Reggie Williams Agrees to 2-yr $5M Deal with Charlotte: Really? We Couldn't Beat That?
by Evanz on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM PST
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Reggie Williams has agreed to a two-year deal, $5 million deal with Charlotte, a league source tells Y! Sports.
via @WojYahooNBA
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Reggie matters!
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 3:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Congrats to him, glad to see he’s getting a payday for the hardwork he put in as a Warrior, seems like we’re the D League for the entire league. We pick up undrafted rookies or players from the DLeague and they end up getting paid on other teams (see: Azubuike, Watson, Morrow, Tolliver)
That says alot about Travis Schlenk and why we should trust the draft picks he and Larry Riley makes. The Spurs get credit for find talent overseas yet Schlenk gets zero for finding the best players in the D-League and undrafted guys like A-Mo. He can find another D-League guy to do what Reggie did.
Smh.
Why have that gift if you never keep them?
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Keep in mind there was a guy named Nellie involved… he was involved in finding and developing quite a few guards, sometimes seemingly out of the blue. Guys like John Starks, Mario Elie, Avery Johnson… as well as late draftees like Sprewell and Marciulonis.
I hope Schlenk is the guru you claim he is, but we haven’t seen him do anything without Nellie yet.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 14, 2011 10:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Developing, yes
But Nellie was by no means watching film. Our scouts brought in these guys. Shlenk specifically is regarded well for bringing in Dorell, Reggie, ammo.
but your coach has to know what to do with them and that’s where Nellie comes along. A great eye for talent, and ability to bring out the best in limited players.
Great value for Reggie.
Despite utter lack of defense, there are a lot of worse players making far more than that.
I read that Rip just signed to a 2 year, $10 M contract.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Great job Warriors!
So much faith in you!
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 3:13 PM PST reply actions
Anybody have the Bobcat site? I want to make it one of my favorites this year! Go Reggie! Free at last!
Some dollars do not hurt for all the work you did here! Even developed a 3 point shot in one year, and was fourth in the League! Dumbass Smart would not even play you with the game on the line! End of mediocrity and losers! Bobcats are up and comming! Jordan shrewdly managing the FO and dollars, and Silas a fox with players and talent! Next year, they will round out really nice ‘cause they have some money to spend. Reggie will thrive there, because they really want him! Ws were looking at a gift horse’s teeth way to long! May have been one of the greatest gifts that they ever gave back! Time will tell…..
i think
once w’s rescinded their Qualifying Offer, I think they outright lose the ability to sign him at all…i think i read that somewhere…
experts???
This wasn't even that much.
This was such a small offer…
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 3:18 PM PST reply actions
yeah
cheap and only for two years?!
massive bummer, especially coupled with the CP3 move to the Clip show
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Which is what I've been ranting about since yesterday:
If they hadn’t used up $7million on an end of the bench player they could have gotten a quality rotation guy like Reggie.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 14, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
he deserves to start
Throwing away talent is the golden state way
clearly Charlotte has the better hip hop clubs for young black male athletes
AM I RIGHT!? RIGHT!?!?!?!?
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Lol
I’m still shellshocked at the Bell amnesty to sign Kwame…
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Bell amnesty
Is only a foolish move if management signs a bad player to a bad contract. Hasn’t happened under the new regime yet.
We renounced his rights
Which would’ve been even smaller, iirc.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Good for Reggie!
And good for us – it means more playing time for Klay and a roster spot open to get a better defender. Mo Evans, Shawne Williams, AK-47?
Very little capspace homeslice. It mostly just means that we have 1 backup wing.
I heard he doesn't like music.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
yup.... I'll miss Reggie...
.. but if they feel Klay can score at this level, what the roster needs now is some strong defensive wings. Reggie is not that. Of course, Klay will have to seriously deliver to match Reggie’s scoring rate and efficiency.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 14, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Right, I just can't wait for those rookies to develop so we can contend for the playoffs; in about two to three years, if all goes all-right!
We just lost two of the top 3 point shooters in the league! Dont’ worry, the babe rookies are going to just walk in and take over…..off the bench…right…I hope Reggie gets some quality time and goes for 20 on the season…quality time that he never got here….lost him on a wasted PR and showbiz move….
