PRESEASON RECAP #2: Golden State Warriors 91, Sacramento Kings 95 - Steph Curry Goes Down with Sprained Ankle, Makes Meaningless Game Meaningful
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Let's cut straight to the point. As much as we've been looking forward to watching the dubs play, and getting a look at some of the new faces on the team, none of this was supposed to matter. Unfortunately when Stephen Curry when down with yet another ankle sprain in the first half, this insignificant preseason game against the Sacramento Kings became very relevant. This injury really casts a dark shadow over the promise of opening the season on Christmas Day, and the teams hopes for success early on in the season. The actual act of rolling the ankle didn't look all that bad, but you could tell by Curry's reaction that he was in lots of pain, and the sight of him leaving Sactown on crutches certainly doesn't inspire confidence for a speedy recover. We still don't know how serious the injury is though, so until we do let's all hope that this is just a small bump in the road for the franchise's most important player. In the mean time, hit the jump for some player evaluations and game notes from tonight's action!
Back-up Point Guard Controversy?
The good news is that after just two preseason games we've seen some promising play from our two new pickups at the PG spot. The bad news, of course, is that we might be relying on these guys to make major contributions if Curry is to miss any significant time with this ankle sprain. Charles Jenkins had a nice game Saturday, but only hit the court for 11 minutes (and didn't exactly fill the stat sheet) so let's focus on Ish Smith's first time suiting up for the Warriors. The first impression is undeniable... the guy is fast. Sure, he may have some major holes in his game, but his speed can go a long way to make up for some of his other shortcomings. We saw a great example of this early in the first half when he drove the lane only to get his shot blocked. As the Kings took off on the break he was well under the basket on the baseline, and yet somehow by the time the Kings made it to the other end of the floor he had come flying down the court to get in the passing lanes and steal the ball right back. The guy has jaw-dropping speed. Later in the game he flashed it again when he grabbed a rebound on the defensive end and took it coast to coast to draw a shooting foul at the rim. As the game went on he seemed pretty comfortable running the team, despite barely knowing the offense. His handles looked solid, and he even had some nice passes out there. The big question with him has been, and will continue to be his shooting, and overall ability to score. What good is it to have the speed to get in the lane if you can't finish. Will defenses start to sag off of him if he can't show a consistent outside shot? Jenkins may end up taking the spot with a more balanced offensive game, but time will tell.
Monta Ellis
With reports of a sexual harassment suit arising just before game time it would certainly be understandable for Monta to come out a little distracted, and early on that seemed to be the case. He put up some really bad shots in the first half. It was beyond "forcing it." These were contested, drifting, mid range jumpers that you'd hope to only see with two seconds on the shot clock, not twenty. The good news is that as the game went on Monta settled down, and ended up having a decent, if unspectacular, night.
Klay Thompson: A one dimensional shooter... wait, what?
The consensus on Klay coming into training camp was that he was an excellent shooter, but that he might struggle to play defense, get into the lane, and handle the ball at this level. Well, so far he's been pretty much the polar opposite of that. His shooting has been horrendous (2-15 tonight, 0-7 on threes) but he's been surprisingly good in the areas he's been expected to struggle in. He's been rebounding well, playing pretty decent D, and getting into the lane fairly easily. It's only been two preseason games, so there is still not much reason to think he's all that different of a player than we thought he'd be. But hey, I think I'll look at this optimistically and say that his shot will come along, and that he just might be a much more well rounded player than we thought he might be. Yeah, yeah, let's not talk about how most of his minutes have come against another rookie guard who's not exactly a proven NBA defender. Moving on.
David Lee: This guy is a bargain!
After one season of watching Lee struggle to live up to expectations and a hefty paycheck, Warriors fans (myself included at times) were ready trade him and his contract for a bag of balls and a clean slate. Well, tonight we caught a glimpse of the David Lee that many GSoMers used to drool over, and post trade-machine fantasies about when he was with the Knicks. Sure, there is still plenty of sarcasm in my proclamation above, but this might be a good time to remember that Lee was looking pretty darn good last year before losing a good chunk of his season (and a good chunk of his arm) to the zombie apocalypse that is Wilson Chandler. He finished the night with 30pts (on 11-19)13reb 4ast 2blk 2stl, and he looked aggressive on offense, cutting to the basket and consistently looking for contact in the paint. I don't know if Lee will ever be a good value on this contract, but but he will certainly be more valuable if the team continues to take advantage of his skill set the way they did tonight. He's at his best moving to the basket, whether it's on pick and rolls, or weak side cuts to the rim, the Warriors need to continue to get the ball in his hands on the move where he can put bigger inside defenders in a tough spot. I'll be happy to say goodbye to Lee post-ups and isolations 18 feet from the hoop.
