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Who is the Golden State Warriors Other Core Player? + Snapdragon Giveaway

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Personally, when i think of the term "core player" I think of a franchise cornerstone that you look to build a team around. When I look at the Warriors roster, it seems pretty clear that any conversation about core players should really begin and end with Steph Curry... But any conversation that begins and ends with one guy isn't a very interesting conversation. A team's core should really be more than one guy, so hit the jump for some other candidates, and make sure to give your pick in the comments for a chance to win a free Samsung Galaxy S II.

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Monta Ellis: Many fans have viewed Monta as the heart and soul of this franchise for the last few seasons. Last year he led the league in minutes played, and led the team in points scored. Despite any questions about his defense, rebounding, and ability to pair well with Steph, you can make a case that the guy who spends the most time on the court and scores the most points is almost by definition your core player. I could just as easily see Monta as a core member of the team as I can being gone by the trade deadline. With the recent controversy around his sexual harassment case and the personal issues that are likely to come along with that, along with the new coaching staff, I really don't know what to expect from Monta this season.

David Lee: You could say that simply the size of David Lee's contract, and its effect on the team's ability to trade him would almost make him a core player by default, but there is probably a better case to be made for Lee. David Lee is a proven scorer and rebounder at the power forward spot, and easily our best option among big men when it comes to putting the ball in the basket. After a down year, it's easy to see why so many fans have been down on him lately, but all early signs point to the new coaching staff doing a much better job at putting Lee in a position to be effective on offense (rolling to the basket, and attacking in the paint) and hide his weaknesses on defense (better team defense in general). Not to mention the fact that he is clearly the most vocal leader among the team's tri-captians. It's not uncommon to see Lee call the team to huddle up on the court during a stop in play, and when he does he clearly commands their attention and respect. I can see this being a big bounce-back season for Lee.

Ekpe Udoh: This might be a less obvious choice, being that he is only a second year player and not expected to be in the starting line-up on opening night, but if a team needs a leader on offense and defense, then I think Udoh could be that leader on the defensive end. He might not throw up gaudy stat lines, but I can see him winning the starting center spot if the coaching staff is really as focused on defense as they say. On paper Udoh's strong and active help defense (and weak rebounding and scoring) pairs well with Lee's scoring and rebounding (and weak defense). As much as Lee might be primed for a bounce back-season, I think Udoh could just as easily have a break-out season that solidifies him as a core player for this franchise.

Check the give-away details below, and make sure to make your case for who the Warriors other core player is in the comments section.

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Who is the Warriors OTHER core player?
Monta Ellis
522 votes
David Lee
300 votes
Ekpe Udoh
125 votes
Dorell Wright
82 votes
Andris Biedrins
39 votes

1068 votes | Poll has closed

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Ekpe Udoh

Hes great defensively, has a huge impact on that side of the floor. From what ive seen in preseason he seems to be developing his offensive game and i feel he compliments curry and our goals for the future the best.

by bballinpacisler on Dec 22, 2011 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Where is the “None of the Above” vote?

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by qin on Dec 22, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Haha

I excluded it for fear that nobody else would get any votes. ;)

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

cause thats the first thing i looked for honestly

monta as a 2 guard is not a core piece seeing how you need a ton of oversized, fleet-footed defenders at every other position next to him to maximize his value

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 22, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Went with Mr. Udoh since no None of the Above option

Not often will you find a championship team or even further, a dynasty team without a great defender on the team. Udoh is young, has a great motor, and creates opportunities for others with his defense, he won’t light up the stat sheets, but I love that motor and defense. I could care less about PPG. In the wise words of Samurai Mike (Not really).

I want defenders, I want people that want to defend.

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Dec 22, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Lee

No question he is one of the most vocal guys. Smart and plays within his game. Never reckless, always in control. What else do you want out of your most vocal captain?

by nischwartz on Dec 22, 2011 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

Defense, Weak Side Help, Post Moves

"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum

by ejdacanay on Dec 22, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

David Lee

Because Curry, DLee, and DHoward are a great core to build around.
We now have a full, balanced team roster (including bigs) that allows us to put together a trade package for DHoward, while still keeping a competitive and desirable roster for Dwight to play with.

by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 22, 2011 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

What's the package?

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by Newton Pham on Dec 22, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m interested in hearing that as well.

by G-State on Dec 22, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Udoh – Solid defensive anchor
Lee – Solid offence and rebounder

Ugh, I would have to go with Lee or Udoh. Just wish I could combine the two.

