rest more evenly between the two. You could see it in Monta’s play that his legs were giving out especially in missing easy (for him) layups. I was surprised to see him elevate so high and get so much under that last shot. BUt as Barnett has been saying, Monta is realllly comfortable shooting his J from the left.
Great to see Curry and Ellis making such huge shots in clutch time situations.
Goal: 8 seed!
by dso on Jan 20, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One thing about Monta’s jumper – you can tell when he’s shooting it right and when he’s not. Getting great elevation, and then good lift on his shot, are crucial for him. He looked to be doing a good job of that last night, and definitely did on that last shot. Other times he doesn’t get the same elevation, which is easy to see, or he shoots with a more catapult-like motion and doesn’t get good lift on the shot, and that’s when he starts to miss.
but there was just such an annoying sense of entitlement with the guy during the summer and the beginning of this season
This caught me by surprise. What made you think that?
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
Truth is, worst-case scenario is that Beidrins gets a rebound and gets fouled before he can call a TO, gacks both FTs
No, no, no… the worst case scenario is that by doing this more often Beans might actually get his confidence and good shooting form back… which apparently does not bode well… idk for whom.
Seriously, Biedrins is not going to die and these are not the playoffs. In 5pt-or-less diff. situations – okay, don’t put him in. More than 5pt – do it! He should get hacked. A lot! I think that by making him go through those kind of situations can only help him, he’s not a little girl or a butterfly, he shouldn’t perish by getting fouled and being forced to throw FT’s.
GEEZ!
THE SKY! THE SKY IS FALLING!
by chickenlittle on Jan 20, 2011 2:16 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Smart implied why Brandan doesn’t play much, and that is due to his inability to defend the post. Because his man was Foster, a non-threat, Smart felt Brandan’s weakness on defense would not be an issue. Still, after this game, perhaps will see more Brandan Wright. I love watching that dude play. Very exciting.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Pretty much agree with all of that.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 20, 2011 5:39 AM PST up reply actions
On Monta’s great shot, anybody else notice what a horrible job of play calling that was?
First thing I noticed when I watched the highlight this morning. I already knew he hit it, but it still made me cringe that it was just a one on one iso.
But if that’s the best final shot you can come up with, coach, you don’t belong in the NBA.
Sadly, it doesn’t appear to be that uncommon among NBA coaches…
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 6:57 AM PST up reply actions
I think coaches go with the “put the ball in the hands of my best player” approach because it takes the pressure off them entirely. Make or miss, the coach won’t be culpable. It is a total cop-out, but let’s remember that these are people trying to keep their jobs, just like everyone else.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
I agree that’s part of it. I also think a kind of herd mentality has taken hold, though, where people now think the team’s best player has to take the last shot. You hear it from coaches, players, pundits, etc all the time. The word “closer” has entered the basketball lexicon the last few years. It’s a whole mentality, apparently. I find the idea of a “closer” ridiculous and stupid for basketball.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a freaking team sport, you know? It’s not about an individual doing something, it’s about the team getting the best possible outcome, and it doesn’t matter who’s responsible.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
It may be a team sport in a vacuum. It is most certainly an individual sport when you look at the way the game is marketed today.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Yeah, marketed for sure, but ont he floor, it’s still a team game, and a team is at it’s best when they play that way.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it's a total cop out
The other part of that equation is that the best player usually WANTS to take the last shot, RELISHES taking the last shot, and will not crumble or even hesitate under the pressure of having the entire game hang on that last shot (or even a ast pass if there is one to be made). If a player wants that last shot, then let him go for it. The player will respect the coach for having confidence in him to finish the game.
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
…and that’s the point. The coach knows the player wants to take the last shot, and so he can avoid all criticism from outside and look good to his players. It’s like the sports equivalent of paying a mortgage broker based on how many deals he can close. It is isn’t actually good for anyone.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not convinced that “avoiding criticism” is a motivation for letting their best player take the last shot. If avoiding criticism was a factor in deciding what plays to run, then coaches wouldn’t bother telling their players what offensive and defensive schemes to run during the rest of the game. He can simply say “Well my players didn’t want to double team, so that’s why they went on a run”.
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
But you're setting up a false dichotomy:
Between “running a play” and “letting the best player take the last shot.”
You can run a play for Monta to take the last shot.
But then you’re criticized for not coaching enough!
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
That’s all well and good, but not worth the trade off in wins that accompanies it.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Remember LeBron in the playoffs? He decided to pass to an open Donyell Marshall, who missed the game clincher, and everyone jumped on LBJ for lacking a killer mentality and not taking the shot. The next year (or was it the year before?) he took it hard to the hole, missed and lost the game, and everyone jumped on him for that.
It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Can’t win like that, just can’t.
I'll never criticize a player for making the smart play -
- and I don’t think any good coach will, either.
The only people who were jumping on LeBron for passing to an open guy were media blowhards who needed something to yammer about.
Right, of course the media is dumb and going to criticize no matter what. Just make the decision that leads to the most wins, which means getting the team the highest percentage shot possible.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I don't have a problem designing a play for Monta in that situation.
Just, you know, actually design a play.
Don’t just give him the ball and have everybody else stand around.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
Looking at the last play again, it looked like there were at least some options available.
During the “milking clock” period, DWright ran across the court from the left side towards the right side, and it looks like he signaled for Curry to move from the right corner to the right wing, then DWright decided to take the right wing and signaled Curry to stand back in the right corner. So to me, it looked like those 2 players were stationed there to allow for Monta drive and kick opportunties had Monta managed to drive right and suck in DWright and Curry’s defenders.
Monta stepped right, and his defender also stepped right. I guess Monta felt wouldn’t get an advantage driving right, or he felt that DWright and Curry’s defenders weren’t biting to double team or block the drive, or maybe Monta really really really really wanted the last shot. Whatever the reason, he crossed over to the left to take the shot at the top left corner paint.
So yeah, I do understand your criticism about not running a play to set up Monta. But I think there was more to that last play than a simple Monta iso with everyone else standing around.
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Simple iso’s do entail what you’re describing, though. They all have more options than just the ballhandler shooting…
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
that’s all the counterpoints I can think of at this point.
