Paul for One Year: Could We Flip for More? (Another Approach to the CP3 Frenzy)
by j-spliff415 on Dec 6, 2011 10:59 AM PST
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PrintDisclaimer: As much as I'd like to be, I'm no NBA FO rules guru (yet), so there may be some serious fallacies to this idea.
One thing I've noticed throughout the entire Chris Paul bonanza has been an extreme focus on the short term outlook: next season's playoff opportunity, roster re-shuffles, and contract issues, etc. The outstanding issue surrounding Paul is his availability - will he sign long-term? Perfectly understandable - after all, the risk associated with a trade like this is about as harrowing as it gets.
But here's where I see the Warriors now: a PG with All-Star potential, a snubbed All-Star, high volume/mistake prone scorer who currently lacks the basketball IQ to step his game up, a bunch of mis-used role players, and zero quality picks in future drafts stocked with potential and future.
For the sake of this conversation, I wanted to bring up a scenario that has yet to be really touched on yet still remains in the what-if arena of possibilities. How would everyone feel about renting Paul for one season, and then having the leverage to not only be able to trade a large expiring, but flip a super-star PG for high first round picks right before the most stacked draft since Lebron's year? Or maybe not even for picks, but for other quality players?
It might cost us Steph and Klay, but the return for the Warriors could far outweigh what Paul alone could offer us.
Any ideas/thoughts?
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okay guys sorry
the formatting is going nuts on me… i hope you get the idea though!!!
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
It's a little too risky for my taste.
If they signed him they would have to trade him by the trade deadline which is probably going to be around 3 months from now. If we don’t trade him by then he will probably just play out his contract and sign with NY. There is a chance the Warriors could sign him, but it’s still not something I would be willing to risk without an agreed extension at the time of the trade.
If they were able to find an attractive trade partner, it would have to be a team Paul would agree to sign with. I don’t know if we could trade him for a better player than Curry. They might be able to trade him to the Clippers who have 2 first rounders (T-Wolves 1st round pick) and some attractive players or to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and his busted knees. For me there is just too many pitfalls to this scenario. The only way I would trade Curry is if Paul agreed to an extension ahead of time. Maybe if he had 2 years left on his contract I’d consider it without an extension.
but what if we could flip paul for some serious picks in the upcoming draft?
he’s worth a top five pick….
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
He's easily worth a top five pick and more.
But with what team with a top 5 pick would Paul be willing to sign an extension? A team likely wouldn’t give up a top pick unless they knew for a fact they could resign Paul. If Paul won’t sign an extension with the Warriors, do you think he would sign an extension with a team bad enough to have a top 5 pick? The Clippers are the only team that might have a top 5 (Minnesota’s) pick that would any chance at signing him longterm.
Would you rather have a top 5 draft pick than Curry? Personally, I’d much rather have Curry.
I'd gladly start a rebuilding process with players from this upcoming draft
its called pulling an OKC
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
There is no guarantee you get a player like Kevin Durant with a top 5 pick
The odds are you don’t. I’d rather hold on to Curry is already proven.
How about a 3 way trade with Curry going to NO, and including the Lakers and Clips? That might work, but I still don’’t know if I’d do it. Maybe the Warriors could get Bynum, Gasol, or some of the Clips assets.
i wasnt implying durant
just more heavy draft building
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Without Durant the Thunder aren't anything special.
If you want to replicate their success then you need to acquire a player of his caliber. The Warriors have been draft building for the last 15 years and they haven’t gotten anywhere. Most of the guys they drafted aren’t even with the team anymore.
The Warriors have been draft building for the last 15 years
Baloney. We tinker through overpriced free agents and trade from weak negotiating positions every year. We’ve never had an actual rebuild since I’ve been a fan.
We spend every available cap dollar on the best guy we can lure every chance we get.
I’d be more excited for the team to scrap all of our big contracts, accumulate draft picks and young players, and admit that we’re really not close to being a contender.
