Golden State of Mind NBA Rumor Central
by Evanz on Dec 9, 2011 5:38 AM PST
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PrintNate had a great idea to have one ongoing post for keeping track of all these rumors. So, keep checking back here throughout the days ahead (we'll try to figure out how to "sticky" this) for rumors, actual things that happen (omg!), and tons of great discussion. I'll try to post as often as possible, but remember, I do actually have a day job! So you guys should feel free to use the comments to post whatever you're hearing.
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Commissioner,
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G.
Dan Gilbert on trade (via Yahoo! Sports)
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ESPN CP3 trade latest: Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources
via @ESPNSTeinLine
Free agent forward Mike Dunleavy will sign a two year, $7.5 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Y! Sports.
The bidding to sign Clips' DeAndre Jordan to an offer sheet Friday likely to include G-State, Houston, New Orleans and Denver, sources say.
via @WojYahooNBA
Multiple league executives say the Knicks are now in the lead to land Tyson Chandler, jumping in front of the Warriors.
If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.
If Knicks amnesty Billups and move Turiaf, they could offer Chandler a four-year deal starting at about $14M.
With NBA free agents allowed to officially sign contracts on Friday, Chandler has a deal from the Warriors in front of him worth more than $60 million over four years, according to two league sources.
via Steinmetz Biedrins would be amnestied (obviously).
Hornets guard Chris Paul will not commit to signing a contract extension after this season with the Golden State Warriors or Los Angeles Clippers if he is traded to either team, citing the potential financial hit if he were to do that rather than becoming a free agent and signing a new deal with a new team next summer, according to league sources. That has left potential deals with both teams in limbo.
report from David Aldridge Ok, can we move on now?
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Dalembert
to the Rockets
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ok...Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol PLZ
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YESS
timkawakami Tim Kawakami
Defense first. But he’ll be tough to get. RT @sam_amick: Source says Golden State expected to make hard run at RFA DeAndre Jordan
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Evan, good luck keeping up with Twitter. This is insane.
“Source close to Tyson Chandler talks just told ESPN.com: “It’s 98 percent sure that Tyson is going to wind up with the Knicks.” -@ESPNSteinLine
“Source says Golden State expected to make hard run at RFA DeAndre Jordan if/when New York wins out on Chandler” -@sam_amick
Formerly ffgolden.
I don't think it's humanly possible to keep up with all this nonsense
I think people are doing the right thing by just posting links in the comments until big stuff goes down (tomorrow?)
Twitter: @NateP_SBN.
yeah, you said it!
madness
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I'm a Twitter believer now...
Definitely the best way to get up to the minute updates on stuff like this. Totally overwhelming though. haha.
haaha, agreed
assuming by “updates” you mean impossible to differentiate between fact and fiction
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah..
It’s a big crazy whirlwind. It’s funny because you get all the not quite newsworthy tidbits from the NBA writers with access, so half of the stuff is from sketchy or unconfirmed sources. It sure is fun though.
twitter = new crack
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14 mill for jordan and make clipps match?
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions
warriors getting dubbed out. kinda depressing actually.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
we have to go for deandre jordan hard now.
i always wanted a player like deandre jordan, but i wanted a good player now in chandler. but i guess we can always build on jordan and see from there.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
no no no!
Jordan is decent, but not really all that good (yet, anyways).
Not the kinda guy we should be going for hard
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Foster
because really, when did we all of the sudden turn into a “win now” team?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Picks Top-7 protected.
We’d need to lose to keep it
Wanna feel real torture? Try being a Warrior fan.
thanks dubz
yeah, we need to LOSE if we want to keep our pick
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Size by itself doesn't matter
He’s proven that he can play Center in the NBA and can be had for 1/3 the cost of Chandler and likely less than half of Jordan. Chandler is not three times better, nor is Jordan twice as good as Hayes. VALUE.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
C'mon!
We at least have better clubs than Sacramento!!
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, I think Chandler is three times better.
Well, in any event, as I said in my recent fanpost it’s not a linear thing.
Chandler is a group two guy (one step below elite). Hayes is a, what, group four (spot starter/quality backup?)? You’re not winning the center battle most nights with Chuck Hayes as your starter.
yeah
we are essentially looking at backups at this point anyways right?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Last year:
OWS/DWS/WS/WS48
Hayes:
3.9 2.4 6.3 0.146
Chandler:
5.8 3.5 9.4 0.218
Not even twice as good. Now, how about we look at RAPM:
Hayes: 2.2
Chandler: 1.0
That stat says Chandler’s not even half as effective as Hayes.
