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Recap #37: Golden State Warriors 91 @ LA Clippers 105 - I Want My Afternoon Back

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Blake Griffin was definitely king of the hill today.



This was a stinker of a game with no flow, tons of fouls, and not a single Warrior worth talking about. I think I want my afternoon back. Oh yeah, hey, how about that Blake Griffin huh?

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Good young bigs are worth their weight in gold.

Blake Griffin: 251 lbs = 3660 ozt

So with gold's current price per ounce, that would make Blake worth about $5,025,180, which strangely enough is pretty close to the roughly $5.4 mil that he is actually making this year. So I guess good young bigs are worth more than their weight in gold. Of course Blake Griffin isn't just a good young big, he's the kind of player that can turn a franchise around. The Clippers hit the jackpot with him, and although the turnaround was delayed by a season due to injury, it looks like the Clippers have a legit franchise player to build around.

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Speaking of good young bigs, it looks like DeAndre Jordan is finding a way to put his length and athleticism to good use. He looks like he might be a good match next to Blake with his shot blocking, rebounding, and ability to convert efficiently at the rim. Not to mention, this might have been the first time I've seen him play that he didn't make a bone-headed play. That could be a very unscientific measure of improvement right there.

Sure, the Clippers still have their fair share of problems. They are still sporting a worse record than our very own struggling Warriors, and they have some less than desirable contracts on the books, but they have the one thing that really matters. In this league of Superstars, they have what could be a Superstar big man in Blake Griffin. Now that is a spoonful of sugar that would make even the Baron Davis contract go down smooth. That is certainly not good news for a team like the Warriors who are hoping they can be the new up and coming team in the Pacific division in the near future.

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Um... Yeah, I'll have to get back to you on that one.

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BW cause he got in

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Jan 9, 2011 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

he should have been in way earlier

smart had freaking gadz in during garbage time without udoh or wright….

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Jan 9, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

what is the benefit of having gadz in in garbage minutes

it is a chance to give experience and see your younger players.

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawkGSW on Jan 10, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Must've been his crazy rebound rate.

240 per 48!!!!

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

yeah, he was just padding his stats at that point

would have been more funny if he had tried one in off his head or something. You know, just to change it up

Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

LA-Cs are ready to overtake

the Oaktowners — their composition with size in the back court and both defense and scoring from the bigs trump the norcal squad’s make-do roster. Of course Sterling’s bunch found ways to self destruct before, but is that something to rely on? Which team will make better personnel decisions, stay healthy, or see better coaching ? What have Lacob or Smart done to earn the fans’ confidence besides their rhetoric and p.r. ?

Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)

by the.monk on Jan 9, 2011 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not turning on Lacob.

But he seems pretty corny now based on the fact it seems a lot of his talk was just that- talk. The emails are cool, but to fans like us when he says in the email that Keith Smart is doing an excellent job, and that Monta can’t do anything better than he is doing now (which is ridiculous, all players can be doing something better, especially Monta/Curry) it seems like he’s just trying to sell the product. I actually want to see smart calculated decisions. The right move would be Ellis for Igoudala or Granger. Would Lacob be willing to do that? Even if fans are pissed, down the line, they’ll forget when the teams better. But is he willing to make those kind of moves? Not sure. Waiting to see.

Keith Smart is pretty clueless at this point. He had an 11 man rotation today before garbage time. That was odd. Sitting Curry for 15 minutes in a row was odd. Using Gadzuric over Udoh and Wright in the blowout was odd. I don’t get it. This guy doesn’t seem capable. I’m not sure us winning or making the 8 seed really changes that. If we win, it’s because we just have to much talent to be 7 games or so under .500. And i’m still haunted by that interview where he claimed Morrow’s departure was the reason we were scoring less points this season. I watch his interviews, and he says nothing semblancing intelligence or wit. He just says, " Oh man", and nods his heads and says the usual rhetoric. If he’s brought back by Lacob, i think that will just prove the point he’s trying to get credit and such. Smart is Lacob’s man. If he isn’t brought back, isn’t that somewhat of a failure? He did fire Don Nelson for Smart. If he fires Smart, it’s kinda like, what was the point? Nellie seemed engaged from the All-Star break until the end of the season, it seemed topped off by the legendary rule book maneuvering in the final game vs. Portland. Looks like we should have possibly brought him back. Not sure, tough call.

Larry Riley is the one person in charge that i have much complaints for. I think he did a good job this offseason. He built this team for Don Nelson. Not Keith Smart. I think Nellie would have done a much better job utilizing Lee, Curry and AB than Smart has. Lou and Dorell for the MLE? That’s a bargain. Udoh’s looking like a decent pick. Not good but not too terrible. Only gripe is that we didn’t resign CJ but that’s it. But if i see some short sighted deals take place this deadline where we make lateral moves, that could all change. I’m waiting to see if Riley has a plan. I’m sure he does, but will he stick to it? We’ll have to see.

Monta Ellis' #1 FAN!!!

by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 9, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with pretty much everything you said. We will see if Lacob has the guts to trade a fan favorite (whether it be Monta, Curry, or Biedrins) if the team does not play significantly better by the trade deadline.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 10, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

did you see CURRY get two fouls in the first two minutes of the game??

the first one was 14 seconds into it.. I WAS LIKE F********!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KNOCK IT OFF .. EITHER foul hard or dont foul at all.. it was a long day for me… luckily i was able to work on my sail boat, (only commititing two carpenter like fouls during the process, which i was able to just re do, unlike b ball) we missed half our F******************* FREETHROWS. SLOPPY SLOPPY GAME… who wants to push griff around now?? (i do i do. plus beans, for good measure)

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 10, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

luckily i was able to work on my sail boat,

Real pirates don’t call them boats (unless they’ve been tossed in the boat buy the scurvy crew) They’re ships man, manly ships, manly I say !!!

