Recap #3: Golden State Warriors 92, New York Knicks 78 - Greed Is Good, So Are Brandon Rush And Monta Ellis
by Poor Man's Commish on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 PM PST
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Without Stephen Curry, the Warriors built a solid foundation with starting pg Ish Smith early on, followed by Brandon Rush, who was the best player on the court as the Dubs' announcers would proclaim, and finally framed by a Monta Ellis supernova finish with 12 points and 7 assists in the 4th quarter alone.
Afterwards in the post-game press conference, Coach Mark Jackson said he told the team, "Greed is good."
Let us reminisce...
- Opening gate: Ish Smith gets the start, which can be debated if you consider the height of Landry Fields. The other option could have been to start Brandon Rush so you'd have Dorell Wright at the other wing and Monta at the point. But maybe Mark wanted Monta to finish at the point -- and not wear him down for the stretch -- and therefore started Ish?
- So anyways, Ish penetrates a few times and makes a few jumpers. I (scathingly?) commented that that was exactly what the Warriors were looking for from Jeremy Lin last year and hardly ever got. Here, Ish is doing it almost routinely.
- Let's be critical and not give the Dubs 100% of the credit. Some of the blame has to be laid on the Knicks. They looked atrocious. But then again, so did the Bulls on Monday night. Carmelo Anthony shot 3-for-13. Amare Stoudemire showed some flashes, but couldn't overpower his defender. It's the combination, probably. I'm drinking Mark Jackson's Kool-Aid: (paraphrasing) "Teams used to come here thinking they could run all night and pad their stats. That will no longer be the case." Most teams will go through a dry spell at some point in 48 minutes. In the past, they figured the Warriors would wilt at some point and things will just be okay on their own. The Bulls and now the Knicks have gotten caught with their pants down.
- I gotta say, David Lee played like crap out the gate. Dude, stop trying to create all the time. Anyways, I don't think Mark Jackson minds all that much, as long as that junk is not in crunch time. Roll the dice early, see what you get, maybe he has one of those nights where your eye pops out looking at the boxscore next morning, maybe not. Probably not. Plenty of basketball to be played.
- Brandon Rush sat down with three early fouls, but in the third, came alive, made some stops, and took no prisoners. Refreshing to see a Warrior impact the game like that with the hard-nosed approach. Not sure we've seen that since, hmmm... Mitch Richmond? Discuss in the comments!
- A couple of nice moves by Ekpe Udoh. Nice to see those flashes from a young player trying to put together a string of those in the future. Some good beastin' again by Kwame Brown.
- Dominic McGuire: great one-on-one defense on not only Melo, but Amare in the 4th. Even made a jumper late, although I see that his off-axis spin of his shot has not improved since Summer League.
- Monta dazzled even people on International NBA League Pass halfway across the world (see my Twitter timeline) with his speed, quickness, awkward dribbling that only gets saved by his incredible athleticism, to close things out. It was like Ish Smith and Brandon Rush helped paint the picture and Monta provided the framing of it.
Here are some glass-half-empty observations:
- Klay Thompson's too upright when he dribbles. This prevents him from having any type of explosiveness.
- Sometimes the dynamics of a roster quirk (Steph's injury) can bring out a character of a team you didn't know it had. Sometimes it allows certain other guys to step up. Warrior fans are hoping some of the magic uncovered tonight isn't just a flash in the pan.
- Mark is clearly not focusing much attention on offense. Lots of times, it just looks like ragged Summer League ball out there on offense. But as he says, (when Steph's back) there's enough talent on this team to not worry too much about scoring.
- I don't see much improvement in Dorell's game, although last year he really improved to get to where he is now. Not that I don't like what he brings to the table, but if the Warriors are a playoff team, mark my words, Brandon Rush is the starting small forward at that point in time. As I said in my previous scouting report, he's like a Poor Man's David West without the post up ability.
Ish, Rush, and Dominic made me look good tonight. Check my timeline and follow me on Twitter for other tidbits from the game: @poormanscommish.