Super reasonable deal
What’s crazy is that Reggie could potentially be the leading scorer on his team this year.
I heard he doesn't like music.
cant wait for charlotte vs gsw
the first test of monta vs reggie
If Jackson gets the team commited to defense,
Monta will destroy him
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 14, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
not so sure about that
but reggie averaging 16-18 ppg is entirely possible
I could see him getting 20 easily on that team.
No scorers outside of him and Maggette.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
reggie averaged 18+ points per 36 on the warriors team where there were plenty of other scorers
charlotte has nobody, and reggie’s minutes will increase. 20 ppg is not unreasonable whatsoever.
Okay so we're set then
If Reggie scores more than 20 a game I’ll bounce out of here, if he scores less you’re gone.
by OkayJay81 on Dec 14, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont think i ever said that i thought reggie would score 20 ppg
i said it was not unreasonable.
you should really work on your reading comprehension
back down from what?
you just made a completely unreasonable wager. what if i said the same thing, except i set the line a 5 points. if you say no, are you backing down?
Sorry, you weren't the original commenter I replied to
My point was that Reggie Williams will not average 20 points a game, and I stand by that.
i dont think he gets there either
just saying if he does, i wouldnt be surprised. charlotte will likely give gerald henderson some minutes though, so i dont think we’ll be seeing reggie get more than 30-32 min, which at his career scoring rate equates to somewhere in the 16ish ppg range.
I think I've been dragged outside my original opinion
I feel like the Warriors have already spent significant resources on getting offensive minded shooting guards with Monte and Klay, even if Reggie at 2/5 is a good contract it is a waste of resources for this team.
yeah, Reggie was that missing piece for playoffs baby!!!!!!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I was just speaking in general
not with/without Reggie.
Glad I could make you laugh though, champ.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Happy for Reggie
But I’m OK with this from the Warriors’ standpoint. I’d rather see Klay as the backup 2.
So, the Bucks matched for Mbah a Moute?
Would really like have a solid defensive SF to back up Dorrel.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Btw, quote from Reggie's agent
WILLIAMS’ AGENT RON SHADE: "The ability to play right away. Golden State showed a lot of interest. They still wanted him. Larry Riley called daily. There was never a time or moment we didn’t think Golden State was in the picture. But at the end of the day, they have Klay and young guys they wanted to develop. In Charlotte, he can come in and contribute right away, no mishaps or hurdles to overcome. Charlotte just had a better fit."
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2011/12/14/warriors-lose-reggie-williams-to-charlotte/
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
It seems like Reggie wanted to go to a place where he would get serious minutes
and get more money the next time around. This is overall probably better for Reggie’s career and yet another stupid move by the Warriors front office to let him go. We could have matched offers and kept him to help our team, his minutes would diminish yet he still would have helped us.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 14, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno if it's overtly stupid
He simply doesn’t fit with the team since we drafted Klay. What we need a a Mbah a Moute, not a Reggie at this point.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
We need defense and that is the weakest part of Reggie’s game
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 14, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
In that case why the heck didn't we draft Leonard that SF who is a defensive specialist
and keep Reggie for super cheap. Then we would have had two holes filled very cheaply. Instead we are basically replacing one of the productive aspects of our team.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 14, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, the front office is crushing my heart. I feel like we have Cohan again, making moves to “stay competitive in the West” and making playoff promises every 10 minutes.
As long as these chumps can sell enough season tickets, they’ll ride out their 10 years as owners on a wink and a smile, and then sell out to the next new rich guy who wants to join an exclusive club.
And you know what the biggest problem is? It’s that they can’t see what the rest of the league sees: this roster is horribly constructed and has no future. Duh. That’s why free agents don’t want to come here.
Attempting to stay the course with this roster is an insult. Playoffs? What a joke. Thanks Lacob. Way to go re-signing Riley, BTW. He tries like the dickens. I’m sure Kwame and Mark Jackson and David Lee will all try like the dickens too.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 14, 2011 10:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
mm, ok, fair enough
I’ll always root for mr. potato head
(in related news, expect Sleepy to drink heavily tonight)
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
It looks like rescinding the QO was a big mistake.
