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Recap #34: Golden State Warriors 90, Orlando Magic 110 - Owned the 1st Half, Pwned the 2nd Half

Originally posted Jan 3, 9:20pm


Just because this was more fun to watch than the 2nd half

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This game was almost identical to the previous game against the Heat. The Warriors play very well in the first half and take a sizable lead only to get blown out in the 2nd half and lose the game.

Halftime score: Warriors 53, Magic 44

3rd quarter score: Warriors 18, Magic 35

4th quarter score: Warriors 19, Magic 31

The Warriors were beat by 29 points in the 2nd half. This begs the question, do the Warriors know that the 2nd half also counts towards the final score?

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So what happened this time?

We can try to break this down into a bunch of different reasons, but plain and simple, a 3 point barrage by the Magic doomed the Warriors. It was some serious long range sharpshooting and not by one or two guys, but the entire team. Dwight Howard was dunking from the 3pt line and Stan Van Gundy was nailing 3 pointers. 6 of 8 from 3 in the third quarter with Gilbert Arenas, Jason Richardson, JJ Redick and Jameer Nelson all hitting at least 1.

They cooled off slightly in the 4th quarter and only went 6 of 13 from 3 but by that point they had already broken the Warriors spirit and taken an 8 point lead. They just continued slaughtering the Warriors, 14 point lead with 9:36 to go, 20 point lead with 4:33 to go. The Warriors even got it all the way back to a 13 point lead, but then boom, 56 seconds and 3 straight 3 pointers and the Magic had a 22 point lead.

Okay so that's the big reason why they lost. The Warriors couldn't sustain the shooting in the first half (again) and in the 2nd half couldn't stop the opposing team from scoring at a ridiculously high percentage (again). Overall, the numbers were fairly similar except in a few important categories:

Field Goal Percentage: Warriors 40.9% vs Magic 49.4%
3 Point Shooting: Warriors 8-22 vs Magic 15-32
Free Throw Shooting: Warriors 10-13 vs Magic 19-25

 

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A couple last thoughts...

Dwight Howard
Whoo boy. It certainly didn't help to have David Lee and Andris Biedrins out. The Warriors needed some beef down low and all they had were Boca Burgers - Lou Amundson started, Dan Gadzuric played 9 minutes, Brandan Wright had  decent numbers, and Ekpe Udoh got his first taste of Dwight's elbow. Howard finished with 22 points on 7-9 shooting and 17 rebounds. Nobody could stop him down low on defense.

Rebounding
Despite the lack of beef, the Warriors didn't do so bad in the rebounding department. They out-rebounded the Magic 43-42 surrendering just 9 offensive rebounds. Pretty good though I wonder if the Magic are worried about that for their chances in the playoffs.

Hedo Turkoglu's Triple Double
Last but not least, Hedo finished with 10 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists, and 5 steals. Holy crap, what a line and what a game.

 

Post-Game Quotes

Keith Smart
Maybe we can just play a half and go home because we played very, very good basketball against two very, very top elite teams and for whatever reason we didn’t come out in the 2nd half to play at the level necessary to win.

Dorell Wright
We can compete with the better teams in the league. We just need to play a full 48-minute game. It doesn’t do us any good to play one half and come out sluggish in the second half.

Monta Ellis
The third quarter is slipping from us. We have to continue to play like a team and see what we can do to turn it around and get back to playing like we used to in the third quarter. One half doesn’t really mean anything. That is why it is 48 minutes. We have to play smarter down the stretch and come out with more energy in the third quarter. We have to grind it out as a team and continue to grow.

Stephen Curry
We had huge leads but weren’t able to get back into our flow in the second half. Both teams (Heat and Magic) have made huge runs in the first three minutes and that is so important in order to keep the momentum on our side. You can’t give them that kind of momentum with so much time left especially on the road and when you are short handed. We will learn from this.

 

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Hmmmmm...do I have to pick one? I'll go with a blast from the past. Jason Richardson because he'll always be a Warrior to me. Kind of a cop out but he did put up 20 points on 8-16 shooting including 4-7 from 3 while chipping in with 5 rebounds and 2 assists.

