Golden State of Mind Rumor Central (Part IV): Golden State Warriors Sign Dominic McGuire, Jeff Adrien Signs 2-yr Deal with Houston; Chris Paul Traded to LAC!!!
by Evanz on Dec 15, 2011 11:03 AM PST
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Warriors sign small forward Dominic McGuire. Played in Charlotte last year.
Matt Steinmetz via Twitter. Story here.
Older News:
So we're like a farm system for Daryl Morey apparently.
Houston Rockets sign forward Jeff Adrien to 2year deal, source tells Y! Sports.
via @SpearsNBAYahoo
According to ESPN Marc Stein:
ESPN sources: Clippers and NBA-owned Hornets have agreed to Chris Paul deal in principle. Gordon, Kaman, Aminu and Minnesota pick to Hornets
via @ESPNSteinLine
The New Jersey Nets have entered into serious talks with the Orlando Magic on a multiteam trade scenario that would that bring Dwight Howard to the Nets, according to sources close to the process.
Sources told ESPN.com that the most active proposal discussed by the teams would send Portland Trail Blazers swingman Gerald Wallace to the Magic along with Nets center Brook Lopez as two of the main pieces Orlando would receive in exchange for Howard.
Other players would have to be added to the deal to make the salary-cap math work, but sources said Portland would receive multiple first-round picks as part of the exchange for surrendering Wallace and facilitating the trade.
Here's my question. Look at the bolded part. Portland would end up with multiple first-round picks for sending Wallace and making all the salary cap math work out. What if the Warriors could get in on that by sending a package? In all likelihood, once Orlando loses Dwight, those picks are going to look quite nice, especially this season. Just a thought...
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that's a great idea
but what Gerald Wallace-like asset do we have?
Good idea
but unfortunately we don’t have a Gerald Wallace type player
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Monta?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Multiple first round picks for Gerald Wallace?
Wow. I guess they’ll be better than us for another decade…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think we will swap in
But it would amazing if we do.
by Steve B on Dec 14, 2011 7:56 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Wow, that would be an incredible trade for the Hornets
to get Wallace’s defense at a very reasonable price (2yrs/20) and Brook Lopez’s offensive skill and youth at 2yrs/8 mill, it will have been well worth the wait.
Wallace, Lopez and picks would be New Orleans’ best offer so far for Paul.
ok, I'm confused, we're talking about Dwight Howard here
well, I’m not sure if I’d do that if I’m Orlando. If Dwight’s walking at year’s end, then maybe. Otherwise no thanks.
by eastbayglory on Dec 14, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Here is my "Wet Dream"
A three team trade between the Hornets, Magic and Warriors with the following results:
Warriors get Paul and Howard.
Hornets get Ellis, Beidrins, Thompson
Magis get Curry, Brown, and Udoh
I guess that's why you call yourself the "rainman"
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Half of this dream is already rumored.
The other half is a better take for the Magic then they get in the above Nets/Trailblazers trade.
by giantsrainman on Dec 14, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Cause if they dont re sign we have no team
Literally lol
by Steve B on Dec 14, 2011 8:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cause if they dont re sign we have no team
Wait a sec… you were LOLing at the idea of the Warriors getting two of the five best players in the NBA — not because you thought it was an unlikely scenario, but because you had concerns about breaking up our roster?
LOL.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I thought this restriction was lifted in the new CBA.
If not the Almendson as this is just salary filler not an inportant talent.
by giantsrainman on Dec 14, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Al Mendson will be the biggest start since Donald Foil
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
same dream for me
even if we took out the hornets, i NEED dwight in gold and blue!
by gswarriors12 on Dec 14, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Otis Smith is an idiot.
that’s a horrible return for Howard.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 8:25 AM PST reply actions
David Stern would not allow that trade
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
David Stern doesn't care about that
(he’s kind of like the Chuck Norris of sports commissioners)
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
wrong
Stern is killing the trades because he’s an asshole
if anything, his meddling has reduced what the Hornets can reasonably expect to bring back in exchange for CP3
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
oops
guess I was wrong
this trade is MUCH better…I thought the Clips were not willing to let go of Gordon and their pick
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
They got a better deal with Clippers.
Gordon is a legit 2 way SG, Kaman – legit center with post game. Aminu is a promising young SF with huge upside and they also got unprotected Minnesota(!!) draft pick in a stacked 2012 pool.
Basically Hornets have retooled in 1 trade and now looking a lot more appealing to a potential buyer. Warriors can only dream of this kind of management.
Also
a lot cheaper.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
You mean that he’s totally played out?
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
What does he want to do with Wallace and Brook?
Just dump Howard + Hedo for as many rookie deals/picks as you can get.
'Some'
Dwight’s the best big man in NBA and a franchise player.
He’s better off taking an expiring or a mediocre player owed 2 years + long term prospects than Gerald Wallace. Just like the Paul trade, in my opinion.
kind of like this-
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2011/12/12/2629907/golden-state-of-mind-rumor-central-part-3-warriors-await-clippers#85582024
Guys, I figured it all out. No worries
Come the deadline we’ll be involved in a 4 team trade-
1. Biedrins will find form (maybe not 07-08 but certainly not 10/11)…
2. Biedrins to Minnesota for Beasley, Pekovic (Williams has passed up Beasley, Minnesota needs a center)
3. Monta + Perkovic to Atlanta for Hinrich + ZaZa + league minimum type of guy + and a pick
4. Orlando- Hinrich (expiring), KwamE (expiring), Tyler, Pick, Udoh, Beasley, Lou, league minimum filler.
Lots of youth. Lots of cap relief.
5. Warriors take- Howard, Hedo, Zaza
Lacob decides to help buy out JR Smith from China- http://shanghaiist.com/2011/12/08/nba_players_still_trying_to_get_out.php
Play off push
Curry, Smith, Dorell, Lee, Dwight
Bench- Jenkins, Klay, Hedo, Zaza
Before you all criticize me, I’m trying like the dickens here
I think it makes no sense to deal him for anything less. Might as well let him walk and horrible tank a la cleveland.
lol
i like how you’re calling someone an idiot because there is a RUMORED trade that is stupid.
"Can we take advantage"?
No.
Next question please.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
by qin on Dec 14, 2011 8:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Unless Paul or Howard are willing to sign with us long term it’s not worth it…..your looking at years of rebuilding if you trade away all your assests for a one year rental…
It looks like Nene got 67 million for 5 years from Denver, so the asking price as about 13 mil a year for his services…
We’ve been rebuilding for 2 decades anyway
by RACE!! on Dec 14, 2011 10:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
not so much a rebuild
as it is changing the tires and brakes on your old Jalopy
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
The ownership does not have the balls to do any thing like this
They are comfortable being in the gray area. Or as Jim Barnett likes to say, “no man’s land.”
@DoctorKajita
They are comfortable being in the gray area. Or as Jim Barnett likes to say, "no man’s land."
I think it’s still too early for any of us to fairly make that kind of a statement about the new owners. Seems like they are at least trying to me.
by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 14, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thing is, Dwight named off 4 teams he'd go to...I think it was Orlando, NJ, Lakers and Maybe Dallas.
I don’t know but all this madness is driving me up the wall!!
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 14, 2011 10:27 AM PST reply actions
Magic are telling teams Howard is no longer available for trade
Looks like they don’t want the drama and feel they have a good shot at resigning him. Dwight never really was firm in his desire to leave, anyway, so I think they have a chance of keeping him.
So the big move of the offseason....drum roll please: Kwame Brown
Be that as it may, I’m really excited to see the season get started. Just ask me again how excited I am come April.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
I'm pretty excited too
Excited to see where Reggie winds up. Hoping he goes to a team with a good defensive coach to help him improve that part of his game.
by ReggieFan2010 on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Oh boy!
I can’t wait to see our big acquisition of the offseason, Kwame Brown, take the court! Will he show that he is useless, or will he show that he is completely useless?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
my money is on adequate
15-20 minutes per game, 6 fouls…I think he’ll be fine
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
my money is on adequate
the second coming of Devean George?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
bar is just a touch higher
maybe along the lines of Gadzuric
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
If he can put Kobe on the floor with a hard foul, he's well worth the signing.
