2008 DraftExpress: Brandon Rush Scouting Profile
I was a big fan of him at Kansas and never really understood why he didn't assert himself in Indiana. A very good fit for us, and a good player.
Can he be the Afflalo, Butler type player we all wanted?
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worst case: kelanne azubuike?!?!?
i’d take a healthy kelanne on this team right now.
+1
Rush reminds me of buike with probably better defense (I don’t remember him blocking much)
No. He's not good. He had a good game, but he's not a good NBA player.
He’s fine as a guy off the bench who can stand in the corner and make threes. That’s it.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm unsure if his D will hold up
But the way he played Melo was VERY positive. Not an easy assignment.
I remember him getting a lot of fouls and not being on him after that.
McGuire did well against him, but Melo looked pretty disinterested the whole night.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
He had hand in his face all game
To simply dismiss last nights defense is short sighted, we played great D on him and shut him down
RIP Al Davis
I said McGuire did well against him.
I’m not sure how you got to dismissal from there.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 29, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
i think we are just beginning to see what Rush can really bring us.
he wasnt consistently good while on the Pacers, but there were flashes.
He has shown that he can do more than just stand in the corner and shoot threes lately.
by SilverandBlackEneg23 on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM PST reply actions
That can be said for a lot of players in the NBA. What matters is consistency.
Let’s see if Rush can do this more than once every 3-5 games.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
If he keeps playing like this he’s gonna get himself a nice payday in July. Good thing we own his rights.
What’s his contract looking like right now?
by chichmoolah on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
2 mill and some change right now.
$2,956,658. I’d take that “change.” He has a QO next season for $4.09M
[Meanwhile, Tolliver is making $2.05M. Not to let the facts get in the way of a good narrative].
If Rush keeps playing like is now (still a fairly big if), the most obvious result is that Klay Thompson is likely to be riding a fair amount of pine this year. Based on what I’ve seen from them so far, I’m fine with that.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
If Rush is better than Klay, what reason is there to make room for Klay to back up the 2? Rush can do both.
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
He'll have the chance to expand his game here.
I have a feeling he’s going to have a breakout yr here, barring injury, and given consistent minutes. What has surprised me is his solid defense, not to mention his game-changing blocks.
On a side note, I must say I enjoyed seeing Chandler struggle. Wonder if he had any second thoughts about his choice after seeing our crowd and team in action.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I repeat, Schlenk and Riley are the second best talent evaluators in the game if not the 1st. I’ll give the edge to R.C Buford and his staff but its very very close. Those guys are great at finding players who other teams looked over and passed on.
I dunno. Hard to rank that. Need years and years of data. Portland’s done a good job over the years (not sure how many people have been there the whole time, though). Houston. Spurs like you said. Celtics? Denver. Thunder. Bulls. Pacers? There are definitely other teams out there with good track records.
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Im trying to think of guys that Portland found that other teams passed on. 1 thing is for sure, no team has a better track record in regards to finding talent from the D-League, I say the Spurs are the best because of their ability to find talent overseas. No team in the league finds more D-League gems than Riley and Schlenk. Getting Dorell is another feather in their hat. I dont think you would find 1 team in the league that would not take Dorell at his salary right now.
Roy, Aldridge, Batum, Matthews were all very good work by Portland, and Fernandez was solid enough, even if he’s disappointed by not really progressing at all.
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
The way they got Aldridge and Roy is only second to how Nellie got Dirk/Nash in 1 trade for best draft day fleeces.
Portland acquired the draft rights to 2nd pick LaMarcus Aldridge a 2007 second-round draft pick from Chicago in exchange for the draft rights to 4th pick Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa
Portland acquired the draft rights to 6th pick Brandon Roy from Minnesota in exchange for the draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye. Previously, Portland acquired the draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye, Raef LaFrentz and Dan Dickau from Boston in exchange for Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a 2008 second-round draft pick
eh
Every team has their own system.
I think without a question Portland, San Antonio, OKC, Houston have drafted better than us. I don’t mean just finding a star but later picks (18-50) finding good contributors.
I think Lacob, recognized this and put a premium on it. I think we’ll get into next years draft, probably not in top 15, but maybe in 20s or 30s, and find good players.