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 10, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

VLAD was the only one to foul PROPERLY ALL SEASON LONG . (caps lock for emphasis)

if you are going to foul someone DONT let them get/ or take a f’n SHOT. (please look at the period coz that is the last thing said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 10, 2011 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

riley has done GOOD. im my HUMBLE opinion...

i think i need to see an EPIC FAIL or a couple wth’s in order to change me stance.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 10, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

PLUS Mr.GOV dont you thing if we are going to foul a team FIFTY TWO TIMES

that we should at least get our moneys worth? (reflect back on the foul curry endured during our victory over the cavs) WHOS FAULT IS THIS NOW????

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 10, 2011 1:22 AM PST up reply actions  

*think..

and what i mean is that since curry got fouled in SAID NATURE that shouldnt we commit 52 fouls JUST LIKE THAT? the NBA and the refs that ensure the quality of the game say its ok to do just like that.

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Jan 10, 2011 2:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Short and simple

The worst thing the owner can do is a knee jerk trade just to satisfy a bunch of fans. That is no way to run a baskeball team or business.

"I consider Kobe to be one of the most overrated players of my lifetime."
by One dumb Anon poster on Jan 8, 2011 7:21 PM PST

by GSW Inflatulation on Jan 10, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Lacbo’s officially been owner for what, 4 months now? As much fun as it is to think it’s possible to just go out and make great moves for your team whenever you feel like it…there are realities to deal with, like other teams not wanting what we’re willing to offer in a trade enough to make it happen….have some patience. Sometimes it takes years to rebuild a team.

by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Patience is a thing I'd say we have a lot of.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly. He didn’t exactly inherit a perennial contender.

Though I can understand impatience from the fans, there has not been much to suggest that waiting things out will lead to good results.

by belilaugh on Jan 10, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

No, Smart being fired wouldn't be an indication of failure.

Well, yea it would on Smart’s part but not Lacob’s. If you remember, the sale didn’t go through until late in the offseason. Not many coaching options available. If anything blame Riley for firing Nellie. That was stupid, should’ve brought him back for one year. But that’s all hindsight now.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Nellie firing

I recall that as being one of the decisions Lacob was taking credit for early in his tenure?
No?

Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, can't remember haha.

I remember Riley talking about it, but who’s decision it originally was I don’t know.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Need to be patient and give it time.

They’ve only owned the team for about 2-3 mos. now. You’re expecting him to turn water int wine with what we have. As has been mentioned already there are a ton of factors leading as to why we haven’t made moves. The right ones haven’t surfaced, other teams aren’t willing, something seems off etc. I’m sure they’ll pull the trigger when they feel like it gives them the best shot. If anything he wants to sell tickets, how do you sell tickets with a bad team? People are jumping the gun awfully early on Lacob, I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far, and you can only hope to see something by Feb. Hold your early reservations, they are unneeded panic at this point.

by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Jan 11, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Meh, I’m not sold on the Clippers. I like Griffin a ton and Jordan a decent amount, and Gordon’s been scoring at a high level this year, but that team still has a long way to go.

by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

A little pre-mature

They took the team over in november. What moves can they make? Sadly I think we need to give them atleast 2 offseasons to get a feel for direction they want to take the team.

by tafkasam on Jan 10, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

This offseason is key.

Fire the whole coaching staff. Start anew. Depending on the moves Riley makes, keep him. But if a better fit for Lacob’s style comes along I wouldn’t mind them going that way.

We need a major shakeup. The roster as is just smacks of same ol’ same ol’.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

I like what Smart has done so far. I’m not convinced but he should be credited with really getting the players to play for him with passion every night.

I am not willing to rule on said matter until the summer is over.

What I know is he has sub-.500 (in the west) talent. We’ve literally overpaid every player, except MAYBE monta, even then probably have. DLee was never worth his contract. I like him but he’s not a 12-13 mil player. I mean what on this roster makes you think we are more than a .500 team? Seriously…. DLee played on a sub-.500 eastern conference team as an all star. Biedrins is paid probably triple his current production worth, that’s not Smarts fault. He’s done everything possible to motivate biedrins. He defends him nonstop to the media, so does Riley. His problems are neither of there faults, they inherited him.

  The rest of players are low pay players who are more or less overproducing or on par (Dorell is definitely over producing, Lou, and the smaller contracts are fair, and then we have expirings which we don;t know what wukk amount to). The x-factor is Curry but people seem to forget he’s still only in his second year and 222 (and injured).

I agree we need a shake up. I just don’t think it’s Smart’s fault. Atleast not yet,..

by tafkasam on Jan 10, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Smart needs to mold this offense better.

Drive and kick isn’t going to be there all game. We all see this. That’s when we get largely perimeter. I don’t see many adjustments being made there. And why oh why has he totally decommissioned the Pick and Roll?

I watch Knicks and Suns games and think we should run as many PnR’s as they do.

Smart isn’t the problem, it’s largely the players. But that’s how it always is in the NBA. You need the talent first. I just don’t think Smart is as talented and maybe I just have a quicker hook than you. Largely fire or keep Smart in the immediate future is not going to make a big difference if we keep the same players.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

When David Lee starts playing better I still think we’re around a .500 to slightly above .500 team. We’re not a good defensive team, obviously, but we should be a better than average offensive team (so far this year we’ve been average). We have the talent for it. It’s also unacceptable that we’ve been the worst defensive rebounding team in the NBA – this year we have guys that can rebound, we have guys to play a real lineup (instead of Maggette at 4)….that’s another area we should be doing better in.

by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Monta, Curry and Acie were smoking something shortly before the game. Maybe a couple other teammates. How many STUPID plays were there? Stupid. Stupid. Super stupid plays. Fouls and turnovers were disgusting.