Cmon Kwame, think about that video with Kobe making fun of you……
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM PST reply actions
They really did.
Quite surprised the Clips caved when they had a good shot at him in free agency.
That’s quite a bit to give up (the pick especially).
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Its all about timing..
With Paul on board now they have the best shot at keeping Griffen on board which will then give them a shot at keeping Paul as well plus they have a bit of cap space and a first round pick to fill in a SG…they are looking good….sighhhhh
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 15, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
But the NBA saves its ass, I guess.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
It'll all be forgotten in a year or so.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
why would the clippers cave?
they had all the leverage
Excellent question.
Huge for NO, though. Lots of positive things happening there now. A top 5 (potentially) SG, Aminu, cap space and a high pick in a very strong draft.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hah. Right. It doesn't make sense.
But they /are/ the Clippers.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Source says Clipps will send Gordon, Kaman, Aminu and Minny 1st to New Orleans for Paul and picks.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
That's a damn nice haul by NOH
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
At least he didnt go to the Lakers
oh, how I hate the lakers…
by JustSomeName on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah but
the clippers are in our division
this sucks for us
CP3 (I’m assuming Chauncey too) tossing oops to Blake and Jordan all day
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Wow youre right, they all of a sudden have a lot of PGs, maybe we can trade them amundson for chuancy? he’d be a great veteran for this team and would be a great mentor to both curry and monta
by JustSomeName on Dec 14, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I would definitely at least put that call in
Chauncey was talking all sorts of noise about choosing where he plays though…but yeah, at $2mil per year, I’d take that chance
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Chauncey can’t be traded.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like I didn’t mean to put that comment there.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
This.
The Lakers are already better than us. Now the Clippers will be too, and at least to me, the Kings look way more promising. Depending on Phoenix, we could win 35 games, and still finish last in the Pacific :/
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
we could win 35 games, and still finish last in the Pacific
Maybe the basketball gods will cause a few ACL tears or something. Let us pray.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Stern couldn’t have handled it any worse, but this deal is soooo much better than the one the one he voided.
he couldn't handle it any better
he got the best deal for his team…
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
2 Point Guards?!?!?
So now the Clips have 2 starting PG’s – CP3 and Bledsoe. Are they REALLY going to have Bledsoe come off the bench!?!? And he won’t be po’d bout that?
6th man of the year
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Why didn't they trade Bledsoe instead of Gordon?
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 4:22 PM PST reply actions
One of those players is pretty good and the other is pretty bad.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
let trade Biedrins for Okarfor.
since CP3 has left town. lol
I hope he leaves as a FA after these next two seasons, and goes to an Eastern Conference power
Only then will the great Clippers purge be complete
Can't hate too much on the Clippers other than that clown Sterling (of course)
Their team has been garbage just like ours has for a majority of the last 20 years. Either team doing well is a friggin NBA miracle.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
bledsoe is 2 small to start at the 2
and he’s turnover prone randy foye is waay better than bledsoe. chrismas night is going to be interesting..
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:22 PM PST reply actions
Okafor's an educated dude, he won't come here
he knows he as worth he’’ll go somewhere like the celtics or the bulls. Being drafted by charlotte he probably lives on the east coast
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:24 PM PST reply actions
Don't look now but the Clips could have just suceeded in doing what we've been talking about for two decades.
In the year the Warriors were supposed to steal the thunder (no pun intended), the CLIPPERS have managed to land a difference maker and change their team in the process. And it only took ONE FA period.
NOH doesn’t do badly here either. I think most people call that A DEAL; something we haven’t seen just yet.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions
A lot of getting Chris Paul though,
is due to Blake and being in LA..
Which means for us...
…that a lot of NOT getting Chris Paul means we don’t have anyone he wants to play with, not even a sophomore who hasn’t really won anything but the dunk contest.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
You know what?
I just need to stop reading these trade rumor updates. My cursed love for the Warriors keeps leading me to read this depressing stuff.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
nah, stick with the Dubs
Blake is legit. He needs to develop a bit, but barring some sort of major injury, he will be scary good
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
Chris Paul knows that. That’s why he won’t flat out reject going to the Clippers. I won’t be the least bit surprised if the Clips whoop some ass this year. If not this year, then next.
Taking bets on the Dub win % at the end of this season.
Last year, Dubs showed a 10 game improvement over the previous year to finish at 36-46, or .439. I’ll be happy if we get to .439 again. Anything beyond that will be a pleasant surprise.
Warrior motto: AIM LOW
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not ready yet
I’d like to see our final roster, maybe a preseason game before I go through the trouble of parsing through the schedule game by game
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Our final roster...
…is unlikely to be vastly different than what we have now. We pretty much have who we’re going with this year.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
/cries in corner
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes that is indeed the motto
When they asked for Curry, our ownership didn’t have the balls to make the move that would turn us into a playoff team instantly. When they asked for Gordon, the Clips ownership was willing to pull the trigger. Good for them, and good for Clipper fans.
Another typical AIM LOW offseason. KWAME BROWN MUTHAF——-S!!!!!
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We could have had Paul for a year anyways. We just didn't want to part with our precious never win anything pretty boy Curry.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
That's not Curry's fault, but the Warriors I think overrate their own players.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
true. I am just bitter because we had the chance and blew it.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Only if we gave up Curry. Then we wouldn’t have a team Paul would want to be on. The Clippers have Blake and DJ. I don’t think he had a chance at all.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Only if we gave up Curry. Then we wouldn’t have a team Paul would want to be on. The Clippers have Blake and DJ. I don’t think we had a chance at all.
If our owners can’t come up with a deal that beats playin for that creep Sterling we are in sad shape.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
No owner could save us in such a short time. Now, if Biedrins had kept getting better instead of falling out of the suck tree and hitting every branch on the way down, we would have been fine. Also, if we had traded Monta at his peak, not wasted a 1st round pick and not picked up Lee’s or Maggette’s crap contracts, we’d be worthy fot he name “golden.”
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
either way I would take 1 year of Paul than the 2-3 years of Curry we have now.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 15, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
We can trade Curry for serious value, though, if we want. It’s not like anyone is holding a gun to our head to keep him until his contract expires, and he goes elsewhere.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
that is a good point.
But it is very hard to trade for a superstar, undisputed top 10 NBA talent. It rarely happens.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 15, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
It took the Clips more than one year to gain as many assets as they've had to deal for CP3 in the first place.
Clippers had a ton of assets that the Warriors just can’t match.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
that depth in guards does not bode well for us match up wise
Jenkins couldn’t tie billups shoes and bledsoe’s hurt so we won’t have to worry about him on christmas
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions
OMG
We are going to show off Kwame Brown on Xmas day against…the (possibly) newly acquired Chris Paul.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
The nation is watching...
On one side, CP3’s debut, with Blake Griffin.
On the other side…um, let’s just actually go back to that side and keep talking about CP3 and Blake.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
We have our motivational speaker in Mark Jackson to talk about.
But talent on the court? No….
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Ugh I will be watching that one on mute.
Clippers blah CP3 blah Griffin blah Jordan blah new and improved Donald Strerling blah things coming together blah……………………………………..oh yeah Steph Curry.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 14, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
most matchups don't bode well for us
I think we are looking at our much-requested tank year
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think this might be a good year to start thinking about it a bit earlier than you normally would.
Our division just got beefed up with no major shakeup to our own roster. It’s easier to break us down than to build us up at this point. Sadly.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Could they have possibly replaced Gordon with Jordan?