Thoughts?
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well, again, pay isn't linear.
Being half as good doesn’t usually get you half as much money.
Last year was also a career year for Hayes, although I admit to be surprised by his RAPM numbers.
It’s not anomalous. More on Hayes’s RAPM:
2009 – 1.2
2008 – 2.8
2007 – 2.3
Chandlers, by comparison:
2009 – 2.7
2008 – 3.4
2007 – 0.9
Pretty up and down.
Say what you will, but Hayes is a fantastic defender and I’d rather have him any day at $5M per year than Chandler at 3 times that amount.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
You wanna be really blown away?
Jeff Foster’s RAPM:
2010: 2.4
2009: 2.3
Hayes + Foster and still save ourselves ~$5M/year over Chandler.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
the momentum is building on the Jeff Foster bandwagon I see!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I've been driving this wagon all week.
Are you with me?
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah
I’ve been in pretty much from the get-go
…my expectations have been hammered pretty low through years and years of watching Dubs stumble through NBA transactions
honestly , at this point, I’d be stoked for Turiaf or the vanilla gorilla
My biggest concern at this point is that we end up making a move just so that the FO can save face. I’d rather just avoid taking on any super stupid contracts, lick our wounds, and head into the season
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
You're a sound thinker.
I’m with you all the way. I’ll be the copilot, then.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
we have to go for deandre jordan hard now.
we have to go for deandre jordan hard kill ourselves now.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ws offer not the one reported?
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Sources say Golden State’s offer for Chandler was not as robust as the 5-year, $60M that’s been reported.
interesting
Warriors smart
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I'm pretty cool with this.
Chandler is good, but not 14/15 mil good.
yeah, if he costs 14 or 15 mil per year
I’m cool without Chandler
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
This could get ugly.
I’d rather have Chandler at 14M if the second option is Jordan ~10M, because Jordan is really bad at basketball and stuff.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM PST reply actions
i think jordan might fit better than chandler. Hes a beast
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
over 4 years
Jordan can get better chandler is what he is. Jordan is not as polished and would do some crazy things but he is a big presence in the middle. I think he could get 10 and 10 without even getting the ball in the post.
I wouldnt be opposed to dalembart either. He did really good the second half for the Kings and might be cheaper
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Sure. But even if Jordan gets better, where Chandler is right now is far above that mark.
Chandler is essentially Jordan’s best case scenario, except that Jordan will probably always be a sub 55% FT shooter (and thus a lot less valuable).
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
ya his free throws are an issue.
but make a high offer that the clipps will match means less money for the clips to spend elswhere.
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
And also the Warriors.
The Clippers offered 4/$40M right? GSW would have to go above that by an amount high enough that the Clippers wouldn’t match. It’s already an overpay at $10M a year, and getting into the ~$12M a year range is a bit crazy for this team, I think.
It’s not like the Warriors are one piece away from contending and it’s worth overpaying for Jordan right now to make a run. This team needs a lot of help.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Gasol sounds like it isn't going to happen. Memphis will match any offer, they've said.
Nene is the best big available, but I’m not sure he’s a good fit for the Warriors either.
Honestly, I’d rather sign Thaddeus Young. He’s likely to be pretty cheap and he’s already a very good PF.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
if i am deron williams
i will seriously be thinking about playing for the west. if cp3 lands in ny with chandler, then nets have almost zero chance doing superb in the playoffs.
i say deron should come to the warriors and hopefully we get howard too. should do a sign and trade using curry for howard this coming season and we can get deron in the offseason. now that will be a lineup.
deron/monta/dorell/lee/howard
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Signing with the Kings, reportedly.
For $20M.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
let's beat that offer by a couple million bucks
just for giggles
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ink hasn’t hit paper yet. He’s a bargain at $5M a year!
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
So, can we please just change the name on that contract from “Tyson Chandler” to “Nene” and see where that gets us? Before we start backing up the dump truck full of money to D.Jordan’s house?
Formerly ffgolden.
No way...
Last thing we need is another undersized BIG (Nene). I’d rather give the cash to Jordan, a legit BIG.
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Nene doesn’t even want to play the center position
by Togna Balogna on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
what?
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fewfffff
there have been crazier things said on this board where people were serious
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what happened to the Nene rumors?
last I heard was Indiana
“But one source has told me it might be a sign-and-trade with the Mavericks. Tyson would get a four-year deal” -@Al_Iannazonne
I don’t think that would change anything: they’d have to trade Billups in that deal. They could use amnesty on Balkman and save $1.6M next year, but still no chance to sign CP3 w/o moving Amar’e or Carmelo.