...goes to Brandon Rush!
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Wow I did not expect that much production from our bench guys and guys like Ish Smith.
They played great tonight, even withstood a poor shooting first half. What a difference playing a bit of defense can help you overcome!
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
+1 kenntoe..I walked away thinking that Rush should be a starter at the 2 while Curry is out.
Have to say though that if MJ’s plan all along was start with Ish at the point then move in with the change up with Monta at point later on then it was a brilliant ploy.
Monta was Chuky the chucker first half which derailed any hope of team offense but seemed perfect in his 4th Q role.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 29, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Jordan Brand sign this man!!!
"Ain't no way."- Monta Ellis. (when asked if someone can guard him)
Follow me @Kjestrada_ on twitter.
by Kjestrada on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
Did Monta wait in line for Air Jordan XI Concord? I remember Pietrus waiting in line for the Sony PSP release.
j/k.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
I am totally buying into
and drinking Mark Jackson’s Kool-aid as well. Maybe its like spacejam and they’re drinking “Mark’s secret stuff” instead of Mike’s
The players are gonna start seeing the benefits of hustling on defense and are gonna embrace and run away with it. No worries about the offense, cornucopia of talent.
And Monta wearing the “Concords” was dope.
by SilverandBlackEneg23 on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 PM PST reply actions
One thing that stood out when I looked at the box score
Look at the assist totals for the top five scorers:
Monta 8
Lee 1
Smith 4
DWright 2
Rush 2
Compared with the Knicks:
Amare 0
Fields 3
Walker 0
Melo 1
Douglas 2
Yes, I know: this can be sliced and diced A LOT of ways. But I’m impressed at how willing they are to share the ball. The fact that Monta is getting 8 assists just by driving and dishing tells you how effective he and Steph can be IF Monta plays to his strengths.
Also
Looks like Ekpe has been working on his back to basket game over the summer! He looked GREAT for the minutes he played!
Yep thats 2 out of 4 special games for Udoh.
He looks so confident when he is “on” …it seems that he could eventually become consistant with some minutes.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Could also be because Amare and Melo weren't making anything...
…robbing the passer of the assist.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
I was impressed with Monta in the 4th, because he was able to settle down and not force things. During the first half, I was just thinking about all the stuff that people here would say about “bad Monta”, and rightfully so. I think he had one assist going into halftime and most of his shots were not good ones.
I loved how they switched to a high pick and roll in the 4th, and then Monta would just blow by whoever was guarding him and then just dish it off as soon as defenders closed out on him. What I loved even more though was the give and go with Lee. He wanted to shoot the 3, but instead dumped it down to Lee, and cut to the hoop for the layup. After that, Monta started hitting from the outside. He did force the 3ptr at the top of the key, but at least it went in, and at least we had a decent lead at the time.
The score
Was 92 to 78, not 92 to 72.
by Dr Jay23 on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Well said
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
I’m somewhat concerned about Dorell also; he doesn’t seem to be finding as much space to get shots up as last year, and while his man usually bites on his pump fake, he’s got nothing else to do with the ball. One big positive from Dorell thus far, though: he’s rebounding the ball well.
Formerly ffgolden.
i don’t know that i buy that he isn’t finding as much space. he seems hesitant to take shots when they are there. there are a lot of 3’s and midrange shots he had available that he would take last year, but this year he will pump fake giving the defender time to close the gap then try to drive without much authority.
by dannyschmanny on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
If you were in the open thread, then I'm going to sound like I'm repeating myself.
But I think the main thing that changed the game in the 4th qtr was Mark Jackson changing the offense and placing Lee and Rush (I think) around the top corners of the keys. Then he placed DWright, McGuire (I think) and Monta outside the 3 pt line. This drew the Knicks defense away from the paint and left the mid/lower paint completely EMPTY. This opened up space for Monta to run some plays with Lee several times or just go in and finish himself. Ironically, this was the Keith Smart offense from last season, or more generally, the Horns offense (I think that’s what it’s called).