I know New Orleans would have taken on more salary, but it would have been so much better for the Clippers because they would have been able to keep Gordon and try and maybe get Howard. Now they run the risk of Paul leaving in 2 seasons, which could lead to Griffin leaving when he is free to walk.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Clippers still have holes on thier squad
Remember Kaman Aminu and Gordon are gone who’s their starting 2 randy foye? do they start with paul and chauncey and then bring mo off the bench? they’re othere point guard is willie warren uggh . We at least have full roster. They don’t even have a backup center at this point and our old friend Ike Diogu plays behind Blake. Ryan Gomes is still a bum and Caron Butler well hell be the starting small forward but hes barely 6’7 but still good
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 PM PST reply actions
Diogu lit us up last year
it was embarrassing
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing Chauncey starts at the 2
Still have Eric Bledsoe as the fifth guard.
CP3, billups, mo, foye, bledsoe.
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Looks like we'll be fighting Kings for the worst team in the Pacific
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
watch Portland too
if LMA serisouly has some sort of significant heart issue, they may be extremely bad this year
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
They’re not in the Pacific. We’re probably better than Pheonix though.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 14, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
my bad
confused because we battle for the 8th seed sometimes
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
we don't battle for anything except a draft pick.
And we always lose those battles and pick too high.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
They’ve known about LMA’s heart problem for years. He’s expected to play. lol, not a serious heart condition.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
It's going to be so awesome to be better than them this season!
I mean, yeah, next summer they’ll have a really good first round pick and two other first round picks to our zero picks, but you know, whatever…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 14, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not that sure we'll be better than them.
They have 3 young bigs who are all better defenders and rebounders than our guys. They also have Chuck Hayes. They lack at SF, but they have good young guard depth too.
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i was talking about the kings...
because we certainly aren’t going to be better than the Blazers this season lol
but yea im a little confused looking at it now too
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i figured it wouldn't make sense to say
It’s going to be so awesome to be better than [the Kings] this season!
because we’ve been better haha
I think that’s a fight we’ll have trouble with, seeing as they have a real center and Fredette to help Tyreke out now. (Fredette is probably already a better defender than Monta).
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Looks like we'll be fighting Kings for the worst team in the Pacific?
you are forgetting a little thing called Demarcus Cousins. With a new point guard and Tyreke able to play off the ball the kings are probably gonna be pretty good.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
What new point guard?
I think they just have a bunch of shooting guards, and some of them are shorter than others.
by RACE!! on Dec 14, 2011 10:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What new point guard?
I don’t know, I thought one of those little guys must be the new point? Tyreke isn’t cut out for the job, he’s like trying to play Montay Ellis at point.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Kings on paper have more talent..
but can they play defense.. im not so sure. Marcus Thornton lit us up last year too… clips so far have rounded out their roster with D leaguecamp invites and 2 rookies i can’t see them being that good
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:37 PM PST reply actions
we should be better than the Kings for sure
possibly the Suns too. I’m not so sure about the Clippers, but they do have Blake, who will be getting a bunch of superstar calls for sure. Also, CP3 made Aaron Gray look good during the playoffs last year, I’m sure he could do the same for DJ and whoever backs him up. Realistically, I think we can challenge for the second in the pacific, but we’ll probably end up 3rd
Clippers top players kill our top players. Clippers to me seem like the no brainer better team.
Sac has more young talent, but that might not translate onto the court just yet, they’re not done building yet. In two to three years however there could be a different Pacific landscape.
Phoenix I think is the only team that doesn’t have a good future in my opinion. That team is devoid of talent like our own.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Sac’s talent more mismatched than ours. 3 score first guards and trying to get another.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Talkin sh*t about sacramento's defense
Is not something I think you can really get away with on a dubs blog.
Also, are more mismatched with 3 score first guards? We have 3 score first guards and whatever Jenkins is…
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by RACE!! on Dec 14, 2011 10:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations
From one fan of a bottom-dweller team to another, I know you people are absolutely elated.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Cool, dude…at least your Kwame free.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
ME TOO. F THIS!
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You are joking right?
That’s the price you pay for the BEST PG IN THE LEAGUE
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
It is worth it
You will actually make the playoffs.
I wish our owners would have actually traded Curry for CP3. Who cares if it’s just one year. It’s one year of sweet sweet playoffs. And we probably would have had Chandler as well if we got CP3. And maybe, if the team is really good, he would come back. If not, we’d still be in the playoffs.
As a Clipper fan, enjoy your playoff run. You have earned it.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
idk
student vs master…we’ll see, i hope so!
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Who starts?
Kwame or Andris? He’ll be going against DJ, bear in mind.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Swami says...
Curry: 24pts 4reb 4asst 2st 3to
Paul: 15pts 5reb 17ast 4st 0to
Final Score: Warriors 98 Clippers 107
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 14, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it’s better than the Lakers.
No it’s not. Jerry Buss is way more deserving than Sterling .
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
derp.
I’m pretty glad we didn’t ever get CP3. I know you guys are high on him, but I actually like Curry. I’d rather things play out the way they did (sans Kwame.)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
my sentiments exactly
Take Curry all the way…to your 11th place in the West and back of lottery draft pick. YAY.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t really understand why you guys are so excited to go to the playoffs and lose in the first round. It doesn’t matter anyways. Chris Paul does not make this team a contender. Might as well develop Curry instead. Like I said, Curry has an outside chance of being as good as CP3 in the long run. He’s younger. He’s been very good his first two years. There’s no reason to trade up right now. He should be a benchmark player for us, not trade bait for older, superstar diva guards.
Curry has an outside chance of being as good as CP3 in the long run
which means he has an inside track to not be.
How old you think CP3 is anyway? He’s not knocking on retirement’s door he’s entering his prime and now with our competition instead of with us so don’t get too giddy over it.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
are you really arguing that?
paul’s team is god awful every time he comes off the floor
look at any statistic
and find one that suggests that chris paul isn’t an elite player that can carry a team to the playoffs.
PER? no. WS/48? no. +/-? APM? RAPM? no, no, no. ezPM? no. ORtg? DRtg? eFG? TS%? PPP?
really, find me one
I didn’t really. CP3 is getting up there and is injury prone. I’d rather homegrow that talent. The leash is real short on Curry for some reason. He has the ability and work ethic to become a Top 5 PG. I’m not impatient like everyone else on GSoM.
CP3 is getting up there
He’s 26! He’s five months older than Monta Ellis – if his knees hold up, he’s just really entering his prime!
The leash is real short on Curry for some reason.
Nobody is down on Curry. (Except maybe a few Monta fanboys).
Paul is three years older. So let’s look at who Paul was three years ago:
21.4 pts/36 (better than Curry last year) .599 TS% (better than Curry last year), 10.3 asts/36 (do I have to say it?), 2.4 TOV/36 (are you going to make me say it?) 4.1 reb/36 (same as Curry) above-average defense at his position (better than Curry) more steals than Curry, fewer fouls.
I mean, really, it’s not close.
This is not a dis on Curry. When Paul was Curry’s age, he was playing the PG position as well as anybody has played it, ever.
Now, look, there is some cause for concern because of the injury. Paul might not have a real long career, but you never know.
But you never know with Curry, either. For all the talk of Paul being injury prone he played in more games than Curry did last year.
good point.
But you never know with Curry, either. For all the talk of Paul being injury prone he played in more games than Curry did last year.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 15, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, the Warriors are screwed after this Chris Paul trade
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That was already going to happen
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
I will be exciting, though
We will be the first team to get destroyed by the CP3-Blake alley oop
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
excited
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
yeah this is true
I’m looking forward to watching them. I like ’em better than the Lakers anyways.
yeah, this is the only thing stopping me from crying right now
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Lacob is there to personally witness the massacre.
Show him what a real NBA playoff team looks like and who the pretenders are.
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by kenntoe on Dec 14, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
can the Clippers buyout Billups' contract?
he could’ve just been a back-up plan
no. not on the amnesty waivers. no buyout or trades.
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trade him to the Heat.
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nevermind
can’t read.
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I think they can buy him out.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
why didnt they throw in bledsoe
three pg’s and no sg’s….?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
4 PG's
Cp3, Billups, Bledsoe and Mo Williams too!
by GSWarrior1818 on Dec 14, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
they didn't have to
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling that in the eyes of the NBA the CP3 trade is gonna make for more balance right now, but in the years to come all the current good teams are gonna switch spots with the weak/average teams and we will be back to what it is right now.