Formerly ffgolden.
tbh. i will be content if we dont get any big name FA this season.
i want to see this core group grow for one more year and wait until 2012. who knows we might suck so bad we get our draft pick. or we play so well we can have a go at the true 2012 FAs.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
we need a center...
this season we have the best shot at getting a center…
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that sounds good to me
If we keep Andris Biedrins and he ends up being just as terrible as he was before, we amnesty him at the end of this season. Worst case scenario, we suck and we get a top 7 lottery pick and not have to give it up to the Nets. I like Andre Drummond.
and with a good FA class
we could end up signing a big name player and having a great draft pick.
i'm over being a mediocre team
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we don't have much of a choice
if we can’t get Chandler. DJ is a bit overrated imo, and we would have to overpay to get him.
yup. DJ is overrated because he played with a player who commanded double teams.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
well lets say we are going to do pretty good.
we can have a crack at both deron and howard.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Could always get Chris Hunter for cheap at Center
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
what kind of money would dalembart want?
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions
I don't think he'll ask for too much
at most I would say something around the MLE, but my bet is he goes to Miami
he came on strong last year at end for sacramento.
not a great rebounder but one of the best shot blockers
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like
Dalembert to the Rockets
no big whoop
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I always used to put Dalembert on my 2K Warriors teams...
…in 2001 :(
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
here's a question for the gamers:
Who is your center in your current 2k squad?
personally, I have Hibbert starting (because he is so cheap)
with Cousins coming in off the bench
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
I rented it from a redbox for two weeks, made a CP3/Chandler team, watched as we got neither guy, returned it, paid $30.
Fail.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 9, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
I too made the CP3 + Chandler team on 2k.
by olympicmike on Dec 10, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
I'm in a glass case of emotion!
Please mommy – stop this crazy ride. Let it end, even if we are back to where we started -just let it all end.
Wait. Can I say something?
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…The bad man took CP3!…UHHHHH-AAAAAAAAAHHHH…(unintelligible)…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha! I'm in a glass case of emotion
All Lakers fans
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
How about Fesenko? He's a free agent...
please no Kwame…
Add these please
Knicks May Begin Exploring Amar’e Trade Scenarios For Paul
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217148/Rockets_Working_On_Three_Way_Deal_That_Would_Send_Paul_To_Lakers
Anyway we can get involved, by that 3rd team. Pau/Amare for Monta + Klay + filler?
Trade for Amare
MLE Afflalo?
Curry, Afflalo, Dorell, Lee, Amare
Well umm…. we’d atleast have a pretty sweet pick and roll/kick out game!
true
But eitherway
I think we can find a good SG for the MLE. Match Reggie for the bench.
Part of what's weird is that Paul + Carmelo don't make half as much sense as a pair as Paul + Amare.
Paul + Amare + Chandler is a really really scary core.
But Carmelo needs the ball in his hands most of the time. Just a weird fit.
But CP3 is BFF's with Melo and Chandler.
And isn’t that what the NBA is all about these days. Playing B-Ball with your besties seems to be the goal of every NBA star..
Maybe they deal Carmelo for Paul?
In an upset!
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
could be
i would think though with all the fuss melo put up to get to NY, he’d have something that said the knicks couldn’t trade him
I disagree
Melo’s a better player than Amare. Better defender, better rebounder.
CP3 can get Melo’s efficiency up. He was already very efficient in a small sample size with NYK (system).
But the bigger elephants in the room are
1) age
2) Amare’s knees
I actually think Melo would thrive off ball. He did pretty well with Paul in olympics, so i imagine that’d be the building block.
oh forgot biggest reason they can't trade Melo
After Melo storm in Denver.
No one will want him.
He'll get what he asked for
when he gets sent to New Orleans.
Seriously though, do you think the Hornets would be willing to give up CP3 and Ariza for Melo? If so, that would be a great move for NY.
by JoesBurlyCurls on Dec 8, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
“Rockets, sources say, were hot after Nene. Rival execs believe he is headed back to Denver at a max or close to max deal.” -@ChrisMannixSI
!
Formerly ffgolden.
“Nene is still wide open, with Denver, Indiana, Houston, Golden State and New Jersey in hot pursuit, league sources say.” -@WojYahooNBA
How the EFF am I supposed to get any work done today?
Formerly ffgolden.
ha ha... I know!