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
During the "milking clock" period, DWright ran across the court from the left side towards the right side, and it looks like he signaled for Curry to move from the right corner to the right wing, then DWright decided to take the right wing and signaled Curry to stand back in the right corner. So to me, it looked like those 2 players were stationed there to allow for Monta drive and kick opportunties had Monta managed to drive right and suck in DWright and Curry’s defenders.
I’m looking at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2VjxLycyVI&feature=player_embedded
Same clip as used in the fanshot. There is some motion as the players get into position. It ends at about 12.5 seconds left on the game clock. Then everybody is standing around – doing nothing – until Monta starts his move. Nearly 10 seconds pass. THe defense is set.
The spacing is not a problem. It’s good spacing. But a good play design would have those players getting into spacing like that as Monta was going into his move, with the addition of some sort of motion to make Monta’s defender have to do something more than just keep both his eyes on Monta.
I guess Monta felt wouldn’t get an advantage driving right, or he felt that DWright and Curry’s defenders weren’t biting to double team or block the drive, or maybe Monta really really really really wanted the last shot. Whatever the reason, he crossed over to the left to take the shot at the top left corner paint.
If you bring Lee out to screen, or even to look like he’s going to screen, then all of a sudden Monta’s defender can’t just be focused on Monta. He’s got to be aware of where the screen is. And if he ever takes his eyes of Monta, well, Monta is really good at exploiting moments like that to get to the rim.
Good analysis
I can think of no counterargument to this.
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I got a counterargument
What if Lee, like falls over for no reason at Monta’s feet…srsly, it happens
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 21, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's far more likely that Monta is going to miss a contested midrange jumper over a taller player -
- than that some flukish random thing is going to happen.
rare sign of NBA respect
Monta’s GW is the number 1 play in NBA.com’s top 10! savor the rare air of national recognition!
Very entertaining game… but we are in such a strange situation. The team clearly plays better when Curry is on the floor and he seems to be the only one that pushes the ball quickly for easy transition baskets. However, Monta Ellis carries such a huge scoring load, especially when our bench can’t hit anything in the arena… I’m starting to think you can’t really trade either of them right now…. but the defense is so bad sometimes…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 20, 2011 1:02 AM PST reply actions
I'm not a SMart hater but,
as long as we’re going to criticize coaching, I might as well throw in my 2 cents:
1. Most obvious coaching error was the wholesale substitution in the 2nd quarter that led us to being down by 11. Now, I can understand the hockey-line-change mentality behind it, but if you’re going to do that you have to run Curry with them, not Ellis or DWright or Lee. Curry loves making mediocre players better, whereas Ellis feels the need to dominate to compensate for their badness and Wright is just clueless. One could argue that his entire career at Davidson + last year serves as example of this tendency.
2. 3rd Quarter Lineup Management. Our starting lineup was running circles around INdiana’s for the first 7 minutes of the 3rd quarter. However, they were playing at an intensity that was clearly unsustainable, and Smart should have started rotating reserves in, especially for the bigs. Biedrins needed to be subbed out about 6 minutes in; he left him in too long, Beans got tired and then picked up two quick fouls. THat being said, even if it was a bit of a desperation move, inserting Brandan was an awesome, awesome play and Indiana had no answer for his length and energy off the bench.
That’s about it. Overall I thought the game time strategy wasnt too bad. I thought our players played great, which I’m going to point out from off the top of my head:
- Lee’s hook shot. Though still horrendously soft and short armed (a bit jamison like), he’s making it at a more consistent, dependable rate.
- Lee’s jumper. Money.
- DWright taking things personal against Granger in the 3rd quarter. Awesome. Too bad he couldnt two hand that dunk over granger to really drive his point home. You could tell he really wanted that by his complaining after.
- Ellis’s 2nd quarter burst. The team needed him to take over there and he did. And he did it so efficiently. A rested Ellis, I believe, can play like that more often.
- Biedrins. Just… I’ve been saying this for a while but even if it doesnt show up stats-wise, Biedrins is such a positive force for us. The only comparable player we have in terms of effecting D and Rebounding is BWright, but he still doesn’t have that heft that Beans does. Beans was awesome today… actually he’s been good for the past 5 games imo if you disregard offensive output.
- Curry. Great all around game, could have used more 4th quarter minutes. Really wanted to point out his rebounding in the 3rd quarter though. Unbelievable. He grabbed like 3 straight defensive rebounds over the Indiana front line and just ran it from there. Also wanted to point out the inside dish he made to Ellis in the third quarter. Pardon me if i’m wrong, but I think it’s the first time Curry has connected with Ellis for an inside score. The two have always drifted on opposite sides of the perimeter, but for one brief moment the two showed great offensive chemistry.
overall great game, great win. :)
Goal: 8 seed!
i was screaming at my TV when he made the full lineup substitution...
and didn’t slowly switch people in in the 1st…terrible coaching
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he really wanted the rejects to do well
gave them a pretty long leash too, only to watch them choke on it
Goal: 8 seed!
Curry has had a couple inside dishes to Ellis
But really props to Curry, he brought his PG hat tonight, and he was amazing in that 3rd Qtr.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Curry. Great all around game, could have used more 4th quarter minutes. Really wanted to point out his rebounding in the 3rd quarter though. Unbelievable. He grabbed like 3 straight defensive rebounds over the Indiana front line and just ran it from there.
Yeah, but who cares about guards rebounding? :)
This game
puts a stamp on who the best player on this team is. Monta just demanded it. Curry’s defense has to rank amongst the worst of all time.
by illmaticwarrior on Jan 20, 2011 1:14 AM PST reply actions
i thought curry's d was pretty good today
he only got blown by once and then he had that huge mental mistake in the 4th. Everything else was pretty good. He had a steal that was really nice where he didnt gamble and was still able to reach the ball. ANd his rebounding was amazing in the 3rd.
I think Curry’s layup was just as clutch as Ellis’s jumper tbh. You have to remember that shot came right after Ellis missed one badly.
I’d pay good money to watch an Ellis vs Curry 1v1
Goal: 8 seed!
no good
ellis would just blow by curry everytime :(
curry only needs an inch though to pull off his J
and he can shoot it from a lot of different angles and momentums. Ellis needs to swing his momentum under every J. Also, Curry’s really underrated in terms of converting inside; he’s got a good arsenal of floaters/spin moves
Goal: 8 seed!
