PRESEASON RECAP #1: Golden State Warriors 107, Sacramento Kings 97- NBA basketball is BACK!!
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 17, 2011 10:20 PM PST
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The Warriors soon to be backup center has a Funleavy Foto moment.
Sure it's a meaningless preseason game, but man am I happy that the NBA and Warriors basketball are back. JUMP for a few quick thoughts!
Warriors Game Notes
- First things first. Andris Biedrins did not look good out there tonight. He wasn't aggressive overall, didn't show any indication that he worked on his offensive skills, and racked up 5 fouls in about 16 minutes of play. But I guess it's Don Nelson's fault right? It's just silly that the Warriors did not use their Get Out of Jail card on him with the amnesty the past week.
- On the completely opposite end of the spectrum it was good to see Ekpe Udoh out there tonight. He had a few nice moves around the bucket and brought his usual solid defense. If he can pick up his rebounding (unlikely unfortunately), there's no reason why he shouldn't be getting more minutes than Biedrins. Udoh also looks a lot stronger, especially his upper frame. Working on your game in the offseason- what a concept! Biedrins- take notes.
- Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry just flowed so well together tonight. I know the preseason doesn't exactly bring out the defensive intensity in NBA players, but Ellis and Curry looked fantastic on offense together.
- Klay Thompson didn't have the best shooting night, but he looked like he belonged out there. He didn't have the deer in headlights look that many rookies have. His J looks smooth. Thanks to the Warriors free agency and trade strike-outs this offseason, Thompson is likely going to get big minutes off the bench, so this is a good sign.
Kings Game Notes
- Jimmer Freddette looks like he can score in this league. Who knows if it's just a fluke, but 21 points on 11 shots ain't bad at all.
- Marcus Thornton could be a big fantasy hoops sleeper this season.
- DeMarcus Cousins didn't play tonight, but if he's in as good of shape as Bob and Jim mentioned tonight- watch out. The only thing holding Cousins back now is a little too much mental craziness. Cousins is skilled and athletic.
- Tyreke Evans looked out of control way too often (5 turnovers). He puts up numbers and I know he's a solid player, but for some reason I just don't enjoy watching him play. Maybe I'm just still bitter.
Come on! It's the preseason. This award is too prestigious for the preseason. Check back on opening night.
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Everything is RACIST.
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 17, 2011 10:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
. He wasn’t aggressive overall,
Lies, total lies. He was super active on defense
RIP Al Davis
by dubzfan on Dec 17, 2011 10:26 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Agreed..
… he didn’t stuff the stats, but he was workin down there.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 17, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
agreed.
beans was changing shots, forcing extra passes and steals.
beans looked plenty of agressive.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 17, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, he looked like he was aggressive or at least "earnest".
However he was jumping and bumping around with a bit of that Andris “jittery” look on his face….hope to see him settle into a focused, veteran, mean "get it done " persona…..sighhhhh…
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Lies, total lies
Are you accusing Atma of being biased against Beans?
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Unthinkable! Atma LOVES big, goofy white guys and appreciates defense so much. Wait…
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
by Naticus on Dec 18, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I liked Tyler tonight.
CJ looks good.
Klay looks like once he settles down he can be good.
Udohs lookin good.
Need more Ellis nights like this.
If Cousins was in this would have been a tight game.
I was hoping to see what our bigs looked like with Cousins on the floor.
If Cousins was in this would have been a tight game.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 18, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Ya true.. Maybe we get that next game!
I think we looked really good in the beggining rotation wise.. Its like as some guys started getting subbed in there wasnt any sort of felt dropoff in our game. We just started putting tougher bench in for our soft starters.. It was fun.. We really went to a game management mode (kinda choked at that) and rode the lead the whole way.
Plenty of holes to address of course
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
way to go Atma
keep up your hate warm
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
by Lat We N Trash on Dec 17, 2011 10:31 PM PST reply actions
Biedrins looked good
His stat line might not be crazy but he hustled and changed shots in his limited playing time. Im not worried about the fouls because some of those calls were preseason ref calls. They’ll let that contact fly in the reg. season.
Jackson had a great post game interview. Sounds like a coach players will listen to. Idk about the negativity of the pregame post by atma. He knows how to turn Warriors news tus into Warriors blues.
It smells like hope in this mug
by danielholl on Dec 17, 2011 10:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Totally agreed
the Hustle of Beans means a lot. That what Mark Jackson wants him to be anyways
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
I am worried about the fouls
They don’t even have a real center and he can’t guard without fouling. It’s kind of embarassing.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 19, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
that's ok
we paid $8 mil to the Big Splash just so we have another 6 fouls available
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that answers my question
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Also
Perhaps that opens up the depth chart for Jeremy Tyler to play more.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I would love to see him get more and more minutes.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 17, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I really like how he took it to the hole a couple times. one was after sort of a loose ball and he
got it near the freethrow line and quickly went straight to the hole for easy layup.. very athletic!
