The New Idiots in the Front Office: Warriors waive G Bell under new amnesty provision
Warriors waive G Bell under new amnesty provision
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP)—The Golden State Warriors have waived guard Charlie Bell under the new amnesty provision, wiping his remaining contract from the salary cap and avoiding any luxury tax penalties.
The Warriors also announced Sunday that the qualifying offer to forward Reggie Williams has been rescinded. The moves give Golden State more space to sign another free agent. Teams can only use the new amnesty clause on one player a year.
Bell never reported for training camp. Authorities said Bell showed up intoxicated at a Thursday court date for a drunken driving arrest in Michigan. He already is facing a one-game suspension without pay after pleading no contest to reckless driving in California.
Bell appeared in 19 games for the Warriors last season, averaging 1.7 points in 9 minutes per contest.
Well that settles it, our new front office sucks. I'm officially sick to my stomach.
The amnesty rule was the single greatest thing any Warriors fan could hope for. This was our golden parachute, our get-out-of-jail-free card. And we just wasted it.
Essentially, the NBA sent this message to all of the terrible franchises: "you f-ed up, so go ahead - here's a magic undo button, go fix your biggest mistake and make yourself competitive so you aren't an embarrassment to the Association anymore". We didn't listen.
We have so many bad contracts to choose from that it made me almost giddy to think of ways we could improve our team. We could have gone so far under the salary cap that we'd have ultimate flexibility at the trade deadline or for next off-season's free agency. We could have given more playing time to guys that have promise and upside: Curry, Udoh, Thompson, Tyler.
Instead, we wasted it on waiving an actual trade asset (yes, his expiring contract is a positive trade asset). Are we that dense? Do we not realize that we have many, many overpaid players to pick from? Are we in full denial about this?
Our front office doesn't deserve to run this franchise. Even when the NBA tries to help us suck less, we choose not to accept the help.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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+1000000000000000
completely agree…was open to the new ownership..very optimistic..these moves make me depressed…..perennial winners Orlando Magic amnesty gilbert arenas’ 3 year/63 million dollar deal…..in other news, perennial losers goldenstate warriors amnesty expiring 4 million contract….awesome.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 7:16 PM PST reply actions
Same man
I really had hopes that our front office was going to change and become better but so far it hasn’t happened. I don’t know if I should say I am disappointed or that they just have shown or done anything really positive as of yet. More negative things have happened than positive (aside from the draft). I thought we were bringing in all these wise guys to make wise decisions but it pisses me off too that we wasted the amnesty on a player only making 4 mil. in his final year! I guess it gives us another reason to be the laughing stock of the league. Plus, I don’t know why we didn’t go after Marc Gasol.That pisses me off the most probably. I really feel he can become a star in this league and easily avg. 20 and 10. He was playing with Randolph so he avgd. 14 points, but we didn’t even go after him. I would have been willing to max out a deal for him (or at least near max out one). And what happened to all the talk about Nene being a dream for the Warriors and then they don;t even make him an offer. Even if he may not fit well along side Lee we would still be better than what we have now.
our front office

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
our front office
I hate it when that happens :>)
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hear, hear! Space Cadets at the FO! Cannot figure those idiots out!
We should have been in the playoffs last year with the personnel we had! OK, beginners mistake, the “Smart” (dumb) experiment, poor player utilization. So, we needed a seasoned coach, a big man, and off we go to the playoffs! We get a “showbiz”, first year coach experiment, a “PR” bluff for a big man, that results in our losing Reggie, our team’s (NBA-leading-group), best 3 point shooter off the bench, had already lost Rad (another solid 3pt shooter), and, now, we use our amnesty card on Charlie Bell! that leaves us with a bunch of rookies on the bench that will be pressed to grow into NBA players in a night if we are going to be playoff contenders! Bobcat blogs are delirious over Reggie’s acquisition! Are Jordan and Silas that much better at assessing the obvious? How did the Bobcats successfully determine that Reggie may be that extra, off-the bench, 30-minute-guy, that might give them just enough to get to the playoffs this year, a year earlier than they had planned! Are we back to a rebuilding year? I would be LMAO with these amateurs in our FO, if it wasn’t so sad. We gave the FO amnesty for its stupidity in its first year, but the only thing worse than dumb mistakes, is to bring in Jerry West, and make even dumber mistakes!
Dude shut up
Wow, what a whiny little girl.
The amnesty clause was to waive a player that they thought had a bad contract. Obviously they don’t think we have terrible Gilbert Areans like contracts on our team.
Lee’s contract while large, can be justified. Biedrins is highly questionable, but he’s shown production while healthy and now he is healthy and stronger than ever….Who else? You’re not gonna amnesty Monta or Curry or Amundson. They like their team.
When healthy this team has a chance to compete and they obviously view Biderins, Lee, Monta, Curry as assets, potential trade chips. I would argue they are better than Dunleavy and Troy Murphy back in the day when we swung the deal for Jax and Harrington.
They obviously think that if we can add a piece or two we’re a playoff team.
Why would you just waive Lee or Biedrins when you don’t have to? You don’t waive double double players.
anyways, I see your frustration because you want the Warriors to win a championship overnight, but I think we have to give them a few years.
I’m curious, what would you have done? Who’s contract is so terrible that you were crying and whining like a little girl because it hurt so much?
by sauceycor on Dec 11, 2011 7:23 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Lee
I’m guessing you’re going to say we should have waived Lee.
My guess is he gives us 18/11 this year. I would say you are crazy if you want to waive someone who produces 18/11.
And if you did waive him, what would you do with the money? There are no guarantees out there.
Biedrins is a better candidate
He is not a double double threat anymore, due to this poor FT%. He can grab boards but can’t rebound. He is a dead weight on offense, and barely passable on defense.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 11, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes exactly
people think Biedrins is still the same player he used to be but he is not. It’s is like they can’t get over the fact that he sucks now.And I am also tired of people saying “Oh, why would we cut our only center on the roster?” Center is just a job title, and we have other guys who can be more productive there even if they are a pf. I agree that we should just let the younger guys develop. I’d be happy starting Lou over Biedrins. Hopefully Biedrins proves me wrong though and turns it around this yr
Yeah,
arguable. I think he was a candidate as well, but if we waive Andris who came back healthy and noticeably stronger, I think that is a huge gamble. They wanted to see what he could do instead of just waiving him. They’ve seen him in practice and everyone says he looks good. Hard to waive a starting center in this league. Arenas was a bench player making $20mil/yr or whatever. That’s easy.