And that’s how we broke down the Knicks defense, which had been clogging the paint most of the evening. Good call, Mark Jackson and/or assistant coaches.
yes, i think that was defintely a factor as well
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
But at least they were smart enough to exploit him.
Or at least I think that’s what they were trying to do. Then again, maybe the fouls were just that ticky-tacky. Clearly he was frustrated.
And gotta give props to Malone and Jackson for drawing up two excellent game plans.
I may have had a sip of that cool aid too!
Boy, that second half was great!
Monta was great as a PG in the 4th.
And can we credit Jackson for using Ish to run the Knicks into the ground early?
Mcguires D was to me the biggest factor, although Rush looked so damn good tonight. Didn’t know he was such a high pick and has a bronze medal…great trade for us
And finally, I’m totally sold on Udoh, he needs to get more minutes
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Also, class act by Dantoni to put Lin during garbage time
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 28, 2011 11:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This. Although I couldn’t tell if he got cheered or booed by the home crowd.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
He was cheered
If you heard boos it was because when he had the ball, people were yelling “shoooot” which could sound like boos.
he also won a championship with kansas against….memphis when they had Rose.
by dannyschmanny on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
and got there by beating davidson wth their starting guard, curry
by JustSomeName on Dec 29, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Was at the game today…
McGuire was playing some tough defense on Melo in the fourth.
Brandon Rush is sick.
Ish Smith has great handles.
Monta was killing the team in the third, as soon as he went out (losing by about 8) we went on a run and took the lead. Luckily he came through in the fourth.
And most importantly:
PLAY UDOH MORE WHAT AM I MISSING
Saw a Rock mention
Must Find and Eliminate Target:
One of the few “What If’s” i will never get over along with MJ not retiring both times
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 PM PST reply actions
Mark is clearly not focusing much attention on offense. Lots of times, it just looks like ragged Summer League ball out there on offense. But as he says, (when Steph’s back) there’s enough talent on this team to not worry too much about scoring.
Agreed. Something that needs to be pointed out is the Warriors weren’t an offensive power in the past few seasons, we just played a fast pace. We need to improve our offense a lot too.
I didn’t see the game, i’m on vacation but It looks like another quality win against a good opponent. Knicks are overrated by my book but beating a good team is nothing to scoff at. YOLO.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 AM PST reply actions
yolo
is a hall at chico state
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wooo go wildcats
so you’re a communications/ sports guy? I think that’s what’s there. I’m in butte and modify mostly.
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
mostly= modoc
stupid phone
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Haha yeah exercise physiology
Yolo is the Kinesiology department (my major is a sub category).
I went to school in Yolo county
by tafkasam on Dec 29, 2011 7:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
YOLO? me no know no YOLO
I know Vallejo and Ice Cube song “Really Doe”
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
You talk about Stepho not playing…
You talk about Monta resembling phillip seymour hoffman in ‘along came polly’ fo 3 quarters
You talk about David Lee looking like Anthony Randolph
Ha. In all seriousness, a really impressive win considering the above. Does a Nellie or Smart team do anything but lose by 30.
The offense will come. the NBA as a whole is looking gross on O. No Steph either….
by tafkasam on Dec 29, 2011 7:24 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
a really impressive win considering the above. Does a Nellie or Smart team do anything but lose by 30.
They did the same exact thing over the last 2 years when the good teams didn’t take us seriously. We’d win big when we shoulda lost then lose big when we should had a good chance of winning. The key will be when guys like Rose, Amare, and Mellow have their normal game and we still win, until then it’s just scrubs playin over their head. You seriously think Rush is a star?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
youre definintely living up to your name as a skeptic
but i dont blame you, being a warriors fan for so long, im sure we’re all a bit skeptical with this nice start to the season
by JustSomeName on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
You seriously think Rush is a star?
Who said anything about Rush being a star? They just said he had a great game and filled a scoring need while our starting point guard was out and offense was stagnant for three quarters.