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On the plus side, Brandan Wright looked pretty good. I wasn’t even positive he was still alive.

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by ivanbe on Jan 3, 2011 9:27 PM PST reply actions  

BWright is hard to be around

I am either totally disgusted with him, or super hyped on his potential…sigh

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 4, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

also, seeing him sky for rebounds

made me even less sad about not having AR around anymore

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 4, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That video

Combined w/ the bad officiating, combined w/ the way we play in the second halves of games, combined w/ Dwight Howard not actually being all that good and just really large – makes me really sad.

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by bonbrillio on Jan 3, 2011 9:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Refs were okay

But again, missed blatant calls

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by dubzfan on Jan 3, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that monta drive on howard in the start of the 3rd

was ridiculous. very reminiscent of the 2 drives against miami. i hope the dubs appeal to the league office, it’s getting unbelievable.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
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by steffun4tw on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

i think the league just wants to look out for the big money makers of the league

instead of officiating the actual game.. its a f’n joke. no player should be treated differently from another player EVER.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 3, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Monta makes a point of avoiding contact

So I think it is easier for a defender to dictate the “terms of engagement” so to speak.

Dwight did come over pretty late on that play, but he did manage to go straight up (meaning he wasn’t reaching or anything). I still think most superstars in the NBA get that call – Monta gets very little love from the refs

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 4, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Biedrins goes straight up a lot too and has pretty good technique – however he never gets that call.

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by triplesix on Jan 4, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

please don't blame Monta

this has more to do with a lack of respect around the league (refs) for the Warriors

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by bonbrillio on Jan 5, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Another 2nd half blown

Though I’m not sure it’s really us losing, more like other teams not taking us seriously for 2-3 quarters… In Miami with that insane shooting it was pretty predictable that dubs scoring would slump, but I’m convinced that teams know we can’t really push inside and just lock down their defense at the end of games.

I distinctly remember b wright posting up on and inbounds play. I could see that look in his eyes like I’M GONNA SHOOT… Sure enough the ball gets Inbounded to him, he turns and fires a contested 8 footer on the baseline (brick) and I leapt up and yelled “noooo” at the tv.

by RACE!! on Jan 3, 2011 9:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

In both the Miami and Heat 1st halves

They both turned over the ball at a very high rate. Come the 2nd half, they adjusted, took care of the ball better, and tightened up on defense. I think I’d have to agree, seems like these teams don’t really gameplan and it takes the half time break for teams to really adjust.

That plus we just aren’t the type of team yet that understands you have to really put the foot on the gas with the lead and pull it to a 20+ point lead and crush any hope of a comeback. Then you can coast to victory.

Pretty much confirms what I have felt about this team. Good enough not to be a cellar dweller, not good enough to really compete with the big teams. High lotto pick here we come!

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

what are you trying to say?

The Warriors shoot too many outside shots and don’t take it to the hole enough?

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

u know what we don't do a lot of these days

alley oops. Whether it was JRich, Pietrus, Azubuike or whoever… we always had a lot of alley oop buckets… but I can’t recall one alley oop play from our squad this year.

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by dso on Jan 3, 2011 9:54 PM PST reply actions  

I do think that part of it is because we’re seeing way fewer fastbreak opportunities with multiple players streaking at the basket. As dso mentioned, back then we had at least 2 or 3 athletic guys bolting down the court immediately after a rebound or turnover for the easy alley-oop. These days we only have Dorell doing stuff like this since Carney doesn’t play a whole lot.

by WYK on Jan 3, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

ellis alley oop

Back when Baron was around, yeah. Nowadays Ellis seems to want to lead the break himself so he could do his drunken top shtick. Besides, he rarely dunks anymore as is.

by WYK on Jan 3, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

and can we stop playing d wright over 40 minutes a night????

plus monta played very few minutes in the first half which was refreshing but he still ended up with 38. just FIND THE HAPPY MEDIUM SMART dangit!!!!!!!