My point is we didn’t have any “easy” amnesty players on our team.
Exactly.
We had no “easy” amnesty candidates on our team, which is why it should have been saved. You don’t just use the thing for the sake of using it. There’s going to be a time where we really wish we had that back. (When David Lee is old and unproductive and making 15 million/year and is completely untradeable.
by teconomou on Dec 11, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay "starting center" doesn't really matter...
When are people gonna get over the fact that just because he is a starting center does not make him good. Also was there a certain date we had to use the amnesty by? I saw a rumor also about Mareesse Speights being in talks to somewhere for a second round pick. We should try to trade for him. He is extremely athletic and a pretty solid defender. If we can get him for 2nd round pick we should go after that.
He can grab boards but can’t rebound.
I don’t understand…
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
That was a typo
meant to say that he can’t do anything else
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
no...YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT NOW....
I would sit on it…how hard is it to understand? Our plan A did not work…our plan B was a half A$$ attempt that isn’t going to work….you don’t use a valuable asset just because you can…you wait and use it to make a franchise changing move….you hold it.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
exaclty man
we should have held on to it, see how Biedrins does and if he sucked still then use it on him. If not keep it.
the amnesty clause will have a window to be used each year...
due to the lockout shortened season, the window to use the amnesty clause this season is 7 days….if you don’t use it…you have the ability to use it next offseason …each year the nba is going to give a certain amount of time in the offseason to invoke the amnesty clause…if you dont use the clause this season or next, you can use it the next offseason if you want…the window will be longer in normal nba seasons…..only players signed under the old CBA can be amnestied..so guys like lee, biedrins but not guys like tyson chandler that just signed with the knicks.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
there will be a window to invoke the amnesty clause before each season
they just want to make sure it only takes place during free agency. you can’t just amnesty someone midseason.
amnesty clause
i am prolly wrong, judging by your reactions, but i thought the amnesty clause can be used ONCE A YEAR???
I’ve seen this a couple times now.
Where did this idea come from? Genuinely curious.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
The wording people use is confusing.
I haven’t read the actual new CBA so I am often going off what other people write. For example, the way the quote above is written
“… Teams can only use the new amnesty clause on one player a year.” to me sounds like you get to use a new amnesty every year.
by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 12, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
source?
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
no source needed
he (or she) is wrong
you get to amnesty ONE contract during this CBA period…not one per year
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Amnesty
They have 5 days to use the amnesty clause, it’s not an open, ongoing thing you just get to hang on to forever.
The deadline to use it is Dec 16th. They decided to use it instead of just let it go to waste.
In all honesty, if they waived Biedrins without anything else in place I probably would have sounded like a little whiny girl.
not exactly an answer...
my question was, can we use it again next offseason???
i agree with what u are saying sauceycor, but is this the one time we can use it for the next, say 5 years…?
you are completely misinformed...
you can hold the amnesty clause for years….they give you a window to use it each year…this year there is a 7 day window due to the lockout…next offseason there will be a longer window…go inform yourself and stop spouting ill informed garbage
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
calm down
I said I might be wrong but that was how I interpreted it by what I read. Do you have a link to something explaining it better? Just curious.
I mean haven't exactly kept up with the amnesty rules...
but during negotiations I did hear it could be used at any point througout the life of the new CBA. I may be wrong though.
scroll up..i tried to explain it under the post you linked..,.ill try to find something else if that doesn't explain it
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
all good
I read it and it makes sense. Didn’t know it was like that.
Still, I think waiving Biedrins is risky.
that's the thing...
we aren’t going anywhere this season…our plan A with chandler failed…no reason to use the amnesty just because you can…let the expirings expire, see how Biedrins/Lee perform…see if you can persuade anyone to come here in 2012….invoke the clause next offseason if things transpire…if not , keep holding until the right move comes along..this decision to use it on bell is just mindless.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah plus after this season Biedrins would be an expiring...
what would we be able to get for him then. I think there would be teams trying to take a chance plus is he doesn’t pan out for them, then they would have an expiring. Too bad that isn’t this year
Maybe
Biens has 3 years left I think.
Hypothetical here….if the W’s get Jordan, was it a good move amnestying Bell?
personally i dont think so..
we are going to be capped out with no 2012 draft pick…If your goal is to make the playoffs, then sure we will probably be an 7-8 seed….but the only option to add players to make us a contender would be via signing players on the MLE or trading away pieces from our playoff core.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's also something to consider....
…. players from a “playoff core” have more value than players from a sub- .500 team… even if their stats are the same.
I agree that we aren’ t in a great position right now, but I also think that we can compete for a playoff spot and that moves us forward. Without draft picks or assets that other teams would trade picks for, we’re just not in a position to tank. Best bet is to be patient and improve the brand so our players have more value in the market and FA’s see us as an up and coming team worth joining.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 11, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
and if we are able to get Jordan that makes amnestying Bell even worse because then we wouldn’t need Biedrins.
That's a great point.
If we do get Jordan, we’re saying Biedrins isn’t good enough to start.
So why didn’t we just amnesty Biedrins instead?
"We Deserve"
mainly because if you amnesty beans
and then the clippers still match the offer for deandre, then you’re stuck with no centers
True
but just because he is a center does not mean he is good. We could have other guys play there. Plus the amnesty doesn’t have to be used until the 16th of this month if being used this yr. Couldn’t we make the offer and then if he agrees to sign with us, then we just amnesty Biedrins then
you need to amnesty the player before they can sign the offer sheet
if the other team matches, you don’t get your amnestied player back
Okay but I still would have used it on Biedrins
he is quite useless
yeah but then would we have still been able to offer Jordan?
Thats what I would have done…see how Biedrins does this yr and if no improvement then use it on him next yr
jordan isnt that good
save it for the future when there are better options
yeah but I think he's an upgrade over Biedrins...
I think we should have gone hard after Gasol. I would have given him 15 -18 mil/yr. Dudes gonna be a star
Easy to say....
…. but if you apply some thought to it you’d realize that he was injured 2 years ago and completely misused last year.
