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RUMOR: Chris Paul to Golden State Warriors, Monta Ellis + Andris Biedrins + Klay Thompson to New Orleans Hornets

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Prototypical Chris Paul drive and prototypical Monta Ellis defense.

Jump for yet another deal that you know the Warriors won't be able to pull off!

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Peter Vecsey knows rumors [Celtics, Warriors may solve CP3 mystery- NYPost]:

Paul has not reversed field regarding wanting out of New Orleans. Initially blessed with overriding leverage and exhilarating options, CP$'s, relocation program has narrowed to the Celtics (Rajon Rondo continues to be available) and the Warriors (NOLA wants Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and rookie Klay Thompson).

(Thanks to amerikmasters for the FanPost.)

Let's pretend for a second that the Warriors can pull off this trade. Okay, pretend for a minute.

This would be incredible. Not only do the Warriors get one of the NBA's few true superstars, but they get to dump their Monta Ellis/ Andris Biedrins problem tandem onto another Western Conference team.

Two undersized players who can't guard a single starter in this league at their respective positions (shooting guard and center)? The Hornets problem.

A 24ppg scorer whose team plays better when he's off the court? The Hornets problem.

A big man who has zero post moves and no range outside of 3 inches from the bucket? The Hornets problem.

$20 million for "franchise cornerstones" that Chris Mullin, Robert Rowell, and Chris Cohan actually thought it was a great idea to destroy WE BELIEVE and build around? The Hornets problem.

I hope I'm wrong when I say this. Oh man I hope I'm wrong, but here's the reality of the situation: Chris Paul is not coming to the Warriors. CP3 does not want to come to the Warriors and they're not capable of pulling this off.

Hopefully I'm completely wrong though.

If the Warriors have any semblance of a shot, even if Paul is just a 1 year rental, they have to pull the trigger. I'd rather make the playoffs this season and have a fun little run, then waste this year and the next few foolishly waiting on Monta, Biedrins to take this team to 8th place- something they've proved time and time again that they are not capable of.

Who knows? Maybe Warriors fans can convince CP3 to stay here with Stephen Curry too.

Don't forget to check out the fabulous New Orleans Hornets blog At The Hive!

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Should the Warriors trade Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, and Klay Thompson to the Hornets for Chris Paul?
YES! CP3 to the Bay only if he signs an extension
1154 votes
YES! CP3 to the Bay even if he does't sign an extension
727 votes
NO. Monta, Biedrins, and Thompson are too much to give up
983 votes

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could they replace biedrins with kwame?

they could replace the whole team with CP3

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well

If nothing else it creates a lot of cap space for next year because I wouldn’t think Paul takes his option for a second season.

by jpgarfunkle on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

Do we bench curry? Do we trade him for Dwight? CP3 is a boss hog but what do we do from there. The roster is still incomplete

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

we could always play curry at the 2 for a season

Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man

Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half

by operation carrot on Dec 13, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

And

Have Chris defend 2s? Im not unhappy with this. Curry’s shooting and Pauls playmaking would be deaf. I’m not sure if that’s a super feasible backcourt though.

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

the offensive possibilities with curry and wright being able to shout from the outside would be nice

not sure how the defense would play out

Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man

Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half

by operation carrot on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I know that the defense would be a bad thing, but I’d be surprised if that wasn’t the number 1 offense in the league.

I heard he doesn't like music.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Does it matter? Our backcourt isn’t stopping anyone right now anyway. Paul defending 1s and Curry getting burned by 2s is still better than Curry getting burned by 1s and Monta getting burned by 2s.

by Maxwell87 on Dec 13, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

You’re right that it’s a slight improvement, but what moves do we make to convince Paul to stay?

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 9:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We have no moves. What we would have is about 30 mil in freed cap space next year, and the hopes that Tyler is the next Dwight cause I think the center pool of free agents next year is slim. Might have a chance for Hibbert if the Pacers aren’t as high on him as some members of GSoM seem to think.
Let’s face it, we’re not gonna attract big talent here, but with 30 mil, Curry, and a bit of luck we could put a team that’s decent enough to get to the playoffs. Somewhere down the round once we build up some respectability we might be able attract the all-stars, but right now I think this is the most realistic outcome (if you call us landing CP3 realistic.

by Maxwell87 on Dec 13, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You right

Were not going to be pulling big names with cap space. No chance. We have a better shot in the draft.