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 3, 2011 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

only thing not making me feel bad

is seeing gil and j rich having a chance to actually do good in season and maybe win a title.

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by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 3, 2011 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

where are the halftime adjustments?

last 2 games we’ve come out firing on all cylinders on the opponents home floor. then they come out at half and look like they don’t expect the other team to have changed a thing and that it’ll be a walk in the park the rest of the game. do they really expect 2 of the best teams in the league to take getting rolled on their home floor lying down? 2 very pathetic 2nd halves back to back

@ smart’s quote: ummmm, isn’t it the coaches responsibility to get the players ready to come out and start to 3rd with the same execution and energy?

by AJC3317 on Jan 3, 2011 10:21 PM PST reply actions  

, isn’t it the coaches responsibility to get the players ready to come out and start to 3rd with the same execution and energy?

coach can’t create something that’s not there. Our guys have to play at too high a pace to be effective so they naturally tire in the second half. We need a post up game to let them take it easy occasionally. DHo didn’t shoot those threes but he occupied our defense so they could make them. We’re trying to pull stumps with a five porsches in the garage when we really need four plus one 4X4 diesel.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 3, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What adjustments can be made?

Both Heat and Magic turned up the defense and prevented penetration and the entry passes in the 2nd half. We have no post scorer and a ton of perimeter shooters. Don’t forget the Dwight effect. BWright couldn’t get in good position to use his baby hook, Udoh, as well as much of the team, was limited to contested jump shots. MTII tweeted numerous times that guys wouldn’t even look at the rim when driving the rim when Dwight was in the game.

Our gameplan was to double, and even triple team Dwight in the paint. Guys were more worried about providing help defense in the paint, thus leaving guys wide open on the perimeter. Even Udoh was getting manhandled by Dwight, who despite it all still had a good stat line.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

So what you are saying...

is that they adjusted at half but we didn’t – right?

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by triplesix on Jan 4, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

So what you are saying... is that they adjusted at half but we didn’t – right?

cause we we’re already playing above our head so there was nothing left to do but hope against all odds that it continued.
 Some games should be won and some games should be lost, we gotta just win the former and forget about the latter.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 4, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

So what happened this time?

Couldn’t agree more with your statements.

To switch gears a bit – I live in Oregon and the biggest difference between the Ducks football teams under Mike Bellotti and Chip Kelly is the changes and adjustments made at halftime. Before Kelly came in Bellotti would just go out in the second half and keep doing the same thing – the halftime adjustment is the biggest coaching opportunity and most telling sign of a good coach. It is one of the reasons that Oregon Football has won back to back Pac-10 Championships and is going to their first championship game in school history, and Kelly has only been in charge for two years. The Ducks were known for at least one or two big choke jobs a year under Bellotti.

No matter how you slice it the last two games have been all about Smart being out-coached in the second half.

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by triplesix on Jan 4, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

i don't like (and this is getting repetitive)

Smart’s use of Curry. Another game goes by, and our best player has very, very few plays called for him. I don’t care what we need to do to get him shots, but he needs to have room to work. Right now our offense is a combination of Monta isos, Monta pick&rolls, or some other wing (not Curry) running pick&roll with a big that has know idea his job is to roll. In the first half of the past two games, it’s been a joy to watch them play offensively. People are moving, the ball is moving, everyone’s getting touches, everyone’s having fun and scoring. However, when it gets stagnant and our offense begins failing, as in the second half, we obviously have no go-to play to break the spell (the Lakers have that backdoor alley-oop play to give an example) so we always go to Monta and have him try to rescue us. I’d like to know why the hell we don’t do the same with Curry. If he’s given a few isolations, he can easily get by his man and create for himself and others. I believe his tentativeness is a direct cause of Keith Smart’s coaching. Not only does he have no plays called for him, but if he makes one small mistake, he gets yanked for Acie Law (who is a solid player and I like him, but he’s no Stephen Curry). Curry needs more freedom and more plays and shots. I’m not saying it would’ve helped us win either of the past two, but down the road it’ll make us a better team and help Curry improve to that all-star level of play we expect and saw towards the end of last season.