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IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW. I HATE THIS DEAL.
Leveraging our future for two years of CP3. We gave up too much!
I really liked the home grown movement….and thought they would be special without CP3.
On a positive note, after years and years of being a Clipper fan…I’m pissed about getting CP3…I guess it could be worse.
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You guys got way way better. Losing Gordon hurts, but Eric Gordon will likely never be half as good as Chris Paul.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Your youth was good, but be honest were they ever gonna be as good as CP3 is. Right Now?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
trust me, while I'm sure your comfortable in your zone of ultra-suck, you will quickly get used to winning.
Right now, this is obviously a rough adjustment, but don’t worry, when the team stops losing you’ll be better for it.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW. I HATE THIS DEAL.
haha, does CP3 know what he’s getting into? Clips fans complain about getting a spectacular deal handed to them on the wrong team’s forum no less? Will they even be able to find Staples to see him play with those skills?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
wtf...please stop
you’re making us sane Clips fans look ridiculous
other than winning the Blake lottery, this is the greatest day in Clips history.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 15, 2011 3:14 AM PST up reply actions
on another note
how about the Hornets? They get Gordon AND the Minny pick. That’s how you rebuild…
Now this is a good trade. The biggest contract NOH took back was Kaman’s expiring deal, and they get a couple of young players with high potential as well as Minnesota’s first rounder. Now they’re in perfect position to rebuild. Who was it again who said that getting a trio of overpaid 30 year-olds was the best deal the Hornets could get?
too good for NO.
raped the clips.
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You got a superstar for a guy who might one day make an all star team, a bad center and a solid SF prospect. The Minny pick probably won’t be as good as people thing because Minny will probably not be that bad.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Homerism
EJ is good, but CP3 is special, plus he fits extremely well with your frontcourt
Clips are looking real good now, you have a few roster holes, but nothing that a few replacement-level players can’t handle
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
maybe.
Maybe it is.
I just don’t know right now.
Let me digest this.
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if mo gets amnestied
do you guys think warriors should bid?
Curry, Monta, Jenkins, Thompson, Dorell and Mo Williams? How many shooting guards does it take to go to playoffs? We might qualify based on that..
You really think Jenkins can handle back up PG? Or Klay for that matter as rookies?
Dorell will see his time at the 3. Mo could back up both positions. Wouldn’t be a bad amnesty wire pickup.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
new orleans..still could be good
They’ll still have Jarret Jack, Bellinelli, Ariza and Okafor Poindexter . They’re bench could be good also b/c its made up of players who played for the U.S in the Pan Am games(we got bronze) Plus Landry said he would be open to coming back( he should
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:55 PM PST reply actions
That sounds like a bunch of average to below average players to me
whos scares opposing players from that list
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
What opposing team?
Warriors should be scared of everyone on that list, anyone can kill ( and has before ) current Warrior squad on any given night.
they probably won't have to tank that hard
their best player is definitely Eric Gordon, they might be OK, but I don’t see them being better than us this year
Gordons a baller
but injured allot.
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
They have a lot of backup caliber players and Eric Gordon.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Calling it right now
The 2012 Minnesota first round pick WILL be the #1 overall pick.
dons tinfoil hat
naw
Craptors, Cleveland will be much worse
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
craptors are bound for the first
i actually think cleveland might be mediocre this year
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
You poor, naive soul.
You really think the record has any bearing on how the lotto ball bounces? Let me tell you a story about an old man and his frozen envelope…
yea but the worse you do
the more balls you get.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Maybe I'm being too subtle
Stern’s going to rig it.
New Orleans should tank this year
Get more high picks in a deep draft
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I think they'll be tanking by default.
They’re pretty bad.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
they’ll be better than us in 2-3 years :(
by dsham001 on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Tanking is a simple concept, one that we haven’t tried in a long time.
by belilaugh on Dec 14, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
fixed
they’ll be better than us
in 2-3 yearsnext year :(
Funny thing
Minnesota might actually be good this year. They have a pretty good coach in Adelman, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley (a scoring SF), Ricky Rubio, and our former center, Anthony Randolph. I don’t think the Minnesota pick would have been the #1 pick.
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I remember going on the T'wolves forum a while ago
they didn’t like Randolph very much. But I think their success this season depends on Rubio and how well he adjusts to the nba. Don’t forget, they have Derrick Williams too
Randolph is better than Darko
He does need to bulk up, though
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
They also have Wes Johnson.
He really came on in the 2nd half. I like their young talent. I live in Tucson, saw all of D-Will’s games. Hes just a player, finds a way to score
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
If a team's success depends on Rubio...
…you’re in trouble
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
BUT
David Stern owns the Hornets… David Stern made this trade… David Stern operates the draft lottery… David Stern wants to look as smart as possible…
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I hate that guy
He always has this a-hole grin on his face like he’s getting away with whatever he wants and no one can do anything about it. He needs to retire. He’s been Comish way to long
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he has been commish for way too long
It’s too bad, too, because he was a good commissioner until a few years ago. He basically brought the NBA to where it is today. But he should have left a couple years earlier, and avoided this whole mess.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, lack of a consistent jumpshot, slow on defense, etc.
he’s rigged in NBA 2k12 though lol
He can pass
and if he can improve his jumper he would be deadly
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
he's not going to
he plays in a league in Europe built around finesse and lacks physicality. he’s skinny, not muscular, and his numbers have been declining overseas for the past two years. didnt even break double digits in assists for barcelona
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I wouldn’t list Michael Beasley (a not good scoring positionless player) on a pro list. He’s not good.
I’d be more hopeful for Derrick Williams being good than Beasley.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
poor Randolph...
I miss AR, but he had all the potential to be a future all star, but yet he does not uses it to his advantage. Hopefully, he could stop bring hard headed and just play basketball to his fullest. He is 20-10 machine if he could be humble and learn the game.
Will Minnesota shore up that horrible defense?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
"Mama theres goes that man"
As in CP3, Superman and My man deandre Jordan
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM PST reply actions
Since the Clippers and the Lakers will probably beat up on us
we should give up right now and tank the season, get a better pick, and fire Mark Jackson for failing to coach this team to a playoffs spot
This is my dream scenario.
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I think tanking is looking sorta inevitable
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
I also want Mark Jackson fired
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
already?
but, but…what if “Hand down, man down” is the reason that Monta sucks at D?
and, what about end of game offense? “Put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him go to work”…seems reasonable
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think the signs eventually point to tanking.
If this roster disappoints out the gate we may see a firesale earlier than normal. Its obvious now that it’s going to be easier to break this team down than to add more talented pieces to it.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Ill enjoy seeing if Mark actually follows what he preaches
when he turns into the coach. He always one upped the coaches he was covering as if they were all incompetant
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:04 PM PST reply actions
Ill enjoy seeing if Mark actually follows what he preaches
It’s gonna be fun to de-code what Barnett says about him. Won’t take long for Ol’Jim to figure him out.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Warriors should get Kaman
but of course it’s Kwame Brown money now.
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NO
Kaman is an absolutely terrible center
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
as opposed to Kwame
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I do not want Kwame either
I do not want either center. But we are stuck with Kwame.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman is a good center
he was injured last year. His career average is 14/10 with 1.7 blocks/g.
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Yeah but look at his percentages
He has awful rebounding and scoring percentages. He gets blocks but is not a good defender.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman isn’t a good center. he’s inefficient and doesn’t actually play good defense.