Or I could just go with Monta – He pulls all the honeys.

"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."

Frank Zappa

by qin on Dec 22, 2011 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

In every team

you need to include your center as one of the core player; to be successful franchise. Either Udoh or Beans… but since Beans got the maximum contract and Udoh still on its second year. I am hoping Beans can step up and be another core player of this team.

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by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT

by mykelala01 on Dec 22, 2011 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

The Heat seem to be fine without a fanchise Center.

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by Badly Browned on Dec 22, 2011 5:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'd say it's Lee...

…because Monta duplicates a lot of Curry’s strengths. Sure, it’s good to have some interchangeable guys who can also play together for added offensive threat, but if one gets hurt or traded, the other can fill his role.

As for Lee, his combination of jumpers, offensive boards and especially passing isn’t really duplicated by anyone else on the team. Sure, he’s a liability on D, but I think that’s at least in part due to effort and can be remedied over time.

As for the rest, Udoh’s great on D but needs to rebound more and develop some offensive game (showing signs of the latter), Wright’s too much of an outside player, which we have plenty of, and Beans is just now trying to find his way back from B-ball purgatory and hasn’t really played a key role on the team for a few years now.

by MightyMegalodon on Dec 22, 2011 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

Regardless of who our core player is, we wont be a legit playoff team with Steph as our best player.

by KillaE415 on Dec 22, 2011 3:13 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Certainly not in the Western Conference, which is...

… why I’m for a system that’ll just put the top 16 teams in the league into the playoffs.

by MightyMegalodon on Dec 22, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted Udoh for defense

but in reality, we have to realize that the team isn’t good enough as is. At very best, we’re 8th seed this season, and that itself is a stretch especially considering Steph’s bum ankle. I think we should blow up the team, trade for picks if possible or expiring contracts.

by jpees on Dec 22, 2011 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

Monta Ellis

If I had to choose a core player other than Curry, it’d be Monta. You have to ignore his height and focus on his positive because they outweigh his flaws. He’s a top 3 point guard behind Wade and Bryant. He can easily play the 1 as well, which makes him is versatile. He did after all average the most assists/ game last year for all shooting guards. As a core player, you need to be consistent for your team and Monta provides that consistency 9 times out of 10 in comparison to Lee, Udoh, Wright, and Beans.

David Lee is a solid PF, but also a bit undersized and way overpaid. He definitely has not been as productive on the Warriors as he was on the Knicks. He lacks defensive skills, making him a one dimensional guy who rebounds the ball. He also doesn’t have a complimentary big man who makes up for his flaws…

Bring me to Beans. Andris will never develop a jumper or an outside game beyond the paint. He’s also like Lee, but with even less offensive game. Therefore you can’t just throw it into the post to him and expect points. This eliminates the big men because they can’t be mainstays for long. Eventually you are going to need a big man who can defend the dominate PF’s or C’s in the league, but also dominate on the offensive end.

Udoh is still young and his post moves are improving. He provides shot blocking, but rebounds at a low rate for his size. He could eventually become a starting PF someday, but in the role he has now I don’t see him contributing enough off the bench. If he comes in for Beans or Lee, he’ll need to provide some offensive punch, which he doesn’t posses yet.

Dorell Wright is a reliable three, but his defense is a bit over rated. He seems slow at times and is a streaky shooter. He doesn’t provide versatility on the offense and is more one dimensional, sticking to threes or open jump shots.

So Monta is the most well rounded and complete player out of the group. He should be considered as a core piece on any team despite his defensive flaws. He has shown that when he commits himself on the defensive end he can be one of the best at shutting down opposing 1’s pr 2’s.

by Brandonhaha on Dec 22, 2011 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

David Lee is a solid PF, but also a bit undersized and way overpaid. He definitely has not been as productive on the Warriors as he was on the Knicks. He lacks defensive skills, making him a one dimensional guy who rebounds the ball. He also doesn’t have a complimentary big man who makes up for his flaws…

That is a very strange bunch of criticisms to make of somebody if you’re making an argument in favor of Monta Ellis. You agree that being undersized is a problem – Monta’s size is more of a problem than Lee’s size. Lee isn’t, in fact, undersized at all. You agree that lacking defensive skills is a problem – Lee’s had a smaller negative impact on his team’s defense than Monta has. You say that being one-dimensional is a problem – but Monta is more one-dimensional than Lee, who rebounds, scores efficiently, and is a good and willing passer.