Curry’s contract is up after next season? Why would he resign?

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, if the CP3 trade happens and we have the 30 mil we would basically have the one year to convince him that we could get pieces around him to make the team a contender. But chances are with him being a RFA we’re going to have to overpay to get him to stay since we’re gonna have to match whatever another team believes he is worth, and the bidding starts at 5 mil.

by Maxwell87 on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd assume

That CP3 is actually worth more than however much we could pay him under the rules. But if he picks up his option for next season I understand that he is an actual free
Agent and not an RFA

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Curry's a RFA after the rookie deal

Even if he doesn’t want to resign the Warriors have the power to match any offer he accepts from any other team.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

See

I thought we were talking about Chris Paul. That makes sense

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This would be the best trade

lee could actually become valuable playing next to paul

Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man

Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half

by operation carrot on Dec 13, 2011 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

argh

not this again. I think CP3 would enjoy it here though, especially since he is ‘friends’ with Curry. Idk if replacing Biedrins with Kwame is the best idea, though. Even with CP3, we’ll sitll have problems with interior defense. I don’t want another rumor to get shot down, but CP3 coming here would increase interest in free agents in the future.

by jpees on Dec 13, 2011 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

Please no more CP3 rumors

By all accounts, the NBA is asking for a king’s ransom in return for Chris Paul. I really don’t want to talk about this. I’m tired of the rumors, and frustrated at how the NBA is killing the Hornets franchise.

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by doubleteapot on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

i agree

it’s really not fair. I wouldn’t have liked it, but the original trade to LAL wasn’t terrible at all, the NBA owning the Hornets is just horrible

by jpees on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Big baby Jesus? LOL

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Dec 14, 2011 2:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Big Baby Jesus

Is one of Ol’ Dirty Bastards’ nicknames.

by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

It’s actually really fun to live in LA these days. The local sports talk radio never fails to cheer me up.

by Killjoy on Dec 14, 2011 6:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Why would I do that?

On Monday I was treated to Max Kellerman ranting for a half hour about how unfair it was to the Lakers that Stern spiked the deal. At the same time, he was bagging on small market owners, telling them to suck it up because “life isn’t fair.” Good times.

by Killjoy on Dec 14, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

But that's the crazy part...

…he actually saved the Lakers from themselves!

by Bigmouth on Dec 14, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno about that

You think Dwight would be talking about the Nets if he had a shot to play with Kobe and CP3 in LA?

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it would have taken more than Bynum to get him...

…but will admit that Dwight’s coming to LA would have changed the equation.

by Bigmouth on Dec 14, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

this is the last year of Dwight's contract

Lakers are just savvy enough to know how to leverage the free agent market, rather than attempt a sign and trade

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points

I hope teams would have realized they were over a barrel after losing Pau and Lamar, but history certainly bears out your concern.

by Bigmouth on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't have cap room to sign him.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

Even if they don’t pick up Bynum’s option and for some reason Metta World Peace opts out (he won’t) they are Kobe (27.8), Pau (19), Walton (6), Blake (4) committed. Aka 56.8 committed.

by tafkasam on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

oooh, good catch

so, Pau would have to go?
would amnestying Walton do anything significant?

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

would amnestying Walton do anything significant?

No.

MWP won’t opt out either, so add 7 mil to that. They are over cap.

They will need a sign and trade. Odom’s trade exemption might help.

by tafkasam on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

it wasn't great though

especially for a franchise with new ownership on the horizon, even a potential move. The Lakers/Rockets deal burdened NOLA with a ton of long term salary. There are better deals out there.

by eastbayglory on Dec 13, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

like Monta & Beans...

