Exclusive: one of Dwight Howard's closest confidants wants to make it clear that Dwight does not want to get traded, rather Otis Smith, "hit a home run" via trade and acquire another superstar, most notably Chris Paul. Monta Ellis is another player who was mentioned. Magic have some work to do before Christmas.
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I know he doesn’t want to get traded, but if he wants to play with Monta give them Curry and Lee. Signing Afflalo wouldn’t be too hard then.
something along these lines although this is wishful thinking obviously.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qocedh
Monta
Afflalo
Wright
Bass
Dwight
then I’m sure CP3 would not be too opposed to coming here next year.
HELL NO!!
Curry would stay. As much as I love Monta, I would trade him over curry. Curry is an up and comming superstar point guard. Also we have a small backcourt anyway.
Defense wins championships!! Warriors need that badly!!!!!
you know that link is broken, right?
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
what link?
read the quote..It’s a compilation of his quotes from twitter. If you want to read it with your own eyes from his twitter search for his name, I didnt think it mattered that much.
what do you mean what link?
the link that you posted in your fanshot obviously
who the hell is he?
what’s his twitter account?
don’t you get how people might want to know that?
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
nm
found it myself
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
Based on this logic
If I am the Magic, why not trade Dwight Howard for Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan? This way Dwight goes to LA – which he wants, and the Magic get a center to help fill the void.
Of course, this would suck for us having to face Dwight and Blake four times a year.
Obviously, if we can get Dwight for Monta and others we pull the trigger. I’d be happily shocked though!
uh
what is this?
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
I wouldn’t mind having Brandon Bass or Ryan Anderson. Not saying there’s a workable trade for them or anything, but they’re both guys that could help our team.
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Monta and Lee for Anderson, Daniel Orton, Hedo (amnesty him) and their first round pick this year.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 3, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
we can't amnesty player's unless they were already on the roster before the new CBA
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
Is that set in stone? From what I’ve read, the amnesty applies to contracts that existed before the new CBA, not necessarily those that were on a particular team. I wouldn’t be surprised if this had been clarified or changed, but the roster prerequisite wasn’t detailed in the official memo.
Formerly ffgolden.
Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
Although Zach Lowe seems to think the league is not quite sure about it.
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/12/01/even-the-league-is-unsure-of-amnesty/
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
Why would the dubs make that trade?
We lose Monta, get stuck with Hedo’s contract since he could not be amnestied, and get Andreson, a decent player but whose only strength is his shooting. The first round pick would be nice, but the price is too high.
The Magic shouldn’t be calling with trade offers unless Dwight is involved.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Anderson is better than Lee.
Orton is a high potential big. We get a first round pick, and we clear about 20 million in cap space. Bad trade?
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 3, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Anderson rebounds, too, and would probably be our most physical presence down low (of course, the bar is set pretty low on our team). And his shooting is really, really good. Off the top of my head I can’t think of another legit big man that can outshoot him besides Dirk.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
More physical than Lou,Udoh, and Lee?
I don’t recall Anderson ever being very physical in the paint. No doubt his shooting stroke is better than Lee’s by far, but I have yet to see him display any passing skills or rebound as agressively as Lee does. Maybe that would change with increased playing time, but he has yet to take the starting job away from Bass so it remains to be seen if he’s as good as so many people project hi to be.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 4, 2011 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, like I said, not a high bar. Anderson bangs some, been watching him since he first stepped foot on the floor at Cal. Lou and Lee don’t bang at all, both of them are soft. I think Udoh still needs to bulk up more – not nearly as big overall as Ryan, but I wouldn’t call him soft like Lou and Lee.
As for the rebounding part, when you say aggressively, I’m interpreting that as he hustles and runs down rebounds, which I completely agree with. I’ve been doing some soul searching and thinking about this over the last year or so, though, and I’m beginning to think about rebounding as there are two different kinds of rebounds – the kind that one team is going to get most every time, and the kind that are a battle between both teams. Lee excels at chasing down rebounds, unfortunately, I think chasing down rebounds results in gaining possession of the first type of rebound most times. All he’s really doing is being the individual who gets the rebound, but not changing which team gets it. It’s the second kind that are important, and those are the ones a guy like Anderson who is willing to bang and box out does a better job securing. Might not look like he’s rebounding as aggressively, but in every year of his career so far his team has rebounded much better when he’s on the floor than when he’s off. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
I've been thinking about this, too.