I think drafting well there, is a) no easy task and b) very profitable, especially if it’s someone in first round like Batum. You have him on a small structured deal (I think he’s still below 4 mil) for 4 years, and then he’s restricted.
More teams should really do it, if you can trade from 35 to 25, and feel you are getting a player it’s totally worth giving them cash. Because that second rounder will hit free agency quicker and if he’s good, he’ll get paid (like Marcus Thornton or DeAndre Jordan).
I also like how we learned, ’don’t commit big dollars/years’ unless it’s a guy you’re desperate for.
San Antonio drafted Cory Joseph in the 1st round. I lost respect a little when they did that. In regards to Riley’s drafting ability, He drafted the second best player in my opinion in the 09 draft, drafting Udoh is still a open case but I will agree Paul George seems to be the best pick in our range at this point, however the verdict is still out on Udoh and if he can keep hitting that hook shot in the low post with his ability to shut down PF’s, I would love the Udoh pick alot more.
Agree on Curry
Udoh and Klay are open cases.
But I’m trying not to judge Riley’s moves pre-Lacob.
Direction from management dictate a lot of the moves. Cohan tells him to sell picks, Lacob tells him to buy them.
by tafkasam on Dec 29, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
San Antonio drafted Cory Joseph in the 1st round. I lost respect a little when they did that.
I don’t think that’s warranted. Even if you don’t like the pick, it’s just one pick, and it’s not like expectations for the 29th pick are high or anything. I also think we should try to avoid cherry picking single instances, in all cases…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Nah son, that Joseph pick disgusted me. You’ll see why in a few years. Jenkins is waaaay better than dude. His upside aint even that high.
It’s one pick, at a spot that, on average, does not net you an NBA caliber player. Hard to compare a 22 year old to a 19 year old…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
haha
Why do you dislike Joseph?
I am not high on him so it surprised me, but considering SA track record, Im withholding judgement.
Dude was terrible last season. When I look at the pg’s they passed to get him it makes it even worse. Nobody on the planet had him going in the 1st round in their mock draft. If he is still in the league in 3 years it would shock me.
nobody on the planet had klay thompson going in the top 15 picks of the draft
until jerry west said “i like klay thompson”
Terrible is a bit dramatic, but I’ll agree he definitely wasn’t setting the world on fire. On the other hand, he was 19 playing in the Big-12, compared to 22 year old Jenkins in whatever the hell league Hofstra plays in…
As for the whole mock draft thing, that the Spurs picked him in the 1st round means more to me than those amateurs mock drafts, especially since a lot of the mock drafting is just based on what they hear from teams (who may or may not be honest with them, or talk to them at all)…
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, i see what you're saying
But Spurs have a history of drafting guys ‘no one had on the board that high’ and they pan out.
also, they traded Hill for 3 prospects (1 is in europe now). I’m curious how it goes.
They find D leaguers. I say whatever. You can find depth in a lot of places.
Finding stars and building a team around that star is what we haven’t had a GM do in 20 years.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Riley??? Are you kidding me. Not after picking Udoh over Davis or Monroe.
I’ll never understand his though process on that one.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Paul George, Danny Granger, George Hill, Dahntey Jones, and James Posey
the space on the bench for him in indiana was shrinking. only started 21 games last year. damn this was such a great pick up in our case. we need to do more trades with indiana. haha.
And just think, Charlie Bell was woulda been making twice as much as Bell just to ride pine. He’s still making twice as much to stay home but him taking up a roster spot woulda been terrible.
making twice as much as [Rush]
Dude, stop making stuff up?
Here, I have a deal for you. I give you 50 grand and you give me a million bucks. By the same calculus that Tolliver is making more than Rush, that’s a great deal for you!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
you are looking at last years salary.
DX says hes making $2,956,658 this year.
by bballinpacisler on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Bah who cares how much he makes...
The point is that Bell is making more, and has no value to us, while Rush makes less and has come in and contributed right away on both ends of the court, particularly last night.
I don’t see what Bell has to do with anything. That he doesn’t belong on an NBA roster is pretty obvious to anyone, right?