I agree though: I’d like to see what happens if teams start taking the Warriors seriously. Don’t know why they weren’t in the first place…
Don’t know why they weren’t in the first place…
They did that last year and the year before too . We easily beat some teams we shoulda lost to then lost to teams we shoulda beat.
I think the better teams just look at our players and our past record and think they don’t have to try but our old d-leaguers or our current marginal players are hungry so they over achieve and the hot shots don’t face the fact they they have to match our energy till it’s too late. The better teams might also just not want to waste the effort to pull out a win here since they know they will be in the playoffs already and they view the regular season as a tuneup for the playoffs. They might just be saving their energy for the teams they think they will hafta face in the playoffs so we become a non factor to them?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
They might just be saving their energy for the teams they think they will hafta face in the playoffs so we become a non factor to them?
In a shortened regular season, I think that’s foolish, especially when they have to play catch-up and have no momentum going their way. Yeah, I know it’s the pros and it doesn’t mean the same as college, but a losing record with so many back to backs and little rest seems like a disaster for team chemistry. You don’t need mental fatigue and frustration bringing you down with the grind of a schedule like this.
In a shortened regular season, I think that’s foolish, especially when they have to play catch-up and have no momentum going their way. Yeah, I know it’s the pros and it doesn’t mean the same as college, but a losing record with so many back to backs and
They won’t have a losing record when it matters at seasons end and momentum now doesn’t mean much to a playoff team then. A couple more regular season wins means more to a bottom feeding team than it does to a top of the food chain team. They probably prefer to save their energy and emotion for the teams they think will be playoff threats to them? Sorta like when Shaq would take off part of the regular season to save it for the playoffs?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Rush may not be a star, but he could be a part of a winning team
Look, our core 3 (ellis, binky, lee) can’t play a lick of D…ok, maybe a lick or two but they’ll never get to the center of that tootsie pop
We will bever have balanced players (unless we go full rebuild) so I totally support the Dubs moves of bringing in guys known for D – commune them with our offense only dudes, and it all works out (at least twice so far)
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
so I totally support the Dubs moves of bringing in guys known for D – commune them with our offense only dudes, and it all works out (at least twice so far)
yeah ,it will be great if it can continue. We’ll know a lot more after a long road trip.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s be critical and not give the Dubs 100% of the credit. Some of the blame has to be laid on the Knicks. They looked atrocious. But then again, so did the Bulls on Monday night.
You gotta give the Warriors a bit more credit, them containing Rose and Carmelo, and to a lesser extent Stoudemire and Griffin, means it’s not actually “off nights” for these star players, but that the Warriors are actually playing defense and pestering them!
Agreed. We would be 3-0 without atrocious shooting performance on opening night.
I hope all 29 teams look at Warriors with the same myth colored glasses(no D, seven seconds offense, small ball,…) this season. They will be unpleasantly surprised!
Today, the Warriors are in the playoffs
Now, let’s just see how long we can keep saying that. If we can say it after the last game of the year, then it was a very good year.
I’m in LA and can’t see the game, but the highlights look amazing. I love the defense.
They’ve played the Clippers, the Bulls and the Knicks and are still in the playoffs. This is a very promising sign.
Top of the Division.
Yeah ,I know …only 3 games in but I cannot remember actually seeing that in the past decade.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
great win
a win we would have had no chance of getting in past years. jackson gets a lot of credit for this one. pulling monta in the 3rd was the turning point of the game, and it seemed to have gotten thru to monta as well since he exploded in the 4th
Rookie coaches aren’t supposed to have this great an impact their first season right??? ;)
Mark Jackson… you da’ man!
by ap3604 on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 AM PST reply actions
I love how Jackson takes a 20 sec. timeout after a defensive collapse!
That’s coaching 101, and it helps the team stay focused on D for 48 minutes.
I really liked this too.
