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NBA Free Agency Q&A With Clips Nation On DeAndre Jordan: Potential Star Or Future Albatross?

In comparison to the Golden State Warriors' other free agent center targets, restricted free agent center DeAndre Jordan is something of an unknown commodity.

Ultimately, your opinion of the Warriors' 4-year, $40 million dollar offer for the 6-foot-11 center - and the Los Angeles Clippers' expected decision to match and leave the Warriors without yet another free agent target - probably comes down to whether you believe it's worth paying for potential at the risk of him becoming nothing more than a future albatross contract.

GSoM community member ivanbe has already written that 4-years and $40 million is too much and that making moves like that is yet another Warriors-based example of how bad teams gets worse (click here to read it).

But Steve Perrin of SB Nation's Clips Nation offers us some insight about what Jordan has shown during his three-year career in L.A. and what he might become wherever he ends up playing in the future (in response to questions that have emerged from GSoM discussions) . His message probably gives ammo to those both for and against the Warriors' signing Jordan at that price: "DJ is who he is", says Perrin, but "you have to pay for size".

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1. GSoM: Is $10 million per year overpaying for Jordan?

Steve Perrin: Short answer: yes. But (a) everybody overpays for size and (b) you have to overpay for a restricted free agent or the team just matches. In DeAndre's case, the potential is there to actually be worth that. But he certainly hasn't done anything to justify that kind of salary yet.

2. GSoM: Do you want the Clippers to match that offer?

SP: That's an interesting way to put it: do I want the Clippers to match? Not, do I think they will or even do I think they should, but do I WANT them to? I'll say yes, I want them to match; but it ain't my money, right? Honestly I'd be torn at that amount. It would be a gamble for sure. But as I said above, you have to pay for size, so if they let him go, they'll have to pay someone else that kind of money soon enough.

He's the same age as Gordon and Griffin, has been teammates with Gordon for three years, is basically inseparable with Blake. He's actually worth paying a premium for some of those reasons. And like I said, if he continues to develop, he could actually be worth that money. The other reason I'd want them to match is to help change the perception of the team. If they don't match, it fuels the "cheap Clippers" narrative. (Then again, if the do match a huge offer and he turns into an albatross, it fuels the "stupid Clippers" narrative, so what can you do?)

3. GSoM: In discussing the possibility of adding Jordan to the Warriors roster, some fans see a good young center oozing with potential while others see a player who's more style (dunking) over substance who looks better than he is because Blake Griffin drew so much attention from opposing defenses. Is that a fair criticism from the naysayers or are they missing something?

SP: DJ is who he is. The dunks don't count any more points than a 10 footer (which he's never made in his life) and the blocks into the third row just give the ball back to the other team - so yeah, there's an element of flash to his game that might cause him to be overvalued. He's getting a reputation as a defensive force, but the truth is he's still not a great post defender, he still bites on way to many up fakes, and he rarely bothers to box out, preferring just to turn and chase the rebound. So he's got plenty of room for improvement.

But don't discount the dunks either. He's an unbelievable finisher at the rim - his range is one foot, but he's automatic from there, which sounds like a joke but you and I know that there are plenty of bigs in this league who don't finish around the rim the way they should. DJ knows his limitations, he doesn't waste any possessions because he rarely gets the ball other than for rebounds and at the other end of lobs, and because of all that he's incredibly efficient, shooting .686 last season, which was the best in the league for anyone who played more than 100 minutes.

4. GSoM: As a Clippers fan who watched Jordan consistently last season, what - if any - offensive ability or improvement has Jordan shown over the years that other fans seem to underestimate in your opinion?

SP: This is the bad news: there's been basically no offensive improvement. DJ's a dunker and that's about it. In summer league in 2009, he showed some signs that maybe he'd develop some post game - but it's never translated against NBA defenses. And of course he's always been a terrible free throw shooter, and has shown little improvement there. I will say this - DJ will surprise you with a nifty pass from time to time.

5. GSoM: Folks at GSoM have compared Jordan to a number of other NBA players, from "a dunking Shelden Williams" to Tyson Chandler to Dwight Howard. Projecting 5 years into the future, what NBA player do you think Jordan will be most similar to?

SP: Tyson Chandler should be his role model, no question. I mean, I'll admit that there have been times when I've had inklings of Dwight Howard. Howard had basically no offensive game when he came into the league either, and he developed more and more skills over time. So I wondered, why not? DJ is in the ballpark with Howard as an athlete (though not as big), so if you dream big, then why not? But it was always wishful thinking and because he still hasn't developed any offensive game to speak of, we can put it to rest. But Chandler is well within reach - right down to the free throw shooting.