I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

well i would be for this if we didnt lose paul and we could possibly sign and trade howard for curry.

but if we do lose paul, like j has said, no matter how much cap space, im not sure any FA would want to play for a team that just lost a star player in cp3 and only has curry as the reigning player.

as for the trade itself, i doubt it will happen, and since its monta for cp3 essentially, im not so sure we will do any good. Unless we sign a big SF we are going to get beat on the defensive end.

tbh, i like our core as of now. we should be building upon it, only later trading monta for a better player. i think howard has a chance to play with curry and i think he’ll enjoy it as a matter of fact.

curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.

by bimmercirem3 on Dec 13, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Having Curry next year

even if CP3 comes and goes, would be attractive LOTS of free agents. And if the Warriors lose CP3 after a year, they’d have some decent cap space to work with next, which could come in handy during next year’s (potential) D. Howard Sweepstakes.

by Tremendous Hops on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

So even if Paul left, we’d have a ton of cap space…not sure how you wouldn’t be behind this.

Just to play devil’s advocate for a minute…I would have been all for this trade a month ago, for this very reason. Imagine having the cap space to go after Dwight Howard or whatever big name free agents are out there! Sounds great, right?

But what we just learned over the past week is that we have issues attracting the top talent here. If Paul leaves, and we don’t have Ellis anymore (apparently one of Dwight’s favs), and it’s just Curry, Lee, and Udoh, we might look even less attractive to free agents.

Ok, so now you’re saying, well, we still have all that cap room. We should just tank and be patient, right? Nope. The new CBA says that next season the salary floor rises to 90% of the cap! If you think the Kwame signing was bad, wait until you see who Riley is forced to sign with that constraint. If we can’t get a top free agent, we might have to get more Kwame-esque type players.

As tempting as it is to do this trade, I might not do it unless I knew one of the following is true: 1) Paul will stay for at least 2 seasons; and 2) there actually is a “star” free agent out there that wants to come here.

by Evanz on Dec 14, 2011 3:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

i'd do it

and then ship paul to the clippers at the deadline for their package

by bigkino217 on Dec 14, 2011 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Concept Feltbot's pushing:

make this deal, then flip Paul to Lakers for Gasol. Good?

by geraldmcgrew on Dec 13, 2011 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

Trade him to the Clippers

Eric Gordon and Minnesota’s first round pick thumbs up

by jRocco on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I like that

I like that a lot actually

RIP Al Davis

by dubzfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

No I want that pick

Give me Gilchrist!

RIP Al Davis

by dubzfan on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Chris Kaman sucks at basketball.

I heard he doesn't like music.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s true. A little bit confused why we got Trevor Ariza.

I heard he doesn't like music.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

me too.

i always like eric gordon. and i really think both curry and gordon will be truly deadly and im oggling at the idea of them two. and we get a first round pick YES.

but i doubt clipps will do that though. They could of have cp3 if they wanted for eg, but they didnt.

curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.

by bimmercirem3 on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

NO

Gasol is a win now guy. He is old an can’t handle his breakup.

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

The deals out there for Paul are crazy. We have Steph. Flip Paul for one of these crazy deals and get a more complimentary superstar.

by friscohoya on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear even average and bad players give good compliments, too. Maybe could have complimentary bench warmers and an insulting star.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Dec 14, 2011 2:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Aaa, the Jay ghost lives

by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to admit, it makes for fun wordplay.

I'm the soul brotha' like no other!

by Naticus on Dec 14, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

this is a dream trade..

problem is…The Clips’ 2012 Minny pick is better than this entire package combined…sucks that Peter Vescey is the guy reporting this…the guys is never right.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 13, 2011 9:08 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

When kwame brown gets 7 mil a year, I suppose anything is possible

by realist_ on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

if cp3 comes

then we should put together a package around steph curry for dwight. that way BOTH will sing the extension. but this will prob never happen…. :(

by gswarriors12 on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

could happen, but doubt it.

we probably would be the 2nd best package, but would be a very enticing package. Howard would want to play with cp3 but tbh, i would try and package cp3 for howard because i have a feeling howard will love playing with curry more because of his shooting ability and his passing. really lets howard have some room to work with.

curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.

by bimmercirem3 on Dec 13, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

ya but

curry + howard isnt as attractive sounding for FA’s as cp3 + howard. i really would like to see curry and dwight together too, but I don’t even know if Howard would sign the extension w/o cp3.

by gswarriors12 on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

No chance in hell this deal goes down for Ellis Biedrins...