Coaching
It's still obviously way too early to judge, but I've already seen more active team defense than I remember seeing all last season. Combine that effort with better ball movement, and what seems to be a better understanding of how to put players in a position to succeed on offense, and let's say I'm a little more than cautiously optimistic about our new coaching staff.
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It should be Jenkins, a better defender and shooter who plays very under control
I really think eventually he will be our 1st guard off the bench and be a big part of the team but initially I think Ish Smith will get more minutes just cause I get the feeling Mark Jackson really wants to play him since he is a very pure PG
RIP Al Davis
Yeah...
I think Jenkins will win the spot. It’s hard for me to say because I’ve really only seen a few minutes of these guys at this point, but Jenkins just seems to have a much more well rounded game, and I love his toughness. Ish is crazy fast though. Fun to watch fly down the court.
by olympicmike on Dec 21, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
I thought that was settled after the first game.
I expect Jenkins to be the starter if Curry can’t go. Ish looks raw still, and doesn’t know how to command and lead an offense yet. Smith got a lot of minutes so Jackson could see what he could do during a meaningless game. That’s it.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Quick note...
There were a few minutes of the Brown, Udoh tandem tonight. That has to be the best defensive big man pairing in my time as a Warriors fan, right? When have the dubs had a guy who can hold his position in the post, playing next to an excellent weakside/help defender? They just better make sure they have plenty of offensive perimeter players out there if they want to run those two together for extended minutes.
while curry is injured
Why not start monta at pg and klay at sg?
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by YoMamaIsAgiant on Dec 21, 2011 12:55 AM PST reply actions
I'd rather start Rush
A proven decent player, Klay hasn’t earned that right in my opinion
RIP Al Davis
by dubzfan on Dec 21, 2011 1:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
"hasn't earned the right"
Since when do you need to earn the right to start on a team that has a very good chance of heading to the lottery once again (sorry for the pessimism. I believe they can make the Playoffs this year, but the following is considering Curry does indeed suffer a major ankle injury once again)? In my opinion, if either Curry or Ellis are injured for any duration during the season (obviously we hope not), Klay’s development as a basketball player will be greatly sped up in a starter’s role with starter’s minutes. It might not be pretty in the short run, but if the team won’t make the Playoffs anyways, wouldn’t it be best for him to struggle now but begin to thrive sooner rather than later?
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
While what you’re suggesting would certainly be better for Klay’s development, it’s not going to give us a better shot at wins. This FO and coaching staff has shown that it isn’t going to give up on winning because “this team’s probably going to the lottery anyway.” Everything they’ve done so far has been contrary to that, so I’m doubting one injury would change that attitude before the season has even started.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
well, this one injury (maybe one more to a key player) could take the decision out of their hands
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
While that’s true, getting Jackson and the front office to admit it, and essentially resign to losing while they groom young talent, would seem an impossibility for this “no excuse team”.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 21, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather start Rush too
Monta and Rush could work
Klay…not impressive so far, but I’m willing to reserve judgement.
I think if Klay is our starting 2 then that means we are in definite tank mode. Would be pretty refreshing actually…to see us develop young talent instead of fighting at all costs for an 8th seed
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Would be pretty refreshing actually…to see us develop young talent instead of fighting at all costs for an 8th seed
if we had any young talent that could get us better than 8th seed after they are developed then maybe yeah but for now we should just shoot for the best and try to grab that 8th seed like it’s first place.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 21, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno
I am actually kinda liking Tyler
and Klay would be pretty damn decent if he could make a shot or 9. I’m guessing/praying that he will not force as many shots once the games actually matter
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
im feeling like the best thing for us to fight for the 8th would be to give Klay , Tyler , and Jenkins all at least 10mins /game
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
mmeh, whatever, I'm along for the ride
I like our boys effort on D, like our new scheme (looks like a lot more ball movement); whatever happens this season, I’ll take it and like it
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
I’m in this line. Let Klay work on the other team’s bench players. Rush at least has experience against starters.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think this will happen
But that KT will act as the point often so Monta can play off the ball
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
while curry is injured Why not start monta at pg and klay at sg?