One little noticed aspect of Chandler's career year last year was his foul shooting: after four consecutive seasons below 60%, Chandler shot 73% the last two seasons - which makes me think there's hope for DJ. But Jordan definitely has the potential to be an impact player on the defensive end a la Chandler. He's ridiculously long, he's active, he's athletic. He needs to continue to work on the fundamentals, which happily can be taught. But all those things you can't teach? He's already got them.

6. GSoM: In the end, who ends up on the better end of this situation: the team that actually signs Jordan for $10 million or the team that forced a division opponent to take on his $10 million contract?

SP: We're going to have to wait and see on this one. It may depend on whether your plan B is Chris Kaman or Andris Biedrins!

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Not exactly confidence-inspiring. Pretty much confirms my fears: no chance at offensive improvement, not a good defender, low BBIQ, and we’re going to overpay for all that because he’s big, young, and athletic.

by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 11, 2011 1:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah the "basically no offensive improvement" comment was troubling for me too

Of the things that I was hoping to gain from this, some offensive improvement that I was unaware of was probably the biggest.

That said, I guess the remaining question about his defensive potential is whether he can get with the right coach to correct those problems – it’s not entirely unfathomable that he could eliminate those types of habits….

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by Nate Parham on Dec 11, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder about his mentality, though.

He was a problem child at A&M, a bit of a space case and had a ton of maturity issues. Chandler is a guy who is very sound mentally and who understands the game at a high level and always has.

I’m not sure if that’s something you can develop.

by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 11, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Great stuff!

Thanks for putting these together Nate. I always love hearing from Steve.

by olympicmike on Dec 11, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

+1

These have been fantastic reads. Thanks for the hard work.

by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 11, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think once we see what Jackson and Malone can do with players...

we’ll know better whether it makes sense to take a chance on a guy with upside like Jordan. If Nellie or Smart were still around, and we landed DJ, he’d probably regress defensively for all we know.

I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t yet have faith to think that we can make players better, like say, Thibodeaux did in Chicago. If Lee and Ellis become better defenders simply because of our new coaches, then I’d be more willing to get a guy like DJ.

by Evanz on Dec 11, 2011 1:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

If Lee and Ellis become better defenders

Well, they can’t get any worse.

by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Ellis and Lee are suddenly gonna become better defenders out of thin air, after being terrible defenders for many years. Wait what?

by TontheDon on Dec 11, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This was at least part of my reservation about bringing in an inexperienced head coach.

A team in this situation really needs to have guys who can develop young players because even if they were to reach their goal of making the playoffs (which isn’t realistic to me), it’s very, very difficult for me to imagine it being more than an 8th seed first round exit (and that’s putting it lightly).

So I agree that given what we know now, I’d probably be more comfortable not spending this kind of money on him.

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by Nate Parham on Dec 11, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Was Bell a good veteran influence on this team?

The guy just turned up to a dui hearing drunk.

How much would you pay to distance someone like that from your young, impressionable roster?

Particularly when there is no really obvious amnesty alternative. (Which is a positive thing that is being completely overlooked.)

by berko on Dec 11, 2011 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

There are amnesty alternatives: waiving him or buying him out. While it doesn’t help your cap situation out, it solves the problem of getting him away from the team, if that’s really your goal.

He could have also been traded. He was an expiring contract after all, which have decent value, especially around the trade deadline.

No matter how you slice it, using the amnesty on Charlie Bell was a poor decision, DUI or not.

by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The only thing you're giving up is the ability to amnesty Biedrins or Lee.

Is that such a bad thing to give up for a chance to improve your center position?

by Ronaldinho on Dec 12, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're saying that 4/60 is not an overpay for Chandler?

Because that’s what we would have had to do – and I feel like you’ve been arguing against these marginal overpays.

And the only thing that makes sense to me about Nene is that we got an early word from his agent that he wasn’t interested, so we didn’t pursue. If that’s not the case I don’t know what to think, but I don’t feel like our front office is full of idiots.

by Ronaldinho on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

So you’re saying that 4/60 is not an overpay for Chandler?

That’s an overpay, sure, but he’s actually a very good player. So is Nene. It’s worth paying a few extra million for very good players.

DJ is not even a good player. He’s a bad player. I don’t want him on my team, unless it’s as a backup, not the starting center. Certainly not making >$10M.

by Evanz on Dec 12, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

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