To be fair, Ellis blows by a lot of people a lot of the time….
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
How come...
… you didn’t preface this post with “Curry is my favorite player”…. ?
by warriorsablaze on Jan 20, 2011 2:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wha?
Based on what exactly? Maybe I was watching a different game, but I thought he was reasonable on D tonight.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 20, 2011 5:40 AM PST up reply actions
Troll-matic: I think it’s clear to everyone that you’re not interested in serious dialogue here. Your last 20+ posts here (I lost count) have all been one-liner variations on the theme of “Curry sucks and Monta rules.” But in the interests of fairness, let’s set aside the lame Monta v. Curry “debate,” and focus on Curry’s performance. He’s had his share of mistake-filled games this season, but this was not one of them.
11 points on 10 fga, 4 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover, 2 fouls.
Anecdotally, with the exception of that dumb touch foul, Curry played very solid D on Collison (5-11 fg, 5 assists, 4 turnovers). And then there’s this:
• The Warriors were +17 in the 33 minutes Curry played.
• The Warriors were -15 in the 15 minutes Curry didn’t.
And since plus/minus is pretty sketchy in one-game samples: Curry is +5.9 on the season. That’s tied for best on the team among regular players, with David Lee.
And since plus/minus is pretty sketchy when not supported by the other numbers: it should be noted that with respect to last season, Curry has improved his scoring volume, improved his scoring efficiency, and improved his assist rate while keeping his turnover rate constant. The only areas where he’s backslid a bit are rebounding and foul rate.
I know you won’t address any of these facts, ‘cos, like, that’s not what trolls do. One gentle request, tho’: if you’re going to keep intoning silly things like “Curry has to go” and “worst of all time,” could you please not insult posters’ intelligence by saying “Curry is my favorite player”? A bald-faced lying troll is a lot worse than a garden-variety troll.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 20, 2011 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
...
On a conciliatory note (not to obvious trolls like illmatic, but to the sincere Monta fans on this site) I should say that I’ve been loving Monta’s play the last couple weeks, and for most of this season. I think the All-Star nod is kind of a silly thing to worry about, but by most objective standards of “All-Star,” Monta totally qualifies, imho.
25.9 ppg on .556 TS
5.6 assists per game
2.3 steals per game
Plus…
• Spiritual and emotional leader of an (almost) .500 team.
• Lots o’ thrilling “drunken top”™ highlight reel drives
• No games missed and 41 minutes per game, despite taking a beating on many of those drunken top drives
• One buzzer-beating game-winning shot
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm … All-Star!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 20, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
Well, you know -
- if Monta had been playing the whole season like he’s been playing on this homestand, I don’t think you’d get any GSOMers arguing about his all-star credentials. He has been on fire.
The argument against his all-star candidacy has a lot more to do with November and December, particularly on the road (where his TS% is a painful .507 for the season).
I hope that is a function of the injuries and Monta’s clear tendency to try to do too much on his own when Curry and/or Lee aren’t around, and thus we won’t see more of it.
(On the all-star thing, ultimately, to me, it’s not about stats. Its if you’re one of the best 5 guards in the west. The way Monta is playing now, he might qualify. When you look at the whole season? Not so much).
by Ronaldinho on Jan 20, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Monta hates to travel
Seems like he plays waaaay better at Oracle.
I bet this nice home stretch will only strengthen the “Monta as all-star” case
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Well said, Sleepy
Let’s not forget about how many bone-headed fouls Monta has given to close out quarters and how many times Monta gets left in the dust.
We can hope that through time, they will both decrease the amount of dumb plays like that (I’m going guess it’s one of those abilities that you can acquire after your prime…hehe).
But, what basically, what we see is what we’ll get: two guys who are highly skilled offensive guards, that gamble on defense (because what else can they do?), who are relatively efficient (as an aggregate), and who are starting to learn how to hit big shots.
Remember, Curry’s shot before his stupid And 1 he gave up was what I would call, “clutch.”
by Doctor Kajita on Jan 20, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
what we see is what we’ll get: two guys who are highly skilled offensive guards, that gamble on defense (because what else can they do?), who are relatively efficient (as an aggregate), and who are starting to learn how to hit big shots.
I don’t think it is a secret around here that I have been advocating sticking with Monta and Steph…these guys are both such unique talents, that all we need to do is figure out how to allow them to stay on the court together. And as currently constructed, I think the Dubs actually have the correct framework in place. Sure, we could use a little more D, but man oh man! Monta and Steph went out and won this game
great victory
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
It’s really a match up concern. On many or most nights, we’re not worried about having two small guards. However, if we want to get through the playoffs, if we don’t get lit up from the 2-guard position, we’ll almost certainly want to change our personnel. Just a fact. Not saying I’m happy with that, as I love both Curry and Monta, but at some point, we may have to make a big move.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
yeah, I know...
It’s really a match up concern
Rush was pretty much a non-factor last night, and Curry limited what Collison was able to do
I think I will worry about the playoffs once the Dubs get there. If we win enough to even make the playoffs this year, I’ll be ecstatic. And at that point, I would probably want to keep the lineup together to see how they can do with another year of experience playing together
But I do see the (extremely valid) concern that our backcourt is too small and plays pretty horrid defense
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
i thought curry's d was pretty good today
he only got blown by once and then he had that huge mental mistake in the 4th. Everything else was pretty good. He had a steal that was really nice where he didnt gamble and was still able to reach the ball. ANd his rebounding was amazing in the 3rd.
I think Curry’s layup was just as clutch as Ellis’s jumper tbh. You have to remember that shot came right after Ellis missed one badly.
I’d pay good money to watch an Ellis vs Curry 1v1
Goal: 8 seed!
id bet my money on ellis winning that.
1 on 1 winner keep the ball.
Make it take it. It’s gotta rhyme son!
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
this has got to be one of the most satisfying victories in a LONG LONG TIME
i liked the total rejection that beans had on somebody.. too bad it went straight to a pacer for a easy layup..
CURRY AND ELLIS BOTH need to stay on this team in my opinion.!!!!!!! they are both too good. if we had a iggy type to split up the minutes between them then i think it would be perfect! i think our only hole then would be at the 5. and maybe a little more bench depth.