Kwame isn’t a good center either, but no one things he is.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
*thinks
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman is legit, Kwame Brown is the next biggest waste of money this franchise has ever spent after Adonal Foyle
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Please
Kaman is a net negative on the court. He can’t rebound well (for a big man), can’t score efficiently (for a big man), and can’t be a defensive presence. He sucks.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ill give you the "cant move well" but
when hes healthy hes a very good player for his position. He actually has offensive skills unlike every bigman this team ever goes after
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by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Ok I'll throw some stats your way
For his career, he has a field goal percentage of 47.1%, a rebound rate of 16.3%, and a turnover percentage of 16.9%. He can’t score efficiently, can’t rebound, and turns the ball over too much when he does have the ball.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
I would add a TS% that falls short of average pretty much every year, dipping below 50 last year and a 5 year RAPM of 1.8. The jury is in Kaman is bad.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I could have used the TS%
as for RAPM, I could have used it, but it’s better if I just break it into its components like FG% and stuff because it’s easier to understand.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, but it’s still information.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Point taken. All I know is he's a better option than most NBA centers IMOP
I dont think he’s a superstar.
When I’ve seen their games I’ve always come away impressed. Maybe he thinks Im the next GM idk
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
He has post moves. He can’t turn those moves into production.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman has good looking moves and he's big. It makes him look unique.
He just doesn’t score efficiently nor does he help his team defensively. If you’re out there and are a bigman, you better be a positive on one end or the either. Kaman is a negative on both.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
lmao. Those are almost as bad as david wesely going up for a layup
during the last year he played for the Cavs
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
The youtube comments are hilarious
Jerome James and Adonyl Foyle should play 1 on 1 and the loser should be shot, and then the winner
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Can we start the "Bring Back Captain Jack" movement
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:05 PM PST reply actions
No he burned all his bridges
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
haha, I was just kidding
I just laugh when I think of him. He was so crazy
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Dec 14, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
no thank you.
I had enough of action jackson already!!!
So.....
Do the Clips now make a package of Jordan + whatever for Dwight Howard?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Well, guess that'd be kinda hard now
They gave up a good haul jsut for CP3
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
I believe you have to wait awhile after signing.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
Actually
Watch then trade Blake for Dwight lol.
Talk about role-reversal with the Clips and Lakers.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
then=them
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
doesn’t matter,we’ll give them a nice present for X-mas, a defeat. klay burns them for downtown, whole teams buys in on defense, or at least the basics and of course we’ll need an amazing night from monta and steph. It will bee a true christmas miracle at Oracle.
by AmaruEternal1989 on Dec 14, 2011 5:57 PM PST reply actions
whole teams buys in on defense
haha, you can’t just buy defense of CP3 and Blake , you gotta already own it.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
on the bright side
the clippers officially suck on perimeter defense, so lets rain those three balls
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
we could always pound the ball down low on you guys
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
by ClipperBEAST on Dec 14, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Sad but true
sam_amick Sam Amick
This all worked out well for my Christmas Day viewing: Clippers-Warriors. Like watching your ex go on a date w/someone else for Golden State
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
im glad cp3 got traded to the clips.
i have a feeling they wont be as good as many people has said. Yeah they got a very good pg, and a up and coming pf. Other than that, who else is truely good? Im sorry but DJ isnt that good, but playing with blake really gave him some opportunity to shine. But i feel like it was hollow.
Now Eric gordon is on the hornets. Im silently laughing as they gave up a very very good sg in the future. If only we can pry EG from hornets after this trade is final, i would love to have curry and gordon on one team.
With all this said, i still think the warriors and clippers will fight for the 7th and 8th seed of the playoffs, with the clippers having the edge of course.
Come 2012, we will be in good position in terms of cap space and FA if we do get to the playoffs.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
dj works well with a pass first pg
clips will be good. no doubt. they’ll find that not having a true off the ball sg will suck. but i have no doubt they’ll fix that by the trading deadline
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Yeah, the Clippers have the best PG, a near elite power forward and some solidish players. Probably more than you can say bout the Hornets last year, and they made the playoffs.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
look, i dont think we're giving our squad chance at proving they've improved
for all we know, monta could have radically changed his game, beans could be back, and klay could be some hidden treasure
lets not get down yet.
except feel free to continue to rip on kwame
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Why is it worth waiting?
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Same as every year
Beans is back!
Monta is changed!
The team is committed to defense!
Our off season acquisitions will be great!
What’s Einstein’s definition of insanity again?
by RACE!! on Dec 14, 2011 11:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Baron Amestied
The Cleveland Cavaliers have officially announced that they have used their team’s "amnesty clause" on Baron Davis, and waived the 32-year old guard from their roster.
Should we consider bringing him back as a backup PG? Right now all we have is an unproven rookie Charles Jenkins
He's out for 8-10 weeks at least.
Herniated disc in his back.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
o ya
forgot about that. anyways id think i really want him. not the same player anymore
by gswarriors12 on Dec 14, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Get Baron back?
That’s not a bad idea….but there’s a PG vacancy in NOLA now.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
I want him back.
If this season is gonna suck I’d rather it suck with players that I enjoy rooting for and not kwame brown.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 15, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if Baron has enough drive left in him to play well in the NBA much less enough health.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
yeah it's more nostalgia as the reason I want him back.
Talent-wise, probably not very useful.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 15, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Clips are going to be supergood
Chauncey can play SG and be a solid vet on and off the bench. CP3 wlll help DeAndre get all star like numbers. Bledsoe going to learn a ton from all that experience.
If caron butler is healthy I bet they win the division.
Sad times for warriors fans but if it also means sad times for Lakers fans that makes it a little easier to take.
NO fans probably thanking David Stern
This deal much better for them than the one that got nixed.
They'd probably still be a playoff team if they'd gotten the Lakers package.
With this one, they could end up staying bad for a while.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
But
with this one they get two very high picks in an excellent daft. They rebuilt right… unlike us :(
by Back2Believe on Dec 16, 2011 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
if minnesota remains terrible, NO does terribly, and then they amnesty okafor next season
they’re looking at eric gordon, 2 high draft picks in a stacked draft, and about $40M in cap space.
What happened to "We believe"???
Im new to these boards and will continue to be until football season is over, but why is everyone so negative here? I know it hasent been easy beign a Dubs fan for the past 2 decades but come on? I think its obvious that the new FO is trying to improve this team and i truely believe Lacob when he said he wants to raise another banner at Roar-acle. We have arguably the best backcourt in the NBA, and if Beans and Lee can step it up with Dorrell staying in stride we defenitlly have the talent to make a run.
Im a firm believer in building through the draft, since in most cases big free agency splashes do not pay off. I just dont get all “the sky is falling” mentality after we dont overpay and send all our young talent for a single superstar. The OG we believe team was so amazing and why? Because no one thought we could, everyone was against us and we did it with pure drive and heart over talent!!!
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 14, 2011 8:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
you talk about building through the draft and wonder where did the We Believe go?
We Believe died when Jrich was traded for a draft pick
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 14, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
I thought JRich was traded for Brandan Wright?
dosent make it any better based on Wrights career here
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 14, 2011 8:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
traded wright on draft day
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 14, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
i think we were restricted from trading that pick
so we had to trade after the pick was made
the warriors have always done everything backwards
when they’re trying to rebuild, they make a move that gives away the future to try to win now.
when they finally have a team that can compete, they trade away key players for draft picks like they’re trying to rebuild
it’s really really stupid
by bigkino217 on Dec 14, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed^^^
but this is a new regime, and in my opinion we havent given away any of our young talent for quick 1 year fixes, which tells me they want to be patient and make the right moves, instead of diving head first into something that will screw us in the long term.
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 14, 2011 8:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
david lee was pretty much the first move that had to be run by this front office
and that was a clear example of giving away future potential to try to win now.
I do miss Randolph and Bukie
and by no means do i mean with this post that people should not gripe about this franchise because they have gave us every reason to scratch our heads and say WHAT!!! But now that “the logo” is up there along with Lacob who does seem sincere on giving us a winning team i say give them a chance and not flip out because we couldnt land CP3 or TC
by Frisco_Kid on Dec 14, 2011 9:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i'm not flipping out because we didnt land them
frankly, i wasnt expecting to land either. i’m upset that they wasted the amnesty and let reggie and lin go just to go after deandre when it was clear the clippers were going to match. they missed out on all of the potential value from this free agency class.
the reason the Warriors have always sucked
is because of the Bay Area’s lack of hip hop clubs for young black male athletes.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 14, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Great attitude, man. I need it.