Dorell looked really good out there. I was really happy with his play. Udoh was fine, Biedrins rebounded and Reggie seemed to do okay. As usual, Brandan’s offense looked good, but he wasn’t aggressive enough on the glass.

Holy crap, though. Way to self-destruct, you weak minded Warriors. Geze. Also, Amundson looked intimidated trying to hang with the Clippers bigs. He should have sat or had Smart in his face trying to get him to play right.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Jan 9, 2011 11:51 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it wasn’t bad. I was just watching him a couple of plays and wanted him to be more active on the glass. I still love his offense.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Jan 10, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I still have faith in Curry to become a top 15 player in this league.

It seems like if we ever give him enough touches, he could be a guy down the line that averages 25 points a game on really good efficiency. His defense, when he isn’t fouling (which is a huge problem) is pretty decent. Good enough to be average and possibly better. Coach K noticed it too. The ankle issues don’t help him.
He’s a good passer, but he needs the ball alot to get going. He will eventually find guys but he’s not Jason Kidd or Steve Nash (at least in regard to passing).

Monta Ellis' #1 FAN!!!

by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 10, 2011 12:03 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think Steph has played more than a couple minutes per game of actual point guard this season, but the second someone suggests trading Ellis they think its because that person has something against Ellis. IMO, the only way we will get to see how good Steph can be is if the offense is changed to be run by Curry (New Coach) which makes Ellis expendable.

At the beginning of the season it was said that Ellis would play off the ball so Steph could play the point. This hasn’t happened. Ellis was going to be working off the ball making cuts and slashing to the basket. I don’t think I have seen this more than a couple times the entire season. This is probably because he is much better with the ball in his hands using his quickness to beat people off the dribble.

I think Ellis is a terrific player, but it’s just not going to work for our back court. I think we can get another terrific player in return that better fits our team.

I just don’t see how our coaching staff has completely neglected what looked to be successful the last third of last season (especially when it was Steph accompanied by D-leaguers). I may just be a Curry fan, but the coach hasn’t made it a priority to put Steph in a position to be successful and most effective.

Done ranting.

Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry

by dont_stop_believin' on Jan 10, 2011 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Steph was horrible yesterday

so far this year, Steph hasn’t been consistent and durable. Those are two things I would want to see in a guy before I decide to build my team around him.
if we traded Monta for a better defender, and relied on Curry to provide more offense, our win column would probably be cut in half. unless the goal is tanking for the lottery, with hopes of a Griff type pick… You guys are putting way too much stock in #30
I’m a Curry fan, but he’s got a long way to go before we can feel confident that he’s developed his game as more than a knockdown shooter …and honestly, straight up …without Monta, this team is pretty terrible.
It’s just a guess, but I think if Curry were put in the position of needing to carry this team offensively (as you guys seem to wish for), it would set him back in his progress, and his subsequent failures would probably have the fans calling for a trade. Heck, you guys are already calling for a trade on our best player. It might be good to know what we’ve got before dumping all of our players that we know have talent. (anyone recall any recent trades of good players who are still playing at a high level elsewhere, while we tried to over-think what type of team we wanted to build?)

by dubwise on Jan 10, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

but I think if Curry were put in the position of needing to carry this team offensively (as you guys seem to wish for), it would set him back in his progress, and his subsequent failures would probably have the fans calling for a trade

  Make him run 1000 in game pick and rolls with DLee, Udon, BrokenWing and ADris before you give up on him. when he’s put in a position to use his handling skills he usually comes up with something good. Just making him give the ball to Montay then go stand in the corner is not showing his true point guard potential.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 10, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I forgot, what was a pick n roll again.

I must go watch some Suns and Knicks games.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s just a guess, but I think if Curry were put in the position of needing to carry this team offensively (as you guys seem to wish for), it would set him back in his progress, and his subsequent failures would probably have the fans calling for a trade.

Do you realize that Curry scores a whopping 2.2 fewer points per 36 minutes on the floor than Monta does?

The notion that his game would fall apart if he was asked to score 2.2 more points every 36 minutes is just freaking absurd.

Curry was awful yesterday. So was Monta. So was nearly everyone.

by Ronaldinho on Jan 10, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Thanks. I’m not sure where that one came from.

by olympicmike on Jan 10, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

BWright's stint

So I had some time to rewatch parts of this game. And I watched BWright’s stint during the 3rd and early 4th qtr to see why Smart might have pulled him. As always, since I don’t know what Smart expects out of BWright, I can only take guesses at what BWright might have done to cause Smart to pull him.

After watching BWright’s stint a few times in a row now, one thing that stands out to me is his body language. His body language looks like a guy who’s tentative and undecisive. A couple of times, I see him watching a play, waiting to see what happens, and then he makes a decision on where to move. It’s like he doesn’t have the instinct to see what will happen with the play and then automatically react without hesitation and in rhythm with the play.

In addition to the body language, there were 2 offensive plays that made me suspect that BWright doesn’t “fully get” what’s happaning on the floor and what he should do in a play.

- 3rd qtr, 2:50: Acie brings up the ball. He passes to Radman at the wing 3. who is “triple threating” his defender. BWright is posted at the high post at the top corner of the key near Radman. Acie Law cuts through and runs towards the baseline. As Acie stops by the baseline, he turns and points in the direction of BWright. BWright suddenly reacts with a hop and curls around towards the baseline also, drawing his defender and opening up the lane for Radman’s drive.

