Golden State Of Mind Scouting Reports On New Warriors Dominic McGuire, Ish Smith, and Brandon Rush
Believe it or not, four years ago I posted a Summer League scouting report on new Warriors player Dominic McGuire. The good news? It's still pretty much the same scouting report I'd give today. The bad news? It's pretty much the same scouting report I'd give today.
Randomly, I also studied a lot of Ish Smith's game, both during the college season and while he was competing with Jeremy Lin for a training camp invite at the Portsmouth Invitational two years ago. And last year, as the Miami Heat embarked on their journey, an early season loss to a solid Indiana Pacers team had me eyeing Brandon Rush a little more than usual.
So here's my take on McGuire. He's as solid a defensive stopper as you can obtain on the market. I'm a basketball purist. I love the ability to play one-on-one defense (although understanding the concept of team defense, which does not necessarily require awesome one-on-one skills, is important too). One of the most important elements of defense is communicating where you are and where other defenders are or should be. McGuire is good at this, as I alluded to four years ago:
I'm sure I'm going against the grain here, but IMHO the best player on the court was the Wizards' Dominic McGuire. He was certainly better than fellow draftee Nick Young. Whether or not he was better than Francisco Garcia is now open for debate.
McGuire is a 6'7", 220-lb forward out of Fresno State. I'm thinking maybe the Fresno State vs USC brand name hurt his stock in the draft, as well as Young appearing in the NCAA tourney spotlight. McGuire is built rock solid and he uses that muscle. He hustles after every rebound. He attacks the rim, but not with reckless abandon or anything. He just uses his athleticism to his advantage. He also has a great attitude. He never complains and just hustles. Every team needs a guy like him and there simply aren't too many hustle guys like him in this era of NBA ball.
The best thing about him is his defense. He's quick enough for a 6'7" small forward (if he had a consistent outside shot, he could be moved to the 2) to beat the guy he's covering to the spot. He drew a travel-that-would-have-been-a-charge on Garcia in the paint late in the game, but I have my reservations about Garcia as you'll see below. At #47, McGuire was a solid pick. Just based on his defense, power game, and athleticism alone, I see no reason why we won't see McGuire in the NBA for a long time.
I then followed that up a year later re-iterating my "man crush". Well, that man-crush has subsided a bit. At the time, I figured his offense would come along eventually and, my oh my, what a more complete player he'd become.
*Biermp*... He is still the same on offense. He must have the same disease as Lin because his stroke has not been retooled from scratch and still has fundamental flaws which will prevent him from EVER becoming a good shooter (at least from what I remember; I did not catch the first preseason game vs the Sacramento Kings). And because I'm a purist who wants all basketball players to continue to improve and work on their weaknesses, I am a bit disappointed, four years later. For example, I would definitely take Nick Young now over McGuire, as any sane person would.
Still, Dominic's a damned good stopper.
Smith had some good moments last year with the Rockets. I was skeptical about his basketball IQ when I saw him in person at Portsmouth two years ago. He seemed to be a "Speedy Gonzalez" who didn't really have a plan out there on the court. His game seemed very instinctive. And he lacked a jumpshot. Moreover, I didn't see anything to write home about in setting teammates up (i.e., assists).
But in this day and age of the NBA, if you're quick and can handle the rock around a big man's high screen, you're in business. Once you bolt pass that screen and none of the remaining four defenders can really stop your quickness, you can do some damage, especially if you continue to improve your ability to convert at the rim. On the other hand, he'll create but also be subject to mismatches.
Finally, with Brandon Rush, I'd say from my non-thorough analysis of him, very superficially he's a Poor Man's David West, without West's ability to receive the ball in a post-up (Rush is more of a face-up player, unfortunately). The few games I saw of the intriguing Pacers, who weirdly fell into a funk after the Heat win, which led to Jim O'Brien's firing, Rush showed a nice touch from midrange and a bulldog attitude. So while he has a nice stroke, I certainly would not classify him as a finesse player. And the Warriors need more guys like that.
Also, based on my limited viewings of the Pacers last year, I'm a bit surprised the Pacers were willing to promote Paul George so quickly. While he is definitely a much more electrifying player/finisher than Rush will ever be, Rush has more of a steady "pace" (no pun intended) to his game, i.e., while Rush isn't necessarily that athletic, he knows his limitations and stays within himself. Sure, George has a higher ceiling, but I felt that Rush was more consistent and knew where to go on the court, while George seemed wet behind the ears. Bottom line: Rush is a borderline starter in the NBA. Not bad as far as a backup for Dorell is concerned.