If you were around when he was legit, you’d remember that he thrived off the PnR and in transition. If you watched last season, you saw him getting entry passes in the post in a halfcourt offense. He’s put on 15 pounds and seems upbeat… he may not be a hero, but I think he can be a solid center still.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
hoepfully he can improve..
but last year I went to some games and Monta would set him up perfectly. all he had to do was catch, step and dunk but when Josh McRoberts slid over to step in front of him he did some little flick and went up soft and missed. He was very timid
Agreed....
… not trying to make excuses… just think there are reasons why he hasn’t been his old self over the past years. Hopefully the new bulk will give him back some of his confidence.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 11, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Also...
…. Beans has always been a finesse player… he’s more likely to go for the layup than dunk when challenged.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I know what you are saying but it wasn't even a layup
idk what it would be classified as. He like stopped his body and jumped backwards instead of drawing the contact and foul. But yeah I hope he can regain his confidence and just do the dirty work. 10 boards 2 blocks or more and give us 10 pts. if possible
yeah well he should be able to do it...
wouldn;t you be happy if he did? I know I would. Howard avgs. 2.4. Andris should set the goal at 3. If he sets small goals like that and tries to achieve them maybe he can get it back
yeah I know
what I am trying to say is he should focus on a few things and as he starts perfecting them again add to it. Go out and get 10 boards a game. Then 7 points then inc. to 10 and so on. Take 2 charges, a block a steal something. You know what I mean? I think if he does that he will be able to add more and more and eventually put it al together
you dont work towards getting to certain stats
you work towards improving your game. if a guy goes out and says “i’m going to get 30 points today”, he might take 40 shots trying to get there
If you're gonna use one play...
… as some sort of indication, why don’t we talk about the game against Memphis last season where he had 28 points and 20 boards?
by warriorsablaze on Dec 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
and you are right it's three years. 2k needa fix that.
By the way anyone know when the rosters for 2k gonna be updated?
Umm
My understanding because of the new CBA is that you get a one time amnesty clause option and you have until 12/16 of this year to do so. If you don’t you’re basically saying we like our team and we don’t want to waive anyone. It doesn’t happen every year. Just this year because of the CBA. Does that make sense?
I might have my facts wrong, but I think this is how it is.
Not thinking it through
People might say: “Lacob spent $450 million buying the team, what’s the big deal with spending $27 or $60 million to amnesty a player who MIGHT NOT live up to their contract?” This does not make sense if you realize how much money this is.
Let me give you a budget. You have a family and thousands of employees who depend on your good management of this money. You pay David Lee $60 million dollars to go score 20 and 10 for another team. Then you pay another guy [Millsap] or trade another player of value for that player, who really isn’t that much better. That IS NOT good management. Before you tell me how horrible his contract is think about this fun fact: No player will come here unless we overpay. Lee was necessary at the time, and has yet to play a full healthy season. If Andris plays anything like his former self, he’s easily worth $9 million.
Charlie Bell was worthless. Nobody wanted him. He could not contribute in any way. If amnesting Andris would have magically put Howard, Paul or even Chandler on the team, then yes, it makes sense. You have to trust people who have a lifetime of experience and much more knowledge than you, and try to understand their decisions rather than criticize them. But that takes effort.
BTW Curry, Thompson, Udoh and Tyler get you nothing but the 1st pick in the draft. Which I am actually all for. Buy the team please.
It smells like hope in this mug
by danielholl on Dec 11, 2011 8:01 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
couple things...
i see what you are saying..but you also are overshooting the amount it would cost Lacob…first, I don’t think the warriors should amnesty Lee or Biedrins this year….they swung and missed and there aren’t players good enough that are worth invoking the clause.. I believe they should hold the clause and wait to see how Biedrins performs and if Lee progresses.
Secondly, when a player is amnestied, they are put into a pool where teams get to bid for their services….highest bid gets the player…for example, if Biedrins is amnestied and a team bids 2 million for his services, that 2 million would go towards his 9 mill annual contract so Lacob would be on the hook for 7 mill anually…..lets say Lee is amnestied next offseason because Joe Lacob somehow convinces someone to sign here….teams would most likely bid 8+ million to add lee…tthat would mean lacob is on the hook for the difference.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
they should hav waited 3 years
and when it’s clear that monta, beans, and lee won’t work, you let monta and beans expire and amnesty lee, leaving a ton of cap space
by bigkino217 on Dec 11, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Foresight was never a Warrior strong suit.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
BINGO
The 2013-14 season is going to be a killer for the Warriors
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
its valid for any contract that is governed by the old CBA
as long as that contract wasn’t traded
Right. So basically it’s Lee, Ellis, or Biedrins as the alternatives.
Biedrins and Ellis can be traded. Why would you amnesty a contract that you can trade? Doesn’t make sense.
They like Lee. They think he’s a good player. So that wasn’t happening either.
Holding onto it wasn’t an option, because it can’t be used on any new contracts.
Get over it.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
could have held onto it a couple years
and then use it on lee when it’s painfully obvious that he’s not worth his contract
exactly this!!
Lee will be kinda old (in NBA terms) when his deal gets to be the most outrageous
I know it might have been tough to have that hanging over his head, but I’m guessing those last couple years of his contract are essentially untradeable (and yes, I get that we could exchange it for one equally as bad (Hedo and Arenas come to mind)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Agree with the David Lee point you bring up...
I think some of our fans really don’t appreciate him. And yes I agree Bell sucks, but he is an expiring contract only worth 4 mil. Why would we waive that contract?
why not?
He would have been cut anyways after his DUI and lack of bball skills.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
He also reportidly showed up to his recent court hearing intoxicated....
is that really a trade-able player…..
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
From an economic perspective
I can see what you’re saying. However, Lee’s $70 mil is a sunk cost. It’s lost money no matter what.
I’d rather see him put up 20 / 10 on another team and lose there. With him being the highest paid on the team here, the coaching staff is more obligated to waste minutes and put faith in him here.
"We Deserve"
I think Lee can be solid.
He gets paid a lot but it isn’t as bad compared to some other bigs around the league. Plus he had that tooth arm last yr. which held him back
Lee had a freak injury last year with a really infected elbow...
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YaHeard
Has it all figured out DanielHoll. He should buy the team and bring Howard adn CP3 to the bay.