Now, it doesn’t sound that wrong the way I described it. But there’s something about the timing of the play combined with the way BWright hopped in response to Acie pointing at him that made it look like BWright’s reaction was an “oops, was I supposed to rotate?” When I see that Gadz and Reggie rotated towards Radman without any hesitation as BWright got near the baseline, I really suspect that BWright didn’t know what he was supposed to do in that play.

- 4th qtr, 11:07: This was his final play before he got subbed out. Udoh is near the top center of the 3 pt line. He passes to Acie at the wing 3 and is now in triple threat position. BWright is already set in position to give a screen on Acie’s right side. Both Acie and BWright hold their position for a couple of moments. Then BWright slowly and tentatively switches sides and sets a screen on Acie’s left side. Acie drives left and pass to Curry.

This is the other play that makes me suspicious about BWright knowing what to do. It took him a long time before he decides to switch sides as Acie’s screener. Either he didn’t understand which side he was supposed to set that screen, or it took him a while to understand what Acie wanted. Now it’s possible that Acie took a moment to decide what to do before asking BWright to switch sides. But even if I give that explanation to BWright, it doesn’t explain how tentative and slow he looked when he switched screen sides, ESPECIALLY for a guy who is supposed to be fighting for minutes.

While watching BWright, I had a chance to watch Gadz also. Gadz doesn’t have much skill, but at least he’s active: he hops around and moves hard and sharply around the floor. BWright doesn’t show any of that sharpness. And if Keith Smart is still sticking to his “All tentative guys have got to take a seat” statement he proclaimed during training camp (and I don’t see why he’d change away from that), then I can see why Gadz plays ahead of BWright.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 10, 2011 12:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I turned it off before Wright got into the game… but if he still doesn’t understand where he should be at times, especially after sitting out and watching for so long, I don’t know what to say.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 10, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

and I’m not claiming my analysis is 100% accurate. But it WOULD explain why Smart doesn’t want to play him.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 10, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Lacob should send down a mandate.

No reason for Gadz going in for garbage time over Udoh.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Sitting out and watching aren’t exactly the best time to learn that stuff. It takes reps for that stuff to become second nature.

by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff, I always enjoy seeing film analysis.

by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Udoh's last stint

Since I’m watching around the start of the 4th qtr, I decided to watch Udoh’s final stint in the 4th qtr as well. In the case of Udoh, I think the “gumby shoulders” got him pulled. At first, I thought maybe the gumby shoulders were from apathy, but I watched his 4th qtr stint once more, and it looked more like gumby shoulders of fatigue rather than apathy. Udoh played really actively, and that included battling guys for positioning and jumping for blocks and rebounds. Perhaps his conditioning still isn’t high enough to repeatedly battle and jump against opposing big guys yet.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 10, 2011 12:51 AM PST reply actions  

What baffles me

is that Coach K is supposed to be a players coach…supposedly :) Then, why doesn’t he talk to Beans more? Why doesn’t he encourage him more? Why doesn’t he figure out how to deal with the problems Steph has as a pg this year? Why does Brandon Wright look like a lost puppy when on the floor? Smart has been going to Latvia for 4 years in a row now! Him and Beans are basically spending their holidays together. So why is Beans strugling in Smart’s system? The few seconds per possesion when he’s in a good position Monta, Steph or whoever has the ball seem to not notice Biedrins’s advantage and he doesn’t get the ball, just keeps running around.. Why doesn’t Smart design plays for the center? Whenever Smart used to get in for Nellie, I remember those games being… just being more in sync. Meaning that everyone knew what they were doing, more or less. Maybe im wrong.
But seriously, what’s going on? I don’t believe that Beans is so dull, that nothing Smart says or does can help him. Same goes for BW etc. And if there really is something wrong with Smart’s approach to players, then there is no guessing what Smart’s reasons are[for his rotations etc]..

THE SKY! THE SKY IS FALLING!

by chickenlittle on Jan 10, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

We dont know how much Smart talks to his players

The problem with Nellie was that he would call guys out and praise them right out in front of the media. So we get this perception of Nellie with his “favorites” and those in his “doghouse.” We dont know what is said to the guys in the locker room or during practice/shoot-around.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 10, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I just think

that because of the time he spent being the assistant coach Smart has the experience of talking to players, being the link between the head coach and the team [if needed, ofcourse]. That’s why I call him a ‘players coach’. And I do believe he maintains the relationships needed with every or most of the players, although i’ve never been to a practice or the locker room.. :)

THE SKY! THE SKY IS FALLING!

by chickenlittle on Jan 10, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Psychological roadblocks

When it comes to psychological roadblocks, there’s only so much a friend/colleague/manager/coach/whoever can do to try to help that person get over the roadblock. In the end, it’s up to that person to face his own roadblock, identify the root cause, and resolve it himself.

So as far as encouraging Biedrins, I think Smart DOES try to encourage Biedrins, just as he tries to encourage Reggie Williams to be more aggressive, according to a recent Rusty article. But the problem is that Biedrins simply can’t get over his own mental roadblock. Remember, Biedrins went to see a psychologist over the summer, so his roadblock is pretty serious. That makes Biedrins a “delicate” person to work with, mentally speaking. So I think Smart doesn’t want to overpush Biedrins out of his comfort zone and make him lose confidence in himself. He wants everyone to play together in a functioning system as a cohesive team, so he has to be careful with Biedrins. That’s “nice” of Keith Smart to be gentle with Biedrins, but that makes Biedrins a psychological weak link on the team.