In large part because time with Monta at point guard has rarely been anything but terrible in the past, and better to stop trying to hammer away with more excuses (e.g. “but if we teamed him with X, then maybe he’d be ok as a point guard”) at that square peg than to admit that his point guard resume sucks, will likely continue to suck and we’d be better off seeing what the guys who should be filling in at the point can do.
A square peg is better than a peg leg.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
square peg, round hole?
challenge accepted
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I think that kind of makes the point.
The coaches appear to be trying to teach Monta a new skill set, and a new approach to the game.
That’s going to be a lot harder if he’s put in a position to reinforce all his bad old habits.
If the team wants him to focus on mastering playing off the ball, putting the ball in his hands a lot is a mistake. It will slow down his improvement.
FWIW
I think jae is right
Monta as PG is a no-no
I just hope our coaches feel the same way
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
We're probably best off starting our 5 best players
So take your pick between Jenkins and Klay. Monta will start and if Klay is determined to be better than Jenkins, Monta will start at point, and probably should.
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
He's honestly improved Jae.
His passing was acceptable last season.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 21, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, I think Klay ought to get major time. Can't help but remember when Curry was out, last year,
Reggie stepped in for 7- games or , so, and went at a 20/game clip. Of course, I could never understand why he and Curry sat on the bench during critical, late, phases of about 7-10, winnable games, with the game on the line! Does anyone remember the discussion after the last game of the season, when Reg got a start (!!!!), dropped over 20, again? We all felt that the team was a seasoned coach and some inside help (an experienced biggie) away from making the playoffs this year. Anyone remember the discussions about too many guards, and Reggie breaking into the starting rotation, or, at least playing quality minutes/rotations? Little did we know that would be Reggie’s last game as a warrior, that our 3pt-shooting-ace-bench would be wiped out, and we would be back to square one again, with the FO pundits, in here, talking about Klay being a better choice for…. two years from now!!! Oh, well, I hope they do not rush Steph back; could be permanently debilitating on that surgery-repaired ankle. Besides, Klay can get a chance to grow into Reggie’s shoes. Instead of playoff contenders, we will not even be pretenders this year!
In the 3rd quarter, the sac announcers said “the warriors have really ratcheted up the defense”, my entire time being a warriors fan, I don’t think I’ve heard any announcer say those words in that order ever before.
by JustSomeName on Dec 21, 2011 1:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Watching these past couple preseason games, seems like dorell wright’s offensive game has taken a step back from what I remember it was last season
by JustSomeName on Dec 21, 2011 1:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed. He looks lost on that side of the court. I don’t get it.
by Goldenstarter on Dec 21, 2011 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think that after his explosion onto the scene last year
he has become overconfident and as a result didn’t see the need to work hard on his game during the lockout offseason. He thought it would be easy from here on out. His success over one season made him feel invincible.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Its not like he came into camp overweight or not conditioned, he was playing pickup games all over the country the entire off season just to stay in shape and to continue to play competitive basketball. Maybe it was this new emphasis on defense from Jackson and co that’s had him step back from his offensive game
by JustSomeName on Dec 21, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
As good as Wright is, he should be a back up.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I'm not so sure.
I mean, he’s not a superstar.
But if you look at teams that don’t have an elite or near-elite player at the 3, most of the time Dorell is better than the guy they have.
eg – I’d start Dorell over Ron Artest, who’ll start for the Lakers this year. Shawn Marion is the starter for Dallas … that’s pretty much a tossup, isn’t it? Tayshaun Prince started for Detroit last year (no longer the Tayshaun of five years ago). Chase Bundinger for Houston, Trevor Ariza for New Orleans. Hedu played starters minutes. Nicolas Batum. The ghost of Richard Jefferson. Nick Young (starters minutes, split between the two swingman spots).