BW played excellent. so happy to seee him do well with his little playing time.. he has done well i think in his few stints so far this year but this time it was in a critical situation.. go figure.. give the boy 20 a night!!! please! or at least 10 – 15. we seem to be starting to gel. we are HEALTHY and things are looking up.. again im just overjoyed with our timely surges to win these big games of late.. good teams surge when it matters and thats what we did against the clips and now tonight against the pacers. good sheet boys!
ELLIS = ALL STAR.
my current DO NOT TRADE LIST;
Curry.
Ellis.
D.W.
Lee
B.W. (bench)
Udoh (bench ideally hopefully starter material some day)
Radman (deep bench)
Williams (bench)
And in news completely unrelated to this game…
Kevin Love is such an insane rebounder. He ended Blake Griffin’s huge double double streak by holding him to 8 rebounds Love had 11.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 20, 2011 3:10 AM PST reply actions
I was at this game
only game I’ve been at all year. Spectacular game. Always fun to boo Mike Dunleavy like crazy.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
I was there too
Wasn’t booing at Dunleavy. Actually, I didn’t get it…I can see booing guys who screwed us over (Jackson, Harrington), but what did Dunleavy do to deserve that?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
haha
yeah, and he still does suck, but do we need to rub it in?
It’s like picking on the fat, socially awkward kid in 3rd grade…it’s almost too easy
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I would have boo’d him while he was here sucking maybe. I wouldn’t boo him now. The guy has worked hard to become a decent player and succeeded. Why should he be boo’d now? If he came back here and lit us up every time he was here, yeah, that would be reason to boo him, but he doesn’t.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
He doesn’t come back and light us up because he still sucks! What’s the matter with Dunleavy? He’s a bum! Boo Dunleavy! ;)
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
lol… I honestly want him to light us up… but still have his team lose. While I hated his lack of defense and inconsistency back in the day, I’ve developed a certain respect for his game now. He ain’t bad at all. Well-rounded and plays within his limits.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Because it's kinda fun
screw that guy.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 21, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
One of these days, we're going to see Udoh and B. Wright in the frontcourt together
…at the same time. Might take a new coach, though.
Agreed
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 20, 2011 5:41 AM PST up reply actions
In defense of Coach...
I think Smart does give Udoh and B. Wright time on the court, in respect to what they earn. From what I see, that’s been the case with most of the bench, too.
A few examples:
- Vlad starts the season horribly, earns himself DNPs. Gets fired up, starts hitting shots again, earns back his PT.
- B. Wright shows flashes, earns a couple starts. Stinks up those starts, earns a spot on the bench behind the new & shiny Udoh.
- Udoh (sample size aside): gets more than 4 rebounds = gets 20 or more minutes in a game.
Keith Smart’s coaching is by meritocracy. I have no problem with this.
That does seem to be one big thing people don’t take into account when it comes to PT. It’s earned. It’s an incentive and a reward. Play well in practice for a few days? Well, you just earned yourself some PT, and it might come at the expense of someone who was playing better than you previously. If you don’t let players earn PT, it’s discouraging and takes away their reason to compete and play hard. Plus, you can’t know for sure how a guy is going to play in the future, so when you make the decision to give him some time, it might be because he looks like he’s turning the corner and might play better. Sometimes you’re going to be wrong. It happens. Bottom line: this isn’t some video game you’re trying to win where you just play your best players as much as possible and nothing else matters. There is a lot that go into PT decisions. We don’t see most of it – like practice.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, but Wright plays well pretty much every time he's given minutes
I don’t know, maybe he sucks in practice. I just think it would be a mistake to not give him enough PT and let him go in the off-season. Some team is going to get a steal (kind of like we did with Dorell Wright).
I agree, I’ve always thought Wright should get more PT. I like Wright. I was speaking more in general.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
He doesn’t block out very well and isn’t typically aggressive enough getting defensive rebounds.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Something Radmanovic is known for.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 20, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Radman can defend the post, at least. I’m not saying I want Radman over B. Wright, but I understand the rationale.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
isn’t typically aggressive enough getting defensive rebounds.
In all sincerity, I think a significant problem with the perception of Wright is that he’s got a naturally lazy look to his face. The large ears, the droopy dawg bone structure, they do not lend to people thinking he’s ‘aggressive’ or ‘intense’. I am not arguing that he is a naturally intense individual, but I think that the perception that he’s not working, that he’s not producing, that he’s not is not fully proportional to what he’s actually doing.
Criticizing Brandan’s rebounding happens all the time. I’ve seen people write that his rebounding sucks. He’s not a remarkably good rebounder, but he’s not terrible. He’s a shade under average. His defensive rebounding isn’t as good as his offensive rebounding, but even here, he’s not terrible. His rate this season, (admittedly small sample, but rather not too much different from his career rate) is within a tenth of a rebound of what Jamison, Marion, Brand and Favors are hauling in this year.
Terms like “aggressive” are perception. Perception is far less important than results and the results have been far better than the amount of criticism he receives warrants.
I honestly wonder if a 6 inch scar across his face would make people think he’s a beast.
by jae on Jan 20, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or just, you know, Amar’e Stoudemire’s face. Amar’e has an awesome face — a face destined to be shot in dramatic black and white, with bold-type captions, and plastered all over the NYC subway. It’s a face that suggests that the body attached to it should be a total beast on the glass. And yet: Amar’e and our goofy ol’ BrokenWing are currently rebounding at exactly the same rate — a modest 8.5 per 36 minutes.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 20, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I might be influenced by his apparent lack of inner fire, but it’s more that he hasn’t pulled down defensive rebounds at a good rate relative to his length and doesn’t look as active as I would like. I imagine that he’s tentative due to being skinny and feeling somewhat powerless at times next to bigger bigs.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
If Coach Smart did that, I might demand that we get a new coach. That’s a horrible idea. Two shot blockers. Who is going to get the defensive rebounds?
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Watch the Monta interview....
Did I hear this right “I’m gonna be wid them until we part…..”?? That’s not exactly the same as saying I will always be a Warrior! It was a brief comment but possibly a telling one. I suspect Mr Ellis still hankers after the opportunity to head to a bigger team.
However props to him for recognizing the fans input to their play and the energy the fans at the Oracle give the team.