What I didn’t like: Fitz telling us what Jackson is going to coach on the sideline at multiple points in last night’s game.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Fitz
Also has the annoying habit of combining two guys’ stats and then presenting the combined total like it’s one dude ex: biedrens and brown
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So should Klay go to the D-league? Haven’t watched the game yet (DVRed most of it, got home with them being up by 20).
No
He needs NBA minutes, but gonna be hard with Dorell, Rush, and McGuire all in front of him.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 29, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
No
He doesn’t seem out of place. I think one of the main reasons he only got 8 minutes was Carmelo. That’s a terrible matchup for him.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Agreed
Thompson can shoot and handle. Remember he has no Summer League and no preseason. Curry sucked his rookie year until December (After Summer league, Preseason, 15-20 real games). Nellie kept with him until Curry had monster games in late December
Thompson’s weak spot is defense, he cannot guard Melo very well. Mcquire, Dorrell and Rush were the guys for last night.
GS has adopted a strategy of having players who do two things well, and placing them in positions to be successful. Thompson;s time will come, but not against Melo. He can crazy shoot.
you know what
I’ll say yes, let him find a shooting stroke, and get comfortable passing and whatnot, and then call him back up. IMHO, I’ve hated how he’s played so far… but maybe he just needs to heat up.
Just doing a little devil’s advocate lol
is it just me, or is brandon rush making both
monta or steph look pretty expendable…..
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Nope not at all
2 borderline all stars are not replaced by a career role player who has 1 beast game , if anything he makes DW more expendable . I hate when people have to try and find a spin around trading one of our guards
RIP Al Davis
Yeah, this
Rush is not really making anyone expendable except maybe DWright
I’d still prefer to keep both though
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Quit hatin on DWright
You sound like a Pacer’s fan. They trade players on a whim. That’s how Warriors got WE BELIEVE and Brandon Rush in the first place.
DWright broke the 3-point record last year, as well as our top defender. Do you realize he was helping to shut down Melo as well as grab 8 rebounds. The Warriors must have deefense!!!!! Isnt that what Anti Nellie Dub fans want? DWright is a quality player AND individual. WE NEED him and dont need to trade him for ‘Sweet Lou’ Amundson and nullify the Brandon Rush trade.
Dude
You saw me say “keep both”?
Chill
"You don't need to be an Adonis to be a good pro player...
…but Lee looks like he’s lived in zero gravity his whole life"
-the Bimbo Coles Experience
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Alright then
Keep the Wings Rush, Wright, and the Dominator, we got no problem, they will protect Monta and Steph…that is Nellie Ball in the spirit of Azibuke, Barnes and Stack Jack. NYC didnt know what hitem.
while i don’t agree he makes anyone look expendable, i also don’t agree with the career role player with 1 beast game. Rush wasn’t a good fit in Indy and was never really given a defining role. They gave him minutes but didnt really define what they wanted out of him and it showed. The Warriors are running under Jackson similar to how Kansas was run by Self when Rush was there and he has a very defined role on this team. yea he had a point outburst last night, but he is a capable scorer and could easily be starting above Wright. What’s great is that he has been dependable and consistent in all 3 games. I agree on hating when people have to try and find a spin for trading a guard. I’ve never felt you could judge if the backcourt can work or not until you got some size in the lineup and people actually playing defense. By the looks of it, this backcourt really can work and the team is playing in a nature that will put them on the map to free agents in the future if they can sustain it.
by dannyschmanny on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
The Wings protect the guards plain and simple -
Even if our guards get beat, we have defenders who hustle and double — test will be on the road.
He's always been good, but still a role player never a key core guy
He’s not going to replace Ellis or Curry
RIP Al Davis
Nah
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 29, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
also
monta has developed his passing game. a lot
give him credit folks
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Is it me or does Rush look like a miniture Sam Perkins?
(His looks, not his game)
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
whole time i was watching rush play...
im like he reminds me of someone….BAM THOWARD came to mind too.
also looks like rudy gay in a way…
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Monta's first half was one of the worst individual games I've seen ever.