And remember what we saw from last season: When Nellie tried to get Biedrins to do more, Biedrins reacted by not playing offense, thereby protecting himself from going to the FT line and embarrassing himself. Nellie pointed out that Biedrins would “hide” in a pick and roll. Also, Monta showed hints of frustration with Biedrins by saying that he just “needs to play basketball”, implying to me that Biedrins isn’t reacting properly to the plays that Monta tried to set up. While it hasn’t been anywhere near that bad this season, there are subtle hints that he’s still afraid of the FT line, and it’s therefore possible that he is subtly taking himself out of the offense once again. If that’s the case, that could explain why the guards aren’t getting the ball to Biedrins in plays that you think they could have. Personally, I haven’t noticed plays where Biedrins had a scoring opportunity and the guards ignore it, but I haven’t been looking for that either.

As for Biedrins “struggling” in Smart’s offense, my only guess is that Smart’s offense works better with a traditional center, and Biedrins is not a traditional center. I don’t know anything about offensive schemes, so that’s all I can guess.

As for BWright, the same thing I said above applies to BWright. Ultimately, the only person that can get over his tentativeness is himself. BWright has been tentative even during the Nellie days, so it’s not like something Smart did to make him this way, and it’s not likely that Smart will be able to make him change.

As for Smart’s approach with the players, the fact that this team is playing better than earlier in the season and that they’re still practicing hard and lively (at least according to Smart) tells me that Smart’s doing SOMETHING right with regards to handling the players.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 10, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

intelligent post, right there

I wasn’t really trying to suggest that Smart is not doing his job properly, I was just wondering aloud.
You know, Biedrins has sort of a reputation of being an outgoing, fun guy. Not shy at all. In Latvia. Can it be that even in the 7th season he’s still shy of an american audience? Really? I just don’t get it. To be honest, I also don’t believe that ‘psychologist business’, because I think it was in Latvia, so.. Not so sure how serious those visits were. I mean, he could’ve just done that to make a point where he looks like he’s trying his best to solve the issues he has. I really, really want the guy to succeed. He has what it takes.
The scoring possibilities are there. However, more often than not they are not utilized.. And then I read an article in Latvian Press about Smart wanting Beans to be more aggresive on the offensive end. We all do, I think, but at this point I’m starting to question our ballhandlers floor vision or perception or whatever. Because I have been paying more attention Biedrins and because of that I’m perhaps seeing more of those instead of nice-little-and-secure-pnr’s-taken-bad-shots-by-perimeter-players.
However, Biedrins has to step up. Soon! He’s a big guy. Has very decent skills. Has speed. His private life is okay, I guess. No reason not to play better for the team.

Wright.. I remember how I just used to hate him simply for being the other half in the J-Rich giveaway. Despite of that factor, when he plays and plays decently and helps the team the hate just kind of vanishes. The dude[who slightly resembles Oscar from Shark Tale] still can be a good piece in our puzzle.
As for Reggie.. You know, I really, really liked that team we had with Morrow, Buke and Watson.. I really did. For me as a fan it’s somehow hard to accept new faces and let go the old ones, so I’m not that fond of Reggie, yet. Hopefully, he will overcome his insecurity or what is it that’s in his way. Hopefully they all will. I don’t care for adding Iggy, Gasol, Randolph or anyone for that matter, to this team. I care about this team that we have right now, about them being the successful bunch that they can be.
Okay, need to stop my nonsense flowing. Off to cook me self some chicken…

THE SKY! THE SKY IS FALLING!

by chickenlittle on Jan 10, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Beautiful

Sums up all my assertions.

by tafkasam on Jan 10, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

While it hasn’t been anywhere near that bad this season, there are subtle hints that he’s still afraid of the FT line, and it’s therefore possible that he is subtly taking himself out of the offense once again.

Like the fact he goes to line less per minute than any starting center in nba and less than 25% as often as he did in 08/09 for ex.

I don’t think it’s Smarts offense. I think it’s all on Biedrins and his mental issues

by tafkasam on Jan 10, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

As for BWright, the same thing I said above applies to BWright. Ultimately, the only person that can get over his tentativeness is himself. BWright has been tentative even during the Nellie days, so it’s not like something Smart did to make him this way, and it’s not likely that Smart will be able to make him change.

See thats the problem. I see your point, it’s valid. But just because someone’s tentative doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to play. You play the ‘soft’ and tentative player who’s overall better than someone who just displays their toughness or energy but really isn’t all that good. Keith tends to value his gut and opinion on certain skills more than the actual data. That’s the problem and that’s why he played Radmanovic (moronically) because he rotated well on defense and knew plays, even if Radmanovic completely sucked and we had players like Adrien and Brandan who deserved his PT (at that point in the season). He values comfortability and he is not a quick thinker. Smart’s not the greatest tactical coach.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 10, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's consistency he values, not comfortability.

Vlad knows where to be on D and makes his roto’s. He’s just not a physically good defender.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha true.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

hey Mikki Moore played ok for us!

we got what we paid for

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you know what what being tentative is? It means being indecisive. Do you know what indecision turns into? Hesitation. And do you know what results from hesitation? Late defensive rotations, late to the loose balls, missed rebound opportunities, missed pick and roll, give and go, drive and kick opportunities, and missed open shot opportunities.

The floor game of basketball requires teamwork. It requires each player to react to what his teammates and opponents are doing. If one player doesn’t know what to do, or hesitates in doing it, it holds up the play for the others and you lose a potential opportunity to score. In the example I gave, Reggie and Gadz could not rotate, and Radman could not drive until BWright recognized what he was supposed to do and curled to the baseline, which created the lane for Radman.