The highest draft pick we’ve had since Joe Smith was… #3, Mike Dunleavy Jr. We had #4 (Carter/Jamison swap). We had #5 Jason Richardson. In 15 years we haven’t drafted higher than #3.
Portland rebuilt quickly through the draft, and that’s with a #1 overall that has barely played, and a #5 (I think) who’s been on bum knees for 2 1/2 seasons. Sacramento looks to surpass us in another season, and the Clippers look better too.
Even the teams that didn’t even exist last time we were good have built multiple playoff teams through the draft. Carter’s Raptors/Bosh’s Raptors… Pau’s Grizzlies/Marc’s Grizzlies… Charlotte? They’ve even made the playoffs in their short history, despite never having a #1 pick and having poor ownership.
Teams rebuilding trade their assets for first round draft picks and young talent. Who have we done that with? When we traded Webber, we were in “win-now” mode, getting Gugliotta who we parlayed into Donyell, and we recovered some draft picks (but we traded 3 and Penny to get Webber!)… Hardaway and Gatling went for Coles and Willis, that’s not a rebuilding move… Sprewell went for Chris Mills/John Starks/garbage, that’s not rebuilding… JRich and Mitch were both traded for late lottery picks in desperation moves to get taller, so that’s at least poorly executed attempts at building through the draft… Jamison/Fortson/Mills for Van Exel wasn’t rebuilding either.
All of those moves were “We’re close to being a playoff team” moves, where we traded our talent for OLDER, overpriced, mediocre players.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 7, 2011 8:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Trading #10 pick for Mookie Blaylock… it’s always the same.
“We’re almost good” even though the actual roster is always completely out of balance, capped out, and not bad enough for a top pick.
The mediocrity treadmill is very real, and the only way off of it is to draft and draft high. Once you have a strong core, then you start looking for free agents.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 7, 2011 8:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
One big problem-
If he leaves GS, he’ll probably demand to go to LA or NY, who have little to offer the W’s, unless you’re a big Lamar Odom fan.
Here’s the only possibility (and it’s a long shot): the W’s tell NY and LA that they need to find a way to get a top 5 pick using their assets, and then pull a 3 or 4 team deal that would send Paul to LA or NY, and land a first round pick for the Warriors from another team. Again, it’s a long shot though.
so your saying . . .
get CP3 through a trade right now and try to flip him before he enters free agency right? wellllllllll CP3 has all the leverage. we’d be in the same position NOK/ORL is in and DEN last year with carmelo. he’s not a great trade asset because no one knows if he’ll sign long term thus why would teams give up their assets (ie picks and players) knowing he wont sign. and for what wed give up for paul . . . how much could we then realistically in return then flipping him. also if we just wait he’ll just walk and we’ll be stuck with no one.
by No Dice Jim Rice on Dec 6, 2011 11:33 AM PST reply actions
things change though
the situation with NO now is not necessarily set in stone everywhere else (if you get what I’m saying)
think of the Matt Holiday trade with the A’s.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
It's way too risky.
Yes, this is a stacked draft. No, there’s no certainty that you’ll get a player as good as Curry, who happens to be really really good.
Nor do you have leverage for sign-and-trades, since teams like New York have the cap space to go directly after Paul.
I want Paul in a Warriors jersey. I’d give up Curry to do it. But only if he signs an extension.
im just curious where you stand on this
but if there was any possible way to get paul without giving up steph (highly unlikely, i know), would you take the 1 year rental?
Probably. The idea being that you're creating space to go after Howard if Paul bolts.