Completely agree
When Chris Townsend on The Game mentioned that Bell was the amnesty target he blasted Riley for it and I thought he was going too far because of the presumption that he was not the target. Well he is, and I am entirely disappointed with this. I have no idea what Lacob and Co. are trying to convey; they outbid one of the richest men in the world for the team, but they don’t want to rectify a mistake with the 1-time clause the league gives us? 4 Million dollar contract, a fricken 4 Million dollar contract on his last year. Completely laughable, I truly don’t get it. CMON MAN!
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by ejdacanay on Dec 11, 2011 8:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
AMNESTY
ok.just making sure….WE CAN OR CANNOT USE THE AMNESTY AGAIN NEXT OFFSEASON?
cant now...
we could have if we didnt use it on bell
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 11, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
We used our amnesty on Bell....
When is the next time we can use it again?
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Dec 11, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions
Never ever forever and ever
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
How do you really feel?
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don’t think they should have used the amnesty at all this year unless they had a shot at landing a big time star. There is a chance that Biedrins comes out of his funk this season and the Warriors would have looked like idiots they cut their one legit 7 footer and watched him have a revival with another team. As for Lee, Lacob gave the OK to sign him just a year ago and he would have looked foolish to amnesty just one year later. Also, Lee brings some production to the table and is a fairly solid player. He’s just overpaid and needs a legit center to balance his deficiencies. I thought we should have kept the amnesty in our back pocket to see what Biedrins does this season and use it on him next off-season if he continued him horrible play. It does seem like a waste to use it on Bell when his contract is set to expire and the odds of actually landing Jordan don’t appear to be very good.
Give up
Yep, Warriors will suck for the next 20 years that Lacob owns this team. Just get used to losing, because obviously there’s going to be tons and tons and tons of it in the future!
just wondering
how many people would prefer Larry Ellison as the owner?
by Yii on Dec 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah probably
But Lacob and Guber are a huge improvement over Cohan so it’s hard to complain.
What do you think Ellison would have done differently?
You think Larry Ellison would have been able to talk Chandler into coming here for less money than New York was offering in a way that Jerry West couldn’t?
Or do you think that Larry Ellison would have been happy to overpay Chandler in order to get him?
I would have amnestied Lee. In a heartbeat.
He is our biggest and worst contract that will hold us back for years to come.
His contract is backheavy, its going to be tough to trade for a long time! We could have had a ton of cap space…
I would love to see a team by team comparison of how they all used thier amnesty clause.
I agreed beside
Beans… Lee is the biggest contract we got. That we don’t know if we need to use it on him, or not; our front don’t think so. They love Lee and never doubt in their mind, that they gonna use it to him. Then Beans only got 3 years on his contract. And I think they are still hope full on Beans ability that he will improved. So I assumed that our front office use amnesty on Bell. Just to removed the doubt on our current roster that they gonna be waived. Specially Beadrins he is mostly the candidate. Then I am not mad, if Beans thank our organization for retaining him in the current roster. And improved his game.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Who else are the Warriors going to Amnesty?
They aren’t going to amnesty Lee’s giant contract, he may be overpaid…but he’s productive.
They aren’t going to amnesty Biedrins…regardless of how bad he was the last two seasons, bigs have better trade value than that.
They aren’t going to amnesty Ellis…same as Biedrins, his trade value is better than that.
I don’t see any problem using it on Bell to gamble and go for Jordan.
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+1
everything you said is actually on my mind right now. I think our front office is smarter than before.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Lees defense is worse that his offense is good. and like u said, he is overpaid.. Lee was the best choice to bring us back to respectability the fastest
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 11, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
maybe he's the best choice
but there is NO WAY we would amnesty him. ZERO chance.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
They should've waited then at least a year. No reason to panic and use it now within all the hype and frenzied offseason.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Like a Cohan move but with different intentions. Same results...
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
While it’s true that they wouldn’t do those things, that doesn’t mean it’s okay. The smart move would have been to amnesty Lee.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Or at least wait it out and amnesty him when it opens up a possible huge move
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Yeah, for sure. At least hold on to it. Amnestying Bell was a pretty silly move.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well then their lack of advanced stats comprehension should seriously be questioned.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
It's just like old times
The posters are already hating on the front office. It’s like Cohan is still here.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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people will always find something to complain about online...it's quite annoying
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
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This is true.
I think there is something to complain about here however.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 11, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There’s a difference between complaining about nothing and complaining about a dumbass basketball decision. This isn’t nothing. This was a joke of an off-season for the Warriors. Whether they get Jordan or not, this is an F.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not using it on Lee is settling for mediocracy imo
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 11, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying that the front office is good
just reflecting on how we were excited about the new owners a year ago
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 11, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Well that's before they were given their first real offseason.
So far not so good.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
the Lee hate baffles me
Can finish at the rim with both hands.
Good-to-excellent rebounder.
Nice mid range jumper.
Excellent passer for a big.
Forced to play out of position at the 5.
Only new to the team/system last year.
Last year played for (lets be honest) a poor head coach.
Severe injury during last season.
Good locker room guy.
Good work ethic.
Popular with other players.
Marketable.
Defense is the obvious downside but shouldn’t he have the benefit of the doubt having never had a decent center behind him. I can’t see it being worth pissing away a few million a year to have him play for someone else.
Even if you grade Lee's Offense an A+
He gets a F or worse in Defense. With a perfect offensive score and F grade defense he averages out to an average player as a total package, for the cheap price of 12-15 Mil/Year!
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
F seems a bit harsh
I see him as a capable defender at the 4 spot. He just doesn’t get to play there all that often.
And if you amnesty you are paying him to play for someone else. It would be a horrible business decision.
You should be able to expect weak side help from the 4
He averages only half a block a game so he’s no use there, even when he plays man to man he tends to disappear from the majority of his games. The best grade he gets for D in any situation is a D.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
he's not an explosive shot block...
…it’s a question of how much his defense is liable for against the most PF’s in the league.
In the playoffs he would be going up against upper tier 4's in the league.
