Turnaround May Be Imminent for Center Biedrins

Hopefully Biedrins can keep his confidence up

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Good job Keith.

Nice work.
And Rusty Simmons is garbage wow… Did he really say Udoh is the future back to the basket player we’ve been looking for…?

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 7:49 PM PST reply actions

Did he really say Udoh is the future back to the basket player we’ve been looking for…?

This feels so much like the Diogu hype of 2005.

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions

Except Diogu was kinda better.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions

OH please sayu that was sarcasm

He had the occasional nice offensive day but Diogu’s defense makes DLee look like Duncan

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions

He was probably better than Udoh.

At the same age. We haven’t seen Udoh with a training camp though, so we’ll see.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions

It's kind of a depressing argument in general

Who’s bettr Diogu or Udoh. Two top 10 picks. Ugh

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions

Udoh has already shown he is a way better defender

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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 31, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions

Diogu’s back to the basket game isn’t bad. It’s his lack of passing, and especially his defense, that are the issue….

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions

He has a good back to basket game for a 4th big man

He can’t exploit any of those moves against even an average defender with length. Just David Lee/Andris Biedrins

by tafkasam on Feb 1, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions

He’s a career 17.5 points per 36 on 57.6% effciency guy, and that’s mostly off of post ups….

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions

Offensively, that’s dang beastly. Sadly, he sucks at other things so much. I’m quite happy with Udoh, because big men need to play defense. He does.

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by Naticus on Feb 1, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions

Beans is heating up fast

If I were to pick a big from our roster atm, it’d be Beans not Lee.

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis

by ejdacanay on Jan 31, 2011 8:22 PM PST reply actions

Beans is heating up fast

so make a burrito. Maybe after all that practice Dre would like one ?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions

lmao good one

Just had Iguana’s (if you’re a SJ area native).

by ejdacanay on Jan 31, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions

See i knew SJ people were secretly LAKER fans!

haha just playing you’re a good warrior fan. But the South Bay is seriously laker territory.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions

Just had Iguana’s (if you’re a SJ area native).

no, but I’ve had alligator.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions

Iguana's burrito + LAvics orange sause = best burrito ever

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawkGSW on Jan 31, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions

im gonna be in san jo tomorrow.. just might try me one of them!

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 31, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions

make sure to get either the carne asada or pollo asado super burrito…also the nacho fries are bomb…

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawkGSW on Jan 31, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions

damn...i miss living in downtown san jose lol

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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 31, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions

carne asada super burrito is in my future!! plus nacho fries.. thanks 4 the advice

too bad i gotta be in san jose (community service lol) but at least a nice burrito will help ease the pain

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 31, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions

Iguana's burrito + LAvics orange sause = best burrito ever

if you are ever in santa cruz try Tacos Morenos on water street or if you want to eat your burrito on the beach El Palomar at the yacht harbor.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 1, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions

Lee's been excellent the past 2 weeks though...

They’re both on upward curves.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions

of offense*

I don’t see why you use that for Monta, but not Lee.

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by HerFavColor on Jan 31, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions

Honestly, I still think Lee is overrated

That backloaded contract just irritates me. He has heated up big this month, his best month of the season so far. Even then, I still think that contract was foolish.

by ejdacanay on Jan 31, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions

If he plays like this, his contract is fine.

We just need to involve him more in the offense.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions

That's if he can keep it up

I hope he does, but its his Defense that pisses me off. I’m an old school defense and rebounding team, ala Twin Towers, I just can’t take this soft Defense that our team specializes in.

by ejdacanay on Jan 31, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions

I think if he starts rebounding elitely again

It won’t be so much of an issue. But that’s if we clear up this problem in the backcourt defensively too.
Curry-Iggy-Dorell-Lee-Biedrins is close to average defensively IMO. Much better than anything we’ve put out there in last 5 years except for Baron-Pietrus-Barnes-Jackson-Biedrins. That was pretty good defensive lineup.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions

Yes, he definitely has to improve his rebounding

But it’ll be difficult with Beans on the floor at same time with me.

That defense would be pretty close to average actually. Would be far from the terrible defense we have now.

by ejdacanay on Jan 31, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions

I agree.

If we can get this team up to around average defensively, we’ll have a quasi- contender.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions

I still feel awful about trading Monta for Iggy

I’m not opposed to trading Monta but I feel we can get Iggy without giving up any of our starters.

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions

Why would Philly do that?

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions

theoretically, why would they want Monta (or Curry)?

They want to clear backcourt room and get some front court help. Our best bet is maybe the potential of Udoh/BW + Expiring. It gives them cap relief and young potential.

