POLLING GSoM: Kwame Brown or Andris Biedrins? Who should the Golden State Warriors start on opening night?
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 13, 2011 7:49 PM PST
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Erick Dampier and Adonal Foyle could take these guys!
In case you missed the BIG news today the Golden State Warriors finally made their BIG move of the offseason that the franchise has been hyping up for quite some time.
See Warriors Sign Kwame Brown to 1yr $7M Deal and JUMP for more!
Due in large part to the stellar season he had with the Charlotte Bobcats last year, the Warriors decided to ink former #1 overall draft pick Kwame Brown to a 1 year deal at a cool $7 million. I guess the Warriors front office and new ownership really thought Kwame was overpaid last season at $1.2 million.
(Wait, didn't the NBA just have a lockout because the owners were upset about all the foolish contracts they handed out?)
Well the goal here isn't to pretend like this is a BIG, fascinating move for the Warriors. It's to start a dialogue about which of these two should be starting at the 5 spot for the Warriors now. (Shoot, if it was my call I would have amnestied Biedrins and donated that $7 million to the Bring Back Thunder foundation, but we have to live within the real world hoops constraints.)
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Udoh
I can’t believe we’re even debating this to be honest, after last season
The only reason Udoh basically can’t start is because he will be needed to come in for Lee and provide some offense, which the other two guys can’t really.
by Evanz on Dec 13, 2011 7:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
come in for Lee and provide some offense, which the other two guys can’t really.
I’m pretty sure you meant defense; but still, bringing in Udoh for his offense really goes to show how bad both Kwame and Andris have been on that end.
I thought the same thing at first
Then I remembered that the other 2 bigs are Brown and Biedrins, and I realized that he really did just say that Udoh is needed for his offense.
And for the record, I don’t think Udoh will be nearly as bad on offense as many of you tend to think he will be.
I agree
But for some reason this team has this fixed mindset about who is a 5 and who is a 4.
Did they not learn anything from Nellie? Play your best guys regardless of position!
Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 13, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nellieball, good for regular season wins, not good for championships.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Youdough
Is not a center man. He is a talented defensive PF. He doesn’t board like a center, he’s not big like a center. He’s not a center
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
True true
But udoh doesnt clean glass like a center. He isn’t that big. I’m so tires of the small teams. I think he can fend off DJ if he isnt going to help on Blake but if he’s our best big defender don’t we want him on Blake anyway? Id start him and andris over lee. bring lee off the bench for scoring
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
no offense
none taken. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ok
But I’m pretty sure we should be getting alot of offense from our top three. Lee hasn’t found a way to produce like he used to in our system. I’m actually fine with the idea of us getting no offense from out big fellas. We need to defend. We haven’t been a defensive team since before run TMC
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree I was going to post the same thing
Udoh showed that he was better than Biedrins last year at center. If I were the Warriors organization I would have Biedrins be the third string and have him earn his minutes.
I really think this team could use a good SF/PF who can shoot some to come off the bench and take over for Lee and D. Wright depending on the situation. That would negate the need to bring Amundson in for Lee, or Udoh in for Lee.
Btw I know we have a thin bench when someone can be accurate when they say
The only reason Udoh basically can’t start is because he will be needed to come in for Lee and provide some offense…
by brutusbrutus on Dec 14, 2011 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
Rec!
Why does no one see that Udoh is certainly the best of these options. You think Beans can cover Griffin? Get outta town!
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
Udoh is certainly the best of these options
Udoh might be the best of the options, but you use the word ‘certainly’ rather freely. Udoh was a defensively able guy who showed nothing on offense (either in volume or efficiency) and is a zero in rebounding. It is not certain than he’ll continue to be better than two guys who have shown competence rebounding and one of whom who, in the past was efficient on offense while having an average scoring volume for a center.
Starting Kwame may undo all the “confidence” training Biedrins worked on all summer long!
by JustSomeName on Dec 13, 2011 8:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
if beans can't handle management not trusting him
Over kwami, then he doesn’t deserve to be on this team. I am supporting the more to sign kwami for 7 mil, bit beans has been a failure for the past 2 years. He HAS to pick his game up! Her should be thankful he’s not in the dleague.
who cares about Biedrins confidence at this point. Either he has it or he doesn't
I frankly do not buy this whole “confidence” stuff about Biedrins, I simply think he got banged up from multiple full seasons and lost motivation, not caring and being banged up is different from lacking confidence.
I think the whole confidence argument is thrown around because the Warriors want to make it seem like Biedrins can easily get his groove back. In reality I don’t think the passion for basketball is there for him.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 14, 2011 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
Are we still in the mix for DeAndre Jordan??
Or did the Clippers matched our offer and we haven’t responded yet??
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Clippers matched the offer, and we can’t “respond” because that’s not how restricted free agency works.
wait actually can we bid a bit higher??