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by steffun4tw on Jan 3, 2011 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

we just cant find a new coach soon enough... smart is ruining things for the future by not letting

our guys learn how to play right. i wish lacob would get a new one now.. it cant make things much worse.. and if it does then it makes our draft better lol. if only there was a good coach out there available. just to break up this monotony

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 3, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you hit the point on the head.

Smart is trying to eek out as many wins as he can. What I don’t think he’s doing a good enough job of is teaching his young players. I can’t back any of this up, but doesn’t it just feel like he’s doing the same thing Nellie did last year? Burn your best players into the ground in order to get as many wins as possible to stay an extra year.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 3, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

great thoughts

nellie had an all-time record to chase last year, so it was understandable, but Keith doing it this year? It’s awful.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Jan 3, 2011 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Except, he's not burning Curry into the ground.

Smart has been trying to install a motion offense, the players seem to have a difficult time adjusting. I know people will complain that Smart scheme is crap, I call BS. We don’t even know what it is because our players are so damn horrible at executing it. Even earlier in the season, the players were not moving with the rhythm and smoothness as say, the Jazz do. When the injuries first started, Smart tried to continue with the system he installed in the beginning, but our shitty role players forced Smart to change it up to more run and gun.

Now guys are complaining he’s not trying to teach them? I just had a problem with people claiming Smart is 100% the problem and changing him out miraculously make us a top team. Players matter 10000% more than the coach does. It’d take lots of luck and a miracle coach for every single player to overachieve for this current roster to be a top team. It will take everyone to overachieve because we have no singular player who can will a team to win. Curry maybe has potential, but we have already seen what it’s like when Monta or DLee are the #1 options on a team.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not needed

Motion offense is player movement, correct floor spacing, passing and cutting, and setting screens

The only problem is the players aren’t very good at it.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The key to motion offense is it's flexibility, the players just can't execute it well.

You don’t necessarily need like a Pau Gasol to run a motion offense, but you do need smart players who understand the concepts, and I don’t think we have that, whether they still need to time to get it into their basketball DNA or just will never get it.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh, now I feel like I'm talking to myself

To be clear, if there is ever a chance we could get a low post scorer, we absolutely need to take advantage of that.

However, I do feel we should have been more effective in the half court than we are, and unlike some others, I am more of the mind of viewing the players as the problem, not the coach. The worst thing that could happen is if Lacob feels that all this team needs is a new coach and we’re set.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

well i dont think anyone feels that the players here are of championship caliber.

maybe 40 to 50% of them but thats about it.. some of our starters need to be backups and most of our bench needs to pick a new career.
all that said i still think we need a new coach.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Even healthy this team is probably good for a 9th seed.

Do we need a new coach? Sure, if you can get a better one.

I’d rather focus on getting better players.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

well, for this year i agree maybe even next year coz i dont think there is

anything we can do to create a championship squad that quick. i also want those better players and better coach but i hope this coach can do his best to develope the guys on our squad that will be there in 3 years from now.. giving tons of burn time to guys who will be gone next year is useless. also burning out our core guys trying to eek out a few extra wins is useless.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

BB I agree with you.

I think Smart should just play to his team’s strengths if he wants to get better offensively.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 5, 2011 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll coach

the team. I know exactly how Phoenix played last year and I’ll impliment that system.

my rotations will be crisp as well.

by Anonymous1337 on Jan 3, 2011 10:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Haha

Last year 3QC, this year 4QC…. This is sad

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by dubzfan on Jan 3, 2011 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Awe not again?!

4q choke?!
What do u call only scoring 18 in the 3rd q?!

by RTM707 on Jan 3, 2011 11:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

You know what was interesting?

I watched the game knowing that our 2nd half sucked compared to the 1st. I expected total destruction in the 3rd like the Heat did to us. But actually, we played the Magic pretty evenly most of the 3rd. It was an ugly start and ugly end to the 3rd that pushed the 3rd qtr scoring in the Magic’s favor.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 4, 2011 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a bad feeling...