There’s also fact, Iggy is making a lot

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions

Interesting but

who comes off the bench?

by tandy on Jan 31, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions

Keep in mind that Lee was injuried earlier this year and has been playing through a lot of discomfort. hell, he still has a bandage on that wound. He also adds about 3ast per game. he’s a pretty good player and not that overpaid if you look at what other comparble PF’s are making.

by Balance on Jan 31, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions

Given his career numbers, I don't see any reason to think he can't keep up what he's been doing.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 1, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions

Lee's contract

If he plays like this, his contract is fine. We just need to involve him more in the offense.

I am not so sure, especially in the last couple of years of his contract (both at about $15mil). We obviously overpaid for the guy, but those last years in particular could be waaay out of line with his contributions…He is going to need to improve significantly!

$15 mil per year for him is “fine” ? Are you sure?

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions

Compare that to Amar'e or Boozer's contracts in their final 3 years and i think you'll think its better.

Amare will get 21.5 million and 23.5 million in his last 2 years at age 31 and 32.

Boozer will get 15.5 million and and 17 million at age 33 and 34.

Those players have had serious injury problems as well, and their futures don’t project that well. Lee however has always been a healthy player, and his type of game translates well with age. His most comparable players throughout his career don’t get too much worse from 27-33.

He will get 15 million a year at age 31 and 32. I think that’s a pretty good deal compared to his contemporaries.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions

ok, here’s some other cherry-picked examples to consider:

Odom: $8 mil per year
Pau: $19 mil per year
Horford $12 mil per year (flat)
David West: about $7 mil this year (but this will definately go up when his current contract expires

My point is that David Lee’s contract is bad…you just used two pretty bad contracts (especially as they mature) to prove that other bad contracts also exist….false consolation man….just because things could be worse does not mean that they are good

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions

In fairness here, Amare/Boozer aren’t necessarily cherry picked bad contracts. They were the other comparable players on the market to Lee this past season. They strike me as appropriate ones to pick and compare, though I would prefer to see more than two comparison points.

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions

yeah

I may have over-reacted to the Gov…

But my point is that his contract is not good.
A contributing factor is that I haven’t seen Lee play much prior to joining the Dubs…and then he’s got the gigantic hole in his elbow…so my opinion of Lee is solid, but not sky-high

The contract may indeed end up being “fine” but I think it is a little presumptuous to call it all good at this point

Same thing goes for Amare and Boozer…might be fine. But then again, if those guys go down with injury (or just general ineptitude) then those are some bad contracts IMO

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions

Well, to be fair about Odom -

- Odom took less money on his last deal to stay in L.A. He had better offers – or, at least, that’s the story.

But he likes L.A.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 1, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions

don't forget what hes been playing with

by Dr. Orpheus on Feb 1, 2011 2:27 AM PST up reply actions

uchh…still grosses me out every time I see it

I wonder if his team mates ever jokingly stick stuff in there when he’s not looking

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions

Month+ really

Really, about the time his elbow starting feeling normal he’s got consistently better. Like 18+ ppg at .590 TS%, 3.5+ apg and near 10 rebounds per 36. He can increase the rebounds.

If Biedrins D can improve (or Dwight Howard decides he loves Alcatraz and Jack London Square), I feel pretty good about the front court.

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions

This was a good article and i really hope Beidrins can start producing for this team. We need to be a 5 player team to compete, not 4 and a half. So i’m glad they are working to include him more but i still don’t see him as the long term answer. If his complete potential is 1-2 more baskets per game, it’s not enough for me. He has to rebound and be a MUCH better defender. His offense is to heavily reliant on others that we are too the point that we have to make a contious effort to get him going or else his ability to focus and contribute evaporates? I mean, that sounds high maintainance.

Smart seems to do a great job with player relations but his comment that “rebounding is just effort” isn’t completely true. Lee and Andris happen to have very quick feet and a quick jump. This makes them much more effective than Udoh will probably ever be. I certainly think he can improve but i don’t think he has the ability to be an elite rebounder like those two are. I’d be happy if he could get 8 per 36 vs his current 48.

by Balance on Jan 31, 2011 9:00 PM PST reply actions

I think if we’re talking about Andris playing up to his potential, we’d have a version that will be able to focus/contribute whether we make the continuos effort to get him going or not, right? Basically, we’d have the We Believe version of Biedrins…

by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions

I think the best andris for me was the 08-09 andris who had something like 25 straight double doubles? He showed signs of improvement and ability to step up in the absense of Baron and Monta. Gave me real hope to believe he could be a very very good center.

But I’d settle for we believe andris

by tafkasam on Feb 1, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions

best andris for me was the 08-09 andris who had something like 25 straight double doubles?

since We Believe team he’s been playing along experienced vets
We Believe Baron still is best PG Andris have been playing with on the same team -and i guess his oncourt chemistry with captain Jack was great

Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.

by Lat We N Trash on Feb 1, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions

Jack

was, IMO, better able to hit Beans with that little bounce pass on screen and rolls, or even just rolls…

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions

The problem really is that Baron and Jackson were so much better at involving Biedrins than Monta was.