Cohan used up all the “We Believe” juice.
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 14, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
What happened to "We believe"???
died in 2007 with the Jrich diss.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Clips aint there yet
U know what I’m not convinced that Clippers will be that good..consider this.. the post lockout season will have every nba team playing in a more condensed schedule. Teams will play games back to back to back that will take the gas out of any starting 5 and the lack of rest in between games will result in some injuries. If Butler gets hurt who will they rely on Renaldo Major? Eric Gomes? Their rookies need development. Plus they lack a real 2 guard randy foye , mo williams won’t stop the likes Kevin Martin,Wes Matthews, Kobe let alone Marcus Thornton. DJ and Griff don’t even have legit backups (Ike I love him but he’s 6’8). They’re not built to be an 8 seed or beat a team like the Jazz or Suns with more talented wings and more talented bigs respectively
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM PST reply actions
Scary starting 5
CP3, Chauncey. Caron, Blake, Deandre.
They’ll probably move Mo for depth
Yeah but abismal bench
I could see that but Mo Williams helped recruit Caron plus bledsoe’s hurt right now they’re not gonna start the season with willie warren as they’re backup pg. I don’t know who would want Mo williams except maybe the raptors. Caron is 6’6 maybe 6’7 most starting small forwards are bigger than I know Dorrell is and i’m pretty sure he’s gonna win that matchup.
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 9:23 PM PST reply actions
Caron Butler, Mo Williams, Bledsoe.
These are very solid bench players.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 15, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I knew the Chris Paul effect would come into play
JR Smith
@TheRealJRSmith JR Smith
Wonder what I would look like wit a clips jersey on? Someone twit pic it on 2k11
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
He's just lonely
because he’s stuck in China.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
He’s also got K-Mart over there with him too. The Nuggets must be so happy.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Don't really think BG and DJ were too clos with Gordon lol
Raw video of DJ’S and BG’S reaction to the deal
DJ—- Who did we give up?
BG—- I don’t care!!
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
I knew it
The Clippers are going to be the toast of LA now.
Anyone complaining about Stern vetoing the trade, think about it from the Hornets pov, not the Clippers or Lakers:
1) Get Lamar Odom (9 mill for 2 years), Kevin Martin (11.5 mill for 2 years), Luis Scola (9 mill for 4 years), and Houstons first round pick (say it’s the 15th pick, as Houston is a middling team)
ORRRRRR
2) Get Eric Gordon (rookie contract), Chris Kaman (12 million EXPIRING!), Al Farouq Aminu (rookie contract), and Minnesota’s first round pick (probably top 5)
To all the Lakers “fans” I tell them get real, this “totally unfair veto” wasn’t that YOU gave up the right amount to get Paul, it was that the Hornets were getting pieces to be a .500 team (until all those guys age), but with no salary cap space for improvement for at least two years. That’s not what a rebuilding team does and the owners demanded the veto.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
They probably make the playoffs with the Lakers' package.
They have more potential to get another star through the draft this way, but we’ll see how that works out. Bottom line, I’d say they don’t get to .500 again until all those contracts expire anyway (4 years). So it all just depends on the way you want to go. I guarantee you fans won’t show up for a losing team, though. They had attendance problems even when they were winning.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Exactly, the team has no owner, so they must completely rebuild, and now they can.
The Lakers deal pitted them in mediocrity county for the next 3-4 years at least. They might make the playoffs, but what’s the point?
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I'd assume the point would be to get fans to come to watch your team.
If they don’t, the whole premise of the league only wanting to sell to an owner who will keep them in NO fails. And why must they rebuild because they are without an owner? They were without an owner last season, and made the playoffs. They will supposedly have an owner by mid-season this year. This owner, even if they do end up with 2 top 5 picks, would be unprepared to make basketball decisions, but would likely ensure he has the final say on who they take. Any chance they end up with 2 mediocre players down the line? Or one that’s decent while the other bombs out of the league a la Derrick Coleman? I definitely don’t trust a new management team to make the right selections. Managements that have been in place for years make bad picks all the time. At least if they acquire talent, you know what you have, and if you really want, you can find a team looking to acquire it, and trade that player to a team who wants them. They’re worst contract, by the way, is going to end up being Okafor, who has 3 more years at $13.5M left on his deal. And he’s ALREADY on the team.
Mediocrity > awfulness. The Clippers have rebuilt many times, and failed most. So have many other teams who try that route. It’s not any more surefire than acquiring already established talent. Shoot, the only championship team I can think of who’s 3 best players were all drafted by that team is the Spurs. Before that, there was the Bulls (Horace Grant being the 3rd). Bottom line, talent > potential. That will never not be true.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
think about it from the Hornets pov 1) 2)
trouble is #1 is a way better team than #2 so do you wanna win now or maybe win later?I’d rather win now cause I might not care later.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:28 PM PST reply actions
Win what? The 8th seed? Option 1 gets you that at best. Option 2 they will now have 2 top 10 picks in the deepest draft ever.
Plus two solid youngsters, and a ton of cap room next year.
Option 1 makes you the Warriors, option 2 makes you what I wish the Warriors would be just for one year.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Win what? The 8th seed? Option 1 gets you that at best. Option 2 they will now have 2 top 10 picks in the deepest draft ever.
You are over rating unknown potential and under rating proven talent. Folks don’t like to sit around waiting forever they wanna go enjoy winning basketball now.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Odom, Martin, and Scola aren't good enough to give you a winning team.
It’s aging talent. Zero of these players are going to get any better. Can a Hornets team with these players contend for a championship? No. They would need to add to that core significantly. Oh well they can just get a guy in free agency right? Wrong, they are capped out because these three players who don’t give them a winning team account for over half of the salary cap. Winning basketball may happen for a year or two but then what?
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Winning basketball may happen for a year or two but then what?
You enjoy the 2 years of playoffs and ticket sales then deal with it when it happens.
The picks and potentials approach might net less with more risk.
Look how the JRich for Brokenwing deal worked out for us.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
That's the best case scenario. One round of playoffs for two years.
This isn’t Brokenwing. This is potentially two top 5 picks. Gilchrist, Davis, Barnes, etc. But besides that, they have a ton of cap room now. The team is therefore more appealing to a new owner because he can mold it into a great squad.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
What you don't realize is that 2 years of playoffs is probably more than they'll get
with the rebuild. Look at us. Look at the Clippers. We’ve had multiple rebuilds each, and done nothing but 1 season of playoffs. However, Clippers acquire talent by trading away potential, and they’re playoff threats overnight.
See how that works? They gave up potential and got better. Why is potential so great anyway? Anthony Randolph had potential. Mike Dunleavy had potential. So did countless others.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
How do you know that?
It’s called planning for the future. Mediocrity is the end of you in the NBA. Then again being a small market is the end of you in the NBA. This is an unfair game and the only way to get out of purgatory is to gut the team and get young cheap talent.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
lol
the only way to get out is cheap young talent.
tell that to the pistons, who won with guys they got through FA or trade. Tayshaun was the only guy grown in-house, and he was arguably their worst starter. What about the Celtics? Mediocrity with Pierce for years, bing bang boom to smart trades (trading away potential) and they win a championship. There are plenty of ways to get out of mediocrity, but they all invovle MAKING SMART DECISIONS.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
They sure didn't get all that talent by being capped out with middling talent.
And the Celtics pulled off some smart trades, exactly the opposite of what getting Odom, Martin, and Scola.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Just so we’re clear, let me try to make you aware of something:
The Pistons, prior to their very good 7-year run we’re capped out between 1995-2001. They made the playoffs 4 out of 6 years and lost in the first round every time. The year after cap space opened up, rather than rebuild, they added Cliff Robinson and Jon Barry and won 50 games, making the conference semi-finals. They had still yet to have 4 of their 5 championship starters on roster. Going into the next season, they added Chauncey via mid-level exception, and traded for Rasheed and Rip, while being capped out. Tayshaun was the 23rd overall pick that year. Notice how there was no rebuilding done there? They had even just traded away a player that was the league’s second leading scorer 2 years earlier and a back to back allstar. Stackhouse was just 28 at the time. Okur was a 2nd round pick.