Once I saw RadMan starting the second half.

by LuvDubs on Jan 4, 2011 12:08 AM PST reply actions  

I got all excited

When I saw the title since I couldn’t watch the game. Got all bummed when I read the recap. The numbers are mixed up :(

by jpgarfunkle on Jan 4, 2011 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

To dominate or to be dominated

I just think that Smart is not smart enough. We are looking to steal a game instead of win for sure. W are ready to be dominated instead of looking to dominate. It starts with coach. Instead of being creative and to confuse the opponent we are “trying to adjust”. We have the personnel. Why would not we show this . look:
Udoh -C
Brandan – PF
Vlad -SF
D. Write -SG
Curry -PG

this huge lineup of skilled people. You cannot play this the whole game but for 10 min it may change the game. Why we never play Curry as SG running plays for him? Why are we trying to run Monte for 48 min? We are trying to promote him as “All-Star”. But he is not an “All-Star” because team sucks. Give him some rest. Other reams already know that GSW will try to run Ellis and that is it. I know that every game is important for Smart in order to continue to coach. He is trying “to play safe”, but he is hurting himself and all us

by Ambal on Jan 4, 2011 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

It took

me like ten minutes to try and read this. Monta didn’t play 48 minutes last night. I don’t know why you would want Vlad in at all.

GovernorStephCurry Loves Keith Smart/Kobe Bryant and Monta's defense.

by HerFavColo(u)r on Jan 4, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It is not about Vlad. You can put Lee instead. It is about really big lineup forcing other teams adjust to us,rather than us adjusting to other people. It is about of being creative and try to play the whole team, rather than riding one horse into the ground

by Ambal on Jan 4, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

i have no prob with ten minutes of vlad really with out roster. and i like the big lineup.

man i wish brandan would make up his mind.. he might just show JUST enough flash in the pan to get picked up by some lousy team so he can make a couple more mil.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

dissapointing but expected

we played well the first half. but the magic are a top team. not too mad at r dubs for losing. magic r better. just hoping we get healthy soon

by jimmy135 on Jan 4, 2011 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

Worst coaching performance of the season

I know some of this has been mentioned above, but this was by far Keith Smart’s worst performance as a coach. I’m not sure if Smart is aware of this, but he doesn’t have to start the same 5 guys in the 2H as the first, and he certainly doesn’t have to play them 7.5 mins before making a sub. If the W’s are healthy (Curry/Ellis/Wright/Lee/Biedrins), then I would start them every game and every 3Q. No problem. But when they are not healthy, he has to make in-game adjustments.

Yesterday’s starting lineup sucked, but there wasn’t too much Smart could do about it. That’s not his fault. But it was painfully obvious that the W’s won the 1Q not b/c they played well as a starting unit, but because Orlando missed a bunch of open shots. At the start of the 2H, the Warriors coaching staff made zero adjustments even though the first 6 mins of the 3Q were of utmost importance to GS.

During that 3Q, somehow, multiple sets were run for Amunson, Law, and Gadzuric. If these three players never have another play run for them, it will be too soon. I would estimate that of the 6-8 plays that were run for these 3 players, none resulted in a basket or trip to the foul line. After the W’s had predictably blown the lead, Smart subbed Law in for Curry. I encourage anyone on this post to defend this move. It is so incomprehensible to sub a small, poor shooting guard for Curry there. That must be Reggie Williams time. He’s bigger and he’s not afraid to shoot the 3. Law is horrible, and he has no real assets beside decent ball handling and decent D against smaller guards. But Orlando was playing a big lineup much of the game.

I thought Brandan Wright and Udoh played marvelous in the 1H. So, why didn’t they get more minutes in the 2H?