Stern already blocked a similar deal with the hornets getting a great scorer (kevin martin) and a big man (luis scola)

by ap3604 on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to ditch Biedrins but

what if it takes the same deal, only with Udoh instead, to make it happen?

by geraldmcgrew on Dec 13, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

then you pull the trigger

don’t think for a moment

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

with either Biedrins or Udoh in the deal.

by geraldmcgrew on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

if...

… it was steph instead of monta, I say do it

Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".

by Baygiant11 on Dec 13, 2011 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

Wut

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get it, when they aren't being traded everyone is talking them up (Monta + Beans)

When they are getting traded it’s “good riddance to the problems”

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by Newton Pham on Dec 13, 2011 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

Different people talking? There’s a division in philosophy here, and a lot of that stems from a difference in opinion concerning our roster’s talent.

Me personally, I’ve wanted to ship Monta out for a long time. I like his skill, but I don’t like the way he plays. I didn’t sour completely on Biedrins until last season.

Maybe your mistaking “DJ is like Biedrins” with us talking him up. That’s not the case. It’s more of a critique on DJ.

And if you spend lots of time here, you’ll notice that some posters repeat their propaganda 10,000 times, as if they could make it true just by saying it enough. That’s a small slice of the membership, though often times it’s the loudest.

God bless ‘em, they’re just passionate for our lousy team. As a Clippers fan, I’m sure you’ve encountered plenty of the same.

by Uwe Blog on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

why dont we just trade curry/klay/beans/udoh

for howard? much better in the long run if you ask me. we can really attract FA if that happens.

curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.

by bimmercirem3 on Dec 13, 2011 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

Howard probably won't want to stay here after this season, though.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

the thing about this is

curry + howard would be better than monta + howard, but dwight listed monta as one of the top 6 people he wants to play with, not curry.

by gswarriors12 on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya but

he would probably like Monta as the 3rd or 4th option on a championship contending team. A squad of Howard and Monta and a bunch of scrubs is no better (and probably even worse) than what he has right now in Orlando.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Who knows, he could change his mind after playing with Curry.

I heard he doesn't like music.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

does anyone else believe that steph

playing alongside paul would be detrimental to his growth as a PG?….

and after paul leaves… well that would suck

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Dec 13, 2011 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

i think it would be a good thing to be able to practice and play with the guy all season

it’d also force him to be a better cutter, and off-ball scorer. i don’t think it would hurt him. he could see how to run a team from that position, learning from one of the best.

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by Brownie13 on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, I’d love this trade rumor so much more if we’d been able to sign Tyson Chandler…

CP3
Curry
Dorell
Lee / Udoh
Chandler

Plus a couple of very well chosen perimeter defenders = an outside shot at a championship. Alas, with Kwame and Udoh at the pivot, that goes from “outside shot” to “total pipe dream.”

Still, I’d do it in a heartbeat, for all the reasons AB1 mentions. As far as any potential conflict at PG between Steph and CP3: as I noted before when fantasizing about this trade, if we played CP3 for 32 minutes a game (to keep his knees fresh) and Curry 36, they’d only have to be on the court together for 20 minutes a game.

Steph + CP3 = 20 minutes
Steph + full-sized wing = 16 minutes
CP3 + full-sized wing = 12 minutes

For those who think Monta is a better two guard than Curry would be … why? Curry’s the same size (maybe even a bit buffer after this summer), a much better shooter, more efficient scorer, better passer, and better rebounder. He might be a bit more inept than Monta at guarding opposing SGs, but it’s impossible to be that much more inept. For 18 minutes a game, I think I could live with the having possibly the best shooter in the NBA at shooting guard.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 13, 2011 9:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

So

Is this lineup enough to keep cp3 happy?

by RACE!! on Dec 13, 2011 10:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No, but it wipes Monta/Biedrins off the books, so it’s enough to keep me happy.

by Uwe Blog on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Monta does a much better job at defending physical 1s and 2s (I realize that’s not saying much). One of the reasons Steph lost minutes last year was foul trouble. It seemed to me when Monta then picked up the opposing pg, he did a better job. I think Curry would be completely manhandled by big 2s.