Hard to imagine what the package going the other way would be, though? Monta and any player not named Lee and I do it in a heartbeat. Monta and Lee is tough because even though I have major reservations abotu David Lee, we’d need some players around Paul to win enough to give us a chance of keeping him.
i was thinking if they were offered paul for something like
monta dorell and udoh? haven’t put too much thought into it, but id assume NO would want at least one of our young guys
I would ABSOLUTELY NOT do this.
hey guys,
I rarely post on here and just enjoy reading the articles more but I live in New Orleans and I honestly want to tell yall this about CP3. First off, I have great season tix and my dad has done alot of work with the organization and has been frequently interviewed on our local stations about the whole nba situation. With that said, I love the hornets and Chris Paul is a great player and a great person. But, I honestly would not do this trade, I never miss a warriors game and I care about them much more then the hornets. There are several reasons I don’t want our dubs to do this:
We have a very popular local website called “www.nola.com” (new orleans lousisiana). They talk about sports and news and this is a quote from an article on their site.
“Because Paul’s torn meniscus could not be repaired by knitting it back together and the tear was sliced away, there’s the prospect of less cushioning cartilage between the bones, making it possible for some bone-on-bone wear and tear in the knee.
Portland’s Brandon Roy recently underwent surgery on both knees because of that issue. Microfracture surgery is sometimes an option for athletes who’ve had cartilage removal." -http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/01/hornets_ailing_chris_paul_cont.html
The hornets wanted to get him back two or three weeks sooner so they opted for him to do this instead of getting it fully surgically knitted back up. I know it says it could not be knitted back up but if you look around you’ll find that it was actually a choice that was made. I’m not saying he doesn’t produce, because he does, but I honestly think he’s overrated. He’s one of the top point guards in the league but sometimes I’m really not impressed. Last playoff game we played was at home in the hive and he scored his first two points in the fourth quarter I believe. I honestly would feel more comfortable keeping steph and monta and surrounding them with a fresh rookie or two from the draft. That’s just my opinion.
by letrusloose on Dec 6, 2011 12:39 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
nice post (rec’d)
yeah, those knees
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 6, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
this has been a concern of mine for a while
which is why I’m not as keen on this as some other people here
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 6, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
plus you'd have to change your handle
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MayorChrisPaul. Not governor because he isnt a big fan cp3.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
I'm a huge CP3 fan.
I just don’t want to have him come and leave us with nothing.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 6, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly this
we’d have a pretty good starting 5, but no bench, and we’d be capped out
bring back Chris Hunter and the other D-league all-stars!
…in the end, it’s a playoff team, Paul wants NYC, and he wants some rings, probably in that order. Dubs can’t really offer either
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
i'm saying rent paul for one season
not keep him
but rec’d post regardless, you’re absolutely right
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Good post
That’s definitely some food for thought. His injury history is the one thing many Warriors fans have concerns about. That would be a huge setback if they made the trade and he ended up like Brandon Roy.
was on hoopshype.com a minute ago
and there were some twitter feeds about the dubs and clips being in the final running for pauls services. i cant click the links (im at work) but check em out for me someone…
>:(
I closed the windows already
but sounds like we are offering Curry, Klay, Udoh, plus fillers, and would just get CP3 in return
Clips have a pretty similar package, but sounds like it’s going to cost them Jordan and/or Gordon
neither Clips nor Warriors are interested in acquiring Paul without an extension in place.
situation is supposed to be resolved by Friday
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 7, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Flip him to the Celtics
Reportedly, the Celtics want Paul anyway and are willing to risk not having an extension. So, what about:
Curry + Klay + Biedrins to NOH
CP3 to GSW
then, flip CP3 to BOS for Rondo + Jeff Green (Sign and Trade) + 1st Round Pick
bostons first rounder wont make for much next season....
and what does jeff green do for us? he’s an unproven tweener. and why would they trade garnetts replacement?
And rondo would work nice with Monta, I won’t lie, but I’d much prefer paul
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Their 1st rounder is more than what we have currently: nothing. Jeff Green gives us the backup 3 we need. I don’t think Green is going to be Garnett’s replacement.
I’d prefer Paul over Rondo as well, but Rondo + depth + pick is a better overall situation for this club, especially if you factor in Paul’s unwillingness to sign an extension with us.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 7, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Considering that they seem to be fine with big baby, o'neal, and perkins leaving
as well as having no indication of re-signing garnett, than right now green is the successor
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
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