Other questions:

  • Why not try a zone in the 2H?
  • Why double team Howard every time down if he gets the ball? He’s not Olajuwon, and Orlando has so many 3-pt shooters now.
  • Why not go big with Ellis/Wright/Vlad/Udoh/Wright or something like that?
  • Why not bring Rodney Carney in at any point just to see if he has the hot hand? (and yes, I read he was waived, so I guess that’s the reason, though I cannot figure that out either) Is Law more likely to lead to a win?
  • Why rest Monta for nearly the entire 2Q, then not give him his usual rest early in the 4Q?

Ugh. Yesterday was a coaching disaster. While Smart has done a nice job motivating his players and keeping morale high, his substitution pattern is inconsistent and puzzling, and his in-game adjustments are non-existent.

by UncleCliffy on Jan 4, 2011 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

smart is quickly developing a reputation for his nack for adjusting to other teams

(read the previous with sarcastic voice)
also i disagree with smart doing a nice job of motivating the players or keeping morale high.
i think they worked that out on thier own and and joe shmo of a coach would have resulted in higher morale. it was nellie that created some bad tension between himself and beans.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm really trying to hedge my negative reactions, but

I couldn’t agree more with your rant on the amount of set plays/looks/shots that went, SOMEHOW, to Gadz, Amund, and Law. Just head shaking material.

And it makes me ponder what the “thinking” is behind Smart doing it.

Sometimes a coach will feel the need to use his whole team to facilitate a strong team vibe, even if he knows that one or two possessions could probably get a hoop moreso with a different player getting the shot. This team vibe can be worked on, though, in blowouts, or at least not still in winnable games where you’ve worked hard to have a shot, only to give it away by being overly faithful and overly hopeful/positive. That doesn’t mean those guys cannot shoot the ball, they can if the shot clock is winding down or it’s an easy shot or it’s in the flow and has to be taken. But to give scrubs multiple looks in the situations Smart does…..is borderline delusional.

I think Smart is guilty of this. He’s a nice, good, hardworking guy. But he’s way too faith based in his thinking/coaching.

One great example of this is who he chooses to shoot the tech FTs upon illegal D infractions etc. The game in NY Smart sent Ellis to the line to shoot the first 3 out of 4 techs they got to shoot. He missed one, of course. But the question is why Smart would do that? He sent Monta to shoot them with Curry in the game, a FARRRR better FT shooter…3 times!!!

Sometimes you can send a cold scorer to the line to shoot the tech FT to “get him going,” heat him up. But, in the NY game only, maybe, the first one fit that. And really, it was so early, he wasn’t cold, just it was early. NONE of those FTs should have been shot by Monta, yet 3 out of 4 were. He missed one and the game was close at the end, could have cost us.

Then, vs either Mia or Orl recently, Smart did it again, only this time Curry wasn’t in the game. But other, better than Monta FT shooters were in the game. Yet, Monta is who Smart sent to the line. Why? The only answer is Smart doesn’t rely on percentages. He relies on his gut, it seems, or some sense of “team.” But with FT% and tech ft’s?! That’s really kind of, well, stupid. Or really naive.

Smart is a great person. Hard worker. But i really wonder if Nellie didn’t prop him up due to some feeling of respect for Smart’s loyalty/hard work instead of a real feeling Smart would turn out to be a difference making head coach.

by supersugarCrisp on Jan 4, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Then, vs either Mia or Orl recently, Smart did it again, only this time Curry wasn’t in the game. But other, better than Monta FT shooters were in the game. Yet, Monta is who Smart sent to the line. Why? The only answer is Smart doesn’t rely on percentages. He relies on his gut, it seems, or some sense of "team." But with FT% and tech ft’s?! That’s really kind of, well, stupid. Or really naive.

Excellent points. Rec.