I like Steph’s offensive game better at either spot, but because of his D, I believe he can play only point.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I say do it

But I’d concerned about depth at the guard position. Who would go in for Curry or Paul?

Still, even for one year, I think you have to take the chance if it comes up….PROVIDED you can get some other help. Kwame under the basket is not optimal. Tyler could be something but we really have idea at this point, it wouldn’t be reasonable to expect much so soon AND we’re not even sure if he can play the 5. Amundson can come in, but last year wasn’t exceptional for him. Biedrins, at this point, is our best hope at center. Without him, we’re kinda up a creek.

Monta. I know some of you hate Monta but I think the guy is pretty damn good. Plus, I just like his game. I’d hate to give up Klay because I think he’s got a lot of future value – according to coach he can come in play day one. Give them up only if you’re going to get a CP3 type of player out of it, but then the Dubs would also need to get some additional guards to spell Curry and Paul.

If we can do that and earn success, I think the Dubs would have a dececent chance to keep CP3 after his contract ran out. Especially if next year we might be in a position to get D. Howard as well. I’m pretty sure Howard would be ok playing with CP3.

by Tremendous Hops on Dec 13, 2011 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

I want to state for the record...

…that I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell CP3 comes to GSW.

by Tremendous Hops on Dec 13, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

This trade would be awesome

We would have soooo much cap space next season, we could sign and trade Curry + filler for Howard….or just strait up sign Howard to come play with CP3/Wright/Lee.

We could easily find a 2 guard that can shoot the 3 and defend.

Ugh…too bad this will NEVER happen.

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2011 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

Ugh…too bad this will NEVER happen?

who knows? it would be Lacob’s chance to show everyone that he’s better for the team than Ellison woulda been?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

this rumor is sooo fake

no way NOH would want this.

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

no way NOH would want this.

then pulling it off would show that the Lacob/West show is legit :>)

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, I’m a little late with this, but…

SKEP SIGHTING!!!

Welcome back, man.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 14, 2011 4:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Welcome back, man.

Thanks, Looks like things are starting to happen in Warrior’s world?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I absolutely pull the trigger.

These two weeks are showing even more clearly that we’re not going to bring in a a star through FA. We can’t even get middling players like Nene or Chandler to want to play for us. Even if Chris Paul leaves, this would be an opportunity for Lacob and company to show that they know how to handle and treat a player of Chris Paul’s caliber. We could become relevant, get some of our players playoff experience and have the cap room to sign a few not-quite star players. The key is that we’d still have the player we plan on building around anyway, in Stephen Curry.

We don’t really lose much. As much as I love Monta, Chris Paul, even without the slightest hint of an extension looming, is a great prize. To clear Biedrins’ salary? Another. To have a lot of money to spend regardless of Paul staying in the 2012 off-season? Even better.

There’s also even the small chance that we are able to turn Curry, post-Paul trade, into another star. I’m not sure that would be Dwight Howard, but even if it were some other player, we might have enough to entice Paul to stay, depending on where we finish the season. For the asking price, it really feels like a no-lose situation. At worst, we end up with Curry and a bunch of cap-space.

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by Brownie13 on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

These last two weeks have reinforced for us that the Dubs are going to have to part ways with some valuable pieces to get a trade done. Landing a free agent is probably going to take some combination of Curry and/or Ellis.

by Tremendous Hops on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I'd actually trade either of them for the rental.

I just know that the management wouldn’t.

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by Brownie13 on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Whatever

I think teams should ignore Chris Paul for now, build as good a team as they can that will give the 15M of cap space next season to go after and sign him.

Any team trying to get paul this season will have to decimate their roster in the process.

by joegiant on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 PM PST reply actions  

you're missing the point...

shipping Monta & Beans will clear up ~20M in cap space per year

I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Dec 13, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

This will never happen. They're not that stupid (or at least that's what I'd like to believe)

But any trade scenario that lands Chris Paul and gives up absolutely anyone except for Stephen Curry should be accepted without a moment’s hesitation, even without promise of an extension beyond this summer.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

For players like CP3 or Howard, everyone but Curry should be on the trading block.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Dec 14, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If that trade is on the table, Lacob had better pull the trigger.

by Uwe Blog on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

So unrealistic. I got excited because I thought maybe someone other than Vescey reported it.