I think looking at matchup rebound rates is a good way to get at that ability in players. For example, Zach Randolph (a very good rebounder) has a huge effect on how many rebounds his opponent gets while he’s on the floor compared to a guy like Marc Gasol (a decent rebounder), who gets a lot of rebounds, but doesn’t have a profound effect on what his opponent is able to do.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 4, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that should at the very least tell us who’s effective at boxing his man out. One thing to keep in mind with that is there might be a difference between guys who are always helping (like say, any big man on the Warriors) vs. a guy like Zach Randolph who tends to hold his rebounding position. Zach is definitely a force down low and does a great job holding his man off the boards…I wonder how often that comes at the expense of help D?
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Anderson is better than Lee.
Are you talking about Ryan Anderson? you rate him better than David Lee? what have you been smoking ;)))
It makes me wonder if your watching the same games i am? I think Lee has gotten a bad rap with some on GSOM…….towards the end of last year he began moving the ball from the forward position and looks like he could be one of the best passing big men in the game…I’m very happy with Lee…did we overpay? yes but that’s not his fault…
by Cryptic on Dec 3, 2011 11:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Anderson's a better defender and scorer.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 4, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
No way
Ryan Anderson fits SVG’s coaching style much better than Bass does, if his defense and rebounding were truly superior he would be starting next to Howard.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 4, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Anderson’s D isn’t as good a fit next to Howard as Bass, even though his offense is a better fit. Dwight is gonna guard the other guys big, low post guy. Anderson’s weakness defensively is his foot speed/athleticism, but next to Dwight, he’s gonna have to take the smaller, quicker big men.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah thats what I'm trying to say
Though Anderson has some offensive skills, his defense is simply not up to par. Like you said he will not be able to handle the small/quick big men, and I don’t see him being able to bang with the big/physical guys either.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 4, 2011 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I’m not gonna say his D is great, but I think it’s much less terrible than Lee’s.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd, totally agree
I think people focus more on Lee’s contract than on his play when they rate his performance. Yes he is overpayed, but we have a whole league GMs to thank for that for their ridiculous contract offers to big men in the free agent class of 2010.
This included,
Carlos Boozer: 5 years, $80M
Chris Bosh: 6 years, $110.1M
Amare Stoudemire: 5 years, $99.8 M
Brendan Haywood: 6 years, $55M
Al Harrington: 5 years, $34M
Drew Gooden: 5 years, $32 M
Johan Petro: 3 years, $10 M
Darko Milicic: 4 years, $19 M
Channing Frye: 5 years, $32 M
Hakim Warrick: 4 years, $18 M
Looking at these contracts only Stoudemire and possibly Bosh seemed to play at level for their team that made their contracts acceptable. Guys like Darko, Frye, and Haywood were nothing more than 18-25 minute role players. Warrick and Petro could barely crack the rotation on their teams. While Boozer, Gooden, and Harrington dealt with consistent injury and incredibly poor play. Compared to David Lee’s contract, I would say he got overpayed but we could have certainly done worse.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 4, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'll rec you back, that is spot on...
On that list I rate Lee in the 2/3 slot…..I had Bosh as #2 but Lee is not far behind…For some reason he is way under appreciated…
I see him being the consummate team player, a true winner…I would like him as our third best player just like Bosh is for Miami..
Lee’s a nice player offensively. He does a lot of good things, and is a pretty complete player. The problems with Lee are this: he gives everything he does well on offense back on defense. He’s not bad defensively, he’s truly awful. Second problem: his rebounding numbers are overrated. Good at chasing down loose rebounds, bad at boxing out and holding his ground on the tough rebounds in traffic. His numbers don’t suggest he has a positive effect on his teams rebounding, and when I watch, it looks to me like the numbers are right. He gets hustle rebounds, but on the defensive side at least, those are rebounds his team is going to get most of the time anyways. The last problem with Lee? His limitations make him a bad fit next to most of the NBA bigs out there. He complements Dwight Howard…and not many others. You need a really specific player next to him – a guy who’s comfortable on the low post, since Lee is not and Lee takes up the entire high post/picking setting area (a main reason I believe him and Biedrins have not been effective together), who plays excellent help D (since David Lee literally gives you nothing in that department), who is physical inside/good post defender to help your post defense and your rebounding in the key….I mean, the list of guys like that isn’t long. Tim Duncan. Dwight. Maybe Marc Gasol? Maybe Bogut? I think Nene would work. Bynum. Pau. No one else is really coming to mind. To be honest, I do think David Lee is overpaid, but I also think he isn’t particularly good. He’s not a useless player, he’s a smart player who hustles a lot who can pass, shoot and play unselfish, team basketball on offense. He just has some serious limitations that make him not all that good, either. In my eyes, I’m not sure he’s really even a starting caliber player. I think he might be more of a first big off the bench guy.