In a series Lee would be given the business…routinely. No one else was really ever gonna give him the money we gave him. No wonder he’s so glad to be here. Like Stephen Jackson he bent GSW over backwards with a smile on his face. Oh well at least he brings his lunch pail to work every game. It’s also kinda nice he hasn’t shot at anything or hit by a car and all that. Good times, good times.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
by kenntoe on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just stating that you wouldn't want David Lee as your starting 4 in a playoff series.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I love how the warriors nation, now that the high of Nelly's
pick-up style basketball has fully washed away, will dismiss and constantly pick at a player’s individual defensive abilities…
Defense is half the game and it matters, and surely Lee doesn’t have the explosiveness or body type to handle the upper-echalon of PF’s in the league…but it seems to me lots of frontcourt starting defenders suck (maybe Lee is the worst? NBA teams rely on team defense cause no individual likes to play it…but I admit in the post, the 4 and 5 spots, it’s really important to defend the low post and be active around the hoop.
david lee is not even a good help defender
it’s the reason he’s arguably the worst defensive PF in the game.
by bigkino217 on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Dirk's a solid defender.
Not a great help defender but solid in both man and off ball defense.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Dirk's no KG on D
But he’s one of the most dominant PF’s on offense that the league has ever seen.
"We Deserve"
Dirk is a pretty serviceable defender. He gets shit, but he does a pretty good job of holding his own. Victim of perception, not fact. His 5 year defensive RAPM is +2.2, which is actually really good. Not that far from Tyson Chandler who is +2.9 in that same sample.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
I hated Nellie Ball from the get go
I just can’t get on board with any scheme that does not want to play D.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
At this point, I don't know what the right move is.
But I’m very near certain that this wasn’t it. Say we don’t land Jordan, which we probably won’t. All indications are the Clippers will match. We used our amnesty for nothing in the ultimate short-sighted move. But here’s to hoping for the best. Go Warriors.
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Agreed. They should have waited with using amnesty..
But ultimately, Warriors trying to show the world that they are not afraid to make a move, and this is what it is – “a move”.
The argument that bidding on Jordan forces Clippers overpay does not fly, since if they don’t match we will be the ones overpaying.
I think the Warriors
would have preferred to waive Biedrins, but it’s easy for us to say “do it” when the owner has to pay that 9 million, rather than the 4 million it took to amnesty Bell.
i personally don't really mind the waive of bell.
he was a useless player and clearly a dysfunctional player.
however, i would have saved it for later and use it on dlee. Why? because in case theres a big FA we want to sign in 2012, we can amnesty him. Why not beans? because he is easily tradeable, for atleast a 2nd round pick. Atleast beans has more potential to be a player more than bell could. But that is of opinion of course.
Those who wanted to waive beans clearly are frustrated and have a short fuse, want to rebuild, and scrap this season as nothing. And i agree to some extent. But this team is poised to make some noise and we have to. The waive of lin, amnesty of bell, and rescind of reggie may not be pretty but its a step. Atleast if we fail this season, next season we will have humongous cap.
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by bimmercirem3 on Dec 12, 2011 2:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The loss of those three were never going to be a problem. The loss of the amnesty on a small bit player will hurt in the future.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
because in case theres a big FA we want to sign in 2012, we can amnesty him.
Going into the next offseason, we currently have $44m on the cap. That means we’ll have something like $14m available for an outright offer for a free agent (eg, a competitve offer for a near-elite player) or the ability to sign-and-trade for a player signing a max deal.
Amnestying Lee, Biedrins, or Monta would put us in a position to make a max offer outright, but there’s only one player available next offseason who’s worth it – Dwight – and he’s going to want to sign on a team which has some pieces around him to be competitive.
Yes. But it's become much less valuable under the new CBA.
Because you can take back up to 150% of what you send out.
Look, what we’ve seen recently with Los Angeles should make it abundantly clear that being capped out doesn’t stop you from making trades.
But having players others wants changes the context.
Who’d give up something valuable for Monta, beans and lee?
Answer: No one.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
wait what?
what we’ve seen recently with Los Angeles should make it abundantly clear that being capped out doesn’t stop you from making trades.
that’s not what I get from that at all.
They just dumped Odom for what boils down to cap space.
They made a huge talent-losing trade because they didn’t have enough cap space
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
ah, ok
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
trade exception does not equal cap space
it’s basically a trade piece where a team says “you don’t want odom, so we’ll trade him for a trade exception and you can go after who you want instead”
You’re right, the Lakers can still find ways to make moves. However, they’re on the short list of good teams that good players are likely to re-sign with. There are only a few teams that are willing to trade for a guy like CP3, who has hand-picked his list of possible destinations.
For the rest of us, we need to manage our salary cap better.
"We Deserve"
Your explanation is lacking. Who else were you going to use amnesty on?
This was done in order to make a big offer to DJ without going over the cap. Otherwise, the Warriors would have been hit with the lux tax if DJ accepted and they got him. We could not do it on AB because we still need a center if the Clips matched. With both DJ and AB, then it would free AB up in trade and I like the pairing of DJ and Udoh at PF in order to clog the middle on defense.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Otherwise, the Warriors would have been hit with the lux tax if DJ accepted and they got him.
The luxury tax starts at $70M this season. I don’t think we would have hit that anyway.
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This was done in order to make a big offer to DJ without going over the cap. Otherwise, the Warriors would have been hit with the lux tax if DJ accepted and they got him.
first of all, you can’t sign someone to go from below the cap to over the cap, unless it was your own player you are trying to re-sign.
second, as evanz stated, even if it was possible, we would not have come close to the luxury tax
Who else does the team amnesty?
Biedrins seems like a dumb choice unless you’re confident of landing another center, because we need somebody in there, and if he returns to form, he’s genuinely good. Mobile 7-footers who can finish and block shots are a rare commodity. He’s in camp, saying the right things, in motivated. So you don’t amnesty him.
Monta Ellis clearly has trade value.
Lee? It’s really easy to not like Lee’s contract, especially in it’s last two years when he’s getting paid over $15m. But the reality is that Lee brings some important things to the table, and so while he’s overpaid, it’s really a quesiton of $6m-$7m a year, at absolute worst. eg, look at Deandre Jordan – there are multiple teams willing to pay him $10m a year and he’s a worse player than David Lee (albiet a different skillset).
So you amnesty Lee, you then turn around and spend a big chunk of that money on replacing him with a similar or worse player. And yes, maybe you’ve shaved $6m off your cap … which amounts to pretty much nothing in abstract. It’s slightly better than the midlevel. That’s a lot of contortions to go through – making the team worse in the meanwhile – to get a little bit of cap room.
So, who else? Well, here’s the catch:
There is nobody else to amnesty. The only other players with contracts that last after next year are Curry and Udoh.
If you really think expiring contracts are that valuable as trade assets, then that’s actually an argument against trading Biedrins. He’s an expiring in two years – about when the new luxury tax rules are coming into effect, and he’s a $9m expiring, which is to say an expiring big enough to trade for a good player. (You could trade him straight up for Lamar Odom, for example). Whereas Charlie Bell’s $4m expiring doesn’t really get you much of anything – you’re turning him into a sub-midlevel player, not a difference maker.
by Ronaldinho on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
He’s in camp, saying the right things
If Biedrins was able to talk his way out of getting amnestied then in 3 years, he has an extremely promising career in politics.
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by KillaContract on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I've said words are cheap more than once.
But the point is that if you’re not going to amnesty him this year because of the hope that he’ll improve, and he doesn’t, then you’re only sitting on him for one year before he’s an expiring and has real value.
only sitting on him for one year
More like baby sitting.
At least I have 3 more years of easy jokes at Biedren’s expense!
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by KillaContract on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
No, the right move to me would be to stash the amnesty away after our plan A, B, and C fell apart in our face.
Keeping Bell wouldn’t hurt this team. He can always be combined with another asset to be moved or to match salaries. Using the amnesty on Bell is a huge waste of a one time, precious amnesty clause. Misusing it on Bell won’t hurt us today, but will hurt us in the future.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
by kenntoe on Dec 12, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It was a panic move to me, and desperation is always a key motivating factor for the warriors.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Biedrins seems like a dumb choice unless you’re confident of landing another center, because we need somebody in there
Do we really? We made it into the playoffs before starting Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington at center. Having Biedrins at center doesn’t make us a great team anyway, because he’s not a great player. In the short term, starting Lee, Udoh, or Tyler at center doesn’t make us that much worse of a team (it’s pretty hard for us to get any worse).
Monta Ellis clearly has trade value.
Does he? Then let’s trade him.
So you amnesty Lee, you then turn around and spend a big chunk of that money on replacing him with a similar or worse player.
No, that’s not wise either. We don’t have to do that.
If you really think expiring contracts are that valuable as trade assets, then that’s actually an argument against trading Biedrins.
Biedrins has a player option in 2013/2014, so that would most likely be his expiring year. His contract has got a long way before it becomes a valuable trade asset.
Whereas Charlie Bell’s $4m expiring doesn’t really get you much of anything – you’re turning him into a sub-midlevel player, not a difference maker.
Expiring contracts can be combined with other trade assets in trades for good players. We’ve seen this many times before in the NBA.
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by YaHeard on Dec 12, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Does he? Then let’s trade him.
Exactly. The only real trade value he has is some sort of delusional trade value to Joe Lacob and Larry Riley. If he has trade value, Andre Igoudala would be in a Warriors uniform right now. There is not one team that we could feasibly trade Monta to where I can say, “He would be a great fit there.”
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by Doctor Kajita on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I think too.
All of those trade rumors involving Monta and Biedrins are exactly that: rumors.
"We Deserve"
I still don't get the Hating on Lee
The W’s were 7-4 with Lee to start last season. Then went 0-11 without him. That was the season right there. Playoffs vs. Not Playoffs. If Lee doesn’t get “The Tooth”, the Warriors might be the 8th seed (and Smart still the coach).
Personally, I think thing worked out for the best because Smart was not the coach of the future, but if they made the playoffs he would have been fire proof. Also, it put the W’s in position to get Klay, who I think is going to be in impact player on the team. Not necessarily ROY, but a solid 2/3 for years to come.
Lee will be a valuable player on the team OR a trade asset. He’ll likely avg 15/11 or better on the points. That’s valuable for a lot of teams.
Bell was a lame use of the Amnesty. The W’s should have waited to use it next season. They would have data about:
- is Biedrins back or a bust?
- is Klay good?
- Does Monte adjust to playing Defense, and playing off the ball?
- Does Udoh improve and what’s his position?
Ultimately, the only player really up for consideration to Amnesty was Biedrins, but considering he’s a 5 that once averaged a double-double, it’s worth waiting to see if can regain form. Then he’s either a valuable asset on you team, or a great trade asset.
If he regains form, then there’s no reason to use the amnesty clause – WHICH IS A GOOD THING!!! But, if Biedrins still sucks, then combined with the data gained above, the team can unload a big contract with knowledge of what the team really needs.
The only way amnestying Bell is a good move is if the W’s get Jordan, or the cap space saved allows them to acquire a big time player – but it better be this season.
by joegiant on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It’s not hate. It’s objective dislike of his game. Characterizing it as hate doesn’t make your argument better.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
what's the infatuation with 8 seed?
great..we are Charlotte bobcats West..
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 14, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
or the next chicago bulls....haha jk
but seriously chicago were 8th seed with the same core as last year, with the addition of a defensive coach. Yes they got an MVP in rose, but we got steph and monta. Granted, they arent mvp type players, but i seriously think a team defense in the Warriors will do us good.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 15, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
apples and oranges..
they have an MVP player in Rose who is a legit future superstar…they have a legit young center in Noah and can actually attract free agents…(Boozer…Wade’s 2nd choice to Miami)..and they have an owner that isn’t an idiot that burns his amnesty on an expiring 4 mill contract.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 16, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
The W's did the right thing
For the situation they are in. In other words, they made the right business move. Amnesty doesn’t mean they don’t have to PAY the player they cut. And their players you are talking about cutting would be in serious demand “for nearly free”. And we’d have to sit and watch them light us up a few times a year while knowing we’re paying them for the pleasure. That’s not a good use of money. Beans is an expiring next season, so be patient. Lee’s deal is long enough that inflation will make it a good deal in two years. So you’ve suffered the “overpayment” part of the deal, why trade away the reasonable years in a panic? I doubt we’re going to watch Charlie Bell light us up while still having to pay him. It’s the same as cutting him, which they probably would have done anyway.
So, to me it looks like they made maximum use of the money they have already invested while gaining enough cap space to try for a promising center, even though it’s a long shot.
by Gainon10 on Dec 12, 2011 12:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And we’d have to sit and watch them light us up a few times a year while knowing we’re paying them for the pleasure
I wouldn’t mind if we faced Biedrins or Lee every night, to be honest.
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Ekpe Udoh posting on Lee.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ekpe is an awful scorer, but he would still be able to do damage because it’s Lee. Then Udoh would shut Lee down.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Meanwhile: Lee would totally light up Lee. And Udoh would totally shut Udoh down.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You know, Epke hasn't shown anything really special as a one-on-one defender.
He’s a great help defender. He might turn into a good one-on-one defender, but as far as actually having shown he can do that at the pro level?
I recall seeing some games here and there
but of course htose are just games here and there.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
the right business move
The wrong business move is to march Beans out on to the court and expect fans to pay to watch. If Lacob thinks that then let’s restart the boycott now.
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by KillaContract on Dec 12, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Um... Biedrins has a player option
For the 13-14 season. I doubt he’s going to opt out.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
Lee’s deal is long enough that inflation will make it a good deal in two years.
This the zaniest thing I’ve ever heard. Not only is Lee’s contract horribly backloaded, but he’ll also be on the wrong side of 30 at the end of the contract.
By that same token, we should’ve kept paying Adonal Foyle. Inflation FTW!
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If the cap goes back to going up every year, Lee's contract becomes less bad.
But the built in raises outpace inflation by a tremendous amount.
OK so now that Deandre Jordan is officially a lost cause:
I would like to present the following hypothetical conversation between the Clippers and Warriors front offices:
Ws: Hey, so, FYI, we’re gonna offer DJ $42million, and to do that we’re going to have to amnesty Charlie Bell, which would be a huge mistake if you matched our offer. So if you don’t want us to drive his price up, tell me right now if you’re going to match.
Cs: Uh, yeah, brah. We’re already offering Kaman in a trade, and Griffin really wants us to keep DJ.
Ws; OK, sweet. We’re going to go ahead and do it anyway, because we are f___tarded and our brains are full of monkey c_m and malt liquor. Later!
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 12, 2011 6:33 PM PST reply actions
bye bell
Thanks for your 1pt game you put in each night
by Yo mama is a warrior fan on Dec 12, 2011 8:39 PM PST reply actions
Cleaned house?
Probably fired Riley.
Still wouldn’t necessarily helped us in free agent market.
Exactly.
People are complaining about Ellison not being our owner because of our free agent results this offseason … and yet Ellison probably wouldn’t have been able to do anything better.
agreed
I’m actually sorta glad we managed to escape the offseason without over-paying Chandler, Nene, or (especially) Jordan on a long-term contract
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
maybe would have picked kawhi over klay
nothing that major though
Do you really want Ellison overuling the basketball guys on the team?
Jerry West was Klay’s big supporter. West or Ellison, West or Ellison … when it comes to basketball talent evaluation, that’s not a hard call, now, is it?
eh there's no knowing who ellison would have wanted
i do know, however, that the spurs wanted kawhi. and if you asked me who i trusted more with talent evaluation, jerry west or the spurs front office, i’d have to side with the spurs.
Maybe.
The thing the Spurs have done better than most other teams is scout foreign leagues. They invested in that, and it’s paid real dividends for them.
I’m not sure that they’re really been particularly good at drafting American players. Mostly, they’ve had a solid foundation in place which has allowed them to take risks for talented players that other teams feel they need to stay away from (eg Blair) or go after players to fill a specific need because they already have their core guys.
It’s a lot easier to draft when you have a core of an elite player and a near-elite player.
Jerry West was Klay’s big supporter. West or Ellison, West or Ellison … when it comes to basketball talent evaluation, that’s not a hard call, now, is it?
Ellison’s money can buy someone less over the hill than an old lakers guy,.Look how he failed to make a gasol trade when he was at memphis, thus delivering gasol to the lakers, that woulda been enough to keep me from hiring him. I get the impression he was just hired for the name much like our rookie coach Jackson was hired.
Klay’s dad being an ex player should be a big red flag in West’s support of the draft choice, the kid drafted right after Klay had tons more potential but no insider connection.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
I wish that I had the money to buy the team.....
….but if I did I would not buy a loosing NBA team for 450m.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 AM PST reply actions
Heres the deal
It was a stupid waste of the Amnesty, honestly even though Bell is zero production on the court he does have value as an expiring contract. I do not care about saving the Owners money, I care about winning. The Amnesty should have been saved till next offseason. Where most likely it should have been used on Biedrins.
They could have easily signed Kwame like they did on a one year deal. Then they have a ton of Cap Space which they can go after someone big and then resign Curry because you can over the limit with your own players. Lets say your Dwight howard you wouldnt want to play with a core of Curry a long distance shooter that can space the floor for you. Ellis a slashing guard that can be explosive, maybe not efficient but can points up. Wright a solid defender and a great maker of corner 3s. And Lee who can rebound, is smart and can space the floor granted your going to have help him on the defensive end. Thats not even including the bench with Udoh, Amundson, Thompson.
If I am Howard, I get to be the star of the Team in one of the largest markets in the US who has ravenous fan support even though the Warriors have sucked for years.
And sure I am positive I will get some naysayers on here that will say, Howard would have never come here, the warriors are better fighting for the 7th and 8th seed. Thats the loser mentality the Warriors and their fans have had for too long its need to change.
Because of who they chose to use the Clause on
Yes they still have to pay Bell the 4 million that he was owed.(On a side note, I would love to be owed four million) but the amnesty should have been saved and then used on most likely Beidrins after the year and went after more talent. Thus they would be paying Beidrins what is it 11 million and not playing for us while adding another big contract. That is how it saves Lacob money.
by Oracle Junkie on Dec 13, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
i dont think saving money was the reasoning behind amnestying bell
or they would have kept it in their back pocket like they should have
Saving Money
I think a big part of it was the owner saving money. If David Lee gets amnestied, that’s $70mil off of our salary cap, but $70mil that the Warriors still owe him.
Undoubtedly, our stupid front office would probably try to fill that team salary void with whatever other terrible free agents we could try to overpay (think Corey Maggette). Therefore, we’d be “double-paying” for both David Lee and David Lee’s “salary replacement”.
By amnestying Bell’s $4mil contract in order to sign Jordan to an offer sheet, at least our FO is trying to make it look like we’re trying to get better.
Of course, if our FO was smart, they’d amnesty Lee and save the salary cap space until it was wise to use it.