He chose to go to Charlotte over us. That move made no sense from the beginning.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 3:37 PM PST reply actions
Yep, you are right Gov, again. A bluff in the name of showbiz and PR!
Worse, they have always underestimated him. I bet Jordan and Si will turn him loose!
I think he wants the chance for lots of PT
I don’t think money was hiss biggest motivator
RIP Al Davis
i guarantee
money was the BIGGEST factor. for a player who was essentially playing for the minimum, and is a fringe NBA player – he needed that ONE contract to take care of him for the future.
5M gets it done.
I’m guessing W’s offer was prob 2 year/4M, or less.
Yeah, they saw Monta Ellis’ +/-. The Warriors don’t seem to pay much attention to that.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 14, 2011 10:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, isn't the whole reason we wasted an amnesty on Charlie Bell so that we could offer more $ for players?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions
Sad but true
DraftExpress said via twitter:
<Putting up numbers on a losing team where NOTHING’s asked of you defensively & you can take any shot you want doesn’t say much in my opinion>
<Every time Reggie Williams was asked to play real basketball (France 2008/2009, Spain earlier this year) he failed miserably. Big red flag.>
That’s actually very true
by Babyface Assassin on Dec 14, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions
I still haven’t figured out how to put the quotes on here, can someone tell me how?
by Babyface Assassin on Dec 14, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Haha.
He seems angry.
Too bad he always gives shitty scouting reports and the players he says are great don’t do shit.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Haha Turkey signed Deron Williams for like 3 mil… they must have kick as clubs in Istanbul.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like Givony, but he just doesn't watch the NBA that much.
It’s not like Williams put up a bunch of points on poor efficiency or with poor peripherals. He was off the charts in terms of scoring efficiency and did so while taking care of the ball and distributing fairly well.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
He did well in foreign countries
In college he didn’t have a good jump shot while he was in Europe he developed a killer jump shot and drastically improved his game.
His FG% was 50% in Europe how is that a failure, there is less scoring and less minutes to go around in the European League.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Reggie-Williams-1232/
When he played in France he did well too.
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003394
I have no idea what this guy is talking about, Reggie has been an offensive as far as efficiency for every level of professional basketball imaginable.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 14, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Marc Stein
ESPN sources: Clippers and NBA-owned Hornets have agreed to Chris Paul deal in principle. Gordon, Kaman, Aminu and Minnesota pick to Hornets
Wow.
Didn’t think they would include Gordon.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
At the end of the day he did whats best for him..
When we drafted Klay , I guess Reggie was already looking at the front door. Plus there’s Edwin Ubiles ,Chris Wright in the picture at reserve roles(if they survive post camp cuts) Riley knows Dorrell needs a legit backup but who do we go after now .But both guys were better suited to the play the 2 and at the expense of Defense at the 3.? Shawne Williams will probably return to the Knicks and if not go the Nets. There are teams with too many SG’s and SF’s.We can’t go into a regular season without 2 legit options at the 3, Dorrell can be streaky sometimes. I hope we don’t bring Al Thornton back, I like Steve Novak – a matt bonner type player, jamario moon was good when he playing with lebron and he was a globe trotter.. our free agent options are limited, james posey could return to old form or not(maybe theres a good reason he’s a free agent
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM PST reply actions
All of these Klay comments don't make sense.
The Warriors only depth at the 1-3 positions is a 2nd round pick and Klay Thompson. Reggie would be the only actual NBA player backing up the 1-3 spots, there’s no way he doesn’t see significant time (especially with how often Monta gets injured).
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i reckon Reggie needs to start
To really show his Real potential. He needs to ease into the game. Miss a few shots then get into his groove. We all know how hot he can be when he catches fire
I doubt he starts in Charlotte, though.
They seem committed to developing Gerald Henderson.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 14, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
No way he starts over Gerald, he’ll be their 6th man for sure. Klay can be better or worse, 1 thing he wont be is a worse defender.
Reggie's a lot better than Klay.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Klay's underwhelming numbers in college.
And that Reggie’s a pretty good player.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
hard to assess klay this early
But Reggie clearly showcased some of his potential in the NBA. Coach smart did not utilise him well.
Reggie is a good scorer
But I think you overestimate his talent. He’s not a complete player. We need a defensive wing now.