As a side note, that free agent list is pretty weak. Boozer is the third best guy on there, and I think he’s basically the rich man’s David Lee. He has many of the same limitations, except a better post game (so he’s a better fit next to other big men on offense, though he’s still most comfortable in that high post picking position Lee also likes) and he’s a more physical rebounder. He’s pretty close to David Lee-ineptness on D, though. I think Stoudemire and Bosh are both way above them as players. Amare is just a scoring freaking machine. Easily up at the very tippy top of the NBA in making the ball go into the basket, among the guys like Dirk and Durant. Can score from anywhere, anytime…just always a weapon on offense. Not excited about the defensive effort/consistency, but the physical tools alone make him much less of a weakness on that side. Bosh is just a very good all around player. Would like to see him be more aggressive about posting up, but other than that….he’s very well rounded without a real flaw in his game. His defense is underrated. Gimme Bosh all day long!
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
Amare’s defense is close to Lee’s. It’s godawful as well, but he can block shots decently well at least.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 4, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I guess we don’t agree on that, then. I think Amare is much better than Lee defensively. I’d still call him below average, but his physical tools alone are enough for him to not be among the worst in the league. And heck, I think his D is actually fairly decent when he wants it to be (though you know I don’t like giving credit to guys for what they’re capable of, rather what they actually do). He’s got Rudy Gay-like physical tools defensively. Hard to be that bad when you’re that strong, long and athletic.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
His #'s are pretty horrendous.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 4, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Are they? His defensive RAPM the last 3 seasons are: -.2, +.4, -1.2, compared to -2.1, -1.7, -.7 for Lee. He’s back to blocking almost 2 shots per 36 minutes. Not sure the defensive numbers tell a clear story about Amare.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt gov really thinks that. I think this is just an example of “stirring the pot”.
by Slightly Hyphy on Dec 4, 2011 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt gov really thinks that. I think this is just an example of "stirring the pot".
It seems from reading the forum the last few days that people resent Lee for his contract because they feel it is hindering us from getting a big free agent and have forgotten how good David Lee is…
All this talk of Lee being placed on amnesty is ludicrous, unless you were able to get a player like Howard…I am more than fine with Lee..
I thought Lee did a fine job last season considering the circumstances that he was playing under. He’s not going to be an amnesty cut, and he won’t be traded, so we’ll get to see how well he plays fully healthy. If the Warriors are not satisfied with his production this season, they can always trade/amnesty him next off season.
by Slightly Hyphy on Dec 4, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
I do think Anderson is a better player than Lee. Not by a ton mind you, but he’s much less of a liability defensively, and that’s the biggest difference between them.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
I'd take Anderson in a second over Lee
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
I think if you strictly consider their basketball skills, and not their respective contracts, Lee is the better option. Obviously he’s overpaid, but I do like what he contributes to the team, especially from a leadership standpoints. Without him, who else is going to be the leader/spokesman of this team? Monta has been hesitant to take on that leadership role. Curry is definitely more of a follower than a leader, and Mark Jackson, although a great leader, isn’t on the court playing.
by Slightly Hyphy on Dec 4, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Well, at least we know where we disagree!
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Strictly considering their basketball skills, where is Lee's clear advantage over Anderson?
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 4, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Passing is Lee’s biggest advantage on Anderson, from a skills perspective.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Certainly. But I can't think of another area that I would consider Lee superior to Anderson.
Obviously the leadership/spokesman bit is intangible, out of the range of a discussion of basketball skills.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 4, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
MB and Evanz agree with me.
I’m not stirring up the pot.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 4, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Gov stir the pot? naw....
I do think you are 100% behind this post though..You seem to be more about efficiency and D rather than simply putting up points. That’s the Gov way.
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
by Baygiant11 on Dec 4, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think Steph would work better with Dwight than would Monta
call me crazy…
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
not at all
high volume scorer with high shot total
and finally a guy to inhale all his misses
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
i get it
He doesn’t wanna move, he just wants CP3 or Monta-like player to be traded TO him… 0% chance Dwight to the bay.
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