The player they did have on roster prior to that was Ben Wallace. Undrafted.
There are just as many examples of teams winning championships through smart trades rather than “rebuilding,” and I’ll safely bet there are actually more.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
This is the only example that fits your bill.
And they’re the only team to not have a superstar and win.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
I guess.
But i saw some +/- data that suggested he wasn’t all that. Very good, but not superstar.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
Option 1 makes you better thant the Warriors
and they’d have a shot at anywhere from the 6th to the 8th seed. What’s the likelyhood of them doing that in their next version of rebuild? Still under 50%. I don’t understand why, like Skeptic said, people over-value the draft. Sure fire star picks are rare, even at number 1. Talent is talent, whether it’s young, in its prime, or aging. They’d be worth more actually having better players.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Maybe better than the Warriors, but still 6th to 8th seed? So what?
You can’t get better with these fat contracts. If the goal is to become a championship contender, you take option 2 every time.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
That wouldn't be the immediate goal obviously.
The first goal needs to be becoming financially viable. They’re going under because they’re having attendance problems, and the league wants to keep them in New Orleans. Multiple seasons of 20 wins isn’t going to help that. The 6th to 8th seed is worlds better than sucking. It’s also closer to a championship than sucking.
I recall an 08-09 Dallas team that was aging, capped out, and knocked out of the playoffs in 5 quick games by Denver. A season before that, they had been the 7th seed.
No where to go right? No way to get better right? Better off rebuilding right? No.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
That's not a fair comparison.
The Mavericks at least had a superstar, and as long as you have that, you can compete for a title.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
They weren't doing it.
Same superstar. What changed? Smarter roster decisions around him.
Maybe NO still wouldn’t have a shot at a title, maybe they wouldn’t. I would argue that they’re not any more likely to have a shot at one through the draft. But my point was, that trade doesn’t make the only option to crash and burn after to more playoff seasons.
Like I said before, it really depends on the direction you want to go. But it terms of actual basketball value, rather than what COULD or MIGHT happen, the Lakers trade would have been better for the Hornets. Now I fear that they will be forced to relocate, regardless of what the NBA wants. Say they misfire on the first rebuild attempt. Where does that leave them? With far fewer fans, and right back where they started. by that time, they’d be stuck in the red, in a far worse position than they are now.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
It doesn't matter whether they are .500 or .200. They still won't be a winning team and they most definitely won't win a championship with that trade.
Forget about relocation and new ownership, we know it’s gonna happen. But for long term success you need to rebuild, not take on fat contracts.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
we don't actually.
we only know new ownership.
you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to relocation. the NBA ONLY wants to sell to an owner who promises to keep the Hornets in NO.
Look around again. Championships aren’t won off of rebuilds. They’re won of smart decisions that add talent, no matter the way its acquired.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Why delay the inevitable? Yeah they could be mediocre enough to keep some fans for 2 year.
But then what happens? The team needs to be attractive to buyers. No one wants a mediocre, capped out, aging team.
The Clippers got Blake Griffin, their entire franchise turned around. They got under the cap and look at them now. The draft is the way out, and losing fat contracts. The Lakers deal did neither of those things. The Clippers did both.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 14, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
The Lakers trade kept them playoff viable.
It kept them in the picture. Now they have no options. They MUST rebuild, which could take a decade. If it fails, NO ONE will ever want to play there. When you win games and go to the playoffs, people tend to think you’re at least doing something right. When you don’t, you get nothing.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
You can either assume you will always fail in the draft and strive for mediocrity and a ceiling of the 7th seed, or you can try and rebuild from the draft, knowing you may fail, but also knowing if it pans out you are much closer to winning the championship than you were choosing the aging non-superstar talent strategy.
If the goal of the NBA was making the playoffs, then the first option would be ideal. If the goal of the NBA is winning a championship, you can’t be afraid to fail, especially if you are a team that can’t attract marquee free agents just from your brand.
This. Are we Warriors fans happy that we made the playoffs for 1 year?
Even the most awesome upset ever doesn’t make me happy. We still embrace the suck. LGW still… sigh
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 15, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Not for one year no.
But that’s because we didn’t make them in any of the other 15 years surrounding it.
We’re talking about the Hornets being playoff viable at least until Odom and Martin are up. Then they’d have a little more flexibility. Teams with good management tend to replace talent when it leaves.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Which team has won a championship through a rebuild?
Name one. The Spurs had one bad season where there star was injured and walked right into Duncan. That’s not a rebuild. The other two players they acquired and developed in house to become All Stars? The 30th and 58th picks in the draft, respectively.
Name even another team that had their 3 best players developed in house? There hasn’t been another in nearly 20 years, with only the Bulls (Jordan, Pippen, Grant) coming to mind.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Why that specific cutoff of 3 players? The Mavs had Dirk, the Lakers had Bryant (and Bynum for the later years), the Celtics had Pierce, the Spurs had Duncan (and Parker and Ginobili), the Heat had Wade, the Pistons had Prince, the Bulls had Jordan/Pippen, the Rockets had Olajuwon. That’s every single champion back to the Bulls in the early 90s (and I could keep going, but I’m not going to) except for arguably the Pistons. Even still, that seems like a much more difficult blueprint to follow.
Where did I say the Warriors weren’t allowed to trade or use free agency? Once they have enough talent, they can do what the Celtics did and trade for a guy like Garnett/Allen, or lure a guy like Shaq from free agency (not sure if we are capable of that due to us not being LA/NY, but still). The point is to stockpile enough talent to put us in position to win a championship, whether that means keeping your core intact, trading your assets, or having enough to convince others to come over.
There is always the danger that you draft a core who is either terrible or is good but not quite talented enough to go all the way, and you waste time doing it, but the risk is worth the reward. Especially when the alternative is get the 12th best record every year and pray for a ping pong ball miracle.
Well that's because we've made terrible decisions in general.
You can do just as horrible of a job by trying to build a team yourself.
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Reactions to the trade:
from Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin (he was elated); Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon
I think Gordon will be really good this year, expect over 20 PPG
Just can’t see the warriors doing better than last year.
My prediction is for the warriors to go 34-48.
Biedrins could make a difference if he returns to form (40-42 possibly) but I just don’t see how this team can compete for a playoff spot with the current roster.
Going 34-48 is going to be impossible this year. I mean that literally.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
technically
you can sneak into the playoffs with a record of 18-48 and then win 16 straight for the championship? lol
This year roster
….is for sure better than last year…no more vlad, gadzuric, acie law and charlie bell…they have no impacts on the team whatsoever…
We’ll see if it’s worse when season starts. But can you imagine worse than Vlad, Gad, Acie, Bell…? Hard to imagine that.
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by AlbinoWhale on Dec 15, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
vlad was serviceable
and i can absolutely see worse than reggie (who we also lost, yet was “conveniently” left off)
This year roster….is for sure better than last year…no more vlad, gadzuric, acie law and charlie bell
also no Reggie , Wright, Thornton, or Lin who all contributed in some way
Replaced by unproven rookies coached by an unproven coach?
smells like success :>)
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 15, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
worked with the 9ers
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
worked with the 9ers?
I haven’t followed the 9er’s since JoeMontana left but you are telling me 40% of their roster is rookies?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 15, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
40% was new and and the rest were unproven veterans that took the starting role
with a new HC and a lockout. theyre currently NFC west champions (first team to clinch a division) and headed to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years. They are now battling for the number 2 seed.
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
What is your sigline supposed to mean?
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Quote from Dogma. (I hate Kevin Smith so haven’t seen it, but I can google!)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 15, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, I don't find that funny at all.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
It's probably not what you think it is
Look into the context. It’s Matt Damon as an angel in charge of enforcing God’s wrath; the mass genocide he’s referring to is biblical, but I can see why you might be offended without the context.
yeah
It’s a line stated by the former angel of death, Loki. He is attempting to explain to his friend, Bartleby, that he “rained down sulfur from the skies” and did not merely “light some fires” at Sodom and Gomorrah. He explains that this task was quite exhausting. As exhausting as soccer.