Never forget that fact people!!!! When the team are playing bad…dont bury your face in your popcorn/beer and grumble..get on your damn feet and cheer and shout and pick these fellas up….they sometimes need that help!
Its a new dawn...its a new day...its a new owner ....for us!!!!! and I'm FEELING GOOD!!!!!!
Yeah, he did say that...
and I agree with always cheering on your team!
"This is a good time to come together and raise our middle finger in the air." - Dan Boyle
by TheSoundOfHockey on Jan 20, 2011 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
He's been saying that the last couple years
Especially last year, a variation of “I’m gonna be a Warriors until they get rid of me”
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Monta not the most articulate
So, I wouldn’t read too much into what he says. He was like, “I’m gonna be with them until… (and here he was at a loss for words) we part”. He was hyped for the win, is not exactly Grant Hill in the interviews, and is happy on the warriors.
If nothing else, Monta’s words are the truth. He WILL be with the team until he’s not. ;)
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what I was thinking when I first read it. Not very articulate. The guy ought to read more and maybe take a few college courses.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Nice. lol.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 20, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
That was an awesome win!
David Lee had a strong game as well.
"This is a good time to come together and raise our middle finger in the air." - Dan Boyle
by TheSoundOfHockey on Jan 20, 2011 6:22 AM PST reply actions
He did.
I really wish we would work more to get him involved. When he’s scoring that well, you need to get him more than the 15-or-so shot attempts he had.
it sure is nice
when he gets the ball out by the top of the key, and puts up that shot – I don’t cringe (when AR took those shots, I would cringe)
I think we are observing a work in progress here. This team is so stacked offensively at the 1 through 4 spots! I am really in favor of keeping this core together all year (at least) to see how good we can get
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
So…..good news! Missing Barry has solved his Warriors watching problem. Also, bad news! Missing Barry is still on EST and went to bed with 3 minutes left in the game last night. Apparently I missed a great ending.
I was really pushing it staying up as late as I did. I should have gone to bed at the end of the third quarter, or even half time. Wanted to stay up till the end, just couldn’t. Stupid EST.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
I blame my job. Anyone out there want to hire me to live in CA and make a lot of money doing whatever it is you want me to do?
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
i won’t hire you if your work ethic correlates to your name handle.
by davidleeisabeast on Jan 20, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
What if I can promise you I’ll spend time you’re paying me for posting on GSoM?
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
A true fan, huh? Good on ya’!
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
True fans definitely go to bed with 3 minutes left in a tight game! ;)
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
lol As long as the first thing they think of when they wake up the next morning is the game, yeah, sure :).
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
I don’t think I have my first thought in the morning until I’ve showered, eaten, blasted my eardrums off with my ipod, and walked half a mile through the cold. Only then does my brain start to wake up….
But yes, at that point, I do think about the game from last night!
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Curry seems
to be working on staying out of foul trouble since he got only 2 fouls this game.
by Curry for the win on Jan 20, 2011 7:15 AM PST reply actions
B.Wright
Monta Ellis kept the pressure on, but B.Wright turned this game around in the intagible department. He made play after play on both sides of the ball with a ton of energy. A drop step reverse LH layup in traffic, two huge shot contests on Dunleavy that kept the game winnable because both of those shots were wide open 3’s from the defensive rotation.
BWright
basically did what Lou was supposed to do for us. Energy off the bench and some workmanlike baskets. I missed the first couple minutes, but Fitz mentioned Lou sprained his ankle? Should give BWright some minutes.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
I would LOVE to see B. Wright play more. He’s my favorite player to watch on the Warriors… when he’s doing well. He did so well this game. I was proud.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Lou sprained his ankle
Anybody around here know any follow-up on this?
How bad is it?
And, I would love to see BWright get some more minutes, Lou going down for a little while might be just the thing to make it happen!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
MSteinmetzCSN Matt Steinmetz
Lou Amundson not practicing. Left ankle sprain. Day to day.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
thanks!!
could this perhaps mean that we see a little more of BWright on Friday?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
If monta Ellis isn't an All-Star this year
I’m committing suicide
"I have a picture of him, I look at it everyday on my computer screen." (Jim Harbaugh referring to Bill Walsh)
by GrayDilla on Jan 20, 2011 8:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I already did commit suicide due to Monta not being the #1 play for espn. Wait… I’m still here.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
That might not be enough.
I’m thinking 7 or 8 suicides.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 21, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Do any West Coast folks actually call them suicides? I always called them liners and had never heard them referred to as anything differently until I moved out to the East Coast…
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
nah, I went to high school in Petaluma (northern CA bay area)
and my high school b-ball coach called them suicides
(unless of course the coach was from the east coast somehow)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 21, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
So....
Have we given up on seeing if Poor Man’s Commish is ever going to give out a Warrior Wonder?
Warrior Wonder
it’s gotta be either Monta or DoorL
Monta – game winner, plus 6ast, 2 stls, and 5 rebounds
Dorell – decent defense on Granger (who had 7 TOs!), plus 21 points and 4 steal
Not that I’m authorized to hand it out or anything, but I’m going with Monta!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Dorell had the last second defense
He tipped away the ball as it was inbounded .
Personally, I think Smart needs to bench Curry more in games like last night
If I was Smart I would have pulled Curry with 4 minutes left. He is the main reason Indiana stuck around. Defensively he might be worst player in NBA. Granger’s kick 3 was all his fault, Collison blew by him, forced Dorell to collapse in. (This happened more than once by the way). If you re-watch the game Granger gets a lot of open looks because curry’s inability to stay with Collison forces the defense to collapse and breakdown TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
And then we can discuss that horrible foul he gave Collison. Lucky for him Monta bailed him out and no one will be discussing it.
I don’t even understand how it’s considered a topic of discussion that Curry and Monta are equally bad defenders. Monta is a better defender on 2guards, as is Lee on PFs. both of course leave a lot of be desired, but they understand the basic concept of staying infront of your man, proper rotation. Monta may over gamble but he doesn’t foul players from behind. Something curry does WAY WAY WAY WAY too much.
Monta may be a below average defender, Curry is actually a liability defensively. You all thing Iguodala would make a difference? Explain to me how Iggy would have stopped Indiana’s run at the end of the game? How he’d stop Collison from penetrating Curry? Getting into the lane, and forcing Dorell and Lee to collapse onto him, giving him open passing options. Or if they don’t collapse, getting to the hoop with ease.