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 18, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
enough bigs
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
by Lat We N Trash on Dec 17, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a good pickup...
…. we have no depth on the wings.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 17, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
i know brandon rush is a 3-point shooter
i think thats all i saw him being used for in indiana, but then again i dont really watch all their games. anyone know if he’s any good on defense?
>:(
He was their guy they'd put on the opposing teams best SG
He was on Monta every time we played
He’s a solid defender who can hit 3’s . Basically a younger Bogans
RIP Al Davis
OMG
No way.
I suggested this to a friend. “we should trade Lou. We got a lot of bigs, maybe someone like indiana with alot of wings can use him. Someone like Brandon Rush for Lou is fair”
Wow…
I really wish i posted it yesterday just to prove it.
Great trade
A solid SG/SF. Good defender, good shooter. Cheap, gives us much needed depth.
Handsome too. If we can’t win, i’d atleast like a good excuse to put the game on around my lady with minimal complaints.
Good defender might be a stretch but he's better than anyone we got besides McGuire.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
good in GSW context
competent might be more adequate term in terms of NBA as a whole.
However he’s got the tools to be better.
Importance aspect of trade
Rarely can you trade a 1 for a 7. Major upgrade in looks department.
What REALLY matters
Marcus Thornton could be a big fantasy hoops sleeper this season.
"I didn't hold up no middle fingers. My middle finger is crooked so it sticks out. Maybe that's what was showing." -Metta World Peace
by Butterknuckles on Dec 17, 2011 11:26 PM PST reply actions
Is he a sleeper?
qI think most people know about him.
Then again my fantasy league has 4 sac kings fans, so any GSW/Kings player will naturally be overvalued.
I need a bobcats or bucks sleeper.
When Reggie comes back
he’ll be Bobcats leading scorer.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2011 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I was honestly waiting for your reply on this with regards to Reggie
I’m bummed he is hurt. I was planning on buying him in my auction for like $2.
Now I just need to keep on top of the waiver wire
Yeah i think he's gonna make some noise this season.
Especially with more minutes + touches.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Whats their starting line up?
Augustin, Kemba, Maggette, Tyrus, Diop?
Yes…. I think Anthony Davis will be a bobcat.
I heard 300 pound Boris Diaw is starting at center.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, forgot about Diaw, a TAFKA all-star
Big, versatile, skilled all around game. Prefers being lazy and sitting on perimeter shooting 3s and not rebounding. Amazing.
He + Al Harrington are a dream front court.
My thoughts on the game
1. Monta was the best player on the floor. I was in LOVE with his game. The controlled play. Setting everyone up, making everyone better etc. I realize Steph is probably better, and one day we’ll trade Monta, but until then I’ll love his game. such a joy.
2. I have faith in our coaches! The play calling, the defense. Great. Rotation, we’ll find out about when it counts. But man, Jackson/Malone etc., I feel like they stole my diary. Running Curry/Klay off the double screen (thank you). Getting Monta to facilitate better. The trap on D. Finding a way to get the Warriors to play defense but still push the tempo.
3. Curry was WAY more aggressive offensively. I love it! You could tell today the smart effect. From Nellie to Smart to Jackson you see a different player. I’m now probably gonna go all-in in my fantasy auction draft for Curry in the first round. He should be an all-star this year if we progress as a team.
4. Klay was good. His shot didn’t fall but his overall game was good. He belongs. He can pass, he can drive, his D wasn’t bad. I think a big key to him is coaching from his rookie year. Something some of our other players weren’t privy to.
5. Jenkins is good. I like him. I expect to see him getting heavy minutes by late season.
6. Udoh can be counted on to be our productive 3rd big. Good offensive game. Good D. Still not in love with rebounding. With the questions at 5, we need Udoh to continue to be productive and give us 20 mpg (minimum) if we want to make a run
6. Andris still sucks. Honestly, his only basket was a beautiful gift from Monta. Andris, has to be more aggressive. IF he can be SEMI aggressive, we’ll be a playoff team
7. DLee looked rusty, but overall ok. He does do a lot of positive things. Not 80 mil positive, but positive.
Overall, I’m excited for season. I think we can make the playoffs, which will be good. Overall to make next step we need roster upgrades, but cap flexibility + increasing player value thru gopd coaching and winning is a positive way to make it happen.
by tafkasam on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Beans was good on defense and tipped out a lot of boards
\His offense if it came would just be an added bonus to a dangerous offense already
RIP Al Davis
Agreed on all points
I was very pleasantly surprised by Monta’s play in particular. We’ll see if it holds when games actually matter, but I loved the way he played out there.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
A younger Bogans?