If Stern vetoes the Lakers trade, this one looks much worse for the Hornets.

This would be a total win for the Warriors, as we get rid of overpaid decent to terrible players for the third best player in the league. It won’t happen.

WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!

by true torture on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 PM PST reply actions  

There is no way they take Beins and his 27 million remaining when they have Okafor and he has $41 million left in the same three years.

Ellis. Biens, Thompson, Udoh for Paul and Okafor makes more sense financially for the Hornets.

1) they get 4 players that are young, and under team control for some time.
2) Swapping Okafor with AB allows the team to save $14 Million and become 3 years younger.
3) Turn an expiring albeit awesome player into 3, players…one of which is pretty awesome in Ellis and 2 1st round lottery picks in the last 2 season.

The benefit from this as compared to the Clippers deal…

I think Ellis is better than Gordan (if he was even included). and Ellis is guaranteed to be around for 3 more years, I’m under the impression Gordan is available to become a free agent soon.

The top pick from MIN is a nice token, and hard to top for the W’s with no picks available (save 2nd’s)

The $14 million saved in a franchise that is for sale is huge. Having such an enormous contract can be frowned upon.

Klay Thompson is better than Amino
Ekpe Udoh is better than Chris Kamans one season.

So overall, the benefit from the Clippers trade is the 1st from Min while the benfit from the Warriors, fringe All Star, young crop of potential and $14 million saved at the center position.

by A's Nation on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

Who needs Chris Paul when you have Kwame Brown?

by DubsFan408 on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

True that

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If we're not giving up Curry

Sure, I’d make the trade without an extension from Paul.

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by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 PM PST reply actions  

+1

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont know...

I think Klay is gonna be GOOD though.

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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

ya I wanna see him play in a Warriors uni, too

but Chris Paul is a superstar.

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by steffun4tw on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd much rather part with Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis for CP3

But will also support this trade idea

I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

i would do that trade SO QUICK

It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...

by iStoner on Dec 14, 2011 12:21 AM PST reply actions  

Who's gonna have to spike Stern's eggnog to get this done?

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

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by kenntoe on Dec 14, 2011 12:30 AM PST reply actions  

you guys are actually putting any stock in this rumor?

Be better. Did you see what the NBA was asking for from the Clippers? It was a way better package than this. Biedrins and his contract subtract from the value of any trade.

by sjsnider on Dec 14, 2011 12:32 AM PST reply actions  

100% True...except

If Stern’s rationale is to punish players for thinking they can force a trade whereever they want, then forcing paul to Golden State would send a great message to the rest of the league!

by joegiant on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

just to keep blind hope that we somehow get CP3

I would ignore the fact that you basically just implied that sending a star player to GS is punishment.

by lightz0ut on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wish this were a real offer. We’d be fools not to take it.

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by Naticus on Dec 14, 2011 2:30 AM PST reply actions  

Take this trade even if he doesn’t sign an extension cause with his knees, maybe getting all that cap space would be better. Then we could either trade Curry and others for Howard or sign Howard next year. Paul should probably take his option, so it guarantees that he will be here for 2 years, which would give us a better chance at signing/extending Howard. Sadly though, this is entirely hypothetical and probably not gonna happen. Stern will probably want Curry + Monta + Klay.

by Wolvkil23 on Dec 14, 2011 2:44 AM PST reply actions  

I’m a big time Monta homer and even I say do this without looking back.

This team needs to be blown up We need to stop putting Band-Aids on it just to make a run for the 8th seed.

Now if we can get some picks we can truly start fresh.