Simply put, Curry needs to learn some better defense, or put on the bench, because he nearly cost us the game down the stretch.
The only major fail on Law playing was taking Monta and Lee out at same time. In second half Law was a +/- or 0 because Monta stayed on the floor. That was a horrible idea Keith. I hope you learned your lesson.
Curry was actually very disruptive, causing a ton of turnovers
maybe you closed your eyes for those parts.
Not saying he’s a great defender, but last night he was actually pretty good for the most part.
No I'll agree he's a good help defender
But so are most players.
I was talking about his inability to stay infront of his man when he’s isolated, which Indiana went to a lot. His lateral quickness is a real cause of concern. What’s more frustrating is the fouls. WHY Curry, why.
When isolated
Curry isn’t that bad, not perfect, but no one is. Curry’s issue is running through screens.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt he’s 100% after the ankle sprains. I went through ankle sprain problems, and they can hurt your mobility beyond just a couple of months. He may bounce back to a more mobile player in a few months, hopefully.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Curry only had 2 fouls last night
granted, one of them was the head-scratcher “And1” to tie the game, but I think he is still trying to find the best way to play decent enough D without getting into foul trouble
I think last night we saw the results of him trying NOT to pick up fouls; and his D suffered a little bit because of it.
And let’s not forget that Collison is super quick
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
because he nearly cost us the game down the stretch.
He also nearly won the game with his bank shot (after Monta bricked a fade away jumper).
You do not put in Acie over Curry in the crunch. Teams do not care for Acie’s offense at. all. Watch a team defend Acie. The guard on him protects the pass, while the bigman can focus on stopping the drive. Acie doesn’t have a jumper, so defenders can also cheat off him, say when Monta is driving, and not have to worry about Acie receiving a pass on a kick out. Sure, Acie’s individual defense is better than Curry, but he is still a negative on the floor (net -8.0 per 82games) that Curry shouldn’t be sitting for such long periods of time, that And1 foul was Curry’s only PF of the night too.
With the exception of the And1, and especially in the 3rd Qtr, Curry was playing good defense. He had one dumb mistake, it happens. Remember last year when it was almost assured Monta would do something similar at the end of the qtr?
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
With the exception of the And1, and especially in the 3rd Qtr, Curry was playing good defense. He had one dumb mistake, it happens. Remember last year when it was almost assured Monta would do something similar at the end of the qtr?
I disagree. Almost all of Grangers 3s were kicks cause Collison blew by Curry.
He can’t stay infront of his man when he’s in any sort of space. Like I said yesterday, he’s tough, i never question that but his lateral quickness is SUCH a crutch
Looking at the play by play.
The only Granger made 3pt assisted by Collision was the on in the 4th Qtr. He had a couple other assisted by Dumbleavy and Hansbrough, with his last made one unassisted.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Even if Collison doesn’t get the assist, they could still be from his drive and kick. It might just be there was an extra pass or two to take advantage of the rotating defense (which is making the rotations because the inital man got beat).
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps
Anything you can use to suport this? But as I recall, Curry played excellent D on Collision in the 3rd Qtr.
3 of Grangers 7 3pt attempts (2 of his made 3pointers) came in the 2nd Qtr when Curry was off the floor.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Overall
Collision came away from the game with 14 pts (5-11 fg) / 1 reb / 5 ast / 4 tov / 1 stl / 32mp
AJ Price was 7 pts (2-3) / 0 reb / 1 ast / 3 tov / 15 mp
Not saying Curry is Rondo defensively or anything, but I saw definite improvement in Curry’s defense last night.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
My friends and I actually use AJ Price as a verb. As in, you just AJ Price’d it. This definitely qualifies as one of the most shocking examples of another player AJ Price’ing.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hehe
Kinda of amusing. Price goes for 7 points, 1 ast, 3 tov, yet has the game high +/- of +20.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Jan 20, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Dunno. I’d have to rewatch the game and look at those plays specifically. I have no idea if that happened or not, just bringing up the possibility.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Acie Law
has range out to half court, I saw it ; )
Teams do not care for Acie’s offense at. all.
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Curry gets ownd defensively most nights but I thought he did good tonight against Collison. He seems to be trying hard on defense so that’s encouraging, maybe we’ll see a decent improvement there as long as he’s working at it.
by davidleeisabeast on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Brandon Wright
No discussion of Brandon’s contributions??? He played arguably his best minutes as a Warrior and looked aggressive and in control on both ends of the court. VERY promising!!!
- W's and A's fan since '68
Great to see BW contribute.
I hope he can build upon this. I’ve always liked his offensive game, and if he can stay consistent I imagine he’ll see some heavy minutes.
who is Brandon Wright?
I know we have a guy named Brandan Wright. But this Brandon guy everyone keeps referring to…no idea who that is.
Lou Almondson's cousin
for the record folks:
Amundson
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was spelled
Luke Walton
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 21, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Barnett had a rough night on camera, as well
His makeup looked especially atrocious in the post-game. With his complexion, you’re work is really cut out for you if you have to put makeup on him, but good lord…it looked like someone tried to pave over the rocky mountains.
The thong is, it happened.
Curry
Wow; the criticism that Steph takes from some quarters amazes me. They are watching different basketball than I am. Steph makes everyone better. Period. The +/- stats show that. He’s unselfish. Gets everyone involved — most of the time in a position to make a play (It’s amazing how many would be assists of his get blown or don’t count because the recipient of his pass gets fouled). His shooting goes without saying. He’s a crafty playmaker and driver. He sees the floor SO well that it sometimes results in turnovers because others can’t see what he sees. He rebounds well for his slight frame. He’s an excellent help defender with quick hands. His biggest weakness is his defense and lateral quickness, but it’s not nearly as bad as many here complain about. He tends to reach too much (because of his confidence in his hands), but it’s his 2nd year! He’s still growing, learning, and adjusting. My goodness, have some patience, people! I would also point out that Smart puts him at a disadvantage by keeping him out so long — I understand foul trouble, but last night? he had 0 fouls going into the 4th and sat out starting from a few minutes left in the 3rd until 4 minutes left in the 4th??? What? And people complain that after sitting there for a half an hour, he didn’t defend Collison well enough on his drive? Who could under those circumstances. Sheesh.