He honestly looked completely checked out
He was just lulling the Knicks into a false sense of security
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12 pts 7 assists 0 turnovers in the fourth enuf said
I would nt trade him for Chris Paul. He shined during an otherwise off night. Perseverence is his middle name.
I would nt trade him for Chris Paul.
don’t worry you’ll never get that chance
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I would nt trade him for Chris Paul. He shined during an otherwise off night.
Good thing you’re not the GM
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 29, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
The variety and versatility we showed last night was awesome
I’ve been harping on the need to play more 3 wing, 1 big lineups and we did it last night with success. Some of it was match ups, but a lot of it was Dorell, Rush and MacGuire’s ability to guard anyone and switch. I liked that a lot
I honestly, think if we somehow traded Monta + Biedrins + kwame + filler for howard + hedo, we’d be a legitimate west contender this year.
We are 7th in points allowed
Means we are actually playing defense.
Trading Amundson for Rush reverses the curse of trading Richmond for Owens!
Go Warriors!
Well
Our pace has also slowed to 16th in the league.
Our defensive rating on basketball reference (points per 100 possessions) has us listed as 11th in the NBA though. That’s pretty good.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
D-Fense! We havent given up 25+ points....
in 7 straight quarters.
Run and gun is exciting but winning games against quality teams – even more exciting.
i dont know how to read a box score
i meant 7 out of the last 8 qtrs….
still very good
I love seeing them get defensive stops
I’d heard it was fun to see, but being a Ws fan, was unfamiliar with the concept
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Also related....
the knicks-side recap on Postin/toastin on SBblogs is self-deprecatingly funny
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2011/12/29/2667013/warriors-92-knicks-78-this-game-is-yucky
why so much complaining about dorell's pump fake?
He is not useless when he penetrates either. I’m watching NBA network’s replay and just saw him dish to two open 3pt shots
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I don’t like his pump fake right now because he hasn’t established himself this season as a major threat on the perimeter. If he’s not shooting well, a disciplined defender is not going to bite on his fake. He’s also not really doing much after he does the fake. Even if he gets the defender slightly off balance w/ the fake, he’s not shooting it or making a quick move to the hoop.
or finding an open man
You’re right; after his pump fake shakes a defender, he’s like “Now what?”
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i think the main thing is there is a confidence missing in his offensive game right now. the pump fake is fine, but when he makes a move to drive, there is a lack of conviction to it. So he isn’t taking jumpers without hesitation like he did last year and when he drives he isn’t really commited to it. Probably just a hangover of lack of preseason and training camp. I’m sure it will shake off after a handful of games.
by dannyschmanny on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t see the game. Second quality win in a row, though – definitely happy about that. So, what happened? Melo, Amare and Chandler look like they were non-factors (based on box score). I like when Monta has 8 assists. 10 boards in 12 minutes for Kwame? Sounds beastly. 3 steals for Udoh? That’s nice, too. Is Biedrins playing like crap again? Normally not much of a Maguire fan, but looks like he had a solid game…..
chandler foul trouble
beans played well when he was in. he’s anchoring that D to start games.
Yeah, Biedrins looks so much more confident in there
And Kwame looks MUCH better than I expected. I’m liking them as a 2-headed monster that can keep each other fresh, grab some boards, challenge shots and give up some fouls.
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This was legitimately up there with Monta's worst 3 quarters of basketball
4-15 with 3 turnovers in first half doesn’t even begin to describe how bad it was.
He was constantly fumbling the ball. Passes bounced off his head and chest more than once.
I mean he literally looked out of it (which is understandable with the death of his grandmother).
He delivered 12 points ( 4/5 i believe) and 7 assists ALL in the 4th. To give you an idea of how bad it was before.
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Melo looked out of shape/borderline fat. We did a good job of switching who was on him (Dorell, Rush and MacGuire) and ran doubles/trapped him, almost similar to way we did with Dirk in 07 playoffs.
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Amare got similar treatment.