There are some very good threes in the league, and clearly Dorell isn’t in that LeBron-Durant stratosphere or even one step down from that.
But he’s a solid, middle-of-the-pack starter.
But he’s a solid, middle-of-the-pack starter.
Dorrell is a solid one dimensional, middle-of-the-pack starter. I am not sold on the idea that he should take any shot besides 3’s in the half court and his defense is overrated. When Dorrel is missing his 3s, he looks horrible and even worse when he fakes them. And please show World Peace some respect.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
how is he one dimensional? maybe one of our most versatile players i thought...
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
he catch and shoots 3’s, catches alley-oops and plays OK defense. If he starts missing 3’s he’s a liability on the offensive end, as he is a terrible decision maker and has awful handles.
he does make his mistakes and they can look pretty bad sometimes but he
also can make some great looking athletic plays that pretty negate his awkward screwups
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
he cant shoot off the dribble to save his life
Yet he still tries. He needs to save that for practice
I think you have been swallowing too much PR. If you don’t believe me then just trust Pat Riley.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
when it comes to PR i spit.
Name one starter on our team who is a more two dimensional player than DW
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
lol, that just reminded me how far this team has to go towards respectability…
by JustSomeName on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
A shot fake is good!
Why do people seem to dislike this move? It’s very useful.
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
if used correctly they are very good. it keeps defenders guessing.
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
And it can’t hurt, right? Nothing bad ever comes from a shot fake.
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
A lost shot opportunity hurts. Especially if your mid range shot, finishing skills, and passing skills suck.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Are you saying he should just take the covered 3?
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Right now I don’t think the opposing defenders are falling for it, since his shot hasn’t been exactly falling….and it’s the same team we just played against on Saturday. If they are not falling for it for the fake, then he needs to adjust and try to drive by them if they are closing out on him fast.
isnt that where the pump fake is most effective? (when "they are closing out on him fast")
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Not if they are expecting him to pump fake it and not shoot it. I saw a few times where either the defender was just not responsive or just weren’t biting on his fakes. As a result, they were in prime position to guard him. If he had shot it right away or drove by as they were closing in, he would’ve had the advantage.
I got no problem with his pump fakes
good solid move for a known jump shooter
even if t doesn’t work out on the drive, it still keeps defenders guessing
and as far as “it can’t hurt” I’ve read that the first few moments after catching the ball is really the most advantageous time to shoot it
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
It seems like he stops to set himself.
Which slows him down, and means he needs to pump fake.
The really great shooters are “set” before they catch the ball. When you see Curry catch and shoot, for example, most of the time he already knows where he is with respect to the basket so he can go straight up with it.
It’s practice and confidence. Dorell needs to shoot 500 three pointers a day.
oh man, I hope Curry is ok
love his quick release shot…those floaters…those passes (behind the back to DLee!!)
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Curry doesn't really set.
He leans, fades, doesn’t really jump, and flings it up all in one motion. And it goes in. He’s kind of a virtuoso
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
My point is more -
- that he knows where he is at all times so he doesn’t have to stop and think about it.
i wouldnt say his finishing skills suck
;but i think his midrange, and passing might be a little suspect. im sure the stat gurus would easily point this out
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
i think ur critiquing of this tho made me think of a good idea
maybe they should be practicing the DW pump fake play where its designed for him to A) take the shot if its there B) PUMP fake and drive and then dish the ball to a cutting player, or C) pump fake and then drive and finish at the hole (where i feel just from watching him that he is pretty good at)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
it makes ur defender rush out to block your shot
and if he is doing that the fake allows a chance to blow by him..
DW just needs to learn to pass after that or get a better midrange shot down..
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
if
DW could blow by and finish at the rim, or easily move to the side and smoothly take the shot, I’d like his pump fakes better. He can’t, or doesn’t. His best pump fakes last year where a prelude to inducing fouls and my understanding is they won’t be calling those this year.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
really
I think I’ve seen him do..
oh, wait never mind
easily move to the side and smoothly take the shot
if he’s not spot up shooting, he looks moves like a penguin out of water. Works sometimes, but his dribble drives do not generally look smooth or easy
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Dorrell is a solid one dimensional, middle-of-the-pack starter.