This free agent period is ruining my life!
by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
@WojYahooNBA
Nene is still wide open, with Denver, Indiana, Houston, Golden State and New Jersey in hot pursuit, league sources say.
@DoctorKajita
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Quick question
Since we don’t have the cap room, do we have to amnesty a player before we can start offering contracts to free agents? Or can we offer first, let it go through, and then amnesty?
by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
We have ~$7M in cap space I think; we’d need to use amnesty on AB before signing anybody to that ~$15M contract (or Bell if it’s closer to ~$11M).
Formerly ffgolden.
If Chandler is out of the mix, doubt we cut Beans
Its probably gonna be Bell if we can sign Jordan to a reasonable deal
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
we can still hold off the amnesty until next season, right?
If we don’t get any free agents this offseason, I see no point in using it on either Beans or Bell
Yea definetly
See if Tyler can grow into something and try to resurrect Andris. The amnesty may come in handy down the road
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
The amnesty may come in handy down the road = more bad management/contracts to come. Great.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
The Knicks are losing the cap space to sign Chandler instead of Paul next summer?
Am I missing something or is NY stupid?
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM PST reply actions
Rumor has it
I hear David Stern is going to allow the Knicks to expand their roster to 30 to allow everyone who wants to a chance to play for them.
"And the Warriors won, so I guess your household is pretty happy"--Donald Sutherland, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 1978
by BlueInTheFace on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What should have been in the new CBA:
a dollar for dollar tax on all payroll, even under the cap, but only for NY and LA. Seriously. It’s the only way to even begin to have a faint glimmer of parity.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
“The bidding to sign Clips’ DeAndre Jordan to an offer sheet Friday likely to include G-State, Houston, New Orleans and Denver, sources say.” -@WojYahooNBA
Great, so we’re bidding against more teams that will potentially raise the price tag even higher. Walk away, Lacob! Walk away!
Formerly ffgolden.
No need to walk away immediately
See what the price range is, if it gets in 12-14 mil area than walk away
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
remember
doing nothing is ALWAYS an option…and sometimes, it is your best option
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Q: What happens after you go from bad to worse?
A: You hope you can get Deandre Jordan for under $14million/year.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
at $10 million, I’m pretty happy
at $14, bummed
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Would not be surprised if Chandler used GSW negotiations as leverage with NYC
Their were rumors going back to last year that Knicks wanted him, and its obvious he’s just looking for a huge contract. TC might never have been serious about GSW at all
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM PST reply actions
He just wanted to go to the 49ers game
@DoctorKajita
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Let's just sit back and watch how big markets and superstars still dominate the NBA
Some change we were promised…
LGW, still.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ask owners...
they think the system is pretty much the same.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
well..it IS the same system
never forget: the owners took cash instead of system reform.
I’m actually not at all certain that all the system reform talk was not just a smoke screen to hide the money grab
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yea
only difference I’ve seen is the amnesty
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, to save Stern's favorite team from Billups
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Sucks but it caters to the average fan
Teams that are stacked with stars draw in fans and $$$. Sucks for the smaller market teams and the more loyal fans but this the reality of the NBA
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I agree with you.
I feel like the NFL has the perfect model and I don’t know the numbers but I imagine they do far better than the NBA. I love basketball but I really struggle to like the NBA, I really only like the Warriors lol
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
The thing is, the Warriors are not a small market team. The situation is actually more restrictive than that. If you aren’t NY, LA, and formerly Boston, you are at a permanent disadvantage. It is mind numbingly one-dimensional and boring.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
It is mind numbingly one-dimensional
that one dimension?
nightclubs
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
I just can't wrap my head around that.
If you are even a mid-level type NBA player you should have enough money to do whatever drugs and/or women you want, even if you live in Utah. Here’s a tip: buy some black lights and a stripper pole, fly some pros out, and have them bring whatever substances or whatever you need with them. It’s still probably cheaper than VIP service.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 9, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
great
the Knicks are getting Chandler, the Lakers are getting CP3, Nene is going back to the Nuggets…. why even try anymore, at this point ANY contract we offer is going to be too expensive
by jpees on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Pau Gasol would go to Houston
if that Houston-New Orleans-Los Angeles deal goes down
sucks
Do we really have any shot at a top free agent without showing progress on the court? Cannot get a Cali kid to stay home and sign for the same money. Anybody we get is going to have to come via trade or they have to over pay for a role player.
For anyone who was wondering… Oden’s reupping with the Blazers. One-year deal.
What about Przybilla? I’d probably rather have him at $3-4M than DJ at $10M.
Or just tanking…
There will be no extra point!