Damn
That sucks.. Good luck Reggie!
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
Off to Charlotte's site now
See you later, have fun being just good enough to not get a good draft pick but not good enough to make the playoffs again! :P
TRAVIS SCHLENK FINDS THESE PLAYERS, BUT IT DOESNT MATTER THAT WE DONT KEEP THEM, GO WARRIORS- JLogic
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
We have a D-League team, we can find other Reggie’s. Not a big deal. Edwin Ubiles or Chris Wright may be a better fit being that they are capable of playing small forward and defense.
Do you realize how hard it will be to find another Reggie?
He might be one of the top 3 guys ever found in the d-league.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
coach smart reaally stunted his growth
I have no doubt we are gonna regret losing his services
good for reggie
Anyone who’s mad about it, calm down. Players with reggies skill set are easy to replace see klay Thompson
by Xtremelink on Dec 14, 2011 5:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We'll see.
15 bucks Klay has a worse year than Reggie.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 14, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
klays a rookie, you may get your 15 dollars
But ill bet a paycheck that after two years lost will be better, by a lot
by Xtremelink on Dec 14, 2011 6:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
name another player
Whos on 2.5 mil who shoots 45% from downtown and has the ability to win games almost singlehandedly
The warriors have plenty of guys who shoot nice and don’t play defense.
by Xtremelink on Dec 15, 2011 12:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reggie's a good guy
He deserves to be on a team that will play him. He had no place on this team anymore with Klay here. The Warriors need a strong defensive wing and Reggie’s defense is atrocious, he should excel as a go-to scorer in Charlotte though.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 14, 2011 5:31 PM PST reply actions
Well... the Bobcats do need him more than the Warriors do
Seriously, look at their roster. Blegh.
Wow, I'm surprised that Warrior's fans don't like financial flexibility
I like Reggie and he was a useful bench piece, but the team just used the 11th pick in the draft on a player who should bring the exact same qualities to the team. No need to commit future money to a player who’s replacement was just drafted to the squad. I hope Reggie does well in Charlotte but he didn’t have a place on this team after this year and he seemed to know it. No need to give a multi-year contract to a redundant player, even if it is for small money.
It's not zero
I know it’s not a lot of money, but locking yourself into even small money on your 3rd string, offensive minded shooting guard isn’t really a great idea.
we locked klay into a longer contract for basically the same amount
and in all likelihood, klay will not be as good as reggie
If you think Klay sucks that's your opinion
I think Jerry West and Mark Jackson know more about basketball than you so I’m okay with the choice.
yup klay only put up weaker stats in the super strong pac 10
while reggie put up his better stats in the super soft nba.
does that sound about right?
Well, just have to wait to see what happens
I’d still rather bet on Klay than Reggie. Also, paying for both is still a bad idea, bringing back Reggie when Klay is already on the payroll is not a smart way to run a team. If you think Klay was a bad pick that’s one thing, if you think the Warriors should pay for both that a pretty hard opinion to defend.
Yes because we have such good depth behind Monta and Curry right?
Oh wait… (looks at depth chart). After Monta and Curry we only have Klay… man, it sure would be good to have an experienced, proven guard on the bench right now.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, I would love to have Reggie on the bench this year
Just not enough to guarantee him a spot on the team next year. I prefer flexibility to role players.
Except that
2.5 million per year is not a lot of money. We paid Kwame Brown seven million for no good reason because we needed to fill up the cap space. We were going to be under the cap this year anyways. I’m pretty sure we could spare 2.5 million for next year.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm more concerned about next year
Tying up cap space when only crap is on the market doesn’t bother me. Tying up cap space when we don’t know who is available is a problem. I guess you think the Warriors don’t need an extra 2.5M next year, but I don’t think you have really thought about what might be available next year.
I know who's out there in 2012
Chris Paul and Howard will be free agents in 2012. But we are not getting them. After that, it’s basically Gerald Wallace, Rony Turiaf, and a bunch of PGs we don’t need because we have Curry. After that it’s old aging stars. There aren’t a lot of big free agents in 2012 after Paul and Howard (assuming they don’t extend their contracts or anything like that). Kirk Hinrich is an interesting FA for 2012, though.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Don't give me any of the BS sarcasm
I’m saying that none of these players that we can go after are getting large contracts (if they do they will be overpaid). 2.5 million next year is not that big a deal.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry if I went into snarky mode
I just feel like Klay will be the Warriors scorer off the bench next year so spending money on Reggie will be redundant. I don’t like the idea of giving multi-year contracts to role players who won’t help the team reach the play-offs. I like it even less if the role player gives the same type of performance of someone the Warriors have already guaranteed money to.