But that’s my point – middle of the pack starters tend to be, well, limited. They only have one or two things they do at a good level, and everything else is passable – that’s why they’re middle-of-the-pack guys.
And please show World Peace some respect
He’s a bad basketball player at this point in his career. He is clearly worse than Dorell.
I was referring to this name change not his game which has also changed.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I would easily start Marion over Wright. Do you think Wright would take it right to Lebron’s face and pretty much match his production in the finals?
A) He didn’t “pretty much” match Lebron’s production during the finals.
B) The main reason Lebron had a bad finals was because of Lebron, not the defense thrown at hi.
C) Marion will be 34 soon, has clearly lost his explosiveness, and was only ever above-average in efficiency when playing next to an elite point guard. He was a huge minus on both ends of the floor last season.
The Marion of 4-5 years ago might well have been better than Dorell. The guy that played 80 games for Dallas last year? No. He wasn’t.
Shawn Marion is the starter for Dallas … that’s pretty much a tossup, isn’t it?
Not really. But not a huge difference, which is your point I guess.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 21, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Barnes is the starter for the Lakers this year. Don't know if that changes the comparison, though.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Yes, he had the green light and second-most-minutes on the team to launch shots!
While our most efficient shooters were warming the bench…..I know, he was a better defensive player than Vlad and Reggie…..He was the answer in the Smartless rotation…..
Jenkins please.
For a second I wished we could just cut Ish on the spot, after he was running a pick and roll and got open for a wide open jumper from the side. He tried to bank it and it was super high…and way short. Before that, he also missed 2 FTs in a row really bad too, negating the shooting foul pretty much. I can’t believe how bad of a shooter he is.
Couldn't finish inside. I see talent, but a team will have to be patient.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
i think it’ll be klay over rush
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by YoMamaIsAgiant on Dec 21, 2011 4:33 AM PST up reply actions
It'll be Klay
I’ve been somewhat impressed with Klay’s ballhandling and passing. Monta would require someone a little more competent than Rush next to him at ‘pg’.
i would like Jenkins
ellis/klay at the 2
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I watched Klay on draftexpress.com again. He's an EXCELLENT shooter and has great moves, great footwork, great hands,.
As for backup PG, I would go with CJ.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
3 Thoughts
1. Curry’s injury really didn’t look all that bad, and that actually worries me a lot more. Non-contact injuries on repeatedly beat up bodyparts indicate something structurally wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if has serious ligament damage. So lame.
2. Someone did say Klay Thompson could shoot, right? I don’t recall him making a jump shot in either game. He does look like he belongs out there, and he doesn’t have the “rookie face.” Here’s hoping his stroke comes back. Without Curry we suddenly are not a very good shooting team.
3. I hated the way Jackson coached the fourth quarter. Biedrins and Brown had turned the five spot into a plus for the Warriors all game, and so down the stretch in the third our announcer/pastor/coach decides to put Lee at Center and Dorrell Wright (wtf?) at the four? No coincidence that’s when the Kings go on a 9-0 run and win the game. Yes it’s preseason and meaningless, but it’s distressing that he would even think to use that frontcourt.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Dec 21, 2011 7:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
My first thought was poor post surgery physical therapy and conditioning as well as short practice(with out team therapists available)...
…but that does not make sense considering Curry’s dad and his smarts but it does seem like the typical of the weekend baller whose ankles have been comatose under a desk all week suddenly playing fullcourt.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Was he even wearing an ankle brace?
He was playing in Hyperdunks. They are hardly a maximum support shoe.
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
hey, that's me!!
the weekend baller whose ankles have been comatose under a desk all week suddenly playing fullcourt.
I wear ankle braces and solid converse hi-tops.
Also, my top speed is about 1/20th of what Steph does, so that helps keep me safe
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
"I hated the way Jackson coached the fourth quarter."
I agree that the entire lineup during that stretch was questionable, but this is the time to experiment with a lineup like that (perhaps the staff was thinking they could spread the floor and open up driving lanes…didn’t work out well) and get it out of the staff’s system.
If we see it over and over again, I’ll be a bit more concerned…
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Steph is faking it.
It’s all a part of our master tank plan to retain our pick for next year.
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by qin on Dec 21, 2011 7:15 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
yeah, just like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_wy8ebqKbA
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Are Curry's ankles destroyed forever?