Have you ever been in line to order food and the guy in front of you reaches the head of the line, and yet he still stands there and continues to look at the menu, trying to decide what he wants to order? That’s bound to be frustrating for the rest of the people in line who are ready and willing to place their order. That’s the same kind of frustration that players will have when they play with indecisive players who don’t recognize and react correctly as a play is being run.

And if you want to allow one tentative player to play, then you must be fair and allow 5 tentative players to play together. Do you know what happens when you play 5 indecisive players together? You get Warriors basketball from earlier this season, where the offense is stagnant and frustrating, small deficits felt like large ones, and fast breaks turn into zero points and loss of possession. All because nobody can decide what to do.

So if you want to allow tentative players to play for you, then go ahead. Meanwhile, I’ll put out sharp, aggressive, and competitive players onto the floor who will outhustle, outbox, outrotate, outposition, outrun, outbattle, outplay, and outcompete your tentative players. Have fun with that.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 11, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Meanwhile, I’ll put out sharp, aggressive, and competitive players onto the floor who will outhustle, outbox, outrotate, outposition, outrun, outbattle, outplay, and outcompete your tentative players. Have fun with that.

If the team’s better with the tentative performers in and the tentative performers are better than the aggressive ones, it doesn’t matter.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 11, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Explain how a team can be “better” with tentative players. Explain how a team can function properly with indecisive, hesitant players. Explain why a coach should accept a lack of aggressiveness and competitiveness, and explain why the players will buy into such a setup.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 11, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Explain how a team can be "better" with tentative players

 If they are bigger faster and stronger even with a very mellow tentative attitude they can still beat the small weak guys and do it with less effort.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 11, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

If the bigger/faster/stronger team is playing tentatively, then they are not playing very fast and/or very strong, and they are not executing their plays sharply. The smaller weaker team that is playing hard and aggressive can outspeed them using quick double teams and getting into the passing lanes, which disrupts plays, forces steals and turnovers, and triggers fast breaks. In this example, the weaker team is forcing the bigger team into making decisions and adjustments at a very quick rate, and an indecisive team that can’t respond and react quick enough as a team will soon be very uncomfortable and eventually be frustrated out of the game.

This is why sharpness and quick decision making is an important element for players to have. When the opposing defensive pressure is coming on hard, you need to be able to decide on Plan B while under pressure and execute it at a snap. Otherwise, your opponent will smother you.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 12, 2011 6:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not a fan of the word aggressiveness, personally. It seems to me aggressiveness is almost always regarded as something that will help, rather than hurt. I think if the term is being used properly that simply is not true – it’s not something that is always better. Sometimes it is worse – like when you’re more aggressive in challenging shots and end up in foul trouble, or more aggressive in taking away passing lanes and get more steals but also end up out of position more often, or more aggressive on offense leading to force shots/charges, etc…..

by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2011 6:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you’re talking about over-aggressiveness in execution. There’s a point where you need to balance aggression with self control and discipline. That way, you can challenge shots and defend without drawing fouls, gamble without leaving yourself too vulnerable to a missed steal, and keep yourself from jumping out of the building at an opposing pump fake.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 12, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The smaller weaker team that is playing hard and aggressive can outspeed them

but only for a short time till they get tired then the bigger slower guys have there way with them. Haven’t you been watching warriors basketball?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 12, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Well if they score better and rebound better, the tentative label doesn't really matter.

People called PAu Gasol tentative for years. Does that mean they’d play Dan Gadzuric over them? No.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 11, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

First, I don’t know anything about Pau Gasol, so I don’t know whether these claims of Pau Gasol being tentative are true or not, or in what ways was he tentative and whether his type of tentativeness is comparable to what I saw from BWright.

Second, the tentative label DOES matter when it holds up and frustrates the rest of the team. You are not encouraging an atmosphere of teamwork when you allow a player who did not execute his part in a play to continue playing.

Finally, you did not provide any explanation to my questions, so I’ll ask it again: Explain how a team can be "better" with tentative players. Explain how a team can function properly with indecisive, hesitant players. Explain why a coach should accept a lack of aggressiveness and competitiveness, and explain why the players will buy into such a setup.

by IQofaWarrior on Jan 12, 2011 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Explain how a team can be "better" with tentative players.

If the tentative players are better than the other team. It’s not how quick you do it , it’s how good you are once you decide to do it.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 12, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Udoh and BW

Interesting that BWright is actually 5 months younger than Udoh. Udoh has had more min. on the the floor this season and with Wrights ongoing injuries I am guessing that he is possibly in worse condition than Udoh. If Wright is in fact healthy then it would be a good idea to give him some consistant minutes as well to see if he has any possibility of a future. Somehow I still have this impossible vision of him going on to a surprisingly productive future right after he leaves the Warriors ha!

by Only In Fairfax on Jan 10, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Bad resource management

I want to remind you that we gave away JRich for BWright. He is 9th pick overall in draft. You would think that management would do everything to make him a success – Not in Warriors. They did not pickup the option for the next year. Just watch BWright’s body language – he lost. He plays well one game – no consequences for the next one. They should make him think that he is their next star. They should try to give him every possible moment to play. The same for Udoh of course. Not in Warriors. Following Nelson’s playbook we are trying to steal games for any price and with these young players this is the price of having real future success

by Ambal on Jan 10, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno...
we are trying to steal games for any price and with these young players this is the price of having real future success

The Clips game rotations were pretty strange, but looking back to the win against the Cavs, you can see that the Dubs are (correctly) worried about getting their starters to work together well.