He’s a NCAA Champion with Kansas in 2008. What did Keith Bogans do in college? Can’t we claim him off waivers and keep lou. I Really like Lou , but we do need a bigger 2 guard…
Lee did not look rusty at all , he seemed confident with the post and did you see the behind back to dribble to hoop nasty. Mcguire impressed me as well as Jenkins. I still wanna see more of Ubiles and the potentially grat KHAZZOUUU oh and Steph isn’t better than Monta not yet. plus if you remember last season its was monta not steph who kept the warriors in the game by pushing it to overtime. @ OKC and Philly
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 17, 2011 11:30 PM PST reply actions
I thought Lee looked pretty gassed
Compared to rest of our starters. And his shot was off.
Otherwise he was very good.
@Monta/Steph. I don’t disagree with your point. But I think in their case, Steph needs to take more shot, where as monta needs to take less… which speaks to which player is better on a higher useage. I love Monta when he’s a bit more under control, and scores in rythym as opposed to forcing it. He’s a lot more talented than his last couple years numbers suggest.
You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life. As a slightly undersized 4, I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want to be at least a little bit stronger and/or leaner. That behind the back to floater move was embarrassing. Most importantly, I wish my gf didn’t flop her arms like soggy noodles and yell “Spagget!” every time he touched the ball…at games.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 18, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Just to be fair to Bogans
He was the SEC player of the year in 2003. The Wildcats went 16-0 in conference that year and to the Elite 8. He was a very good college player.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Well maybe this B.Rush Trade...
could be the solution.. build a strong core of guards Jenkins,Klay,Ellis,Curry,Ish Smith and Rush it would give us more to talk about than just Monta/Steph
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 17, 2011 11:36 PM PST reply actions
This is the second time I;ve said this in my career here at GSoM.
But tell me why as soon as I read the first part abut Biedrins, I knew it was published by Atma.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Dec 17, 2011 11:37 PM PST reply actions
I am a live and die Warriors fan....
But goddamn Jimmer looked good tonight….gonna be a good player for years
yes
I’d like to congratulate Sacramento on having their own version of Monta and Curry in the form of Evans and Jimmer.
ya
the kings remind me of the warriors the last couple years, seems like theyll be a mediocre team, maybe playoffs in the next2 years.
by gswarriors12 on Dec 18, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
I’d like to congratulate Sacramento on having their own version of Monta and Curry in the form of Evans and Jimmer.
great sarcasm!!
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Dude… The Jimmer had an amazing opening night. He’ll never be the passer Curry is but… dude. Also, I think Evans would be much, much better to have than Monta. Really, their backcourt has the potential to be better than ours given some time.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Dude… The Jimmer had an amazing opening night
But you don’t congratulate someone for coming down with the same problem you have.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
The Warriors defense was actually more than adequate for the most part
The Jimmer just made a bunch of really difficult shots. He showed why he was drafted so high.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
With Brandon Rush
Highly doubtful one of our d-league swingmen make the team now. Was kinda rooting for Ubiles too.
Guess I’ll root for Khazzou to be our d-league bench guy this year.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
They might
15 players make roster-
Curry, Monta, Dorell, Lee, Biedrins, Jenkins, Ish, Macguire, Udoh, Kwame, Klay are givens. That’s 11. Then you have Rush, Tyler.. 13
Hmmm
PG – Curry/Jenkins/Smith
SG – Monta/Klay
SF – Dorell/Rush/McGuire
PF – Lee/Udoh/Tyler
C – Beans/Kwame
13 players
So…one of those guys is gonna have to be in a suit already, with Smith and Tyler probably being the likely guys, and potentially 2 more spots for our training camp invitees. Really think they’ll go into the season with the full 15 man roster?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ish is my guess for the suit until him or Tyler go to the D league for a short stint
Maybe both go down even
RIP Al Davis
Yeah.
Our team is pretty much set with McGuire being the team’s small ball 4.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I hope they leave one roster spot open!!