His injury doesn’t seem to be going away. And of course now, he’ll have to sit out for an extended period of time just to make sure the ankle heals 100%…which is what we thought he did this last summer.
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
It isn't a good sign
…surgery is supposed to tighten up the ligaments, but they just gave out when he planted. This is a serious concern.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
It looks like Curry’s surgeon did not earn his money but will be laughing all the way to the bank anyway. This will mean more business for him.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Monta needs to give Curry his ankle doctor's business card
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by Badly Browned on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
No, it's not a good sign, is it?
Have we seen this scenario before? An injury to one of the starters early in the season? hmmmm…I’m trying to think of the last time this happened. Oh, that’s right! It happened last year…and the year before that.
Usually an injury happens early and the team is out of contention by December. I guess we’re still kinda on track for that…
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
mmm, Curry roll
I hear they serve those once a week
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Tastes like old shoes. Could not take this as a regular diet.
I hope Curry can make it back soon and we’ll have to figure out what’s wrong with his ankle.
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Beans & Klay
KT’s play was very refreshing. At times he looked like one of the best players on the floor (I know we were playing the Kings, but still), and really took advantage of that wingspan. The shots will fall (remember Curry’s early rooking campaign?). I couldn’t help but think of him as looking like a 6’7" version of Curry…even down to that rope-a-dope ball fake and baby-hook…he missed the shot, but it was not a move that made me think that the game is not moving too fast for him.
And I was pretty pleased with Biedrins’ defense, except for the infuriating dumb fouls. Dude’s got to give ground and meet players at the rim rather than just stand like a tree and take the foul.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Standing like a tree with your hands up is in NO WAY a foul. It is a dumb foul, it’s dumb that the ref would call it.
I totally agree
but the refs have made it clear (for several years) that they will call it. So make the change.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
this!!!
definitely NOT a foul, I would actually love to hear one of the refs explain what Biedrens is supposed to do at that point
but JEEEEZUSS, for the love of god, DO SOMETHING different!!
It makes me so mad to see him get that incredulous but meekly accepting look on his face after this happens every time
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
As much as I hate to admit it...
Biedrins gets hosed on a lot of calls. You’re right; what is he supposed to do? Get out of the way?
The refs give him what are reputation fouls. You kow how Kobe gets a lot calls his way because of his reputation? Well that why Biedrins gets a lot of calls against him. Neither is really a fair way to officiate but that’s how it is. Everybody knows that.
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
You kow how Kobe gets a lot calls his way because of his reputation?
Some perhaps, but the ‘reputation’ thing gets blown way out of proportion. Kobe picks up fouls at about the same rate he did as a rookie, when he was a not terribly often used and not terribly productive bench player. It’s hard to really buy that he was getting ‘reputation’ calls then, and since his his rate in drawing fouls isn’t much different now than it was then, it’s tough to buy that there’s real evidence that he’s the beneficent of “a lot” of reputation calls.
I remember Kobe getting hiped as the “Air Apparent” and Sterns’s next golden boy from pretty much day one. So I have to strongly disagree with your theory.
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by KillaContract on Dec 21, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
He was drafted 13th?
In a draft where Iverson was drafted first overall, Marbury 4rd, and Ray Allen 5th.
Pretty sure the hype surrounded those players.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Kobe had hype for being a high schooler coming straight to the NBA.
He had hype for the way everybody knew he was controlling the situation to go to the team he wanted to go to, using the leverage of going to college to threaten that he wouldn’t play in the NBA if he didn’t end up on his preferred team.
But nobody really knew how good he was going to be. I’d say he was less (relatively for the time) hyped coming out of high school than Billy Owens, for example, who IIRC had a SI cover before he played a single college game.
Back then, the whole idea of HS players going straight to the pros was uncertain. People weren’t really convinced that guys could do it. KG had done it the year before (with much more hype than Kobe) and he wasn’t an instant star.
He wasn't the league's "chosen one"
and he wasn’t labeled a certain star the way Iverson already was and the way Marbury was.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Are you suggesting the stars don't get preferential officiating?
Even the announcers joke about it. Everybody knows that the stars get the calls dude, cmon. You’ve heard that before.- I’m not saying anything new. What do you think “star power” means? Who do you think it applies to?