by captneff26 on Jan 20, 2011 9:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It’s turned into a pick your side: Curry or Monta, and once you choose, focus entirely on one bad play, or one bad aspect of the opposite player’s game, and come to GSOM and talk endlessly about how bad that player is, especially in comparison to the other. It removes all credibility of the poster, and impedes their ability to watch two really good basketball players.
by BayLife5518 on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s turned into a pick your side: Curry or Monta, and once you choose, focus entirely on one bad play, or one bad aspect of the opposite player’s game
Welcome to life! Hope you have a good stay. (But seriously, this is what people do on every subject ever)
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what stupid people do. Others can have discussions, debate, disagreements, without holding petty personal grudges or choosing sides and disregarding logic and fact.
by BayLife5518 on Jan 20, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Similar thoughts (though more observation-based than scientifically based, the interesting thing being, this is from the 1940’s)…
The difference between “stupid” people and “smart” people? “Smart” people have a better ability to rationalize their belief….
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
his defense is bad, it just is.
But I thought Jim Barnett made a good point before the game which might explain Curry’s struggles, especially on defense. Curry never hit the rookie wall that most face, then he went and played on Team USA (where I think he started to hit the wall) and never really took an extended break from basketball. Offense comes easier to him, his sweet stroke is effortless and he uses his smarts where many rely on athleticism (why he will be great for a long time). Defense, however, is more about hustle than offense is and I think Curry reaches too often because he can’t keep up with quicker guards. This will improve as he develops better stamina and learns more tricks to playing defense when slower.
Gumpy highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu1VxHgB8Ko
Look at DLee after Monta nails the jumper. He’s yelling at the bench to get off the floor so they can get back on D lol!
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
Keith Smart's pathetic reign ends in 3 months.
Thank the Good lord.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 20, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions
We are winning. I wouldn’t call it pathetic at all. Granted, we sucked with D. Lee injured, but we’re pretty decent now.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Hahaha dude, i was being a little harsh.
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 20, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
pathetic reign ends in 3 months.
Dont be so quick to conclusions, Larry Riley likes him and Lacob seems to be backing him
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
True, i'll see what Kayci has to say about it ;)
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 20, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I like the picture heading up this thread...
I actually ilke the one leading up to it more:

by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah the other one was funny
this one is just straight up badass
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 20, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Ekpe looks really excited. Wright looks sad. ha ha
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
As long as we’re looking carefully at the people in the background, check out Vlad in the front page pic.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
LOL He looks like he wants to sneeze or something.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Vlad
has an itchy collar
or maybe caught some fan’s spittle on his neck
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 20, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
He just looks nervous and uncomfortable to me. Clearly, he doesn’t like to win!
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Monta's arms just look funny. haha
Keith Smart is challenging Red Auerbach to be the greatest coach of all time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 20, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Everything about him looks funny. His tongue sticking out. His facial expression. His posture. His arms. His legs. Then you get Acie just completed the picture, and the background of cheering fans/teammates. And of course the guy in the black shirt. Good stuff.
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
No need to defend Curry
There is no need to defend Steph. People who understand basketball can clearly see what a nice player he is, and for people who don’t (itmay include our head coach) no explanation will help. Trust me, would he be given as many shots and picks as Monte has he would be scoring on the same level or better. He is just trying to coexist with Monte and play PG. And taking about defense. Collison did some damage interacting with Granger nicely thanks to their “Pick and Roll” W’s defense in these situations did not look good, but this is not only Steph’s fault. This is a team thing So people who defend Smart and blame it on Steph are silly.
I am happy for BW. He and Udoh as well as Curry are W’s huge assets. let’s keep our fingers crossed that Smart will not screw this up.
by Ambal on Jan 20, 2011 10:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I liked Steph's line tonight...
Well, scoring could’ve been better but I will take a 7:1 assist:turnover ratio any day.
I thought this site was for Warriors fans
I don’t usually take the time to post on this site, but it’s often a fun read for me….
That was a great win! For Monta, that final shot was actually a pretty high percentage shot, and one he takes often, especially when his J is right.
…But there seem to be a lot of fools on this site that would rather see the Dubs lose than see Monta hit a game winner. What’s up with that?
My favorite player on the team is still Steph, but he’s taken a step back from where he was at the end of last year. I’m sure he will get it back. From the beginning of the season he’s been saying he’s focused on improving his D, “being a pest”. And, to some degree he has, but at times it seems to be at the expense of the other aspects of his game. I think it takes a few years to learn how to be a good defender in the NBA, especially at point. The thing that bugged me most about the way he finished the game last night wasn’t the stupid foul. It was pretty terrible, but a simple mistake, with good intentions… and yeah, I thought he should have gotten some help rather than try to defend from behind.
But the thing that bugged me was the behind the back pass in the backcourt, to… nobody.
Fortunately it didn’t result in a turnover, but seriously, what was he thinking?
He just seems to be off his game a bit. We are all hoping he gets it back, but do people here really need to hate on Monta in the meantime?
ummm, who said they would rather see Warriors lose than see Monta hit game winner?
For all the defenders of Monta and Curry – we can criticize their play and still be fans of their game. It is not the same as hating.
by tjmax on Jan 20, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
…But there seem to be a lot of fools on this site that would rather see the Dubs lose than see Monta hit a game winner. What’s up with that?
I missed that post.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 21, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I dunno about you guys, but I’m still pumped from this game. Hopefully we can keep it going against the Kings tonight!
by Missing Barry on Jan 21, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
It's a given
we got this, no doubt
Famous last words though
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 21, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Waaaaay off topic
but did you guys (and gals) know that Paul Schafer is one of the owners?
It would be awesome if he would show up and run the live music for a while. They were playing some kind of easy jazz last night (soft drum and a sax)….just seemed oddly out of place
The Lacob-Guber ownership groupOn November 15, 2010, Warriors announced the new 19-person ownership group. Members include Joe Lacob, Peter Guber, Vivek Ranadive, Erika Glazer, Fred Harman, Bob Piccinini, Larry Bowman, Danny German, Marty Glick, Chad Hurley, Craig R. Johnson, Bruce Karsh, Jeffrey A. Miller, Paul Schaeffer, David Scially, Nick Swinmurn, Harry Tsao, John Walecka, and Dennis Wong.