We always seem to screw ourselves mid-season when we can’t sign a player we need because roster spots are taken up by guys like Law and and Bell
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What about Khazou? That dude’s hair alone with the beard and mustache? We need that dude.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Perhaps the league will let the team carry him as the the 16th man under the little-used “Cabarkapa Exception”
Man, I don’t care nothing about no Mike Montgomery.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 18, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
Article 1.a The party of the first party will be eligible to sign the party of the second party if the collective hair/beard length of the party of the second party exceeds 6 inches.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jimmer's all that he was made out to be...
but a lot of rookies have been impressive in this preseason maybe we could expect more of it.. If the trade is just a swap B.Rush for Lou then maybe Ubiles could stay and we could have both. Im all for keeping Khazzou
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 PM PST reply actions
Wolves will be fun to watch
Rubio, Barea, Williams, Beasley, Love
I wish Nellie was hired.
Adelman is good too.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Derrick Williams looks good
I’ll be curious to see if he can play 3 though.
Offensively he’ll be fine. His 3-pointers are falling even at the NBA range so far. It’s the defensive end where things get a bit iffy.
the wolves will be all offense
no defense. (with the exception of love)
they’ll put up some serious points tho
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 18, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
i hope you're just referring to his rebounding
no defense. (with the exception of love)
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Love’s D looked pretty solid in that game. He’s always been able to hold position fairly well, but that night he was doing a much better job contesting shots too. He’ll see plenty of minutes at the 5 and is capable of being a plus defender there (or at the 4, depending on the matchup, really).
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
We talking about the same player?
I didn’t get to see this one game, but I saw a good amount of him last year. The defense was worse than what I’ve come to expect from the Warriors
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
better shooter/scorer too
but i dont see any difference defensively. they both suck
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
well love is just below average
lee might be the worst in the league
From what I’ve heard, Love plays pretty intelligent defense. He tends to stand in the right places, basically.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
He doesn’t get bullied in the post, either. His strength is his strength, defensively. In that preseason game, though, he actually was pretty dang active. He did a solid job all night. He’s not Dwight Howard, but he looked like he really wanted to be a factor defensively. And seeing more time at the 5 this year will only play to what he does well defensively, while masking his deficiencies. The Wolves still need a rim protector, though.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
How did you manage to watch the Wolves last night..I could not find it anywhere?
I even bought NBA league pass but no preseason games?
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 18, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
this surprised me
barea really provided that offensive punch that rubio lacks. good signing by them
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 18, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Dorell was the only Warrior that disappointed me tonight
He often took bad contested jumpers, pump faked too often and yielded no benefits from it, and seemed to be lost in the offense. Hopefully Coach Jackson will find a more defined role for him this year, since Wright seems to be stuck in the “free reign mode” that Keith Smart instilled in him.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 17, 2011 11:46 PM PST reply actions
it made me so happy to see the DWright pump fake - really felt like Dubs bball was back!
such a wise move for a guy known as a spot-up shooter
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still on edge about this trade though
I think Rush could be the player we need to add depth.. but to give Indiana a guy like Lou they’re gonna be nasty, its gonna suck to play them.I wasn’t feeling Dorell’s shot selection either, he’s been playin charity games all summer its probably something he used to hitting
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 17, 2011 11:48 PM PST reply actions
lol you're worried about making Indiana nasty with Lou Amundson?
We will never play them more than twice in a season (a Warriors-Pacers Finals is not gonna happen haha) and Brandon Rush makes us better.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I think they're assuming McGuire/Kwame can
take Lou’s place as post defender and rebounder but B.Rush is more of shooting guard than a 3…the kings ran 3 guards and it seemed to work
by Garrett Flippin on Dec 17, 2011 11:53 PM PST reply actions
I had a good time watching the game, and I’m glad the lockout is over. There were a lot of positives to be taken from the way the team looked tonight.
If the rest of the NBA plays like the Kings, we’re a lock to make the playoffs. Do you guys remember Pooh Jeter lighting us up last preseason? Or Marcus Thornton’s big night (I think 42 points) against us? I wouldn’t put too much stock into anything I saw in tonight’s game.
I’m sorry if I remain skeptical. There were definitely some positive signs. The team tried pretty hard on defense, and they showed some discipline on offense too.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 18, 2011 12:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions
im with you there.
mainly, what we saw from this game and probably the second game is the outing of the rookies. if we were to be competitive, im sure the game would be more intact and less mistake prone. But hey, its whatevs.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 18, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
I always liked Tim Pickett.
Absolute monster his last season at FSU.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 18, 2011 12:22 AM PST reply actions
i'll tell you what
i think most of the other trade monta supporters would agree with me, if he plays the way he did tonight i would love to have him on this team. i can’t really put much stock into a preseason game against the kings tho
If he shoots 73%, he can stay.