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
It’s an irrelevant move.
It didn’t really make a difference in us signing Kwame or MacGuire. We still have open roster spots.
We still have to pay him.
We should have saved amnesty. You never know when we’d need it.
by tafkasam on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see how it's an irrelevant move
If the FO was intent on not using the amnesty on Beans or Lee. And so what if there are open spots—doesn’t matter if there’s no cap space, right?
Besides, I don’t think you’d be saying it was irrelevant if they signed DeAndre. That didn’t work out, so Plan B was sign Kwame Brown. Now you have Fesenko signed for the rest of the cap. If that boils out in a significant trade (which i think it will, you can’t say it’s irrelevant. To signing Rush? Maybe. But not in the overall scheme.
Why amnesty Bell to offer a few mill more when you know the Clips would match?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
It was a waste of the amnesty clause. Just cut him.
by Missing Barry on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We could have used the stretch clause.
And moved half of his salary to next years cap if we really wanted to create cap space.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 29, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
This. A million times this.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
No, that move is still idiotic and hard to defend.
I’m super glad we have Rush over Bell, but honestly I’d rather have the amnesty option still.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Bell was on our team though, and it’s refreshing to have guys come in here and play like they’re actually motivated and can actually contribute. The fact that Bell makes more than Rush and McGuire makes me never want to see Bell’s face/name in the NBA anymore.
However, that doesn’t mean I agreed with using the amnesty on him. I would’ve preferred to save it if the chances of getting DJ were slim. But it is what it is now, and I’m glad Bell is off the team and we have these other guys that came in who have already made significant contributions in the first 3 games.
Bah who cares how much he makes… The point is that Bell is making more [snip]
In this case the point was that twisting or exaggerating the facts to make an argument — regardless of what the argument is — makes you look dishonest and/or foolish. In this instance it seems like an honest enough mistake ($2M was Rush’s last year’s salary), but when your MO on this board fairly consistently relies on oversimplification, exaggeration, and hyperbole, you should make a more concerted effort to stick to the facts.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Go to David Lee's page and tell me what DX says his salary is.
Or Dorell Wright. Or Stephen Curry.
You’ll find that those pages will all display their salaries from the previous season. DX is primarily a college and high-school scouting site. Going there for frequently updated salary numbers is a mistake.
This is a much better resource.
There you will find Brandon Rush’s current salary is $2,956,658.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 29, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I never denied that was his salary tho. To say I was being misleading when im quoting the salary stated on the link of this thread is what I was referring to.
Fair enough. I shouldn’t have said “made stuff up.” Apologies.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Using the Amnesty on charlie Bell...
is and will always be the dumbest move of the 2011 NBA offseason…doesn’t matter if Brandon Rush goes on to be an all-star and win MVP of the league..the Bell amnesty is still awful.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM PST reply actions
Yeah we could have used it on Lee or Biedrins so we could have more cap space to make a offer to a player that wont sign here. We have cap space in 2012 to sign just about anybody. Bell was useless, Biedrins could start on the heat right now if we dropped him. Bell cant start on a D-League team, and by no means am I a Biedrins fan but amnestying him for nothing is not smart. Keeping the amnesty would be useless because Lee or Biedrins wont be amnestied.
Keeping the amnesty would be useless because Lee or Biedrins wont be amnestied.
You never know what the future holds. A situation where it makes sense to use the amnesty may come up. We could have simply cut Bell, it wouldn’t have affected our cap space next year. It was just a waste. It’s one thing to hold on to the amnesty until it expires, never seeing a good time to use it. I wouldn’t necessarily call that a waste. Using it on an irrelevant move right when you get it? Yeah, that’s a waste.
by Missing Barry on Dec 30, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
because kwame is such an integral part of our team?
beans is playing well enough that he should easily be playing more minutes anyways
Wow, this team couldn't operate without Kwame.
What a horrible situation.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 30, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Ok sure, it's like if the Captain of the Titanic was all like,
“We’re the best boat in all the world, we’re never ever ever going to sink so let’s just release all our lifeboats to get to Ammurrica faster”.
Herp a derp. Golden State made a stupid decision. It’s okay to admit it as a Warrior fan.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
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