Vlad, bless him, at least knows where to be (mostly), and wont take himself out of a play by standing around shaking his head

Don’t underestimate the importance of this additional playiing time to the other guys ahead of BWright and Udoh (I’m thinking about Lee and Beans)

While I am also strangely reluctant to completely forget about BWright, the sad truth is that the guy has not been around enough to justify some sort of higher priority.

IMHO, winning is one of the most important thing this team can do right now. Forget tanking for a draft pick (too uncertain), and prioritizing the development of a marginal player like Broken Wing over the rest of the team. The Dubs need to win, and win reliably, if we want to start looking attractive to free agents – nobody wants to come play for a loser franchise

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-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He is 9th pick overall in draft.

8th, if you want to be accurate about things.

They did not pickup the option for the next year.

This is because there is no option for him for next year. This is his 4th season. At the end, he’ll be off his rookie contract. The Warriors can tender him a qualifying offer, guaranteeing the right to match any offer he gets and guaranteeing him that he can take the offer and, in a year, be a restricted free agent. But that’s a future decision that they make in the off season. There was no option that was let go.

by jae on Jan 10, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Good bigs are foundation of the team

Let’s face it: to trade for a good big is almost impossible. What should you give up for Amare or Gasol? Your life or your wife wouldn’t be enough. So if you want to see your team winning work with bigs that you have. Especially if they have talent. Both Gadz and Beds are good players, but they still cannot learn how to make a FT. So we need to see Udoh and BWright making progress every game and we need to hold Smart responsible for their progress

by Ambal on Jan 10, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

We need more, better Centers

Lou is doing what he can, but he’s a bench energy guy at best. Gadz is a scrub, and Beans is…I don’t even know what he is anymore. DLee, Udoh, and BWright can be good PFs, but none of them are really big enough to be the Center we need. The Clippers have a legit front with Griffin and Jordan. Our relatively nonathletic front court just looked outmatched.

Don’t even know what the heck was wrong with Curry-Monta last night. Dorell had a nice shooting night at least. We even had the Clippers shooting 39% last night, but of course our entire core of Curry, Ellis, and DLee decided to lay goose eggs.

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Jan 10, 2011 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

Centers

I think that many of us forget that we will always need a good backup center as well as a mainstay so we should hold on to Beans. Centers get injured frequently and cannot play max min. every game…. anyone missing Turiaf yet? I still believe that we should hold on to Biedrins and find a young Tandum(future starter) for him possibly through the draft. Udoh can be our crossover backup for years on.

by Only In Fairfax on Jan 10, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Udoh makes me not miss Turiaf at all

Udoh fits better as a PF, at least if you’re talking starting quality.

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by Badly Browned on Jan 10, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Jordan is playing the way we needs Biedrins to start playing again.

by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I liked Udoh.

DJ did make a bonehead play. He got called for a 3 second violation.

WTF happened to Biedrins? I had so much hope in that guy.

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by Newton Pham on Jan 10, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

Udoh also lost Jordan on one of those plays too

short-range Blake miss and Jordon just took a step back…Udoh completely lost his man, and that rebound

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He has no calling card

he’s average at everything

by Anonymous1337 on Jan 10, 2011 10:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I assume you are talking about an anonymous player?
He has no calling card he’s average at everything

Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Andris

goofed
on the reply bid

by Anonymous1337 on Jan 10, 2011 3:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Andris

has a calling card that says
“Rebounder”

there is also an add for some sort of escort service, but I didn’t try to call the number

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s average at everything

Really? I can think of very few areas in which Biedrins is “average.” He’s one of the Top 10 rebounders in the league, and — before this season — was one of its most efficient garbage-cleaners. On the other hand, he has one of the worst shots in the league, possibly the worst free-throw technique, and (seemingly) one of the league’s most fragile psyches.

The only area where I think of him as “average” is on defense, and even then I’d call him a very good help/weakside defender and a poor man defender.

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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 10, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You think he's a poor man defender?

I do not agree with that. I think he’s definitely average in that respect and like you said, very good off ball. It’d be nice to see what Andris could do defensively with a few decent defenders on the perimeter.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 10, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Average, okay.

But still undersized for the Center position at 6’11’’ and around 240 lbs. I think size and strength keeps him from being above average defender at the C. I think he’s fine as a weakside defender like you say. Post D is the weakest part of his game.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Jan 10, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

But his post defense is near average.

He’s not too bad defensively. Unless he’s guarding Pau, Bynum, Dwight, Duncan, etc he does a good job.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 10, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

how come Beans has never put on any weight?

he still looks about the same?
How come we don’t sit this guy down and feed him some steaks and worjout drinks?

Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, Beans as a rookie

and

Biedrens now:

I think more could have been done. Looks like he just goes to the gym a lot (or plays hoop all the time). Bulk up dude!!!

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-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think more could have been done.

Cool that you think that.

It's biodigital jazz, man.

by Reverend_Randy on Jan 11, 2011 3:33 AM PST up reply actions  

just saying

a little more bulk would have quieted the whole “I wish he was beefier” crowd

and it seems that he has been with the team long enough for his body to begin to reflect his training regime.

Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 11, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Who are all these players that make people think it’s common for guys to completely transform their bodies? Whether we’re talking about Randolph, Wright, Curry, or Biedrins here…I’ve seen a ton of optimism that it’s this easy thing to do, and yet when I look around the NBA….guys might get a little bigger as they mature but they’re still mostly the same body type they were when they came into the league…..

by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

+1
It’s been a while since I asked the question, and stopped largely because I never got a real answer. What player went from ineffective to effective by ‘bulking up’? Who has dramatically improved by ‘bulking up’?