He’ll have to grab a rebound or two, though.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 18, 2011 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, at 73% shooting, I'd be ok with zero rebounds
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 10:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m on the trade Monta bandwagon, because he usually doesn’t play like he did tonight.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 18, 2011 1:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But if he does, it'd be huge for the team.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Dec 18, 2011 2:38 AM PST up reply actions
he said he was gonna be a different monta
it that seems true. i seriously think we could b playoff contenders w/ an ok center and kwame coming off the bench. f__k the knicks, tyson was about to sign here…. lol. but back to monta, he played very controlled out there. i loved the way he played
by gswarriors12 on Dec 18, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
If he had a few more inches in height and reach with the same agility.
He would be the superstar we need.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 18, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
I agree 100%
We’ll see what happens when a nationally televised game is on the line, though.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Cousins and Hayes were both out
as was Brown of course. the teams would be pretty close, except the coaching edge goes to Jackson/Malone ; they probably also have players more receptive to coaching. Udoh’s rebounding rate was barely acceptable — for a 2-guard, but in the absence of Sac’s two best centers the home team had a significant advantage in boards anyway.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
Udoh’s rebounding rate was barely acceptable — for a 2-guard,
As always, his defense creates rebounding opportunities for teammates.
I'm beginning to buy it
Do you haver any numbers to support it for last night?
Well we outrebounded them 47-32.
Who knows how much of that was directly caused by Udoh?
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 18, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
would it be possible to see the rebounding advantage when he was on the court? Like rebounding +/-
Is that stat kept anywhere? I feel like that could be useful
by scraider on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
It’s almost impossible to grab a rebound right after jumping for a block. And Udoh likes to go for the block. He’s always paired with either Lee or Biedrins, who are both good rebounders.
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 18, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
except the coaching edge goes to Jackson/Malone
don’t know about that. Westphall has way more experience than Jackson and Smart has decent experience so you are putting a lot of emphasis on our new assistant coach malone and it’s probably not a good thing to think your assistant coach is your best feature? isn’t that sorta like sayin we don’t have good starters but we got a great bench??
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I was happiest with Udoh. His rebounds were in traffic, and he didn’t bobble. Quality rebounds. Plus, he scored well! Huge bonus. Great game overall for much of our team. Khazzou gets bonus points for a great last name and great facial hair.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
I watched a few of Udoh's post moves on replay
because they were so sweet
his first move: a short hop step towards the middle, and then a pivot back for the up and under layup…very, very nice
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I've largely given up on Biedrins
But Atma’s hate still bugs me. Not aggressive? Were we watching the same game?
by Killjoy on Dec 18, 2011 7:37 AM PST via mobile reply actions
2 points in 16 minutes?
Took 3 whopping shots, which is on par with his last 2 amazing seasons of averaging an attempt every 6 minutes.
Offensive he was still a gigantic passenger and he D is nowhere near good enough to justify that (as always). He put in the defensive effort last year. Still got taken by the rim many times.
5 rebounds in 16 minutes is acceptable rate, but again, doesn’t justify the rest of his short comings.
A lot of fake Hustle in my book. It’s just 1 preseason game, and i’ll admit he looked more dialed in than last year but the performance was still more or less last year’s Andris.
I know I have a short temper with him, but can you blame me? All he’s done the last two years is generally insult GSW fans with his lack of effort.
by tafkasam on Dec 18, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
2 points in 16 minutes?
Tyson Chandler = 4pts and 4 rebs in 27minutes
pretty comparable -isn’t it?
Even if you do succeed most people wouldn't notice anyway.
by Lat We N Trash on Dec 18, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Chandler doesn't need to inspire confidence in anyone.
He showed what he could do.
So just like that kind of game for Chandler in the pre-season won’t change my mind about him, neither will one from Biedrins like this.
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Beans stock is rising one way or the other, I think I still like him as a 2nd string..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 18, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
He may start but he won't finish
They will always put someone else in at the end (Udoh, Brown).
by Critical Roach on Dec 18, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
this
back to the age old question: would you rather be the first starter pulled off the floor, or the first guy off the bench
if the coaching staff knows what’s up, Udoh should always get more minutes than Beans
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
He didn't lack in effort last night
And 2 points ? I don’t care for that if he’s rebounding and playing defense
RIP Al Davis
Still saw a bad foul and a double dribble TO by Curry.
Those are his weak areas. It’s not like Smart’s rotation was the only reason Curry didn’t play a ton of minutes. He was in foul trouble quite a bit.
And PGs aren’t supposed to double dribble. I’d like to at least see his turnovers be due to no look passes that an open Biedrins wasn’t ready for. Some turnovers are more disheartening to see than others.
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by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 18, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions
However, he can shoot.