And now those 2 are gone…

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 31, 2011 9:11 PM PST reply actions

So you are feeding him excuses? I never heard so many excuses feed a player not named Alex Smith. i think if Biedins wants to be more involved he should’ve been making himself more available.

by Balance on Jan 31, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions

he should’ve been making himself more available.

he’s been -someone just should to recognise it

Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.

by Lat We N Trash on Feb 1, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions

What about Curry

I still maintain it’s mostly Biedrins fault. Monta and Curry find Lee well enough. Biedrins for majority of this season has been afraid to EVER go to the hoop. How can you find a guy who blatantly doesn’t want to score?

by tafkasam on Jan 31, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions

i completely agree but it’s also a byproduct of Smart’s FLEX system that doesn’t really have predetermined ball movement. I actually think Lee and Biedrins would do well together in the Triangle or a high post low post play. They are both good passers. Lee on the high post, cause he can drive and shoot but generally Beidrins is best when he’s flashing which requires him to want to have the ball. That Euro spread play where he’s on the baseline and the ball handler is basically in isolation beats his man and runs to the Centers defender while beidrins Streaks from the baseline weak side seems to be his most effective play.

by Balance on Feb 1, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions

were so much better at involving Biedrins than Monta and Curry was

Fixed

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by dubzfan on Jan 31, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions

Lol, if only you did.

by belilaugh on Feb 2, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions

Monta mainly kicks it out to 3 point shooters

Curry should be doing the pick and roll because he’s a better shooter

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by HerFavColor on Jan 31, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions

Agree. Monta is a better passer from the wing than the top of the key.

by Balance on Feb 1, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions

Maybe Dorell can have that kind of relationship. Saw a couple of nice passes for dunks during the Bobcat game.

by tandy on Jan 31, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions

not skilled enough

in ball handling/decision making.

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by HerFavColor on Feb 1, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions

That may be due to inexperience. In time, he may be able to pull that stuff off. He’s very talented.

by Naticus on Feb 1, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions

it will be an interesting next month of watching beans.

hopefully he pulls it together. he has the potential to be a decent big. plus his free throws look WAY better, still awkward but WAY better. and i like his pump fake moves now.. he needs to work those more.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 31, 2011 10:57 PM PST reply actions

Big props to coach Smart

“Coach kicked everybody else out of the drill. It was just me, Monta (Ellis) and Biedrins,” point guard Stephen Curry said. “We produced a lot of trust between the three of us. We believe that Biedrins will finish plays when we give him the ball, and he believes that we’re going to look to get him the ball.”

He is realizing that this is a priority, Our center situation has just been unacceptable lately. Beans absolutely MUST get back to form. I know there is only so much time in practice to work on things, but I am pleased as punch to see Beans getting prioritized.

Nice to see the Dubs getting in some practice time!
It will be interesting to see how the Dubs come out playing at the end of this week.

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 10:11 AM PST reply actions

shouldn't this have been a priority on day 1?

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by Evanz on Feb 1, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions

yeah, totally

but our team is a mess
I’m sure this was just more work on this

We have a bunch of new players, a (sorta) new offensive system, new coach

By definition, you can only have so many top priorities.
Although I have some sort of inherent dislike of defending Smart, I do think it is good coaching for him to recognize that this issue must be given a higher priority

Plus, I think this is the biggest break in the Dubs schedule since December. So it’s not like they have wasted a bunch of days playing HORSE or anything

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions

Our center situation has just been unacceptable lately. Beans absolutely MUST get back to form. I know there is only so much time in practice to work on things, but I am pleased as punch to see Beans getting prioritized.

or it’s like the car situation where you can invest lots of time and money in an old clunker but might be better off trading it in for a new model?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 1, 2011 11:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

hahah yeah, kinda

but maybe you can’t afford (or find) your new car yet…so you change the sprack plugs and rotors one last time hoping that you can get it to pass the smog test

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 1, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions

I like Biedrins progress

But if he could get back to “We believe” after year, and he puts the worst behind him. There is still a temperment problem we can’t be at all sure won’t reoccur. Even with a solid Biedrins , we are still a team that won’t make it beyond the second round. And if we could use his increased value or not, or just do a trade to get a player to either complement Biedrins or replace him, ( easier said than done ) I’d be for it.

Actually I think Biedrins string of doubles was 15 games over 2 seasons, I believe he tied but did not break a Warrior record and had 9 rebounds ion the 16th game.

by War Years Legacy on Feb 2, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions