Golden State of Mind Rumor Central (Part 3): Warriors Sign Kwame Brown to 1yr $7M Deal
by Evanz on Dec 13, 2011 9:07 AM PST
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Kwame Brown agrees to 1 yr, $7 mill deal with Golden State, source says.
It's day 4 of the free agency period. I woke up this morning to the following tweet from Chris Broussard:
League officials' efforts to re-engage Clippers in Chris Paul talks not going well, source says. As far as team is concerned, "It's over." https://twitter.com/#!/kbergcbs/status/146356414732976128
Are you freaking kidding me? Dwight, come to Golden State! We'll even take back Captain Jack for you! I swear. What will it take? I'll throw in a case of Captain Morgan, if you want. Srsly. We'll get you and Ellis mopeds to ride on together like Ponch and John in CHiPS. Just tell us what you want, and we'll make it so like Jean Luc Picard (well, actually we'll tell others to do it like Picard told others to make it so, but like, that's besides the point.)
I have an idea. If Plan A (Chandler) and Plan B (Paul) and Plan C (DJ) and Plan D (Dwight) all fall through, maybe we should move on to a different plan.
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I would love to see Dwight in Golden State blue and gold because of Monta :).
"Go ahead. Make my day."
I wish it could happen but it wont :(
by Steve B on Dec 12, 2011 6:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
What the crap
I assume he means he wanted them in Magic uniforms…but with our apparent lack of near term hope, this is like torturing the condemned man.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
I read it as he would
like to play with them, not that he wants to play with them necessarily in Orlando or GS
yeah well, not sure what Howard expects his GM to do now
that team is saddled with a ton of decent players on horrible contracts.
not sure who they would even offer in trade, now that Bass is gone…maybe Anderson…that’s not going to get you anyone good, that’s for sure
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Steph and Lee for Dwight?
Would you do this? I’d hate to give up Steph, but if Dwight wants Monta, Dwight gets Monta…
curry/lee/klay/udoh/(tyler) for dwight and hedo.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
who is our pg again, after this deal????
We know monta cant play pg. lol
And Dwight signs an extension to play on a team with Monta and Hedo why?
He’s leaving Orlando because they can’t build a winner around him. You want to trade the pieces that might work with Dwight to get Dwight? How does that lead to him signing an extension?
Otis Smith showing why his is a bad GM
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
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by Evanz on Dec 12, 2011 7:41 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
dwights face says it all lol
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
What happened to Nene??
He’s still unsigned right? The Rockets were interested in him, but they just offered M. Gasol a huge deal. Denver still wants him, but he may not want to stay there? NJ is going after Dwight. Who else is going after him?
Agreed...
Who’s to say we couldn’t sign him to a back loaded deal with this season starting at $10 million.
That said we’d committing an awful lot of money for the 13-14 season with Lee in the 15 million range, Ellis and Biedrins with player options (11 and 9 million respectively), Curry likely needing to be resigned to into at least 11 million range, and Nene (or Jordan if the Clips don’t match). That’s some were around 45 to 55 million tied up in 5 players. We’re almost guaranteed to be over the cap that season. Meaning this season and next season are critical for us to amass talent.
Either the Warriors are go to have to start valuing the draft more or our current philosophy of buying talent (either through trade or free agency) will keep the Warriors stuck in the doldrums that we’ve been in for the last two decades.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
last time i heard, nets offered like 17 million or something for nene
because they know they cant get dwight.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I bet the Clippers are making an offer
but doing it under the radar. Why wouldn’t they?
by eastbayglory on Dec 12, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
What I’ve read is that teams are waiting for the Dwight stuff to end/die down before signing Nene.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well we're not in the Dwight sweepstakes
Let the other teams sort that stuff out. What better time to make a strong offer than when other teams aren’t paying attention.
I asked Scott Howard Cooper what are the chances that Clips match offer
@thecity2 99.9999999999999. Maybe more.
https://twitter.com/#!/showardcooper/status/146266192410193921
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Our owners
Have been doing some pretty serious swing and miss work over the last 2 off seasons. I think part of the reason is that Golden State is a perennial loser and players know that. I’m sure that has them avoiding us like the plague. Also, despite being one of the top 1 illest places on earth, I think LA has the better rep for athletes cuz of their media exposure. That’s in spite of it being a turrible place.
Anyway, I think until we start competing players will continue to pass us up. Maybe we lucked into a star with young curry, but he just can’t play defense. Neither can monta. One of them needs to go and it should be monta. Our front court of strapping white men also cannot play very effective defense. There’s a 1 in a 1000 chance we could ever win big with nellie ball, and that was We Believe. I’m not trying to watch another 999 seasons of bad basketball.
by RACE!! on Dec 12, 2011 8:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
correction
One of them needs to go and it should be
montawhoever we can get the best deal out of.
and i don’t mean “curry get’s more value than monta, so lets trade him,” i mean if we can get a favorable deal on either player (or both) you do it.
Frankly I don't think many other teams would have held on to both players for so long.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
True enough though if that was quoting me I think you snuck in an extra line.
Seriously I love all of these players but this isn’t a winner. I mean, I’m not saying blow it up just cause it’s turrible, I’m saying we need to blow it up if we can get back something better.
by RACE!! on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions
i'd like to point out that the Pacers look really really good after this offseason
Collison
Mayo
Granger
West
Hibbert
GSW take some notes
Speights is on teh block. i suggest we ditch this DJ drama an go all out for him. the sixers want him out west
monta/udoh for speights/iggy?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
ditto
although George is more of a SF
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yea but you've gotta find a way to keep george and granger on the floor
george at the SG just seems like the logical thing to do
yeah it does
but teams often have issues like that, that they can’t figure out for some reason
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they played together a lot in the playoffs, so I assume they will this year, too
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mayo has the size and the defense
that balances out the high volume zero defense of granger
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
in what world
is mayo a better defender than granger?
Mayo has the size advantage over George Hill, but he’s only 6’4" with an unimpressive wingspan. Paul George the far superior defender.
I don’t know where the idea that Mayo was a good defender came from. I got caught up in it for a minute. He’s really not a good anything, though.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
NOOOOOO!
we don’t want anything to do with Speights
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why....
the focus of this would be iggy…
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
why wouldn't we just trade Monta for Iggy?
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they don’t need Monta
it would have to be a three way trade
I don’t like Speights for Udoh either, but I’d do it if it got the deal done
but I don’t think it would
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Marreese Speights could be traded from Philadelphia to Denver for a second round pick. If it goes down like that it’s a steal for Denver.
should we try and offer something better? its easy to top a second round pick lol
by gswarriors12 on Dec 12, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
even if we offer our second round pick
it might be more attractive than Denver’s
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Udoh is one of the few players we have that can defend. Why would we give him up for marressssseeee spades? That dude seems to be a serially underperforming average player.
by RACE!! on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Dwight Howard re-thinking trade demand
and the Magic are currently not planning to trade him.
CHRIS PAUL TO CLIPPERS IS OFF!!
NBA asking price is too high. They were asking for Bledsoe, Gordon, and the pick. Clips didnt want to do Bledsoe and Gordon
i said this the other day
Chris paul talks with clippers just broke down! Package curry with beans and others for paul , send Lee, Edoh and Lou for Howard. Why would howard want to play with the lakers if they would probley have to give up Bynum and Gasol leaving only an ageing Bryant. Hornets are in love with curry and might just take beans off our hands too.
by npandres on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Curry for cp3 for 2 years?
He only agreed to extend his current contract with the clips. I doubt he would do anymore for the Ws. Curry can be a star for alot longer than 2 years. But do you think the warriors can then have 2 years to sign another star? The weather in northern california is alot nicer than the south this time of year.
Package Curry with Beans and others for Paul
Somewhat conceivable, given the breakdown of the LAC talks, and Demps’ rumored fascination with Curry.
send Lee, Edoh [sic] and Lou for Howard.
LOLz.
Hey, Evan, should the diary header be updated to reflect the breakdown of the LAC/NOH talks? That seems like fairly big news.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
i thought they could also take on Hedos contract and then amnesty it before they stupidly used it on that dude with the DUI WTF!?
by npandres on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know this is a dumb question
But are we still after chris paul??
by Steve B on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Since we have cap room
We are in unique position, we could take Dwight + one of their contracts (Jameer or Hedo) to make it more enticing.
Not that we need either, or want either, but I’d take them with Dwight.
Perhaps Curry, Biedrins, Tyler, Lou for Dwight and Hedo?
and if Baron gets amnestied, bring him back.
Baron, Monta, Dorell, Lee, Dwight
Yes, it’s nice.
Well, sure — to the extent that anything ending in Dwight Howard is nice. I think that team is below average at the 1, 2, and 4 spots (remember, we’re talking today’s BD, who has very little in common with the 2006-08 edition) and average at best at the 3.
I’d take Jameer Nelson over the fat 2011 BD, JRich/Reddick over Monta/Klay, and Ryan Anderson/Brandon Bass over David Lee. I’d probably take Dorell over Turkoglu. Overall, I’d say last year’s Magic >>>>> that Warriors team.
Still, I’d take that Warriors team over what we have.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree Sleepy
Do you think Orlando’s team without Dwight would win 36 games in the easT?
I think the same way they all benefit from him, guys like Monta and Lee would hit their top efficiency.
I doubt Monta or Lee will command any defensive attention with Dwight.
we have no cap right now
Until the clips decide to match
I thought so
It wasn’t official till he puts pen to paper. Offer sheet is for purposes of his own team matching. They have 3 days (or is it 1 week?) to match it or he’s officially ‘unrestricted’
I thought he signed it
By accepting it, he is a warrior if the clippers don’t match. Don’t think you can rescind that.
You can rescind a offer to your own rfa, like we did with Reggie.
He did sign it
That’s why the clippers are now required to take action. The offer also counts towards our cap right now too.
We are not getting Chris Paul
the NBA’s price is too high
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On the second thought, I dont even want Paul
I want to see what Curry can do in his 3rd year.
Really? So the praying kitten you posted that everyone rec’ed was a big, fat lie? Say it ain’t so!!!! ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No lie.
That kitten actually prayed for the trade and is still down with it. SDtotheBay, however, is no longer.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
forget paul. go for howard. much better and game changer.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Marc Stein
Clips had $3.5M in cap space, used it to post winning bid and now face task of getting Billups — who had threatened retirement — to report
Clips GM Neil Olshey hinted to LA media earlier today that team would use remaining cap room first and THEN match DeAndre Jordan offer sheet
Doesn’t sound like this will change anything as far as matching Jordan goes.
LA Times seems to think it’s a done deal.
The Clippers are expected to match the offer sheet restricted free-agent center DeAndre Jordan got from the Golden State Warriors on Sunday, two people with knowledge of the situation that were not authorized to speak on the matter said Monday.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Timing
I think everyone is expecting them to take the full three days, just because they can. Sounds like they made up their mind before Jordan even signed the offer sheet.
if they had matched deandre's offer immediately, they would not have been able to claim billups
they wanted to use up every bit of cap space they had left before matching the offer sheet
that is why they haven't matched it yet
they still have a 2.5M exception to use as well, so you’ll probably see them try to use that as well before matching deandre’s offer sheet
Yeah, I understand that...
My point was, they have absolutely no incentive to match the offer sheet until the last day. Waiting gives them flexibility, and ties the W’s hands.
meh
the warriors can still be in talks with other players, they just cant offer them a contract until the clippers match the offer sheet. it’s not like the clippers are looking for other players in that price range. they can’t afford to.
Even if they match the offer
Jordan can still pick us right?
Huh?
That’s stupid. How come in the MLB you can choose who you want?
the NBA has that too
it’s called unrestricted free agency
I assume you don't watch basketball a lot
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by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure the MLB isn’t as willy nilly with young players as you think either. Older players in both leagues can basically do whatever they want, but teams in both leagues have a lot of control over their guys early on in their career.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nope.
Sounds like DJ’s gone. Time to move on to Dalembert?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
depends
the warriors front office is acting desperate for a big man right now, which gives dalembert all the leverage. he could ask for like 4/35 and i have a bad feeling out front office would cave.
Ugh, that’d be horrid. I was thinking like 3/$18M max.
At a certain point I’d just as soon stand pat with Udoh/Biedrins/Lou/Tyler and add overall size by dumping Monta for a normal-sized wing. Being somewhat small/frail at center isn’t quite so bad if you’re not small/frail at every other position.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
...
To trot out he old, obvious chestnut:
Curry
Iguodala
Wright
Lee
Biedrins/Udoh
is in my view a much more effective and defensively capable starting lineup than
Curry
Monta
Wright
Lee
Jordan
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
+1
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
i could probably convince myself dalembert is worth slightly more than the $5M MLE for other teams
but yea 3/18 is about as high as i would go. unfortunately the front office is itching to spend money for a big man. maybe i’m wrong about this (and i hope i am)
i love the line of thinking in that we make ourselves stout at all positions except C
If we luck out on Tyler then great, maybe we win the DW sweepstakes, or maybe we luck into a good draft of a potential C or we pick up a good fa C in a couple years …
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind overpaying Dalembert for 1 year
offer him 1 year 10M
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
No even that deal sucks
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
how so?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Waste of money
We’d be better off trying to sign some other free agents to long term deals
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
i'd rather not
there are no more good free agents left that i’d want long term…id rather overpay for 1 year and go for someone good next free agent class
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Dec 12, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, give Dalembert 500k more than what the Rockets offer him for 1 season and let him and Biedrins fight for the starting spot.
For one season, totally
But isn’t Houston offering him multi-year deal?
I dont believe so. They want to be in the DH,Hibbert,Mcgee sweepstakes in july just like everybody else. Im sure if a multi-year deal was offered he woulda put pen to paper by now. Houston was spending their time going after Nene and Gasol.
Makes sense
Except 500k probably isn’t more money.
No state tax in Texas. 10% if you make over a mil in Ca.
Ouch
This offseason sucks
Dalembert better not be overpaid, either, if we choose to target him
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
we've resigned Radmanovich
Golden State of Mind @unstoppablebaby
Looks like the Warriors have signed Cosmo Kramer (anybody heard of Julian Khazzouh?)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
damn
it is really, really hard to be a Dubs fan these days
…can we PLEASE get some good news!?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
clearly this guy attends the David Lee school of weight training.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
MATCHED
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Clippers have matched Golden State’s offer sheet for DeAndre Jordan, league source tells Y! Sports.
good
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
We all expected it
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
same
I would’ve just waived Charlie Bell if they didn’t want him as a distraction (even if his salary still counts against the cap) and save the amnesty for potential use on Biedrins. It was an absolutely horrific move by management, IMO.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
about time.
now we can focus on either beans or no one (maybe howard).
however, i hope we pick up some good backup players.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 12, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
if they plan on using the cap space
its better to use it before signing klay and tyler.
great
and in the meantime, none of our rookies get to attend camp
this should work out great
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
man
they should just sign them and move on. If we can’t get a good enough Center for a reasonable price, then it’s time to start building on what we have
pretty much
what’s the next step here…Sammy D?
I have a really hard time imagining him having any sort of significant effect on our record
let’s just call it a day, get everybody in to camp and go from there
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
At this point
Joel Przybilla, Andrei Kirilenko and Samuel Dalembert looks to be possible options on the semi cheap
OJ Mayo has been traded to the Pacers
for Brandon Rush and Josh McRoberts
Hypothetical question
We have cap room. Had we not amnestied Charlie Bell could we have swapped him to the Clips for Kaman?
they would'nt have done that i think,
mainly because Kaman is an expiring contract too
it would have provide them immediate cap relief, though
in case they wanted to sign another FA and they’d still have an expiring, albeit a smaller one, for trades and whatnot
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
worth more than HUGE cap relief + expiring?
I don’t know that anyone’s banging down their door for Kaman.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think the trade would work straight up
Might generate a TE, but those seem to rarely work out.
But in the end, centers are so overvalued (10+ for DJ) that keeping them makes more sense in the long run
I just hope they don't over-react
Sometimes the move you don’t make is just as important as the move you do.
They have to fill the roster, but I don’t think DJ is a franchise changing guy so I wouldn’t waste too much time and energy on him. If the Clips match fine if not great but either way I don’t see him giving us more than a couple wins more or less, he’s certainly not going to carry us to the playoffs.
The big problem wasn't losing out on DJ, it was blowing the amnesty on Bell...
…in the hope that a drug-abusing lazy loser who hasn’t played well since 2008 would suddenly turn into a franchise center.
by MightyMegalodon on Dec 12, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
what's this about (alleged) drug abuse?
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Does he know something we don't?
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sign Kwame Brown to a 4-year, 40 million dollar deal! Solid gold!
by MightyMegalodon on Dec 12, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
As it turns out, you weren't that far off.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
@johnhollinger
Now having $10M in cap room, would Golden State bid on Baron Davis if he’s amnestied?
wouldn’t be a bad back up, would we accept him, though?
no, never please
He wouldn’t be a good influence.
Worst case keep cap space and see what you can get for monta
how wouldnt he be a good influence?
he’s publicly stated over and over again GS was his favorite
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Sign up the rookies
fill out the roster with some defensive veterans that can gaurd at least two positions…AK47 HELLO!
Trade for Corey Maggette
and sign him to a five year extension.
4 year max now I thought?
Can we just go get Hunter again too :)
Did anybody hear Biedrins’ interview on the radio?
He sounded like he’s in a better place mentally.
I’m excited to see what he does this year.
He sounded exactly the same last year... guess what's likely to happen once he plays?
by MightyMegalodon on Dec 12, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well I don’t know. Could get bad Biedrins or good Biedrins. What I do know is he is in the best shape of his life, and that a confidence problem is a more manageable problem than a skill problem. Sounds like he’s been working on his mentality all summer, he implied that he has a don’t-care-what-anyone-else-thinks attitude towards basketball this year, which would be good to see.
But I can’t fault you for your stance since Biedrins hasn’t earned anything different with his performance. I just really want him to succeed and I feel like this is his best (and probably last) year to do so, at least with the Warriors.
Random
But can I watch the open practice tonight on U stream?
First order of buisness now that Clips matched
Sign Tyler and Thompson
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Sign them before practice tonight!
That would be a smooth move
by JoesBurlyCurls on Dec 12, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
sign Craig Smith to a one year contract with team option for second
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Holy smokes, looks like Evanz has caught the Warriors FA Fever as well!
We have an epidemic on our hands, folks.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Next thing you know
He’ll be calling for us to sign Jeff Foster for the league minimum
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
We could declare him cured at that point.
That would be a steal for us right now.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 12, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Wow so Craig Smith is our big FA target huh...
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 12, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
the salary floor is 85% of the cap
we have to sign somebody, why not make it a big body who can score a little? I just don’t want us to commit too much money over too many years.
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Wow!
Mark Stein:
Source with knowledge of deal tells ESPN that Clippers’ winning bid in waiver auction for Chauncey Billups was just over $2 million
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Savvy move by the Clips. We need to fill out our roster with a bunch of cheap amnesty players!
agree
O well at least we have curry he will put up huge numbers this year.
I hate getting my hopes up about this team.
Curry SHOULD have a huge third year, especially with the new coach.
Monta SHOULD be more involved on defense and know his role on offense with Mark Jackson as coach.
Dorell SHOULD learn more moves than the pump fake and improve even more this year.
David Lee SHOULD go back to his 20/10 form after last year’s Chandler-bite fiasco
Beans SHOULD get back to his athletic, efficient, defensive self once he clears his mind.
Does any of the stuff that should happen to us ever actually happen though?
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 12, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
/run: every Warriors pre-season since 1995
I want them to win now too, but it seems like this is a terrible offseason for throwing huge sums at the top free agents. I really like the amnesty-vulture strategy…
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Everything they are doing is making sense, what move have they made you dont agree with? They are going after the top defensive C’s available in free agency. You cant fault them for swinging the bat.
We still need a commanding presence in the middle!!
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Dalembert has been that before on defense, offensively you have to ask yourself, who has been the best point guard Dalembert has ever played with?
I don't know.....it wasn't in Sac, it wasn't in Philly. If he was that good, why would Sac drop him?
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
We could all use a commanding presence in our middle! ;-0
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
You have to admit
Plan 9 from Outer Space is looking pretty good right about now
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DEEEAAAANNNNNDDDRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We hardly knew didn’t know ye.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 12, 2011 6:13 PM PST reply actions
1. Sign Rodney Stuckey for 7 Million...
2. Trade Monta to ORL; get Al Jefferson from Utah; Utah gets JJ Redick/Ryan Anderson
3. Sign AK47 @ full midlevel
Done
he's better than any backup we have?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
get anderson from orlando
for monta
throw every dollar at afflalo
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Really
If we’re going to trade monta to the magic, can we not get al Jefferson in return. I Haven’t watched him much this past year but his defense sucks, and he’s not a 5. We have Lee at 4 and they both have expensive contracts.
I would love to get Anderson from Orlando.
a big slow center that rarely plays d?
no thanks
jefferson is not on the magic either
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Anderson is
PF that is probably a great fit for a Don Nelson run team, so if this was 3 years ago the Warriors comm would be clamoring to get him. He’s a versatile PF that can score a little bit inside and out. Great shooter. Does he start for the Magic?
What is this fascination with Rodney Stuckey? Dear God!
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention.
he wouldn’t get any minutes on this team behind monta and curry…and stuckey will never agree to be a backup playin 10-15 min a game
Stuckey would be a nice pick up if Monta got traded
He can play both the 1/2. Doesn’t turn it over a lot. Get’s into the lane, gets to the line, makes his free throws.
That said, he wants a lot more than an MLE.
-6 assists per 36 (better than monta)
-2.3 assist:TU Ratio (better than Curry and monta)
-6.3 FT attempts per 36 (better than curry and monta)
-86.6 FT% (better than monta)
-.544 TS% (on par with monta)
He’s not that bad. He’s a good ball handler, he does some good things. He could be a nice 3rd guard with out without monta. Price is the issue
Is Al Jefferson not available? Utah has like 5 centers/PF's...
Kanter – C
Milsap – PF
Jefferson – C
Okur – PF
Favors – PF
Fesenko (likely will resign) – C
I think he is a solid big man that could be our “Zach Randolph” of sorts. Offer Ellis to fill their void at SG (Burks, Raja) and then we try to sign a starting shooting guard —> Afflalo.
by warriorfan4eva on Dec 12, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I remember they were shopping him
I would go for it
thank you
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I've pointed this out before
he gets to the line a lot and defensively he’s pretty good (better than Curry or Monta)
His RAPM is +0.2, meaning he is an above average player. As long as the contract is reasonable, that’s not a bad guy to have come off your bench.
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Sadly, I don't think he'll be reasonable
In the event we can pull the miraculous dwight howard trade (probably involving 1 of our 2 guards) I’d look heavy at him,
In other news, Dallas signed Delonte for 1 year, i think in realm of 2.5 mil. Great dubs.
An actual viable combo guard who can guard both positions on D and play both positions effectively on O. No way we’d want that. Especially since we will likely trade one of monta/curry.
I like Dallas’ moves. Well except the VC one. No clue why they’d commit 3 years to him. But Odom, Delonte, Rudy Fernandez replacing Chandler, Barea, Butler? Not bad.
cp3
Several sites saying clips/noh talks are back. Sounds like the league really wants gordon or the min pick, and cp3 is ok with committing to picking up his option for next year.
Do you trade curry for 2 years of cp3? Obviously cp3 could still ask out any time though.
Trust the Warriors front office they try like the "dickens"
I am starting to question the meaning of “dickens” but still they are trying like…that.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 12, 2011 6:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I was being sarcastic, so far the Warriors FO has been doing terrible this off-season
we should have from day one gone after more obtainable FA and now because we didn’t we are getting left out of all of the good role players we could have gone after.
Curry
Jenkins
Monta
Thompson
Wright
Lee
Udoh
Biedrins
Tyler
That is worse than last year.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 12, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
too worried about making a big splash that they missed out on all the value
by bigkino217 on Dec 12, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
all part of the plan to get a sub-7 pick in next year's draft
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
by fjm on Dec 12, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The exact problem is we have a talented team that
is not constructed properly we are just good enough to miss getting a draft pick but not make the playoffs. This is the worst possible scenario.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
What do you want them to do? Have they not tried to get the best 2 shot blockers on the market? They are willing to pay, TC and DJ showed you that. They cant force anybody to come here.
Here is the thing, trying is different than doing.
The Warriors at this point should be playing moneyball, they should be trying to find value not overpaying and making the most obvious choices.
Say the Warriors did pay around max for 4 yrs of Tyson Chandler… is that a fair price? I really like Chandler so I think that it actually is somewhere near his value if he is motivated. However to get him on the team we needed to amnesty Biedrins(which we should have probably done anyway.) Then we tried to overpay for Jordan, which could be considered a smart move because it forced a rival to overpay for him. However now because we spun our wheels with these guys we now have limited options.
We could have been getting value from the undervalued people in the market, like Hayes. That is excusable what isn’t is using the amnesty on Bell and letting go of Lin. Lin has value imo, Bell was expiring if we didn’t want them they could have actually been used to either expire and create cap space next year, or as part of a trade for actually greater value.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
You’ll never get it, Lin has zero value. He has not proven anything in the league. Who would you save the amnesty for?
Houston immediately picked up Lin
They seem to like him. Lin did well in the d-league and showed he can play defense in limited minutes. Sure Lin isn’t great and will never be a star but he can have some small value. Remember Belinelli, we gave him up for barely anything. Sure Belinelli isn’t great but he has become a valuable player. There was no risk in keeping Lin, none at all. Biedrins should have been Amnestied, Udoh outplayed him at center last year, he has a big contract that is now on the books for a few more years. We need to do a whole bunch of stuff to make this team a contender for even a low seed playoff team. A larger backcourt, a backup SF and some defense in the middle. We could have improved the team(we might as well, we lose our draft pick anyway) in a different way than spending every cent we have on one Center that was unlikely to come here to begin with.
This off-season the front office should trade Ellis and improve their depth and they can still do that, but the clock is running out and I am at this point not optimistic.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Who would you save the amnesty for?
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Who would you save the amnesty for?
Lee, Biedrins, Monta?
All 3 making big money and who knows if thy’re worth it. I get the fact Biedrins is owed 27 mil and you don’t want to ‘give up’ yet. What about next year?
Kwame just got 7 mill, Biedrins will always have trade value. D-Lee will always be able to help your team, even off the bench.
logic problem
Kwame got $7mil…from us
I doubt he would have gotten such a sweet deal from any other team
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt it aswell, did we overpay? yes! thats what you have to do when teams like the heat and the celtics want a player your after tho. If they can pay him 3 or 4 we have to pay 7. Get used to it.
That's not why they overpaid.
It was to get to the salary floor.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 13, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
awesome
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
'dickens' is an english euphemism for 'devil'
back when people made more of an effort in public to appear pious, and from superstition, they favoured folkish alternative expressions and not directly say the words ‘devil’ or ‘satan’. even now, Riley would have probably frowned on using the word ‘devil’, whether he was aware of the origin of ‘dickens’ or not.
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by the.monk on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am starting to question the meaning of "dickens"
he was a tiny little country music singer that kept trying
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Good
it mean we can sign our rookies now
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
What a bummer of an offseason…
It seems to me that going after Chandler was a mistake.
Someone should’ve pointed out that top free-agents in the NBA rarely sign with the W’s.
Not too many players consider Oakland a “destination” in the NBA.
I mean, would you want to live in Oakland if you were an NBA player?
Hell no…
Yeah, you have to be making David Lee type money
to be able to afford to live in SF.
Have the rains let up yet?
You sound idiotic, most players dont live in the City they play in. They live in the suburb of that city. Danville is where alot of Bay Area athletes live along with Alameda and Walnut Creek. The Oakland Hills are probably better than where you lay your head tho.
Where Richie Rich caught his dope charge?
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Every suburban city done had somebody catch a dope case in it. Surprised you squares know about Double R.
Never been a square never will be....
Shouldn’t be suprising at all. Although, I’m a bit suprised I dropped that reference on a message board.
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And I think you took my response in a unintended manner.
I was merely agreeing with your statement about areas to live. Oakland has many beautiful places to live but unfortunately, most only think of the bad.
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 11:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, maybe I did a bit as well now that I think about it.
Having a family will do that to a guy.
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 13, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
the offer was a moderate-risk, low-cost p.r. gesture
J.West’s lukewarm response was revealing. Fans should look at the episode as a diverting lesson about Lacob and his newly formed personnel team. After making a risky investment with the high purchase price tag on the team and nearly being forced to write off the entire second season of his ownership, they are probably going to make changes very deliberately and incrementally.
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somehow mr. Monk, you have made this all seem ok for me. Our tank is on.. We tried like the devil to land a quality big.. oh well maybe next year
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 12, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not really, our "stuck in purgatory" limbo is on.
Our tank is on..
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
It’s the Oakland A’s effect. Nobody wants to seem to sign here.
by Slapa d bass man on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 PM PST reply actions
If the Clips matched the offfer, dumbarses rescinded Reggie's QO for nothing(!) leaving rookies on the bench! Which---
is why we will continue to suck! Real smart moves all the way around! We make an offer for Jordan, a player who Jerry West “is not sure” about! We need a seasoned coach, and we get the showbiz experiment to follow the Smart experiment! I am going to say something that all of you are thinking, but in the usual GSW fan pre-season fantasy trip, no one wants to say: This ownership group SUCKETH big time!
So you rather they made no moves then?
Had to make space for a big offer.
Read Monk's comment, above. PR! Showbiz! This ownership group thinks they can con the fan base!
They are certainly not building a playoff contender! They have now lost the two best 3pt shooters off the bench! It’s just not this year though. They have now sucked in their decision-making two years in a row! I hope the fans appreciate their “conservative” entertainment, and opt out for next season!
true and 2s that can score and dont d are easy to find.
I’ll root for reggie no matter what team he’s on, but he can be easy to replace
Actually I'd like Klay to backup Monta
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
What happened to all that hype over Nene for the past 6 months?
I thought he was our guy…couldn’t we offer him the same as Tyson?
We could still offer him $12 to start. Followed by 15, 15, 16…
I’ve read the Nets are looking to make a run at AK47 with the Russian connection. He wants like $9 mil per year though…cause he’s making quite a bit over in Moscow right now.
by warriorfan4eva on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 PM PST reply actions
How much $ do we have left now?
Steinmetz is talking K. Brown…and there’s always that mention of Dalembert still. But we need some real defensive players on this team.
I really think our only hope to get better is if we go hard after Afflalo and sign a cheap C like Kwame with our midlevel.
by warriorfan4eva on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 PM PST reply actions
I heard Brown has become a productive defensive player by age, but to tell you the truth
I really don’t know.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
We had ~$7m before amnestying Bell and cutting Lin.
So essentially should have like a MLE to work with.
extrabaggs
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by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
When you Amnesty someone, how much of their salary are they owed?
Is the contract just wiped out?
Not sure how this works.
This feels like the Cohen Syndrome
Use it on someone cheap cause there is no way in hell your going to pay someone 27min to walk. They just Farming Cash from the fans
by Critical Roach on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
correction
you owe them all the money…minus whatever another team pays them
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
looks like we got Kwame Brown for 1yr, 7M
not too bad of a price…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AtnY9kK13oY51zUw72WkyEG8vLYF?slug=ys-nbafree_agent_buzz_121311" target="new
Meh
~$2m overpaid, but it’s only one year.
extrabaggs
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by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
same feeling, i'm really only happy it's not something like 3 yr 28M
maybe kwame can become serviceable? 8pts, 7 reb last year per game…
he’s a solid post defender and has a good rebounding rate…great signing considering the circumstances…he’s basically an expiring that can actually play!
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Kwame Brown signing = turd hitting the toilet water
by ERock386 on Dec 13, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
who said the Warriors weren't going to to make a splash this offseason???
haha, a big fat cannonball of a splash!
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I'm starting the movement
can we please start calling Kwame “The Big Splash”?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
So, who do we target now?
I’m of the mind we need to bring in some wings.
Richard Jefferson, AK47, and Affalo come to mind.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Doubt we have space for Afflalo
Someone will overpay him. Maybe AK47 or RJ…but more likely someone even lesser…or even Baron Davis!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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out of those 3, i'd prefer afflalo
erratic but the youngest… RJeff is old and tired… AK47 had his best year back in WE BELIEVE, and has sucked since.
how much is each asking for/ worth though?
I'll say it
Deshawn Stevenson
Then we just need him to have another tattoo party and have Monta get the O-Brien trophy tatted on his arm like Terry. Championship.
I say win the bid on Richard Hamilton like the Clips did on Chauncey. Hope that either he or Klay can play backup 3.
Doubt we win that sweepstake, but yes, that would be solid
I wouldn’t mind baron, if he’s willing to take backup minutes.
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Yeah!
But of those three we should go after afflalo
RJ is not Hella good anymore. I don’t think he’d be motivated on the defensive end. Kirelinko wants to much scratch, and while the cash itself isn’t a problem I’m not excited enough about him to commit 9 a year over three years. That’s no good for our cap.
But afflalo is younger, is committed defensively even on the nuggets, can drill the open three and can likely be had for less. Given the way this offseason has gone though I wouldn’t be surprised if we overlooked him. Also Denver might def match.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 9:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Guys, I figured it all out. No worries
Come the deadline we’ll be involved in a 4 team trade-
1. Biedrins will find form (maybe not 07-08 but certainly not 10/11)…
2. Biedrins to Minnesota for Beasley, Pekovic (Williams has passed up Beasley, Minnesota needs a center)
3. Monta + Perkovic to Atlanta for Hinrich + ZaZa + league minimum type of guy + and a pick
4. Orlando- Hinrich (expiring), KwamE (expiring), Tyler, Pick, Udoh, Beasley, Lou, league minimum filler.
Lots of youth. Lots of cap relief.
5. Warriors take- Howard, Hedo, Zaza
Lacob decides to help buy out JR Smith from China- http://shanghaiist.com/2011/12/08/nba_players_still_trying_to_get_out.php
Play off push
Curry, Smith, Dorell, Lee, Dwight
Bench- Jenkins, Klay, Hedo, Zaza
Before you all criticize me, I’m trying like the dickens here
He's not even short!
6ft4, 190, 6ft6 wingspan. Good defensive measurements for a PG.
A little undersized @ SG, but he’s ok their too
Someone break out the Wes Welker analogies
He’s a little undersized but he’s scrappy. He’s a worker
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Congrats. You found the one guard in the NBA that plays worse defense than Monta Ellis.
This statement is false. Want some credibility? Do research before you post. Had you done that, you’d have noticed that Hinrich has a good defensive reputation.
Almost anyone not brain dead seems to think that Hinrich is not just a better defender than Monta, he’s a pretty good defender. I suspect he’s lost a step, but he was one of the better defensive guards in the league. It’s not hard to find people who regard his defense as having been very good, including a second team all-defense selection a few years back. It’s possible that the opinion of everyone else is wrong (unlikely) but in such a case, it’s on you to put some sort of moderately coherent and intelligent answer together as to why there’s widespread disagreement with your assessment of Hinrich. If you can’t do that, there’s not really any reason to pay any attention to anything you’re saying.
credibility? Where? here?
Many of the writers and posters here are very credible, eloquent and thoughtful, putting in solid research and analysis into their posts. Unfortunately, some posters are marked by saying outlandishly foolish and unsubstantiated nonsense like Hinrich being one of the few defenders worse than Monta.
He was serviceable for them last year. We didnt have a center other than the ghost of andris.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 9:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
As much of a joke as this signing is
it’s still a solid pickup for the dubs. Kwame is a good post defender and put up decent rebounding numbers last year. We don’t even need him to score, so his lack of a post game really isn’t relevant.Plus being a one year contract, who cares? It’s still a better stopgap solution than letting Tyler get destroyed before he’s matured enough to play extended minutes.
I’m calling it that we will all be content with the signing once the season comes around, and we’re not getting absolutely wrecked by dominate big men. It’s really funny how GSOM quickly writes off literally EVERY player that is not all over the media.
Got love for the WCC.
I want to laugh too
I think its a joke but I hope he does not bring laziness to these team.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
yeah, the Warriors
WANTED and thought they NEEDED a center. Shows their trust in Biedrins…The Warriors would have had to overpay for any center this year…at least it’s one year.
Every year, I come back to the Warriors with HIGH HOPES. EVERY YEAR...
…FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
This year, I felt I realistically expected some meaningful changes. Playoffs? Not out of the question. Championship? Only in my wildest dream.
What I did not expect was the free agency period to be pretty much just as fruitless than every other over the past oh…decade or two.
What’s worse about this year, is that we publicly went after some top names and publicly failed. At first glance, you say, “Hey! That’s great!” But then when Chandler declares us his number one…and then bails for NY, and CP3 won’t sign an extension with GSW…but then offers one to the Clippers, you can’t help but feel like we never had a real chance to begin with.
And after going after DeAndre Jordan, who actually SIGNED our offer sheet, the Clippers (of all teams) outbid us to keep their big man. Now every other GM knows we’re down to our last options and they no longer have to bargain with us. We’re somewhat desperate. What is the $%(!@#$ NBA world coming to?
As a Warrior faithful for 30 years, it pains me to say that some very important things are exactly as they have been. Why do many players around the league avoid GSW like it’s radioactive? This a great market with affluent, wildly enthusiastic fans. More than any other place in the country, if you build it, these fans will tear the god damn roof it to come.
We love the underdogs around here. Give us somebody with potential and heart, and we’ll ignore the mouting losses to a degree. But we’ve hung in there long enough. I’ve been watching this debacle for longer than some of you have been alive. After essentially two decades of losing, we waited through a lockout for this? You can understand my frustration but this is insane; repeating the exact same behavior and expecting a different result.
I’m going to be righfully pissed until some wins pile up. I have earned the right to be highly critical.
WORD though
I’m not quite ready to mortgage my hope for this ownership group. I’m still hoping they are stupid/naive and will improve with time.
But the problem with your truthful statement about the fan base is that we will keep coming to games, our TV contract will stay valuable, and there isn’t an economic incentive to win. That’s why Cohan just farmed money out of us for so many years, because he could.
I wish Ellison had gotten the team. The man is insane, and we could have been assured of his genuine desire to bring a championship to the bay area.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I share your sentiments entirely, except I have been an avid fan for 36 years, I had the fortune of following the Warriors on their winning season and listening to Bill King for years..
They blew it in every since of the word as far as I can tell, they screwed themselves with Bell and now with Brown….I know for a fact that I could of done better than this FO has done, I’ts a crying shame after all the optimism that was created by this supposed power house of an organization they supposedly put together,..
I can just see the Clips and Nicks along with the Lakers laughing their arses off at us, I feel sorry for the players that were expecting big things ;)))
Yes, the Clips, Nicks, Lakers and Hornets are again laughing their arses off..again
At some point, you just have to laugh. It’s a tragic comdey and the Warriros fans are the stars.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
the clips are paying dj 10 mil a year
I am laughing
high hopes every year?
you’re a sucker
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 13, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
this
the secret to being a happy Warriors fan is to keep your expectations exceedingly low
just enjoy some entertaining basketball, but don’t expect a truly competitive team (look at our point differential, the Dubs really aren’t even close to being good)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont understand it too
why players trying to avoid GSW. But we got 10 National TV broadcast. Compare to other team we are there with the elite team; In terms of NAtional TV broadcast. We got more National TV than the Grizzlies. They been to the playoffs they beat the no#1 team which is the Spurs. But still they only got 5 National TV broadcast. Not including NBA TV.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
We are trapped in a positive feedback cycle
We are a perennial loser. Good players know that. They don’t want to play for a loser. Good players avoiding us means we keep losing. Boom.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
the Warriors are
an unproven franchise. Great location…but they have a bad team this year, and there is no frame of reference for this franchise/new owners to look at and say “this is gonna get turned around.”
The warriors will have to develop success somewhat organically for lack of a better word…i.e. without a “superstar” and then, perhaps, they can acquire or groom that superstar.
sure
if they can avoid trading our currently best players for prospects, as the Warriors have done annually for at least 20 years.
The fact that Monta or Steph are even in trade talks is highly disturbing. We have players that teams around the league covet. That alone should tell you NOT to trade them. Monta and Curry should be the pieces around which we build until we can get something better but frankly, that backcourt is highly productive. I don’t know what more you could want.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
they can't find the pieces
in the frontcourt and their bench to compliment the backcourt…the price to get those pieces seem to be Monta/Curry in trades, and FA chose not to come here.
Exactly.
Teams know what we need and we’re stuck potentially having to give up our good pieces to get it.
The Warriors are right f-cked. How on earth did it get this bad? The Bay Area is not a “small market”. Maybe in terms of population, but you’re talking about some fairly wealthy, vocal, people.
Cohan relied on our loyalty to milk this thing dry for 20 years. He ruined this franchise.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
7 million population is not really "small market".
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with you...
…but they keep calling us a small market for some reason. I always wonder why.
I think that’s the image that the NBA powers used to portray. That was until they found out they had a HUGE market in the fans’ loyalty around here, which is uncommonly spirited.
Our loyalty changes the equation.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
No see, we are a small market
Because this team absolutely sucks. Nobody is a fan even though this is supposed to be a big market.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Warrior fans pack that Coliseum out with stunning regularity.
That has to be attractive to an owner because you can reliably forecast operating at maximum revenue.
Our attendance numbers make being in a small market irrelevant from an operations standpoint. Unfortunately, it’s the same market players want to avoid because it’s not popular enough (? idk). Which I don’t understand because this is the Bay Area for God’s sake. It’s not like we’re Oklahoma City of something.
GSW needs to hire a statistics sampling firm to figure out exactly what amenities top players seek and why they don’t think they can find them in GSW.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Once again
We have all this stigma because we are a terrible basketball team. It’s not about amenities or anything like that – we need to start winning consistently.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
That's the million dollar question.
How do you just start winning games?
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
By drafting smartly
and making smart free agent signings, like signing Chuck Hayes. Don’t try to flash money because you’re not getting anyone unless you overpay.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Well then you're talking about at least another 4 years...
Building through the draft obviously takes time. What do we do until we draft the next D. Howard?
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Make smart decisions
and build around Curry. But honestly, we have not been making good decisions. Monroe should have been picked over Udoh. I just don’t trust the front office to do anything right.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
might be too late to build around curry
ideally you want to build your team while your key players are all on their rookie contracts. then once they hit extension time, you make your big jump over the cap.
Yes I agree that the Warriors FO missed the boat on that one
That is why that Monroe decision hurts, as well as the draft pick to the Nets. We needed good young players, not Udoh, a defensive PF with little upside.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
udoh was more of a quick fix, win now type pick
that soon followed with making the david lee trade. that was really the end of the attempted rebuild
I would've like a similar situation to OKC
Where they drafted Durant and Westbrook, and drafted smartly instead of trying to fling money around
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
even the clippers
drafting gordon and blake
We need to hit the lottery jackpot.
It would be nice to get the #1 and actually make a good pick with it for once.
Or, you could get lucky and pull a couple of second round Monta-type steals out of the draft pool.
But either way, you’re still talking about a few years to develop. I’m tired of waiting – we’re always waiting. We’ve been in some type of funky rebuilding type thing for 20 years. It’s always, “Oh next year, we’ll start winning games.”
Sorry, but I’m deaf to the promises. I hate to be pessimistic but I’ve heard all of the lines over the last two decades.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
ideally you want to build your team while your key players are all on their rookie contracts.
Even more important is to ‘build around’ players good enough to take you deep into the postseason. I like Curry. He’s a rather good player, but he’s not good enough (and I suspect he never will be good enough) to be a player you ‘build around’ unless the plan is to build a team that floats a bit above 500 trying to squeak into the playoffs.
Honestly, the ‘build around’ concept is mostly meaningless, except in the sense that it can make people vastly overvalue someone once they’ve decided that a player is someone they’re keeping as part of a ‘plan’ no matter how doomed the plan is to max out at mediocre. A better plan is to get better players, repeat as necessary.
Make better moves
Don’t tie up the cap overpaying a bunch of dudes that can’t play defense.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 11:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
…but they keep calling us a small market for some reason. I always wonder why.
because while we have a large population we also have lots more things to do here than many cities so basketball( or all sports) is not as attractive a diversion as it is in less advanced cities.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
I love monta but he needs to GTFO. He has solid value and we cannot win while we put up a backcourt with no defense. It’s just not going to happen. Maybe on the college level or in an Israeli league or something, but you cannot compete without defense in the NBA
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don Nelson's head just exploded...
The Warriros might need to trade Monta because it’s the only way to acquire the pieces in the frontcourt necessary to compete…but having a backcourt of Curry/Ellis is not the inhibitor if their success.
Lots of teams don’t play good defense with any consistency. Individual effort is poor for most players…team defense is more important in the NBA…except in the post…one on one post defense is important.
Iggy or Rudy gay.
We scraped into the playoffs once and knocked off a team who’s coach didn’t make adjustments. As I recall monta was in a 6th man bench scoring role.
Someone please name me one team in recent memory that has been a consistent winner with a super weak on D backcourt
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You are very correct about team defense, and we’ve never had that and I’m anxious to see it thus year if it materializes
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
you need a good frontcourt
to play good team defense (along with good coaching, unselfishness, instincts…) to offset perimeter defenders getting beat
Iggy and Gay are Forwards…
Monta was the starter the whole year until the playoffs…
Iggy and gay are indeed forwards.
I’m not saying you don’t have to have a good front court, that and actual team defense and team rebounding of pinnacle importance.
That being said I still can’t think of a team that’s been a perennial winner in recent years with backcourt d as bad as ours. Maybe you could talk about Nash and some of those 7SOL suns teams, but Nash made up for his deficiencies with great playmaking. While curry can make plays he isn’t on that level. Homeboy is shoot first. It’s too bad we can’t find a large ball handling/distributing 2 to pair him with I think that would be amazing
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 2:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
OK. Fine.
Name ONE viable trade that we could actually do with a guy like Monta Ellis.
Monta is a unique talent, whether you like it or not. No, he’s not LBJ but the dude is hot ish. Don’t even say we should to give up Monta for some prospects we HOPE will pan out in a couple of years.
When you have good pieces, you keep them.
Besides, Monta alone is not responsible for defense. Last I checked, the guy with the ball pretty much has to get past 5 people to score.
And we did win with Monta in our backcourt.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 13, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
You and me both Mike. I still have my "I'm a Warriors Worrier" button/pin which was handed out at a game in the 80's
Little did I know at the time that the message on it would still be relevant today.
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Well.
Just got home from a final to see that the Warriors have signed Kwame Brown. Some back-up plan, eh?
I'd rather Kwame at one year for $7m than Dalembert for $9m for multiple years.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
We can’t pretend we are an NBA team and play youdough at center. I like his D but he isn’t a center. And Tyler is a very large child who suffers from the ominous “maturity” issues. He could be a huge flop.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Kwame is a journeyman backup
what does he do for this team other than waste $7M? Rebound when he feels like it and there are better big men around him to absorb the best defenders? Whoop de doo.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 13, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
What defensive center is on the market that you would prefer?
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
How do we address the glaring defensive hole in the front court? We needed a center. Beans is beans who knows what will happen, and Tyler is not someone who should be playing an immediate backup role
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not like Tyson Chandler would have but “yes”
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Word
The dude is a punchline. Now we are the punchline for paying him. But he is more functional that just as a large expensive joke. We probably could have made better moves but this isn’t so turrible
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 2:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
not saying that he's the long savior we've been waiting for.. but
come on give the dude a chance. When people hear Kwame Brown all the labels come out. He’s done a solid job last season for the Bobcats. Give him a few games before we lash out on him.Tell me what else other FA would have help us??
I know hes probably the last person we wanted to sign, but what else can you do. $7M for 1 year why not?? Our options are getting limited real quick and something had to happen.
Honestly, I have no idea what your front office is doing.
First the amnesty Bell then they sign Kwame.
What happened to all those aspirations?
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Maybe the front office
hate drunk players
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Whats new GSoMers?
Just checking in. Oh, we used amnesty on an expiring contract to sign Kwame Brown. Same old Warriors, I see.
Thing A
you know it
hey, we tried like the dickens, but we could only get ‘human garbage’
curry better put up
50 a night for us to win lol
All I can say is
Mark Jackson better be a good coach, or all of our offseason signings will have sucked
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what did you all expect to happen this offseason
I expeceted to enter this year with pretty much the same roster. I was suprised they tried this hard to change the roster in the manner that they did.
I expected the front office to be smart
and pursue guys like Chuck Hayes. Unfortunately, they do a “big things are coming” on their website, and pursue an aging Chandler and a RFA in Jordan.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
where did Hayes end up?
I like Chandler fitting in here and with the knicks, but $50 million for a 10 ppg 9 rpg player, who is considered a “defensive presence” at 7 foot 1? Jordan don’t know too much about.
Hayes signed with Sacramento for the midlevel exception
Meaning we could have had him
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
He's a 6'6" PF/C
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
He plays PF/C
and he is good, because his low base prevents players from posting him up
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Hayes
Is probably the person I would have gone for the hardest. He is very good… I suppose though that he is the same size and plays the same role as youdough. Maybe FO didn’t want him taking the young fellas minutes. Because as we all know they are super geniuses to be trusted fully.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hayes is with the Kings
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Kings, Clippers
both made good moves, and the franchises look good moving forward
…maybe we DO end up keeping our pick this year!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
it makes sense if you don't think about it
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by Evanz on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
ahhahahaha!!
just made me snarf hot tea out of my nose
seriously, this is one of the worst offseasons in recent memory
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
no
we amnestied Bell so we could TRY to get Jordan. BIG difference.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Except that it only added added a few million to the contract and was a bad idea from the start
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
At least we got a Forward
in exchange for a guard that we got a lot on our roster already.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
I know what happen
where Jerry West go Kwame Brown go too. Remember the Gasol trade… And Kwame been with the lakers for over 3 years and they got high hopes with him. Then Jerry West pull out the trade then they send Gasol to the LAkers then win championship.
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Not really, Eddy Curry may end up being the Heat starting Center. Its not the worse case scenario having a Center tandem of Brown/Biedrins. It could’ve ended up being Biedrins/Curry.
Haslem is the starting center
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Depends which Biedrins your talking about. The Biedrins I seen last night can start on alot of teams in the NBA. The Biedrins of last season backs up Kwame.
What about his free throw?
Is he going to actually work to improve it so he can not be terrified by the hack a beans technique?
I mean I’m big but not that big. What is his struggle? His free throw is so terrible and could be much better with just a small amount of effort
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would have to see Biedrins play this season to see if he has improved
but Kwame is an underrated post defender. Not a great offensive Center, but he should get us a few O rebounds per game and play solid defense on big guys
Kwame will be taking his rape accusation and bad attitude to the Bay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWyPNQnsa_w&feature=related
“human garbage”, “i wouldn’t speak to him to spit on him,”
kobe?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Haha that is funny
we won the Kwame Lottery
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Does mean that you do not like Kwame?
"human garbage", "i wouldn’t speak to him to spit on him,"
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
It was a quote on
Timberwolves GM
watch the youtube
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Here's a quote from Kobe about Kwame Brown
Bacground: Lakers have a chance to win against the Pistons, Kobe passes to a wide open Kwame under the basket, he bobbles and turns it over
So we go back to the timeout and I’m [upset], right? He goes, ‘I was wide open.’ ‘Yeah, I know.’ This is how I’m talking to him, like, during the game. I said, ‘You’re going to be open again, Kwame, because Rasheed is just totally ignoring you.’ He said, ‘Well, if I’m open don’t throw it to me.’ I was like, ‘Huh?’ He said, ‘Don’t throw it to me.’ I said, ‘Why not?’ He said, well, ‘I’m nervous. If I catch it and they foul me, I won’t make the free throws.’ I said, ‘Hell no!
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he will never be in that
crucial of a situation playing for the Warriors…but I get the point. He’s a puss%
That quote is from a regular season game!
There’s a reason his career has been an unmitigated failure. This was not a high pressure situation at all!
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Warriors Will Sign Klay Thompson, 4 Years, $10.4 Million Today http://j.mp/vNoAAL
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by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nice
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Kwame makes 7 mil
for just 1 year of playing. Klay make 10 for 4 years. Suck being a rookie
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
The most ridiculous thing
is that we OVERPAID for Kwame. 7 million? Really?
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he is an expiring though
So he can be traded at the deadline.
yes,
we obviously overpaid for Kwame. But look at it this way, if he turns out to be terrible again, he is gone by the end of the season. We apparently aren’t really gunning for any other “big-name” free agents this off-season, so we might as well load our bench with veteran players that can add to our scrappy defense. And since it’s just a one-year deal, he really won’t have any impact on anything we do next off-season.
by Warrior Mentality on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Spencer Hawes, Reggie Evans
Would have been better choices for a big one year deal than Kwame. And Kwame does not play “scrappy defense.”
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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Statistically speaking, Hawes nor Evans wasn't really better than Brown last year
Here’s Brown and Hawes and Evans
As you can see, Hawes is the best defender of the three, Evans is the best rebounder and Brown is the best offensive player based on last year’s numbers. To be honest, I would rather take a one year waiver on Brown than on Hawes or Evans (though Evans I would consider; Hawes definite no). Take away the stigma of him being a No. 1 Pick, and this Brown deal wouldn’t look so bad.
What can I say...I like Colombia and I like Carlos Willoughby...It's win-win.
true.
what i really meant was that we might as well load up our frontcourt depth because we’re gonna have to put people out there regardless, so let’s just put whatever we can get out there and not have to worry about it next off-season.
by Warrior Mentality on Dec 13, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
And since it’s just a one-year deal, he really won’t have any impact on anything we do next off-season.
That’s a very important point. Additionally, while I suspect that the value of “expiring contracts” has been overblown, in the not horribly likely event that there’s a deal near the deadline, Kwame could have value as such.
The crappy thing is that this move stings of “look, there’s nothing out there — it’s still a rebuilding year, so we’re going through the motions until next draft”, but as “look, there’s nothing out there” moves go, it’s not horrid.
jae please validate me!
Surely you, in your superior hoops wisdom, sees the folly of using this much money on Brown when there are other pressing roster needs. Was there really no better FA at any position? Are there really no undrafted/D League big men that could conceivably perform as well as Brown for at or near the league minimum?
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but Kwame Brown barely fills that need, and he’s being paid hand-over-fist for it. I would have rather they used that money on “8-man rotation” calibre players if they could be had. Also, I find it extremely hard to believe there are no undrafted/D League players that could be serviceable for 10-15 minutes a game at the 4/5.
Of course, if it’s true that the Warriors couldn’t get/didn’t want any other FAs at any position, the question of the size of his contract is moot. I just have a really hard time believing there were no FAs to spend that money on.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
I’d probably have made a run at Kirilenko and then found somebody cheaper for Kwame’s money.
Kwame Brown is a "medium reward"?
Put down the spliff!
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
why isnt he a medium reward?
he plays d, pretty well. 15 min a game of solid stoppage. that’s a medium reward
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
His career speaks for itself. One year of mediocre play does not raise him above fringe-NBA player in my mind. Being 270lbs, he basically just has to lean into people and not foul to play post D. Why not play some other big, unskilled guy to the league minimum and spend that money on something else?
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody wants to come here
It’s really frustrating when we go from Chandler/Jordan/CP3 to Kwame F’n Brown. And the biggest explanation is that players just dont want to play here because they dont value our franchise or the area.
This is why JRich was such an overwhelming fan favorite. He represented player pride in playing for the Bay. Something us fans have been lacking for decades.
In the past JRich’s name has come up in trade talks and the more logical statistic minded fans on this site have pointed out that a lot of fans overvalue and would overpay for him simply because of an irrational fan love of him, while his numbers dont justify the pay/trade many propose.
Well now it seems pretty clear that this organization is in a spot where we will overpay for players for the exact opposite, because they dont value coming to play for this organization.
If we’re going to overpay based on player preference, I’d rather just overpay players because they want to be here, not because they dont want to be here.
by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM PST reply actions
jordan was fine coming here
He signed the offer sheet. clips matched
What can you do
No one wants to come to the W’s. We made a run for DeAndre and didn’t get him. TBH kinda glad Clips matched, at least we wouldn’t be committing long term money for a guy who may or may not be better than Biedrins. At least with Brown its a short term thing, in case Biedrins doesn’t pan out this year. For as much grief as we’ve given Beans over the past two years, all signs seem to indicate that he is (finally) ready to bounce back…
HARBAUGH FOR PRESIDENT 2012
NINERS SUPERBOWL OR BUST
FREDERICK P. SOFT NOWHERE TO BE FOUND
by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM PST reply actions
When do we get to see
Larry Riley’s head on a stick? They should put it the east bound s curve on the bay bridge. Everybody has to slow down to look at it.
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:57 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Bucher on Kwame Signing
Ric Bucher @RicBucher
Why outrage over Ws signing Kwame for 1yr/$7m? Far smarter move than $40m+ for Tyson or DeAndre and he’s instantly their best big defender.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
good point
This far more about the Warriors front court roster and their team strenghts/weaknesses than it is about Kwame’s intrinsic value. Offsetting everything is the one year thing. And brown wasn’t broguht in to get 15pts/10reb…He was brought in for frontcourt depth/defense…which was the goal all along.
I am so sick of hearing about his expiring contract (not to single you out).
How the h_ll is it defensible to spend this much money on one bad player when there are so many other pressing roster needs??? This team needs players at the 1, 2, and 3. They are going to need wings to play significant minutes, and so far they haven’t even had a practice with Klay Thompson!
Yes, compared to the type of money they were willing to throw at Chandler/Jordan this seems reasonable, but that doesn’t make this a smart move by any stretch of the imagination. There are guys out there that could be signed to the league minimum that would be as good or better than Brown. Who cares if he’s a passable post defender if his signing precludes any quality depth at any other position!?
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
The Udoh over Monroe thing
is still hurting us to this day
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Monroe is also younger
Scored more, and overall played pretty well on offense and defense despite being on an imploding Pistons team.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
monroe is the better rebounder and offensive player with more upside
udoh is the much better defender
With Kwame I think you guys can take the Pacific.
by tenkaistar on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
With Kwame I think you guys can take the Pacific.
or we can take the 5th amendment
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm taking the 2nd amendment...
…to the gun shop to buy something to assault Lacob with. jk…begrudgingly
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Are the Warriors unequivocally better
(which is what matters most) with brown on the team this year? As off-putting as it might be, they probably are.
You're missing a vital part of the equation:
Are there a whole slew of non-drafted/D League players that could perform on Brown’s level for the league minimum? Absolutely.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 13, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Can we trade Kwame?
Not sure what the rules are. Will we be able to trade him by the deadline?
In a normal season we'd have to wait till December 15 before he was tradeable
Now I think it’s more like January 15th.
Eitherway yes, i imagine he’ll be a valuable trade chip. Him + a young player could get us something useful
Beyond that, if Klay or Tyler show anything, if Udoh improves
a combo of Kwame, Lou and 1 of those players could get a very good player in the 10-12 mil range who’s team wants to cut salary and re-build.
Or, we can make the BIG move for Dwight!
Kwame’s expiring + Klay or Tyler + Lou + Biedrins to a third party for expirings + picks/prospects for Dwight + something they’ll likely force us to take like Hedo.
I think depending what we can get that’d be an awesome package
Kwame Brown cost the same as 3 1/2 Chaunceys. Good job.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 13, 2011 7:02 PM PST reply actions
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