Or does once they bid higher we can’t do anything.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Restricted free agency works like this, any team can send in one, and only one bid and the other team has the chance to either match or let the player walk. Clippers offered 8mil a year for 4 years, us offering 43mil over 4 years, forcing them to spend more money than they wanted
by JustSomeName on Dec 13, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for clearing the confusion guys
I always thought Restricted Free Agents were like a bid..and i thought we could bid as many times until the RFA team gives up or match it.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Andris Biedrins will crush his competition!
Seriously though, I think andris needs to compete with some pride
by Xtremelink on Dec 13, 2011 8:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I have a plan
Let’s start the one that’s not overpaid, underperforming, and has a long history of never living up to contract/expectations!
What could go wrong?
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I honestly don't think either fits that description
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
That’s the point im not good with Internet sarcasm yet
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What could go wrong?
we’d be playin with 4 players, that’s what.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Let's start
That new rad-man looking guy in the pivot! He hasn’t dissapointed anyone yet!
What could go wrong?
by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He hasn’t dissapointed anyone yet!
give him some time
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Sooo
can we trade him at the deadline as an expiring? If so i actually would be pretty happy with the signing
beans
will start.
there’s something intriguing about his size and play since he came back
don’t get me wrong, this is by and large his last chance. any hint of his past form and i’ve completely given up
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Hope springs eternal for me
I think Beans will start and if he gets us 8 pts. and 9 boards and Kwame gets us 6 and 7 then we’d have some solid production out of the center spot.
Sigh
I seriously cannot believe that their is a debate on this… or that either man could win the starting job. When you can legitimately ask “Should Kwame Brown or Andris Biedrins be my team’s starting center?” you know you are in deep trouble.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
There is no debate lol. For the reasons you stated – nobody really cares because they both stink. It’s just Atma relishing the opportunity to take another shot at Beans.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Kwame Should Start
Based on last year production, Brown should start. Nevertheless, I think we should have spent that money on Samuel Dalembert. I am also hearing the Warriors are attempting to sign Shawn Williams. I think if the cap permits, go hard after Andrei Kirilenko. His size and defensive skills would help. I think we also need a backup PG like Antonio Daniels or Marcus Banks. I personally don’t think the current roster can compete for the 8th position.
Waaaarriors
by puffylove on Dec 13, 2011 9:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
S. Williams & AK47
I like both of these guys and see them fitting well……
Mr. Ellison.....Hurry up and buy!
by Austin Lacsina on Dec 13, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Biedrins should start.
He looks pretty darn good from what ive seen in the offseason so far, he seems to have regained that energy and confidence we loved and hes bulked up. If he reverts back to the way he was the past two seasons then start kwame or even udoh if needed.
by bballinpacisler on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 PM PST reply actions
Early poll results are in
Our new front office is at LEAST as bad as the old one…bring Mully back
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 13, 2011 9:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
they have been pretty severely out-maneuvered this offseason
maybe we have a decent long-term strategy, but the implementation sucks so far
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
starting biedrens
provides the possibility he’ll find a way to get hurt in the first five minutes and be out half the season with another groin injury.
Here are the 5-man RAPM ratings for last year...
PG SG SF PF C RAPM #POSS
CurryStephen EllisMonta WrightDorell LeeDavid UdohEkpe 4.8 1430
CurryStephen EllisMonta WrightDorell LeeDavid AmundsonLouis -1.4 519
CurryStephen EllisMonta WrightDorell LeeDavid BiedrinsAndris -3.5 2761
- = 53 wins over a full season
- = 37 wins
- = 32 wins
Personally, I’d go with the one that wins more, but that’s just me.
so is Epke Udohs new nick name gonna be "big splash"?
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 14, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
hey!
That’s for Kwame!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I bet our teams with the different centers goes like this
Udoh and co. 43 wins..
Amundson and co. 35 wins.
Beans and co. 39 wins. (maybe 45 if he gets it back)
Big Splash and co. 41 wins. (if he is starting to break out and ressurrects
his career here then 46 wins)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 14, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
oh.. forgot Tyler .. that was unfair...
Tyler and co. 59 wins (struggle in the beggining but homer just prevails all over the place! if not, 30 wins + FAT DRAFT PICK)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 14, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
i really think kris humphries would be a great addition to the warriors, use him as a 6th man.
by sports with steve on Dec 14, 2011 10:59 AM PST reply actions
at this point, we’re in need of a backup swing more than another backup big, although i’d love his game and would be an awesome backup for this team. stays quiet, plays hard
by JustSomeName on Dec 14, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
What A Choice
This kind of choice could only happen with a bottom feeder, like the Warriors, Biedrins or Brown, reminds me of the choice between Obama and McCain. There is no good choice, only the lesser of two evils.
Than goodness you have Gingrinch to vote for this time around. I’m happy for you.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
...
I’m just on the not Biedrins band wagon. He’s got a lot of work to do to get back in the good graces of the fans and changing his stigma of being one of the softest seven footer in the NBA in a time where there has never been softer seven footers with the way the game is played now. I’d like to see Udoh starting personally.
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