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 4, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It Is What It Is

As the Dubs get healthy and the team shapes up they actually look pretty good. I hate to say what I’m about to say because I’ve been a fan for a long time, especially after last season. But Curry is turning out to not be part of the big 3. Curry’s part of that distinction seems to have been taken by DWright. I’m even starting to feel more comfortable with Acie Law handling the ball. He in no way has more talent than Curry. He just seems to understand the PG position better, attacks the rim, plays much better defense, and the team seems to play better with him in the game. If the big 3 is now Ellis, Lee, and Wright all they need is a facilitator and defense at PG. Don’t sleep. Trade Curry now while you can get a lot for him. I got a real strong feeling they’ll be sorry if they don’t. If they don’t trade Curry now and he plays the way he has thru the season, his stock will drop and they will wish they had . If not, Curry may be more effective coming off the bench. Whoa you people who love curry like a soccer mom,,,,hear me out. Coming off the bench he could be instant offense (much like his father was) and he wouldn’t have to worry about being a liability on defense. I’m sure you all saw how Jameer Nelson had his way with him all last night. You can tell that Smart is trying to help Curry with his seemingly shattered confidence. That’s why he didn’t go up against Arenas at any point of the game last night…… I’m Just sayin

by Oaktownsoul on Jan 4, 2011 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

If we were built to win now, maybe

Otherwise trading Curry now is the stupidest thing the franchise could do, unless it’s for Russel Westbrook or something.

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by Badly Browned on Jan 4, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If they don’t trade Curry now and he plays the way he has thru the season, his stock will drop

His stock will drop if he keeps playing well?

Yes, let’s not just trade Curry … let’s trade Curry hastily, for whatever we can get.

I’m sure you all saw how Jameer Nelson had his way with him all last night.

You mean the same Jameer Nelson who was 4-9 from the floor for 11 points, with 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1 steal and 4 turnovers?

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 4, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

those stats speak volumes.

but i i do think that currys value could potentially drop.. i would never make any move hastily, we have just seen too many of those. hell, we could be championship caliber had we made the most of our previous trades or gotten the better end of the deal on those trades instead of the raw end. but, if we could package curry to get a legit big of elite status then i would do it. figuring out what to do with the warriors is as hard as when the rubiks cube FIRST CAME OUT. lets just take it apart and snap the pieces back in together and lie to our friends..

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

legit big of elite status

DHoward
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PGasol
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BGriffin, Bynum

Those are the only people in the league who really fit that description, imo, and none of them are going anywhere. When you get into the second tier, it gets a whole lot iffier — guys who are either too old, too injury prone, or who only really play on one end of the court. Who are you selling?

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 4, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

well, that sucks that two of those guys u mentioned are on the lakers..

and on that note if there really is no bigs then im not sure if i would move curry lol.
i wonder if we shopped him what kind of offers we would get.. out of curiosity sake

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's see

Curry is playing hurt. Only in his second season. Already has very very good game. The whole team has been hurt, especially the bigs, making it impossible to work on pick and rolls consistently, which is huge for the PG.

Curry still has issues with TOs, which is a concern but also to be expected due to still learning PG and our constant issues with injuries to the very players he’s trying to build consistency with.

Curry doesn’t do nearly as many jaw dropping things as Monta does, yet he also doesn’t do as many subtle to not so subtle things that hurt you, like Monta does. And Curry does his share of amazing too.

It seems obvious by now many people are using Curry’s great rookie year against him. Put up those rookie numbers and people’s expectations get out of whack, i guess.

You put a good head coach, a plan, a system of play….with a better fitting roster around Curry and you have a winning plan led by Curry. i cannot feel the same confidence with Monta.

Eventually Smart, Monta and AB need to be exchanged for a better coach, a larger, better defensively SG and a larger, better defensively C. Monta due to lack of team flow issues and hoops IQ, AB due some to hoops IQ but moreso just his lack of being a fit with Lee (AB is OK at best on D, not intimidating, silly fouls, cannot do much on O, can’t be played late due to FT issues etc.)

by supersugarCrisp on Jan 4, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m Just sayin

 If Binky hadn’t been injured for much of the season then sick for a week it might be something to worry about but till he plays crappy for a whole season while healthy I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. He was too good last half of last season to write off without some patience.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 4, 2011 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Despite the injury, he’s been producing at about the same level as last season. Higher scoring volume, same shooting efficiency, same ast/tov ratio, slightly worse rebounding. By many measures, he’s still the best player on the team. Overall, the team has been significantly better with him on court than without. And … he’s 22 and still learning a tricky position. Given the dearth of primary ballhandlers who are worth a damn, I’d guess his value to us still vastly outweighs whatever we might get for him in a trade. How many teams trade highly productive starting PGs who are 22 years old on the second year of a rookie scale contract?