Monta gets a lot of the same reputation calls. He’s a small guy on a team not known for defense. The refs are quick with the whistle. By the laws of physics, Monta Ellis cannot knock down Demarcus Cousins with the contact that I’ve seen. Monta would have to be coming in full speed and jump into him with the full intention of knocking him down for Cousins to actually fall over. The refs reward the bigs simply for being big and for sloppy, lazy defense. Where’s the reward for Monta trying to make an athletic move around a big player?
The officiating sucks. It has for years.
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Monta would have to be coming in full speed and jump into him with the full intention of knocking him down for Cousins to actually fall over.
Contact does not have to knock a player over to be a foul. The same contact should be a foul whether it’s against a 6-ft, 180lb guard or a 6’10, 260lb center.
Totally agreed
Which is why I’m baffled. The refs don’t make the same calls every time for each player. Touch fouls for one player but not the next? This guy gets a charge but this other guy just made a strong move to the basket?
Monta is not out of control enough to the number of charges he gets. I will never accept that. There are few players (if any) in the league fast or coordinated enough to get in front of him and get set to take a proper charge, especially not bigs.
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
And I don't want to suggest that the league is crooked necessarily...
…but there was only ONE dirty ref a couple of years ago? The NBA managed to isolate him (Donaghy, I think) and 100% eliminate any potential for corrupt officiating by getting rid of that one person? You buy that?
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
You buy that?
No.
But why would corrupt officials be biased against Monta?
If it’s an anti-Warrior thing, then please explain why Maggette got FTs at his usual – very good – rate as a Warrior.
Bad calls happen. Monta plays in a style which results in him not getting a lot of calls. That doesn’t mean Monta doesn’t get calls because there’s a conspiracy or corruption.
Even the announcers joke about it. Everybody knows that the stars get the calls dude, cmon. You’ve heard that before.- I’m not saying anything new.
You’re not saying anything new. You’re repeating the same ‘conventional wisdom’ or ‘common sense’ that gets repeated without actually examining it to see if there’s more evidence that that ‘everybody knows it’. Announcers don’t tend to be the most analytical lot and do tend to repeat the same things over and over, whether or not what they say is true.
But actual evidence shows that FTA to FGA tend to stay rather stable throughout a player’s career. If reputation calls were so prevalent and accounted for that much, then this means that the star treatment starts for everyone who gets it more or less from the day they get onto the court. That’s a pretty implausible scenario for anyone who wants to actually think rather than just parroting what they’ve never actually examined.
Really?
So simple! That’s genius. Do us a favor; please forward your commentary to every NBA broadcaster in the country and most of the refs.
The rest of us will be watching Kobe get 5,000 touch fouls while Monta gets knocked to the ground with no whistle. I’ll be waiting on your research on that because I’m sure you have the perfectly correct reply.
"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang
by Tremendous Hops on Dec 22, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody disputes that Kobe gets a lot more calls than Monta.
If you read more carefully, you might notice that Jae is not disputing that Kobe gets more calls than Monta. Rather, he is disputing that the reason why Kobe gets those calls is because he’s a “superstar.”
i can give you an extensive list of some names of people who have much better FTA to FGA ratios than monta
and i can guarantee you a lot of them are far from superstars
The rest of us will be watching Kobe get 5,000 touch fouls while Monta gets knocked to the ground with no whistle. I’ll be waiting on your research on that because I’m sure you have the perfectly correct reply.
Do you really speak for the “the rest”? If so, “the rest” of you seem to have some significant problems with reading comprehension and appear to be dreadfully confused. I did not address Monta’s FT rate vs Kobe’s. That’s a strawman.
well, honestly
I think the right defensive move is to go up and challenge the shot
because he does shift slightly to take the contact. Still dumb, the only way for him to avoid that foul would be to literally turn around and run out of the way
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Refs have said they will call proper defensive position a blocking foul?
Well then
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by Badly Browned on Dec 21, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I wish it were that simple
They haven’t “said” anything, but instead continue to call blocking fouls for proper position.
I know you’re not implying that Beans should just continue doing the same thing over and over, but expect different results.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
What's dumb is a 6'3" guard getting a charge on a 7'1" center who is literally just standing in the painted area.