I think D’antoni deserves some of blame, they were both running iso’s on opposite sides, so it was easy for Warriors to trap and zone away without worrying about the other main scorer beating you.
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Chandler got in foul trouble trying to cover for everyone.
Macguire reminded me of Matt Barnes on his best days (aggressive D, rebounding, running court and finishing). You know those days he had too few and far inbetween.
Offensively, Ish impressed me. Reminded me a bit of Barea and Aaron Brooks with quickness, low center of gravity, and ball handling. Looks like a good off the bench player.
Brandon Rush was also excellent all around.
I think D’antoni deserves some of blame, they were both running iso’s on opposite sides, so it was easy for Warriors to trap and zone away without worrying about the other main scorer beating you.
I’m not sure D’Antoni should get the blame here. The reality is that’s the team he was given. They’re badly mismatched and just don’t fit well together. Amare is an amazing finisher and has no one to get him the ball where he needs it, and also an iso scorer when he’s creating for himself. Melo is a ball-dominating volume scorer who does little to nothing to help his teammates offense. Chandler is a finisher, and nothing more. Fields is the ultimate role player. Toney Douglas is…well…Toney Douglas. I’m really not sure what you can do with that team on offense. Total mismatch. It’s why I don’t think they’re that good. If you want to build a contender around Melo, put an amazing defensive team around him and let him play the Derrick Rose offensive role. He can shoulder a huge role (read: carry an offense by himself) at an acceptable efficiency. What he doesn’t do well is complement other good offensive players. I just don’t know where the Knicks go from here…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if there’s one thing I can definitely say about BD with confidence, it’s that you never know what you’re gonna get with him. Maybe he really would go out and make everything work…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Certainly not a long term solution
However, if he ‘wants’ to play (and I have every inclination to think he does), it could easily work for now.
Rumors floated that they are silently shopping Amare, which makes sense. But who is going to give them a good facilitator for Amare?
If they’re shopping Amare they really are just idiots with no real plan. I mean, it does make some sense to shop him, but you don’t just go out and sign a FA to max money to trade him the next year, unless you really just have no direction.
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I think it's pretty obvious they have no direction.
Amare was plan B to begin with, and the moment they got all excited about Carmelo, it was clear that they weren’t going to commit to it.
I still can’t figure out what about Melo got them all excited. The Knicks have the fans and the $ no matter what, and any player that leads them to success is going to be a star. They really don’t need to bring in someone like Melo….
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Danillo could have been a superstar in that market ;)
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 29, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yea and plus before the trade they had a balanced team. They had a good PG in Felton!
by GSWarrior1818 on Dec 29, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they at least had a PG in Felton…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Melo's elite talent
Like him or hate him, He’s one of most talented scorers in NBA. And unlike Amare, he is capable of defending his position, rebounding above his position, posses higher hoops IQ. He’s not a great passer, but he is willing. He does pass out of doubles a lot more than he used to (reminds me of dirk, old dirk got tunnel vision, as he matured he learned to move ball). NYK is just a poor passing team in general
and despite liking the ball, he tends to be fine with PGs.
If they had Paul instead of Amare, I am pretty confident in their ability to compete for a title.
Like him or hate him, He’s one of most talented scorers in NBA
He may have the talent, but not once in his career has he actually turned it into elite production. Decisionmaking matters a lot, and it’s what hinders guys like Melo and Kobe who have all the talent in the world – they simply settle for too many contested jumpers that aren’t good enough shots.
I actually think Amare might be a more capable defender when he puts effort in. Melo might put the effort in more often, but in both cases, they aren’t trying more often than they are. Both weak defenders.
And yeah, Melo is fine with any PG that gives him the entry pass and lets him do his iso thing all possession long. I haven’t seen him work well with a good PG yet, though. ;)
by Missing Barry on Dec 30, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I actually think Amare might be a more capable defender when he puts effort in. Melo might put the effort in more often, but in both cases, they aren’t trying more often than they are. Both weak defenders.