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
i, on the contrary, enjoy Mr. Smith's films
different strokes
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
40% was new and and the rest were unproven veterans that took the starting role
I don’t know how accurate the 49er team website is but it shows 11 players out of 53 or 21% rookies which would be like the Dubs carrying 3 rookies on our roster?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 15, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
new as in FA's
FAs who werent top tier guys who were considered busts for their previous teams and what not… playing above their level with the coaching in SF
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
potential to be better
But much more unproven. If Udoh improves, Thompson can contribute, Biedrins shows some signs of life, and the team defense improves, then yes- they can be better than last year.
But that’s a lot of “ifs,” and I’m not even including the unknown that is Mark Jackson, though it’d be difficult to have worse coaching than last year.
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sorry- responding to GoDubs above
Updated:
Warriors sign small forward Dominic McGuire. Played in Charlotte last year.
Matt Steinmetz via Twitter.
Evanz...
Feel free to elaborate, but I just wanted to get the news up there.
by olympicmike on Dec 15, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
neither is Brown
I guess, but both will help the Warriors and fills that proverbial “defense” rhetoric we’ve been hearing about since Smart errr Nelson was fired.
I like McGuire as a versatile defender off the bench for 15 minutes per game. He can probably guard most 2’s and 3’s and some 4’s…Considering the Warriors depth in the bakcourt and SF spot, they needed to sign somebody…just as they needed to sign Kwame or someone that fits that role.
Wow
This really sucks. I guess he is our backup small forward
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 15, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
I asked for a defensive minded SF, and that’s who they grabbed. I guess I can’t complain too much.
I’m not sure exactly how good his D is, but he has good length, can block shots, and rebounds very well for the SF spot. Doesn’t bring anything to the table offensively though.
by olympicmike on Dec 15, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
A huge propaganda point by the FO was this team just needed a bench...
Well…the bench might even be worse this year lol.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 12:33 PM PST reply actions
no way it got worse
But it sure as hell didn’t get better considering we lost reggie
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 15, 2011 12:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Meh… Reggie’s defense sucked anyway. Still, his offense was pretty good, which is more than we can say for Monta who can’t get to the line to save his life.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
So does Monta's and most likely Klay's.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
True, and I would like to trade Monta. Klay at the 2 at least has the length to defend. Plus, he showed pretty good lateral movement in college. He may be fine. Klay is a somewhat promising rookie, so we can live with his bad defense. Couldn’t say the same for Reggie. His lateral movement was non-existent, really, like Monta.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Reggie > Klay
Vlad> anyone left over
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
This is great actually.
The ownership is trying as hard as they can to keep the 2012 first!
Signing Dominic McGuire is a great step. That dude is a cooler. Guaranteed to cost your team wins.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 15, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree, if they had just held on to that amnesty clause.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 15, 2011 4:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And we pay Kwame 7 million?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Hollinger's breakdown
Hollinger is usually a bias prick, but many respect his opinion on players.
+ Defensive-minded wing with great size. Outstanding rebounder.
+ Awful offensive player. Can’t shoot or handle ball. Shoots anyway.
+ Best position may be smallball 4. Good dunker and shot-blocker.
McGuire is a wing player, but you wouldn’t know it from his stats. His rebounding and shot-blocking numbers look like a power forward or even a center; he was first among small forwards in all three rebounding metrics and second in blocks. He was also third in fouls, third from last in steals, and second-to-last in points per minute. You’ll be forgiven for assuming he’s 7-2.
He’s a wing, though, and at some point he got the idea that because he’s a wing he should shoot jumpers. Somebody really, really needs to tell him to stop. McGuire can’t shoot at all, but nearly half his shots last season from were beyond 10 feet. He shot 28-of-101 from that distance, an impossibly bad 27.7 percent conversion rate; in a related story, he shot a ghastly 39.6 percent overall and had the fifth-worst True Shooting Percentage in the league last season.
When McGuire wasn’t forcing baseline spectators to take cover, he was playing solid defense. This is what keeps him in the league. McGuire is big for a wing and athletic, and although his mobility is average he’s very good against most 3s. I suspect he’d be even better as a smallball 4 and surprised it hasn’t been tried more extensively, as he’s so awful offensively on the perimeter that it’s difficult to justify keeping him on the court.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/3246/dominic-mcguire
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
A big athletic rebounding defensive wing? What is everyone so upset about? That’s exactly what we needed off the bench. If Jackson can coach at all he gets this guy to realize that he can’t shoot, and that our entire offense is Monta, Steph and Lee.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Dec 16, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Draftexpress breakdown of Dominic McGuire
July 2008
This is the type of performance that we’ve grown to expect from the talented second-year forward. McGuire is a versatile player with a lot of tools, who won’t do a ton of scoring, but is capable of putting points on the board at this level. The Fresno State graduate does a very nice job moving without the ball, showing a nose for getting good looks at the basket. His jumper is still developing, but he’s always going to get a few easy buckets each game. While he’s not a great ballhandler, he’s capable of getting to the rim, where he looks for contact in an effort to get to the line. Defensively, McGuire shows the ability to defend both the perimeter and the post, and his combination of size, athleticism, and effort lets him make some plays on that end. McGuire will have a chance to earn himself some money this season with the Wizards
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dominic-McGuire-1162/
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
More DX on McGuire
Old 2007 Draft Measurables
Height w/o Shoes 6’ 7.75"
Height w/shoes 6’ 8.25"
Weight 220
Wingspan 6’ 10.5"
Standing Reach 8’ 8"
Body Fat 4.7
No Step Vert 28.5
Max Vert 34.5
Bench Press 12
Lane Agility 10.95
3/4 Court Sprint 3.25
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
From Matt Steinmetz
McGuire arrived at the team’s downtown practice facility early Thursday afternoon to sign the deal. He arrived about halfway through the team’s practice, and jumped right in to participate, according to the team.
Didn’t waste any time getting on the court.
The Warriors were in need of a backup small forward to Dorell Wright, with only Klay Thompson filling that role on the roster. McGuire is considered more of a defensive player than offensive player.
Understatement of the year?
I saw McGuire play
at Cal and Fresno State. He has NOT improved one ioda. His one year at Cal, he was just an athletic specimen…so raw. He’s pretty much the same deal now. This signing should put us over the top and guarantee a Finals trophy. Not.
this pretty accurate.
Was a non-factor at Cal (thanks to Ben Braun) and showed off enough of his athleticism at FSU to be drafted. But he is the same player: an athletic wing man that is very long and creates problems defensively. The goal is for him not to take too many shots on offense so that he doesn’t ruin his value on defense.
LOL
I thought he was a defensive player simply because he has no offense.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 15, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
isn't defense
be it bench or otherwise, what fans have been clamoring for for awhile now?
by salary_cap on Dec 15, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Defense without being a complete offensive liability.
It’d be fine if McGuire never shot the ball. Or if he could hit an open shot of any kind (other than a dunk).
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 15, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Ish or Jenkins + Clay bench backcourt gonna be good. McGuire will help Dorell if he’s in foul trouble. Kwame, to shoot Free throws instead of Biedrins.
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by AlbinoWhale on Dec 17, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Poor man's Tony Allen?
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
LOL
I wish he was.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 15, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
More like a homeless man’s Renaldo Balkman.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 16, 2011 2:55 AM PST up reply actions
ha, what’s great about that video is that immediately after McGuire blocks McGee’s shot, the Great Kwame Brown gets called for a loose ball foul. Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2011 offseason signings!
by Mullin's Flattop on Dec 16, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
They should have tried to get Josh Howard
The Jazz probably got him for cheap and I’d imagine he’s very motivated. Could have been a very good 6th man option.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
by duballers23 on Dec 15, 2011 5:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Marc Gasol resigned with the Grizzlies
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