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by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 18, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Steph also had that stupid move on a fast break
weak ass failed lob (blocked into the stands) instead of taking it to the hole
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
i think its safe to assume that kwame should perform better than beans
and if the rest of the team can perform the way they did last night (especially ME8), than we could be seeing some stay competitive against a lot of team this season
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
i'm watching this timberwolves recap
and they look scary good…. love lost weight and now he can hit threes left and right?
also, i think i underestimated rubio. the rubio/williams tag team will be alley oop central this year
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
That title belongs to Chris Paul and Blake Griffin
but otherwise I agree… The Wolves are extremely deep with a lot of very talented players.
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Watching the replay
Jenkins is a good pick. Good backup PG, athletic, got basketball IQ
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Andris Biedrins did not look good out there tonight
i disagreed Beans is decent out there. Got a couple of rebound, a lot of hustle. Which is I think is good.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Talking with my friends about last nights game
And were wondering where all the, “trade monta klay thompson is our SG of the future” talk has gone?
Huh?
Most of us have been expecting Klay to struggle. The notion that there was some big upswell of pro-Klay sentiment is just sort of bizzare.
Or is your point that Monta had a good game? Monta has had lots of good games. The problem is that he’s also had plenty of terrible ones.
You're a tough customer, R
Monta didn’t just have another good game, he played the kind of game you (and others) have been asking for. Good pct, didn’t hog the the ball, ok defense. Looked to me like he was buying in to a more team oriented scheme. How bout just a little positive attitude, instead of the same old song?
by TrueGSfan on Dec 18, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
monta has played "team oriented" games before
that doesn’t mean he’s going to do it every night just because he did it once. we want to see him do it every night
Cmon BK
One game at a time. 11 shots in 33min vs 17 for Curry i n 31 min. 8 v 6 assists. One game at a time. Positive attitude, please!
i am encouraged to see monta play a game like that
but my stance on needing to trade monta isn’t going to go away because of 1 game, which is what the initial poster was suggesting.
Fair enough
I think Monta can adapt, though its pretty clear no one else on this team can make their own shots. Curry’s a great shooter, but he’s not going to create his own shot very often. Trade Monta for someone who can? I’m down for that. A great center? God knows we’ve needed one forever. But you have to have somebody who can threaten the defense enough to free up some shots. Don’t see many candidates on the current squad.
ideally if you're trading monta
you’re trading him for a center or a bigger, better 2 guard.
And I think you’re wrong about curry. He is very good at creating his own shot. In fact, he performs better than monta in isolation situations.
Monta...zero rebounds
before you get all ahead of yourselves, just remember that as awesome as Monta is to watch, there will always be some fairly severe deficiencies with his overall game
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
there will always be some fairly severe deficiencies with his overall game
you could say that about 90% of the rest of the league. Good, well balanced, do everything players are few and far between
by JustSomeName on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
true
just wanted to toss a wrench into the machine before it got going too fast.
I do love the rest of his stat line though. And I do think him and Steph are going to work together much better this year
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah… noticed that, too. He has a hard time putting everything together consistently. How about a lot of assists AND a few rebounds next time. Still, his assists really helped compensate, so it’s not big deal, as long as he’s not selfish. When he’s unselfish, he seems to help us.
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How bout just a little positive attitude, instead of the same old song?
I had a positive attitude last preseason, didn’t amount to much.
I would be proclaiming “Biedrins is back” after one really good game, either.
It was one preseason game against a terrible Kings team. You sound like you want to throw him a parade.
How bout just a little positive attitude, instead of the same old song?
haha, positive attitudes come after the season has been rung up not before.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Trade Monta. Klay isn’t our SG of the future.
There. Fixed.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 18, 2011 1:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
How about Rush being our future SG and trading Monta for a draft pick and junk?
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
How about we don’t have our future SG yet, but we’re working on it. I like that.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 18, 2011 11:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
How about Rush being our future SG and trading Monta for a draft pick and junk?
Works for me. if we can somehow trade David Lee for a 1st, even better. :D
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by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
I'm glad to admit I'm encouraged by last night's win
I’ve been pretty hard on the franchise lately so I’ll admit I’m glad they made me eat my words last night. We’ll see how they do once the season starts, but they’ve earned some of my respect back for now.
Monta and Steph are pretty dope in that backcourt, easily worth building around IMHO.
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 18, 2011 4:40 PM PST reply actions
so....what's up with Kwame?
DNP coach’s decision?
anyone know why he didn’t play at all?
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several reports indicated that Brown isn't ready physically
with his conditioning. the coaches were disappointed that the team didn’t sustain the defensive pace established in the first half, so he isn’t the only one needing work in that area, but he does have plenty of body mass to keep moving.
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thanks
seems weird though…is this a punitive move?
at least give the big fella 5 minutes
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Trade Monta bandwagon?