Amare definitely has the excuse of never really being on a team that cared about defense. He’s been playing under D’antonni or a D’antonni system for pretty much his entire career, right? He’s such a great athlete that it seems like he should be capable of playing good defense – but one of the thigns about defense is that how much you care sometimes seems to matter more than how athletic you are.
D'Antoni teams played defense in PHX.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 30, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
There DRTG is better than I would have thought -
- but they were only top half of the league once during his tenure there.
They were never bad.
I’m just being objective here. They were an average defensive team without that much defensive talent.
PG Nash
SG Barbosa
SF Bell
PF Marion
C Amare
How did that team even get close to average defensively? Good coaching i would say.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 31, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
I should say
Rush and MacGuire did a better job in man defense, but Dorell’s help D is very good. Our best D on Melo came that way. Rush and MacGuire are strong and physical enough to not get backed down, quick enough to stay infront and Dorell came over with length and aggressiveness.
Melo was constantly passing out of it. The only positive I’ll give Melo is, Melo 3 years ago would have jacked up 10 more shots and gone 5-23, instead of constantly trying to pass out it. However without a legitimate PG to find the open man, he’d pass it to perimeter and they stalled on ball instead of a quick look to Amare on opposite side.
pump fake works
He just needs to make his second move a lot quicker.
by SilverandBlackEneg23 on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 AM PST reply actions
He pump fakes himself out of his rhythm
What we need to see is him taking more shots after a pump fake. He needs to practice this a ton like dirk practicing off balance shots. Personally, I won’t be satisfied with his pump fake until I see him commit to the point of pump faking before his free throws.
by JoesBurlyCurls on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
DW
I feel that people are focusing in on DWright more this year and closing out when he shoots the three. I think he will be okay. Id like to see him pump fake, then drive when the defender runs at him, which will clear up space in the lane for a drive and pass and perhaps an And 1 opportunity.
Or pump fake, drive into the defender when he bites and get himself to the line
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Agreed
NBA Coaches read and look at opponents and they have scouted DWright on the 3 (he broke the record). He will be fine,just give the man time ! (read minutes Coach Jackson). Coach does appear to have him on a shorter leash than Keith Smart
Coach does appear to have him on a shorter leash than Keith Smart
Well, unlike last year, we actually have a real, NBA quality player we can bring in to replace him…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
DWright actually logged the most minutes against the Knicks.
Dorell isn’t making his shot. However, I noticed he is rebounding extremely well out there, and he has been decent in man-defense, and good on help-defense. I thought McGuire would end up our small ball PF, but looks like it’s been Dorell thus far lol.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 29, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
He's rebounding well, defending, and he has yet to turn the ball over through three games.
His shot isn’t falling, but he’s still finding lots of ways to be a net contributor.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 29, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
I really like Mark Jackson so far.
Pulled Klay out of the game right away in the past 2 games after giving him a quick shot. Kept Ish Smith in for a good amount of time when he was playing well in the first half this game. Pulled Monta out quick in the third quarter when he wasn’t producing well (after the 2nd time he fumbled the basketball). And I really like the idea of if a bench player is producing very well within his first 5 minutes in the game, keep them in there for awhile. He did that with Mcguire this game, Kwame in the last one.
also he knows how to rotate players in really well. keeping some starters in with bench players that compliment each other. rather than just putting 3-5 players in at one time directly from the bench.
by seven72deuce on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
rather than just putting 3-5 players in at one time directly from the bench.
Keith Smart was guilty of this way too much last season, even Fitz would say it seemed like “Hockey substitutions” with bench clearing switches during dead balls
by JustSomeName on Dec 29, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
keeping some starters in with bench players that compliment each other.
It’s very important to have bench players who compliment each other. When you’re on the bench, it really, really helps to have others tell you what a great job you’re doing. In fact, I think that’s why Fesenko was signed. He can compliment Biedrins in Russian.
thoughts on our zone?
We played a dorell 1-2-2 for like the whole 3rd. Seemed to work nicely
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