So
What type of free-agent guard do you want as a backup? Because right now we only have three guards on the roster.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Well Charles Jenkins is on the roster
I think the better question is what free agent guard would you give a multi-year contract to?
arron afflalo
but you’d have to work out a sign and trade with denver
Not happening
They resigned Nene, they will resign Affalo. Nuggets are gunning for the championship.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
what do you consider reasonable?
i’d give him almost the equivalent of monta’s contract if theyd sign and trade for monta. do you think they would match 10-11M/year?
Wow so Charles Jenkins is our fourth guard
I guess we can expect Curry and Monta to play 35+ minutes this year. And Dorell Wright can play 40+ minutes because we also have no damn backup small forward either. This whole offseason is a joke, really.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Deshawn Stevenson, Anthony Parker, and Willie Green are our realistic options. Aka a loose cannon, a player who is old as dirt, and a bad player in general.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
None of those guys is worth a multi-year contract
I’m guessing you forgot about that part of my comment.
No that is what I meant by my comment
I meant to imply that all these players sucked, and that our fourth SG is most likely to be Charles Jenkins.
Also, SF is our larger problem. There are no small forwards on the market who are even backup quality. Dorell Wright will be playing 40+ minutes again.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Reggie Williams is an SF
I’d be willing to bet money that Dorell Wright doesn’t play 40+ minutes a game. Is that what you really think?
Nice job trying to change the subject that none of the available guards who are better than Jenkins and Thompson would sign for one year.
Hmmm?
Didn’t I just say that I agreed with you?
our fourth SG is most likely to be Charles Jenkins
I’m just saying that I noticed our SF also has a gaping hole
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure how we got into angry time
My initial post was about how the Warriors shouldn’t waste money on a shooting guard, I always wanted the team to sign a 3 who could defend.
This whole reply thread started because I would rather see the warriors sign a 3 who could defend over giving a 2 year contract to Reggie Williams.
Yes, because college statistics transfer directly over to the NBA.
And yes, because stats tell the whole story.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Look, the reality is that in a normal season, the vast majority of your swingman minutes go to three players.
The team is expecting that to be Monta, Klay, and Dorell. This season in particular I’d like to have another body there, but ideally somebody bigger, who’s focus is on defense.
Jeeze – I mean, what, people were horribly upset that we made a $10m per offer to DJ. That’s a little high, but is it $2.5m too high? And here you want to throw that money at a player who will probably see only scrub minutes. $2.5m on a player you won’t play is exactly the same mistake as $10m for a player who only deserves $7.5
In any event, this reminds me of Morrow, or CJ. People cried bloody murder when they were allowed to get away – and yet it turns out that we didn’t really miss them at all. One-dimensional swingmen, it turns out, aren’t that hard to find.
I like Reggie. I would have been happy if he was still a Warrior. But if the guy wants to go somewhere that’s going to give him minutes, the team should do the right thing and let him go somewhere that’s going to give him minutes.
You were never a Reggie fan Ronaldhino....scrub minutes for Reggie was Golden States' "experimental" coaching staff's decisions....That is why one is already out of a job, and Mr. Showbiz is sure to follow....Only time Reggie started over 6-7 games,
he put up 20 points per game (when Curry was hurt). That is why Jordan and Silas are light years ahead in assessing talent and managing the dollars than this FO will ever be!
I was never a Reggie fan?
Huh.
I argued that there would be almost no dropoff if he started over Monta. I argued vociferously that his performance made Monta’s overuse last year all the more indefensible.
But the reality is, on this team, if they’re high on Klay, he’s the 4th swingman. And you generally only give real minutes to three swingmen barring injury or foul trouble.
Nonsense. Just used him in your sick-out-with-Monta routine. Reggie over Monta! Are you serious?