I get a number of responses about how it can make someone more durable or how it allowed Jordan to do stuff later in his career, but have yet to get a good example of someone who became a significantly better player as a result of adding pounds.

by jae on Jan 11, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

the hulk?
What player went from ineffective to effective by ‘bulking up’? Who has dramatically improved by ‘bulking up’

nah, you guys are both probably right.
But still, this argument seems valid to me

I think size and strength keeps him from being above average defender at the C.

Not sure that I can think of any examples (as per jae’s request) though…actually, in retrospect, I do think he is better at holding his position on the block than he used to be

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-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 11, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree completely his size and strength contribute in a very meaningful way to his biggest weakness (post defense), I just don’t think it’s realistic to expect him to dramatically fix that, especially at the age he is now. If he was 18 I’d have a lot more hope he still had some real growth left.

by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

well yeah

and that was my initial point!
We’ve had this guy since he was what, 19 years old?

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 11, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally think he has gotten bigger, but of course we don’t actually have any good information to verify that or not…

by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, I agree he has filled out - some

but who wouldn’t between the age of 19-(almost) 25?

Sure, naturally skinny, but (and yes, this is pure speculation) seems like some protein shakes and heavy lifting could have helped him fill out his frame more….just imagine if he had another 15 pounds on him…

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 11, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

We’ve had this guy since he was what, 19 years old?

And as it turns out, he’s one of those guys who is naturally really thin and doesn’t seem to put on weight. More often than not it sounds like people are under the impression that if he had done something else, he’d be a) significantly bigger and b) significantly better as a result. That’s all speculative, that neither have happened are certain indicators that there was something wrong with his training regime or work habits.

by jae on Jan 11, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

this
that neither have happened are certain indicators that there was something wrong with his training regime or work habits.

is what I’m saying…seems like if our goal was in fact to put more weight on him, we have not been very aggressive about it over the past 6 years

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 11, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What jae was getting at is that you are not qualified to make that point. You don’t know Biedrins training regime, you don’t know his body, and you are probably not a professional trainer.

It's biodigital jazz, man.

by Reverend_Randy on Jan 11, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

but have yet to get a good example of someone who became a significantly better player as a result of adding pounds.

how about Barry bonds, didn’t he get heavier as he got better?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 11, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

And this is the third time that someone has made that joke when I’ve asked the question.

by jae on Jan 11, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He got better as the drugs got better.

Ignoring GovernorStephCurry from now on so I don't get banned!!!

by HerFavColo(u)r on Jan 11, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

He got better as the drugs got better.

That’s the common misconception. The real reason was the extra ballast.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 11, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He gained weight over a course of what, 10 years?

by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2011 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Warrios has no engery yesterday, like Denver. Does this mean we have something big coming just like Denver?!

I saw at lease two fastbreak passses to Beans (or Lee) that he didn’t even know and the ball hitted his back. Beans is just not in the game yesterday and he is so out of shape. Is noon game too early for him or he already know we will trade him away for Prince?

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jan 10, 2011 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

. Is noon game too early for him

noon games are too early for any human, they should not count in the standings, they should just make the ball boys, announcers, and mascots play them while the players sleep in.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 10, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Pre-game yesterday had me worried

Fitz and Barnett, being hugged by Vlad, Ellis, etc..

It was strange. Thought at the time that it was going to be an indication of an extreme – either we would kill them, or their good mood and joking meant they weren’t awake or something.

And whatever happened to making head-case shoot FT’s underhand? Too frigging fragile?

Good Lord, that game sucked. Not at all what I was hoping for going into Wednesday.

Ugh.

by WillyWhiteShoes on Jan 10, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

And whatever happened to making head-case shoot FT’s underhand?

 They should make Dre have a FT shooting contest with 70 year old rick barry so he can lose the excuses?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 10, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

If Dre can’t mentally handle being a bad FT shooter, he probably can’t handle looking a little silly being the only underhand FT shooter in the league. That said, if it were me, I’d be doing my freaking job and just make FT’s however I could. But, of course, when I was his age, I would have been more socially conscious.

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by Naticus on Jan 10, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

gross

look at our FGs!

Steph: 2 of 13
Monta: 4 of 19
Lee: 2 of 6
Beans: 0 of 1
our team had 19 TOs!

Man, I am looking for some serious revenge against these guys on Friday!

Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
-Cicero

by Duby Dub Dubs on Jan 10, 2011 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

I blame the Warriors. It’s their own fault for playing so badly. No revenge necessary. The Dubs just need to not play like morons (although some of our guys played well, like Dorell Wright, who had a great game).

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Jan 10, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Er… minus his poor rebounding. Still, a good game.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Jan 10, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

i went to this game

And I totally agree with the notion of wanting my afternoon back. The Warriors play was so lackluster and impotent, I started paying more attention to my smartphone than the game. It was blantanly obvious how bad the Warriors were playing. It makes me wonder if there is dissention within the team or if the players are revolting against Keith Smart. I finally traded David Lee in my fantasy league and after watching this game in person, I’m glad I did. Steph and Ellis dominated the ball so much Lee doesn’t get any opportunites to shoot. Even in a game where both guards were frigid from outside, they still took shots rather than dishing to any big man.

by balleerj on Jan 10, 2011 10:23 PM PST reply actions  

these are games we need to win

if we want to consider this team a borderline 8th seed contender, people should not play games like this off.

THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE, WE SUCK.

by Anonymous1337 on Jan 11, 2011 2:11 AM PST reply actions  

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