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More Curry
Well, for full disclosure, I’m a Davidson grad who has watched Steph’s game closely for a number of years now. I probably know a bit more about his development than most GS fans, who only started caring about him last year. So a couple more things.
1) The poster who mentioned USA Basketball hit upon something I have suspected as well. Steph seems more … tired … this year. That makes one reach more and having been worn down a little, maybe a half step slower too. It may also have been contributing to some of his nagging little injuries as well, which throws off timing and teamwork when he can’t play for these little stretches at a time.
2) I have heard people criticize his turnovers too. I saw the behind the back pass last night late in the game and said, “Whoa, Steph!” because it seemed so pointless. When he puts a little mustard on the dog, though, the VAST majority of the time it is actually a decent basketball play (i.e., creates an angle that wouldn’t exist with a more fundamental pass). That being said, one of the things Bob McKillop, Davidson’s head coach, used to tell him was to stop “going for the home run” all the time and instead be happy with a string of singles. There is a time for the home run play, but that has been part of his development as a point guard. Remember; he played the 2 for most of his college career, although I believe he was a 1 in high school.
Monta Ellis is a great player and fun to watch. He’s playing at an extremely high level right now, and there is no need to compare them (apples to oranges anyway) or take sides. But Monta DOES need to keep his eyes open, because while he is taking on 3 defenders at a time (often to uncanny success), Steph is often open for an uncontested 3. As y’all know, that’s gonna be pretty much money. Last night, it looked like Indiana was not willing to give up those 3s, and Steph wasn’t open as much — hence the fewer shots.
And I think Steph is better in an offense that doesn’t devolve to “pass the ball to Monta and see what he can do with it.” That’s why it would be much better, in Coach Smart’s substitution patterns, to keep Steph in with the 2s more instead of Monta. For those who think Steph can’t create his own shots, you’re crazy. They are different kinds of shots than Monta, but just as deadly. I watched him create against entire defenses made up of future NBA players designed to stop just him in college. Unfotunately for those teams, they didn’t realize that Davidson wasn’t just Steph and the Stephettes — there were some pretty doggone good players on that team (Jason Richards, for example — the point guard during Steph’s soph year — was signed by the Miami Heat but tore up his knee).
by captneff26 on Jan 20, 2011 10:56 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Always good to get new insights around here.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
werd.
That’s the kind of stuff that keeps me reading! Thanks for the insight capt.
It’s true about Monta getting tunnel vision sometimes, but I think he’s made a lot of progress on improving that this year. I’m also seeing that same type of tunnel vision pop up with several other players (including Steph a bit this year), and I’m pretty sure that’s not what Smart wants to see out there. As you mention, Monta often has uncanny success in this situation which of course adds up to positive reinforcement on a negative.
Bottom line, they’re getting better and Steph is way too talented to let his current skid last much longer.
yeah, we have to remember that it's not easy to come in the league as a point guard
and dominate immediately. Very few have had that capability. Chris Paul? Magic?
Steve Nash didn’t set the world on fire until the middle part of his career. His turnover numbers were much worse than Steph’s earl on AND he has never been known as a defensive stopper. Though, can you believe PHO was dumb enough to send him off after two years? Hope to god, we don’t make that mistake with Steph.
I wish I could rec your post more than once, captneff. Great stuff.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 20, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks, Sleepy, dub, and MB. I’ve been surprised by some of the vitriol thrown Steph’s way this year from GS fans. I think the expectations maybe were almost too high. I’ll say this: Steph Curry is a fine young Christian man (one I do not hesitate to steer my impressionable children to emulate — they are both athletic, and I want them to look up to solid people — hopefully AFTER me!). Y’all are fortunate to have a person of his caliber in your community, imho. Oh yeah — and he’s one heckuva basketball player.
I also think that he played so well as a rookie made people put some unrealistic expectations on him. They seemingly expected his growth to just continue without slowing down – I distinctly remember people talking about him putting up 20/10 seasons in the near future. We should be happy with Steph – so far, he’s been the second best player of his draft class. That’s great. At the same time, he was a 21 year old with 3 years of college experience, so he should have been better than a lot of guys who are younger and less experienced as a rookie. Plus his lack of athleticism puts a ceiling him. So there are some real reasons to temper our expectations, but still be very happy with what we have.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
The roll of current point guards in the league that are better than Steph is pretty short. Even when he isn’t at his best. And I think you may be underestimating his ceiling. When people think of “athleticism,” they often limit their analysis to eye-popping, above-the-rim circus moves like Monta or breathtaking speed, etc. Steph’s athleticism is more subtle but just as real. He has wonderful vision, fabulous eye-hand coordination, smooth and unwasted motion, good quickness, and very fast hands. He is also thinking 2 moves ahead of most others. (That actually can get him in trouble with turnovers sometimes if some guys are playing two dimensional basketball while he’s in a thrid dimension. He doesn’t need to jump over 5 guys to get good shots — he creates them with his brand of athleticism. And frankly, that kind of skill is better in the long term than say, the athleticism of Monta Ellis, as amazing as it is. Steph’s career path will most likely be longer, as the type of athleticism he has tends to fade less quickly with age.
AGREE WITH Ronaldinho
Monte’s last shot was great,but why in the hell can’t we run a play in 14 seconds !!
With that much time we can’t do better than a18-20 foot fade away!!!
Give me a break ! C’mon Smart,design a frickin’ play,I’d much rather have seen a dunk or lay up for that last basket-BAD COACHING.
It was nice to see B. Wright get some burn,keep runnin BW.
Dr. Jeff
From Monta's post game interview,
it sounded like he really really really really really wanted that last shot, and he wasn’t thinking about passing it at all, although he did say he would have passed if the double team came. So I think the shot was all on Monta.
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Great Game!
Enjoyed it! Although the game ended at 7.15 AM local time and I was sleepy as hell. It’s tough to be an European NBA fan ;)
by DutchWarrior on Jan 20, 2011 11:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This guy is a better fan than me, apparently….
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
dang
extreme props to you sir!
Glad you got rewarded with such a happy ending!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 21, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions

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