The answer always was Reggie, Monta, and Curry on the floor at the same time with a solid big man/Udoh and Lee! Inside-outside killer five! Freaking Smart wouldn’t even play it! Wright was never as efficient as Reggie. He should have been coming off the bench! Too late now….let’s see what Si does with him!
actually
the correct answer was arguably steph, reggie, dorell, lee, udoh.
reggie may have been more efficient than dorell, but dorell is certainly a much better defender. the same cannot be said about monta. putting steph, monta, and reggie on the floor at the same time would have been horrible to watch.
and this is the scenario that ronaldinho has argued in the past
i can vouch for that.
Yeah was reading that crap for a year: Monta off the bench, and Dorell on the floor with Reggie! Without Monta, slashing, scoring,
capability and threat, good luck on getting the same kick-out, quality, 3point and 2point shots with Curry trying to distribute!
first of all, reggie is a 2, not a 3
second of all, dorell played defense, reggie and monta didnt
third, you argue that reggie should have played over dorell because he was more efficient offensively, yet you argue that monta should have been on the floor when both reggie AND dorell were more efficient than him.
Couldn't have been as bad as what we saw! Dorell got the 3pt record with the lowest
shooting efficiency of any of our 3pt shooters! Zillion of missed shots, and second-most playing time only to Monta! Reggie had to sit and watch while we lost at least 10 critical, winnable, games at crunch time; games that would have gotten us to the playoffs! Nothing that team accomplished was based on the defensive premise! Good luck waiting on our rookie saviors to “develop” to Reggie’s or Rad’s capabilities. Heck, if the FO avoids further dumb mistakes, we should be in a rebuilding mode for, yet, another two years!
dorell still made 3s at an above average percentage
high volume 3pt shooters tend to make a lower percentage of 3s when they take more. not everyone is stephen curry.
Yeah. Actually, his season was pretty remarkable.
In the history of the NBA, 47 players have attempted over 500 three pointers in a season. Dorell’s 2010 season ranks 19th in terms of percentage (right behind two seasons from a guy named Ray Allen). That’s pretty good for his first time as a volume shooter.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 15, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Steph, Monta, Reggie than Steph, Monta, and a terrible player.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
I am sooo happy for Reggie! The possibilities are sooo intriguing! MJ knows basketball talent, and Si has proven he can draw it out!
Besides, that part of the country knows Reggie well! Two years for Reggie to get up to where he can be in this league! Hope all goes well for him. He really deserves it for all the crap he went through to get there! In practice with Silas, and under the watchful eye of MJ; sometimes, I am told MJ puts on sweats! Man, that’s like being an angel and being mentored , personally, by God!
Steph, Monta, Reggie, and Lee .... I've got to ask you a question:
Are you aware that the events that happen on both sides of the court affect the outcome of the game?
(In any event, I was rebutting a specific charge you made, and you’re responding here with something totally irrelevant. What lineups you think Smart should have played is not relevant to whether or not I was a Reggie fan or not. Try to keep up with the sub-threads you yourself start).
I think the issue is that the day before this news breaks, the Warriors overpay Kwame Brown to get to the salary floor.
Instead of dumping that much money on a 5th big (!), I think a lot of people would’ve rather seen a small bit go toward the insanely thin backup 1-3 spots.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 15, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think you understand the financial situation
Spending on the backcourt would be a bad idea. Just have to avoid multi-year contracts.
You have this misguided notion that the Warriors will be in play for a big FA next off-season.
That just isn’t the case.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 15, 2011 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
I'll really miss Reggie.
Other than being a deadly shooter, I was waiting for the day he would become some kind of a defender with that wingspan of his. Best of luck to him. Let’s hope Klay can fill his void and then some.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Dec 14, 2011 10:52 PM PST reply actions
I hope Klay can defend better than what the college scouting reports say.
Klay does have the size, hopefully with experience he will get better.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
Good luck Reggie!!
He’s earned it, and hopefully his run with the bobcats turns out successful for him. I see no place for him on the Warriors roster, and now I have a reason to watch bobcat games.
Reggie out 6-8 weeks with a meniscus tear
http://twitter.com/#!/rick_bonnell/status/147444232653774848 Lets just say we dodged a bullet there
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