I always laugh when people want to trade Monta so bad. Having watched Monta through out his career there has been ups and down, but you will not find a better shooting guard for the money. Don be brainwashed by the local media ( your Tim kawakami and Ethan Sherwood Strauss types) they write some of the most ridicuslouy backwards article, and Strauss has publicly has came out and stated he hates Monta Ellis. How about supporting he players and team they currently got and stop falling in line with all he high school drama the media likes to create.
by Coldlampin on Dec 19, 2011 3:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Having watched Monta through out his career there has been ups and down, but you will not find a better shooting guard for the money
your watching skills need training .
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol I forgot you were funny.
take notes
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting point of view
Hmm… Afflalo is good, but I’d take Monta on the warriors over Aaron. Afflalo lacks the explosiveness that Monta posses and Monta is pretty much the only warrior that has ability to take the ball to the hoop and score at will. Affalo is more of a complimentary role player, which the warriors need badly. I’ll take him as 6th man.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 1:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
the warriors have plenty of players that can get ot the rim
monta is just the only one that tries to doit against set defenses
Plenty of players?
Not sure what team you’ve been watching the last couple years. The main reason Monta drives against set defense often and successfully is the lack of movement from his team off the ball. Monta usually drives to break down the defense to create a shot for him or another player. Monta would of been averaging 7-8 assist last year if Curry, Wright, Lee weren’t so streaky. I think this year you will see Monta’s assist go up as Curry is starting to come into his game.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The main reason Monta drives against set defense often and successfully is the lack of movement from his team off the ball.
first of all, he’s less successful than you think. secondly, the ball moves perfectly fine when monta is off the floor.
Monta usually drives to break down the defense to create a shot for him
or another player.
fixed your quote there. it’s pretty hard to set up open players when you drive with your head down.
Monta would of been averaging 7-8 assist last year if Curry, Wright, Lee weren’t so streaky.
being streaky has no effect on overall numbers, just the consistency with how you get those numbers. therefore, expecting monta’s assist numbers to increase is just silly.
I think this year you will see Monta’s assist go up as Curry is starting to come into his game.
curry was really good offensively last year. how much more do you think he’s going to improve? expecting a big jump in efficiency is just not logical for a player who already has a near-elite TS%.
Really, what the heck have you've been watching.
Ellis is ranked 14th in the league for combined points/assist/rebounds. Averages more assist than any off guard. Everybody holds him to the fire for defense, while he is not a premier defender, he plays and tries harder than any other player on his team. People seem to give Steph the get out of jail free card too often. I love Steph Curry, but he makes very bad passes and his defense in notrociuos. What cha basketball with an open mind for Christ’a sake.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Based on what
Last year, Ray Allen stastically was consider in the top 3 for shooting guards defense in the league. If you have followed Ray Allen career the stat is shocking, Ray has always been none as a lousy defender, but he’s has improved his stats. Maybe it’s being on the celtics where their team plays better help defense. If Monta and Ray Allen trades places, I guarantee you would see Monta’s defense ratings go up and Ray’s go down. Come on dude, watch more basketball and be stoked on Monta and the warriors.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 2:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
there is not a single defensive measure that says monta even resembles a capable defender except "steals"
and anyone with half a brain can tell you that steals do not equal defense
Last year, Ray Allen stastically was consider in the top 3 for shooting guards defense in the league.
according to what???
Stats
Ray Allen
ppp: .79
iso ppp: .80
opp fg%: 35.6
%scored: 35.8
Help rating: .01
The big picture here are these stats were not achieved by Ray Allen alone, he had a solid team of defenders backing him up.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you're looking at the wrong stats (stats that are, as you say, influnced by your team)
there are also stats that are NOT influnced by quality teammates that say he is slightly below average, like defensive RAPM. on/off court numbers suggest that boston is slightly better defensively with ray allen off the court (102 points per 100 possessions on court, 100 points per 100 possessions off court).
of course ray allen is a huge offensive plus (at age 36, no less), while monta isn't
just to paint you a picture
Ray Allen offense
ON court 110.3 points per 100 possessions
OFF court 100.2 points per 100 possessions
Ray Allen defense
ON court 102.0 points per 100 possessions
OFF court 100.1 points per 100 possessions
Monta Ellis offense
ON court 108.7 points per 100 possessions
OFF court 109.0 points per 100 possessions
Monta Ellis Defense
ON court 112.9 points per 100 possessions
OFF court 106.5 points per 100 possessions
On and off the coir stats are misleading
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 6:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
On and off the coir stats are misleading
Be careful with this stat. You need to have context to apply it properly. Personally this stat dosent hold much weight for me. In the case of Ellis when he was off the court, which was rarely due to a lack of a bench. The warriors were genarlly being blown out. So both teams would play there scrubs expecially the team the warriors were playing. So yeah when your playing against, non-starters of course the warriors will have a better chance to score more. If you wanted to tweak that stat have paticular run up the score, which affects the stat.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 6:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
not true
Everybody holds him to the fire for defense
it’s actually his offense and defense that are the problem
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Your crazy.