I can’t believe the offensive fouls Monta gets called for. The only way he knocks Cousins down is if Cousins wants to fall. There’s a little law called PHYSICS that makes Cousins falling down impossible.
If Monta ran into Shaq and bounced off, that’s not a charge. It’s just a small guy meeting a bug guy. The number of times they call this against him is absurd. They even called one against Klay.
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by Tremendous Hops on Dec 21, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, that was no charge
Cousins had a NEASTY block on Kwame though
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
That was a horrible call
Cousins was definitely moving on that play and moved into Monta after Monta already left the ground. What pissed me off even more was that the commentators were praising Cousins for playing good defense there. What I like about Jim Barnett is that he will admit if the refs make a bad call, or at least question it, even if the call went in favor of the Warriors.
+1
One thing I’ve always loved about Barnett is that he’s always unbiased and isn’t afraid to call out the refs for a bad call, or even calling out the warriors if they’re doing something bad defensively or offensively
by JustSomeName on Dec 21, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Seems to be the “in” thing to do for centers to take the charge than go for the swat. Cousins did it twice and got the call both times.
by sportsguy950 on Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
"didn’t see the need to work hard on his game during the lockout offseason"
This was a bit back in the comments, but Dorell Wright actually worked out with Derrick Rose, Rusell Westbrook and Tyreke Evans during the off-season just like he did last year before he had his career year. We’ve seen two pre-season games, calm down. He might not hit as many threes this season, but he’ll have an even better year
Same
If Curry can get back soon and Jackson figures out a nice rotation, then I think they can be pretty solid.
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Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
by duballers23 on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
yup ( :
im liking how our bench has solid defenders waiting to step into the game with the exception of our 2 spot. (unless Klay proves to be a decent defender)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 21, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
You guys got Mikki Moore?
Im on trade machine right now and Mikki Moore is on your roster.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
well, if it works in trade machine...
but seriously, no
and stay off of trade machine, seriously
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the game plan/coaching was pretty good. David Lee was the leading scorer and did so efficiently. That, I say, is a pretty good strategy. No more of this Monta isolation crap, please. Huge bummer on Curry’s injury. Also, Biedrins was very active on defense again. Good to see.
Might I also say, The Jimmer looks very good. I hope he continues to play well, except not beat us next time.
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Why not run PnR with Ellis/Lee when Curry is out? That seems better than Ellis’ putting his head down and attacking the basket
by JustSomeName on Dec 21, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Biedrins' looks horrible on offense still.
I will say he looks very good defensively though. Sigh.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 21, 2011 1:48 PM PST reply actions
Well our coach aint
Don Nelson which emphasize on offensive side. What Mark Jackson ask for Beans is hustle on defense. Like the the last line of defense
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
He's still doing the pussy bullshit of last year.
He doesn’t even ATTEMPT to go up with it after an offensive board.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 21, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
lol, well said! Needs a few hours of straight-up, pickup ball on West 4th Street, in NYC!
Hard to get in those games though; probably, no one would pick him….
Haha
He’s got such a funky offensive game. I can’t stand his no look hook shots and then when he has tip in opportunities he passes them up.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Most of his offensive boards seems to be from him going over the back of someone a few feet from the basket. Having him throw up his funky hook shot versus restarting the offensive set would seem counter-productive.
by sportsguy950 on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
this!
While I would love to see Beans take one power dribble into a manly two-handed throw down, that’s just not going to happen.
I think sportsguy has it right, we are pretty much choosing between a funky hook or slow-mo spin move…I’ll keep the possession, and re-initiate the offense, thanks
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…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Coaching and our defense is good so far
which make up for our offense. Because beside Monta, Lee and Dorell up to the late part of the game… Our only offensive threat, specially Curry is hurt.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
just read Curry is day to day...
No ligament tear… thank god. questionable for Sunday, but sounds like he’ll recover quickly. :)
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Same thing they said last season
Before he sprained his ankle 3 or whatever times again right after that.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 22, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
So...good thing we cut Lin for no reason.
Anyways, everyone so damn worried about CP3’s knees and it turns out we have the fragile guard with the recurring injuries.
I will be jealously watching Lob City!
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions

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