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 4, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

How many teams trade highly productive starting PGs who are 22 years old on the second year of a rookie scale contract?

Just 1 and he’s on that team. Sigh.

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by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 4, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

if the price is right...

i would do way more that just currry for a dwight howard. i would even tank for a season or two like the kings

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

How well has that worked out for the KIngs?

How many Dwight Howards have appeared in the past 10 years?

I would trade the whole team (including Curry) for the Dwight Howard. I would trade very little of value for a long shot at “a Dwight Howard.”

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 4, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

only the one D.H. and i would trade the whole team for him too lol.

as far as the kings go i think they could be playing possum. its all speculation of course but i think they can be a solid team before we can. i think they can be there in a few years.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 4, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Despite the injury, he’s been producing at about the same level as last season.

 Yeah, I din’t mean to imply that he’s playin crappy now , I meant to say that until he plays crappy for a whole year healthy I’m not worried about him.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 4, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade Curry is to do the same mistake as Kings trading Kevin Martin

It is really a stupid idea. I think he is playing worse than the last year because of these substitution patterns and I worry about it

by Ambal on Jan 4, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose it's

a combo of the sub patterns like you say, but also his ankle and that last year he had free roaming, as in run and gun delight with minutes and freedom.

This year the team’s slowed a bit, more of its best players are playing at least some (they’re hurt, just less so this year,) so Curry’s pace has slowed, lowering stats along with the issues we’ve raised.

His numbers had to come down (compared to his last four months of last season streak, not whole season numbers.)

When there is some pick and roll history/time to gel in general with these players the TOs will go down.

Meanwhile the pure shot, crafty creating for others, heady court sense if yes, lacking one on one D (at least he’s pesky and gets stls and positions himself well, and only learning, becoming more crafty.)

by supersugarCrisp on Jan 4, 2011 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

Oops, ha

i’m a dumbass. Ambal’s post at 5:09

by supersugarCrisp on Jan 4, 2011 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

good bye rodney...

and keep Lin? questionable

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by okeephoss on Jan 4, 2011 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

Keeping Lin's ok with me.

But Law? The guy isn’t an NBA player. He shouldn’t be in the league.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 4, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Negative

Bell isn’t an NBA player. He can’t shoot, can’t drive, can’t defend or anything. If someone else should have been waived it was Bell, but his stupid contract saved him. I can only give him a begrudging pass because we got him dumping Maggette.

Law’s game was similar to Lin. Both drive the basket relentlessly, don’t really have much of a jumper, and both can hold their own on defense. Law, however, has confidence and can run a play without being all out of control. He’s also been more of a finisher at the basket, Lin spent his last few games here with almost every FGA blocked. Of course, Lin being the rookie he has potentially more “upside.”

The big thing I want to see Jeremy get from actually playing in the d-league is confidence in his game and of course working on his jumper. Law isn’t a long term solution either way, just a stop gap until Lin is ready.

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by Badly Browned on Jan 5, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

govna...

law, right now, can produce way more lin… lin sticks, but riley saw him in d league and said he was killing it, so who knows. GET A STAR to accompany maughnta and koorie

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by okeephoss on Jan 4, 2011 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

Hm, I’d consider Mayo for fourth guard if he could be had for next to nothing. He basically sucks, but he can at least shoot a little. I’m tired of watching defenses pack it in on Lin and Law because of their non-existent perimeter shooting.

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 5, 2011 5:02 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

I hope that the front office is at least on the phone with Memphis seeing what it would take to get Mayo…

He does basically suck, but we are talking about maybe 10 minutes a game here. I’m sick of seeing our back-up guards (besides Reggie) get their layups stuffed at the rim; at least a guy with an outsdide shot would force the D out to honor his shot a little

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 5, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

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