"We Deserve"
the thing about Lee
is that it is pretty much a given that he would be claimed off waivers (which would defray the cost to the Dubs)
Lee is a good basketball player on a contract that is not so good. Sort of like a poor man’s Rashard Lewis
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't stupid use of amnesty
The only options we have to amnesty throughout the CBA agreement is Lee, Ellis, Biedrins, Bell.
Ellis and Biedrins have good trade value.
Lee, we’d only want to amnesty later in his contract and by that time he will have good trade value.
Thus bell was/is the best option to amnesty and we got to take a gamble at Jordan and forced Clippers to pay him more than they wanted to.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Lee, we’d only want to amnesty later in his contract and by that time he will have good trade value.
Oh. He’ll have more value when his contract is averaging 15 million a year as a 32-33 year old with a 52 million dollar cap. You’re right…is that what they sent out in the STH email?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
when he has 1 year left, he will have a lot of value as an expiring
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It's a little more complicated than that.
You can’t say that Lee is earning $15m and that the cap will be $52m – because the cap is being contracted by escrow givebacks in existing contracts. So if you want to talk about a $52m dollar cap, then you’re talking about a $12.5m contract, or thereabout, for Lee.
Still too much, but let’s compare apples to apples.
Lee would have been a great amnesty guy in 2 years, when they’d still owe him $45 M and after he’s turned 30.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know how you look at it as a good basketball decision. They probably wouldn’t have amnestied David Lee at any point and that’s a very bad thing.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
people who don't see it now
will definitely wake up in a couple years and realize the mistake, maybe a lot sooner
I’ve said the same thing about the SJax extension, Biedrins extension, Monta extension, and Maggette signing. How many times does history have to repeat itself before we realize we’re doing something dumb?
"We Deserve"
biedrins' extension was reasonable at the time
he was coming off a season where he averaged like 14/13 per 36 on a high TS% while playing plus defense, and was 22 years old.
the other contracts, however, were not.
am I alone in praying that Jordan's career follows a similar path?
would be awesome to see a division rival saddled with a bloated contract because of our blunders (I mean, astute maneuvering)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
So, we used the 1-time Amnesty
To sign a 1-year contract with Kwame. Excellent.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
i think they could have signed kwame even without the amnesty
for like 1 year/6 mill
what they should have done
use the amnesty on david lee cuz we all know he is never gonna earn that huge contract we gave him last year (where we blew everyone out of the ballpark) and signed only free agents who wanted one year deals.
yes we would have sucked this year. but that is nothing new for the warriors and nothing they have done this offseason tells me this season will be any different. after basically blowing the team up this year we would have had a high lottery pick (hopefully) in an absolutely loaded draft class with plenty of cap room to sign two really good players next offseason (or sign one max contract guy). add whatever we get to a core of curry, ellis, thompson, udoh, wright. and the future looks bright
i dont care about winning this season. ive dealt with losing warrior teams for far too many years to care about one year. but start thinking about the future. dont sign guys that will improve ur team by a few wins. set ur team up for the future
OK, I've been quiet throughout this whole Bell amnesty clusterf*ck
So here’s my 2 cents:
To the Warriors mgmt: WTF were you thinking?!?!?! Yeah, I know why you did it. You needed to take money off the books to make the Jordan offer, but:
1. was taking Bell’s contract off the books worth making an offer you knew the Clips would match? Why not just give Jordan a lower offer(4 yrs/39mil, is it?) just for shits and giggles, because thats what your offer of 4yrs/43mil really was. To call the Clips’ bluff right?
2. let’s be real…was there anyone besides D12 or CP3 or even TC that was really worth going after this offseason to make a huge difference in making this team a winning team sans trading Curry or Monta?
I’m really baffled by this “WIN NOW” attitude Lacob and the upper mgmt are taking. OK, I’ll play GM for a quick minute. How about play this 66-game season out with the current pieces plus add an MLE ot two that would complement Coach Jackson’s defensive mindset. Umm, why didn’t we go hard to get Shane Battier or Aaron Afflalo? These guys aren’t going to break the bank, but I sure as hell would feel better about my perimeter defense with these guys hawking the ball and make key jumpers a la Bruce Bowens. And you can sign a chump like Kwame as well to shore up the frontcourt!
Honestly, I see this first year with Coach MJ as a learning year for EVERYONE. To learn the new scheme…learn how to play solid team D…and to mold these talented rookies into impact pro players. Yeah, call it what you want, a throw away season, then position themselves for next summer where the FA talent pool will be 100x richer!
Make big moves then. Next year would’ve made more sense using the amnesty clause on Beans or DLee after we see what their true worth is on this team after 1 season together under the new regime. If the Curry-Monta project still doesn’t work for whatever reason(they still can’t D up), package 1 of them plus a couple of our young talent to get that big name!
Lacob might’ve cleaned house in the Warriors’ brass but he forgot to fumigate the place— cuz it seems as if Cohan’s plague is still spreading its terror throughout the new mgmt’s minds. If we want a first class organization where we attract top talent, we can’t make boneheaded decisions like the Bell Amnesty debacle. The wrath of all the Dubs fans will reign down and start 250+ comment threads like this!! LOL
I know Lacob & company want to appease the restless Dubs nation and WIN NOW, but there has to be a sense of calculated direction here and not do things in haste. Like many of you have said, we wanna win now but know its not going to be an overnight thing. I’ll take their recent idiotic decisions with a grain of salt only because I give them the benefit of the doubt that these moves will move us in the right direction, but keep the guillotine ready. We may have to crucify this new regime if things go sour quick over the course of this season.
We Believe!!!
Why Use It Now?
They have plenty of time to use it, why now with a guy making 4 mil. Typical stupid move by a stupid organization. Bells contract might have been voided by what he did in court showing up drunk. All of these supposed smart new guys in the front office all screwed up on this one.
Lacob makes way too many statements and moves without thinking things through. He needs to shut up. He is looking more the talkative fool, than anything else. He is finding out, that this isn’t the Celtics, one of the elites, but GS one of the bottom feeders. He can’t think like a Celtic here.
Agree
I dislike how Lacob talks too much, overly optimistic. Like Obama, all talk.
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by AlbinoWhale on Dec 17, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
nellie sucks
and he alone is responsible for the demise of the warriors—and no ownership or management will ever change that.

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