These three "rough-around-the-edges" pickups are a nice departure from the Warriors mold of the past. Now watch as they all play passively and blow this scouting report to smithereens.
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McGuire will never be a shooter
He likes to drive inside and he’s got toughness in there. Watching Synergy a bit, he even has a few moves. To be honest, if he were on last year’s team, he might have been our best post-up threat. I’m hoping that Jackson can get him to cut down on taking bad forced shots. But if he contributes any offense it will be on cuts to the basket and offensive rebounding and transition.
if he were on last year’s team,
He would have been misused.
Honestly, after the first pre-season game, I have full confidence in our staff to atlease utilize our players in their best capacity.
How many games difference do you think better playcalling/schemes would have made? No denying Curry and Monta were both misused. Dorell and Lee too. I think we could have seen a 3-5 game swing last year.
yeah, it sure was nice seeing the playcalling and schemes!
this is all just a tune-up for Christmas night, that will be a real test.
I think the Clipps are way out of our league at this point, but am hoping we can still “give the gift of a supah-star” and surprise them in Oracle
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
hmm
It’s early. They’ll have growing pains. Anything can happen.
I still like our chances v. Chauncey of Mo. whichever one guards monta or steph will struggle.
We can Steph off screens, and see if either have ability to chase him, or keep up with Monta cutting and penetrating.
oh yeah
I do honestly think we have a chance of stealing a win on opening night. But make no mistake, it would be a shocker. Clippers starting 5 is trouble
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
not only their starting 5, their bench is scary also
Mo, Foye, and Gomes; they were the starters last year. They will look like allstar players against other team’s 2nd unit.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
We’ll beat the clippers.
I really want this to happen too so CP3 will feel bad not signing a long term with Warriors.
If Monta willing to share the ball like Sunday game, there is a very good chance we can win.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 20, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
We’ll beat the clippers.

There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
meh
that bench is no big deal
Mo is ok, but I’m not a big fan of Foye and Gomes…the big problem is that they have no back up bigs anymore (although Diogu lit us up last year)
injuries aside, this could be a problem if Blake and jordan get into foul trouble
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
haha, look
front page of their blog today actually
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
The front office has done 2 of my suggestions so far. The 1st was signing Dominic Mcguire, which will turn out to be good. I’ve been saying they should sign him for months and they finally did it. They’ll be a better team for it. The second suggestion was trading Lou Amundson to indy for a wing. My trade scenario also involved Monta for Hibbert, Indy is not willing to do that tho.
he's a Poor Man's David West
I think maybe you have Rush confused with someone else? Rush is a SG, not a PF. And he has no midrange game, he’s a three point specialist.
more like...a poor man's Delonte West?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
or David Wesley?
Neither of whom I’d like to be called a “poor man’s” version of if I were a player.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Better defender, rebounder, and better shot selection (since neither can make much outside the paint).
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
by duballers23 on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Haha true
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
by duballers23 on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
McGuire is TCG2.0
So why din’t we just keep TG 1.0? What is the advantage in churning similar players?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Hey...
2.0 does imply that he’s an upgrade, though maybe it would have been better to hold out for TCG 2.1.4 since that version should have fewer bugs.
2.0 does imply that he’s an upgrade
but isn’t there a sayin about “better the evil you know than the evil you don’t know” or something like that?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 20, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Al Thornton
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
by duballers23 on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
bah
Beat me to it.
Did it stand for “tough cool guy” or “tough crazy guy?”
by ender2148 on Dec 20, 2011 1:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
crazy
every team needs a crazy guy
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
each championship contender has at least one crazy guy, every single one.
Everything is RACIST.
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
ladies and gentlemen
I believe this is the man who coined the term originally
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i like all the signings
although we shuldve used our amnesty on biedrins or traded him and we overpaid kwame
although we shuldve used our amnesty on biedrins
since centers are hard to find I think we could trade Dre better than Lee so i’d have off’ed his salary instead.Certainly wouldn’a wasted it on Bell’s paltry pickins.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions

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