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by qin on Dec 14, 2011 6:41 AM PST reply actions  

Can't get starstruck about this

It’s bold, like mgmt promised but Paul doesn’t fit the chemistry, he represents a new core to rebuild around. Curry doesn’t compliment Paul or vice versa. They need a taller 2 for Jackson’s defensive plan. So then what do we do – trade Curry for a center good enough for Paul to gain enough confidence in our future to resign? Not good business to be starstruck.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 14, 2011 6:54 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

Doesn’t make sense to move CP3 when we already have our PG of the future in Curry. Move Ellis for Rudy or best 2/3/4 available. Klay will be our future stud at the 2. Even if we trade 1 for two. Curry, Klay, Dorell, Lee, Kwame is a decent defensive starting line up. Jenkins gets the back up PG minutes, 2/3, Udoh, Admundson at the 4/5. Just need additional glue pieces with a Monta/Biedrins trade.

by Charles W on Dec 14, 2011 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Your proposed direction also makes financial sense.

Why use up all that cap money now paying CP3 when we haven’t got a center of the future? Get him first and let Curry earn his raise when the minimum cap kicks in. We really don’t look like a contender until our big man problem is solved. Why would these “championship hungry” FAs want to come here unless we look like a contender? Get CP3 and we’d look like another Hornets.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 14, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Not good business to be starstruck.

but it’s good basketball strategy. How many winners have no superstars?

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Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

What makes you think that by getting CP3, we'd be any better than the Hornets are now?

It’s better business to develop superstars than buy them. who knows how good Curry and Klay will be with Jackson coaching them?

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 14, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

What makes you think that by getting CP3, we'd be any better than the Hornets are now?

You do know that the hornets were 46-36 while we were 36-46?
and that the winner is the one that actually wins more games??

You got a lot of faith in the chances of an untried coach making two young players, one pretty good and the other untested into the equal of frickin Chris Paul :>)

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody's going to be satisfied with 46-36 for "bold moves".

Besides, if Jackson’s coaching staff can’t develop potential, CP3 would have left here after one year, anyway. In this league, thanx to the CBA, you don’t buy players anymore, you lease them.

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 15, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

anyone who is opposed to trading monta+pieces for CP3

We all know that Monta getting traded is pretty much inevitable, so why are you opposed to getting back a superstar guard in return? I can guarantee that there may be better fits out there in terms of what we get back in a trade, but in terms of talent returned, CP3 is going to be as good as it gets, BY FAR

by JustSomeName on Dec 14, 2011 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

Can't disagree with anything you said but there's a cap.

We’re guard rich and we need to be able to afford a center-of-the-future. If there was a CP3 3-team deal, where we got a center like that for Monta and Biedrins, that would be as good as it gets. Then, while Curry develops into the next Steve Nash, we might even attract and afford some other good role players. Hello playoffs!

by DeathValleyCarl on Dec 14, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry won’t be Steve Nash. Steve Nash is a really great shooter, whose true value is in his passing. Curry is a really great shooter, who is also a pretty okay passer.

I heard he doesn't like music.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a theory. We trade for Paul so we can move him at the headline to NYK or LA

Say what you want, but, our unwillingness to move Curry means 1 things

-Either we move Paul or we move Curry for a 2nd star.

Paul might not re-sign but maybe we can get
-Bynum + picks?
-Amare + fields

I’m not in loe with either, but when you consider in both cases we’re essentially trading Monta for a big man who is under contract for foreseeable future.

If we go get Curry with perimeter shooters + Lee/Amare might as well hire D’antoni

by tafkasam on Dec 14, 2011 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

What package?

They aren’t including 1st or Gordon, as of yet. They might not even include bledsoe

Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman’s expiring? No

by tafkasam on Dec 14, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

they were willing to include the 1st

they gave up because the nba wanted gordon too

by bigkino217 on Dec 14, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Give us the guy who doesn't want to play for our team!

because we are Warriors fans and have low self esteem.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Dec 14, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

News Flash Folks........The CP3 to the Clips just went through...

They gave up more than I would have but ya gotta love that Paul to Griffen combo. If both sign extension with the Clips later on then the Clips will be a force for a long while…sighhhhhh.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 14, 2011 5:38 PM PST reply actions  

ok warriors , lets get some big defensive people to keep upwith the clippers!

if this trde goes through which i think it will, the clips have a very good team and there still under the cap by 14million~~warriors sign kris humphries, and whoever you can get

by sports with steve on Dec 14, 2011 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

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