To wit, one could rewrite the above paragraph to say:

Monta is … a bit undersized and way overpaid. He definitely has not been as productive with Baron Davis setting him up.. He lacks defensive skills, making him a one dimensional guy who scores in volume, with low efficiency. He also doesn’t have a complimentary big man who makes up for his flaws…

But, of course, if you think that Monta is the third-best shooting guard in the league, you’re really not being objective about anything.

by Ronaldinho on Dec 22, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

well said

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by steffun4tw on Dec 22, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Monta's over paid but...

Monta goes out there pretending he’s kobe taking 21 shots. He was efficent back in 07 because he wasn’t the number one option, more like number 3. Coach Jackson needs to give Curry(an efficent pg) the driver seat so Monta can focus on choosing his shots WISELY. I can’t stand it when Monta is constantly throwing up 4-5 heat checks a game.

For the record, I think the warriors can build around Curry and Ellis, but it might take forever. The smartest thing to do is to trade Monta for a franchise center.(with DEFENSE!!) That’s when all of the free agents will be fine with taking a pay cut to be on the roster. ANYWAYS… Curry will most likely leave respectfully unless this happens before his contract is up and we will continue to have the reputation of being one of the most unwanted places to play.

by GSWeri on Dec 22, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Andre Iguodala

"I didn't hold up no middle fingers. My middle finger is crooked so it sticks out. Maybe that's what was showing." -Metta World Peace

by Butterknuckles on Dec 22, 2011 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Such a tough question

I hate to skirt an answer, but it really depends. The situation is such that Curry’s contract is going to come up and the Warriors are going to need to present to him a gameplan that will convince him to stay. For us to think the Lakers are not going to make a play for Steph would be foolish; they’ve needed a PG for years now. But the Warriors are going to need to work the phones for trades and during the off-season continue to pursue the best free agents possible to create a core that will be attractive to Curry. Since Ellis seems to be the team’s best trade asset to land a player to put next to Curry/player x (Monta or Lee), my best guess would be the Warriors find a way to package Ellis for a piece, not because Ellis is the worse talent than Lee, but because Ellis can produce the best return to create a core of three solid NBA players. As critical as we can be of Lee’s game, he’s a solid pro that would complement a large defensive center within reason (not Dwight Howard) like a Bynum or in the case the Warriors land Josh Smith, an Emeka Okafor perhaps. J Smith/Lee/Okafor would be a good froncourt plan for the Warriors to put with Curry. On the flip side, so would DWright/Lee/Bynum. It’s all really situational.

But you gotta think it’s Curry/Lee and the best player for Ellis as the Warriors’ core of three.

So if this plays out accordingly, it would be Lee as the piece to pair with Curry.

by eastbayglory on Dec 22, 2011 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Sadly

No one.

I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Dec 22, 2011 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

Curry's the other core player

Monta’s the core player

Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".

by Baygiant11 on Dec 22, 2011 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

For the And 1 streetball team.

by Uwe Blog on Dec 22, 2011 6:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

David Lee

He can be our franchise player for sure because he can compliment probably any players we get by trading Curry or Ellis for years to come.

"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton

by Nelow on Dec 22, 2011 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

David Lee is, unfortunately, the obvious choice for me. I think your core players have to be multi-dimensional, and Lee can score efficiently, rebound, and is probably undervalued as a passer. He stinks defensively, and is probably best suited as the 3rd best player in a three man core, but you can fit pieces around him and Curry that augment their strengths.

Udoh is fairly one-dimensional: he’s a shot blocker. By extension, he’s a good weak-side defender, but I think that’s part of the same dimension. If he had a strong second dimension — say, if he could rebound worth a damn — then he’d be a shoe-in over Lee. But as it is, he’s a role player.

Monta could perhaps be a core player, somewhere. I don’t think he can be a core player on this team. The Curry/Monta backcourt might be workable, and certainly entertaining offensively, but if you’re counting on the two of them to make up your core players, then you’ve done something wrong. Short of Dwight Howard, LBJ, or a handful of other all-world, two-way players, I don’t think there are any others that are great enough on defense to make up for the backcourt’s shortcomings, while also being good enough on offense to supplement their scoring.

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by ivanbe on Dec 22, 2011 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

David Lee

Most consistent big man play; more reliable than Monta for an all around effort. The Steph/DLee pick and roll is a thing of beauty.

by thissistheN on Dec 22, 2011 6:09 PM PST reply actions  

Who is the Golden State Warriors Other Core Player?