I’ve come to realization that a few of you guys just have it out for Ellis, no matter what he does it’s not good enough. I’ve been watching basketball for 20+ years, you supported your team, not nit pick every last detail. You act like Monta Ellis is the Plagued, when players like Kobe have come out and stated how amazing and underated he is. Dwight Howard stated he would like to play with him. He’s our best player on the team, and I’ll support him and the team till he gets traded.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 1:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
kobe and dwight aren't exactly the best judges of talent
dwight thinks that big baby is better than brandon bass
Oh believe me, I love me some Monta; and when it's an actual game, I root HARD for Monta
and definitely support Monta (whatever that means)
but I do shake my head at his stupid plays, same goes for Steph.
(BTW, I’m probably less high on Steph than some of the other folks)
All I’m saying is that Monta should play his game a little different. Again, no one will dispute that Monta is amazing at getting a shot. The issue is more related to how many of those shots go down.
You say he’s the best player on the team? I say, who the f___k cares? The main point here is that we have one player who takes more shots than it seems like he should.
I remember the first time someone pointed out that Monta’s offense is actually as much (if not more) of a problem than his D. I called them crazy too. But after hearing the arguments and following the evidence, I’ve been converted into thinking Monta either needs to play way different, or get traded.
if you need to see this as “haterism” instead of an honest evaluation of the evidence, ok. But it is pretty juvenile, and close-minded
I don’t completely buy that you can just plug those shot attempts into some player who shoots at a higher efficiency, but I do think if Monta was more selective about when to take it to the hole, and when to take a long two-pointer it would really help the team
I’ve been watching basketball for 20+ years, you supportedyour team, not nit pick every last detail.
so…you never worried when Sprewell shot too much?
when Bol launched those hella ugly three pointers?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
The big picture
I agree with some of your views, he could distribute more and shoot less, but in situations when the success of his team making shots is very low, Monta steps up. So Monta, like many great player before him take the burden of scorning on himself because the team fails to produce when needed. There was countless games last year where he did this and succeeded, which I believe no one on the team could accomplish that.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 2:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
sure
agreed
when the success of his team making shots is very low, Monta steps up.
but do not agree with this
There was countless games last year where he did this and succeeded
all the games get counted, look at the totality of what the numbers say…we seem to disagree on how much those bail out moments should count against the overall picture painted by Monta’s numbers…and that’s perfectly ok.
But please acknowledge that there is actually some thought behind it (not just haterism) when people point out that maybe the team would be better off if Monta played differently; or without Monta
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I appreciate your arguments
I know Monta isn’t perfect and definately has many areas too improve. The dude has some very special gifts in bball that cannot be written off. I find to me people want to throw homeboy under the bus, when he makes a few bad plays, I get it. Watching Curry making the pass to the wing that gets picked off more often than it should seems to fall to the wayside. I believe Monta is capable of changing his game and becoming the player that we need. The guy has improved every year, hopefully this year hewill be the complete package. Can’t hate a guy for having faith.
by Coldlampin on Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve come to realization that a few of you guys just have it out for Ellis He’s our best player on the team, and I’ll support him and the team till he gets traded.
It’s not “a few of you guys” that have it out for ellis , it’s nature that has it out for ellis. Nature made him too small to be a 2 guard but not good enough handles to be a point. We’ve known this since his 2nd year but the new management just like the old management hasn’t done anything about it.
Now if you think you can train him to be a better point guard than stef you have good reason to want to keep him and trade binky instead but one of them has to go. Montay has known it since the curry draft when he complained very vocally but has gotten no help from two managements in solving the problem. They just seem paralyzed by the thought of making the decision and hope it will go away. But things don’t usually go away when you want them to, they usually stick around and bite you on the rear end.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 20, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks to the Warriors free agency and trade strike-outs this offseason, Thompson is likely going to get big minutes off the bench, so this is a good sign.
wouldn’t a good sign have been more off season success so we don’t have to rely on a rookie?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions
in case you missed it
success=tanking
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 19, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
success=tanking
we gotta wait till halfway point before we can be sure we are not the beneficiaries of a lot of luck and a chance at playoff spot. With this bs shortened season it won’t be that long to wait.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
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