It’s a bad sign that we even have to think about this question. The answer should come quick like CP3 and Blake, Kobe and Pau, or even Tyreke and Cuz not slow like Curry and ????
Any other western teams in the same position? Maybe portland now that ROY’s gone?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2011 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

Aldridge and Mathews

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by Brownie13 on Dec 22, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry and ???? are miles better than Tyreke and Cuz.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry and ???? are miles better than Tyreke and Cuz.

Haha , might be Cuz and Jimmer now? As a building block Cuz is probably worth more than any two of our players though .

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Skep, your fascination with Cousins is baffling to me. He’s young and skilled enough that he may yet turn into an effective player, but you can say that about a ton of young skilled guys who haven’t yet put it together. As of now, he’s just a terrible basketball player. Did you miss the last Warriors game, in which he went 2-9 from the floor with 9 turnovers and played a weak-ass, flopping brand of D that made Devin Harris look like Dikembe Mutombo? (I know, you didn’t miss it — you were there in the game thread singing his praises as if he were playing well!) The sad thing is, that type of losing effort is fairly typical of his NBA performance to date. Career: .484 ts, 4.2 tov and 5.2 fouls per 36.

I’m a sucker for upside, so I might take DMC over Udoh, but I certainly wouldn’t take him over a young, proven NBA performer (with still some upside) like Curry. Gun to my head, if I had to take one player from that sorry Kings roster, I think I’d take the Jimmer.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 AM PST up reply actions  

you still haven't learned, eh Sleepy?
Gun to my head, if I had to take one player from that sorry Kings roster, I think I’d take the Jimmer.

small guard with no D?

are you really Don Nelson?

I get what you are saying about Cuz, but I would still rather take a flyer on him just because of upside. I think the Jimmer is awesome, but his game looks like it will just be limited to one side of the court (not to mention, he doesn’t really work with our roster)

"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Skep, your fascination with Cousins is baffling to me.

Size sleepy, Size! Cuz is huge with very good skills for a big man .My son lives in Sac so i’ve seen Cuz in person and he looks young but lots of potential. Cuz has the size and strength to get in an bang with the boys plus his free throw is good enough that he’s not afraid of drawing fouls and his outside shot is good enough that he’s not afraid to ask for the ball anywhere on the court. I think the right coach could mold him into a great centerpiece for a winning team.

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 23, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Physically cousins is legit

I’m not so sure about him mentally. He’s been fighting immaturity and mental stigmas since high school. Instead of trying to show his head is on straight he acts out and complains that people think he’s a headcase.

Look at someone like Rasheed. Yes, he’s a very good player (borderline hof) but he could have been so much better. I don’t see cousins being as good as him though.

If the Nba was strictly about physical skills it would be a different story. But the mental aspect plays a much bigger part than you are giving attention to.

by dsham001 on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Up to him but he can turn that around. Remember Noah was a head case for a few years and most young athletes are to some extent.

"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."

Frank Zappa

by qin on Dec 23, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

And Phoenix has...

Steve Nash and Grant Hill…except their combined age is like 100 lol

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by Brownie13 on Dec 23, 2011 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna say Monta

With the legal situation, the endless underestimators and a possibly tough season overhead, I could see Monta escaping to the court to let out some frustration.

"I gots ta say the nay no." - Pootie Tang

by Tremendous Hops on Dec 22, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

It's David Lee

He’s got the big contract and he’s signed the longest.

by Uwe Blog on Dec 22, 2011 6:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

this

not sure how there is really much of a debate on this.

I mean, I know we are being asked to pick the ONE other guy, so could see an argument for Monta as well. Obviously, if Monta and Steph manage to figure it out together this season, those are our two guys.

But Lee is on a huge contract, he’s a damn solid (offensive) player and those two guys both fit well with our other pieces. Granted, we still are sorely lacking a post defender (but I think Udoh can kinda fill that role)..I love Lee’s game, and I think it is a given that he is here long-term, now that we used our amnesty provision

"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Monta Ellis

He’s our best player.

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by Brownie13 on Dec 22, 2011 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

Why?

PPG

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

No. That's not why.

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by Brownie13 on Dec 23, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

eyeballs

because sometimes you need to ignore the facts and substitute in your own perception of reality

"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Who's ignoring facts?

http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/

by Brownie13 on Dec 24, 2011 3:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Who's ignoring facts?

anyone who’s a coach , player, or optimistic fan of a historically losing team?
unless the facts are that they are trying to lose or enjoy the losing?

Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 25, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

the core player for the dubs has to be nick van excel

I think that he and Brian cardinal bring the energy to the pricked every night

Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man

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by operation carrot on Dec 22, 2011 7:49 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Of all of the guys here

Monta is the best, but David Lee is the most important low post option. I think Curry, ellis, and Lee make up a good and young three headed core group. It’s flawed due to lack of defensive dominance, and also because Curry and Ellis make a short backcourt, but this is still a big three that can score with the best of them.

by thewiz06 on Dec 22, 2011 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

To the FO....

Obviously Monta, especially if the allegations are true and that the FO tried to sweep this under the rug for him.

I don’t really see us having a secondary core player behind Steph Curry. Ellis is close, but from what I have seen the past few seasons, the Warriors have not really suffered to greatly when he is absent from the lineup.

by ajtrinc on Dec 22, 2011 9:00 PM PST reply actions  

The past two seasons, they’ve suffered significantly more when he’s been present.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Udoh

I’m thinking if Lee is still our starting PF in 3 years we probably still suck.

by Critical Roach on Dec 22, 2011 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

If Lee sucks

then the whole Warriors team sucks more. And we are talking about playoff? Still??

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not totally out of the question

a couple of key injuries to other teams, none to our team, AND our defense significantly improves without much drop in offense…playoffs are technically possible (assuming our key guys continue to develop and improve)

"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

says the man with a DLee-inspired screen name

"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

A core player should have a strong foundation

Curry’s ankles are ridiculous. Monta is so much more durable. He’s been asked to do so many things. His teammates have been really bad, and he’s suffered for it. Even though they have more success without him on the court in small sample sizes.

The Monta h8 is ratcheted up again, marginalizing this site even more. Scapegoated and hated. Go ahead and build around a gimpy tweener guard who can’t guard anyone.

by eshock on Dec 22, 2011 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

Even though they have more success without him on the court in small sample sizes.

It’s not that small: over the past two seasons, 5,872 minutes on court and 2,040 minutes off. And the difference over that time has been fairly significant: -5.02 RAPM when he’s played. I think it’s reasonable to say that these numbers aren’t necessarily predictive, and that in a better system he could return to the highly effective player he was in 2007-08. But it’s really not reasonable to say he’s been a positive producer over the past two seasons.

On the other hand, Curry, gimpiness and rookie/sophomore mistakes notwithstanding, has been a very positive producer: +5.59 APM. Sort of makes sense, given that he’s been a much more efficient scorer than Monta (at only slightly lower volume), better rebounder, better passer, and at least slightly less inept at guarding his position.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 23, 2011 5:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The Monta h8 is ratcheted up again
Go ahead and build around a gimpy tweener guard who can’t guard anyone.

Wait, what? Who’s H8ing now?

by olympicmike on Dec 23, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Go ahead and build around a gimpy tweener guard who can’t guard anyone.

That’s exactly why we aren’t building around Monta.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 23, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Beans

Voted for Beans, we need a big man to produce. Beans back to his original form of 2007 would be awesome, and we can contend for play-offs. Or we need Epke to step up. He is coming along awesome.

by DaveinSJ on Dec 23, 2011 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

Beans

he is definitely one of our most important players this year (for all the reasons you point out above)…but it would be a gigantic leap for him to play so well this year as to cement himself in as a key member of our core team…right now, we just don’t have anything better (except Udoh…still not sure why he’s not our starting C)

"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

We have ZERO core players

I don’t think Steph is our core player. He’s very nice and all that jazz but expendable. In terms of what others think (players) Monta is viewed as a core player. If we are to become relevant as a franchise, monta’s pull with othe players will be key. He is viewed very highly amongst nba circles, more so than Steph.
If you are looking for leadership as a trait in your core player, David Lee would qualify. Based on all factors (skills, contract, age, desire to lead, etc) Lee is most probably our core player.

I think the better question is Who is our core player?

by dsham001 on Dec 23, 2011 10:10 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Monta Ellis

Gotta be Monta. I’m not sold on Curry yet, too inconsistent, and a little over hyped. People around here act like he’s the 2nd coming.

by Coldlampin on Dec 23, 2011 10:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

The answer is

Mark Jackson. This player is teaching the team how to play better defense, which is the biggest improvement this team can make. Mark Jackson being a legitimate player is the most important part of our team.

by jpgarfunkle on Dec 23, 2011 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

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