Agreed.
We do not need to overpay for DJ. There should be plenty of similar talent (w/ less upside, granted) available for half his price. Playing without Griffin drawing double teams, and with that low basketball IQ, he’ll never live up to this contract he’s going to command.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Wrong. Watch what Javale Mcgee gets when he becomes a free agent. C’s are finally being paid what they deserve.
Regardless of what Centers are getting paid
We don’t want to overpay for DJ.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Were gonna have to overpay for a C regardless. This is why all that trade Curry for CP3 crap made no sense. Every morsel of energy in the organization should be focused on how to get a Center here.
you're arguing that you have to overpay someone to win
overpaying is generally a bad idea. i dont see how that helps you win
But here’s the thing: you can also overpay and LOSE. And then you lose even harder, and longer.
Formerly ffgolden.
We have to overpay to win. Not every team. Teams like us and the Cavs will always have to.
I disagree. Unlike Cleveland, the bay area is a very nice place to live full of abundant wealth and plenty of exposure for branding oneself, etc. Don’t forget, LA is an hour flight away if a player wants to do TV spots and the like. I would say we have to overpay for the foreseeable future, but it should be possible to be a desirable destination.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think a state of the art facility next to the Giants would make any difference on free agents?
Personally I’m sick of teams abandoning their original locales, e.g. As to San Jose and 49ers to San Mateo. A forward thinking pro sports franchise should find a way to get a facility done or revamped in its hometown, revitalizing the community and garnering tons of free, positive media coverage.
As far as attracting players, the Warriors need to win games. They can’t do that with the current roster, so it’s simply a matter of when to pull the trigger on some deals.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Welll
the Warriors were originally in Philly, and then originally in San Francisco….
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by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough. Replace the word “original” with “current”. Oakland needs this team so much more than SF. It is morally bankrupt to abandon the city that it has called home for so many years, good and (mostly) bad.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
rec'd
That’s spot on, the recipe for a title is always a dominant big, there are few exceptions to the rule, If you go back and look at the record it has always been the big men that take their teams to the promise land..
Oddly one of the only tiles in NBA history this rule didn’t apply was the 1974-75 Warriors….we had Rick Berry and a cast of 1st and 2nd year players with a few vets without a dominant big man and won it all…also you have to recognize how the Bull’s did it with Cartwright, Grant, Rodman etc, and maybe you could add the Detroit Pistons , but they did have Ben and Sheed.
But looking back the winners have always had the dominant big, Lakers with Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Gaso, Hakeem won two, Robinson/Duncon, Garnett, Bill Russel won 11, Bird Mchale and Parish…Moses Malone/Dawkins, Walton…Dirk..
The recipe for Championships by and large is a dominant big, and in the last 20 years there has not been a superstar PG, it was either a great 2guard and the superstar big unless your Jordan/Pippen/Rodmen/ etc…
So your exactly right when you say our focus should be for size and dominance at the PF/C position if we have any chance at all of a title…
I was trying to bring this out on another thread and the linguists descended upon me :)) I think Jerry West knows this is the formula, after all he brought in Kareem and Shaq for LA and with those two cornerstones they won most of their Championships..
Realistically, how many more wins does DJ bring us playing 20 minutes a game due to foul trouble? His foul rate was crazy enough as is (4.5 in per 36!!) without having to cover for Monta, Curry, and Lee.
Yes, we need a Center, DJ’s just not the answer.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Good Point
We know we can’t win without the big man…the problem is it has to be the right big, he has to be a dominator ….unless it’s a secondary big, a part of a twin towers…
But if you over spend for a non-dominator then you could wind up like the Warriors with Bean bag….
…the problem is it has to be the right big…
No. At this point, it has to be anyone better than Beans, i.e. everyone.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Still in shock
After hearing Riley yesterday on KNBR thought we had this sewed up. I wonder if Riley will get boot for not being able to close the deal when this season is done.
Also, have we heard for sure that Tyson going to Knicks – could this just be a way to drive up our asking price?
I kinda like that plan. He and Udoh would be the worst-rebounding pair of bigs in the NBA, but they’d be a nightmarish pair of shotblockers. Plus there’s the hope that Ronny’s great energy might reanimate the corpse of Biedrins…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
-1
I love Turiaf’s spirit, it’s just that he’s not very good at basketball.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
He’s a solid passer and one of the best shot blockers in the league. Good back up.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Sounds like a redundant skillset to Udoh's.
He’s also a better backup 4 than he is a 5.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Jordan is an incredible talent...
And if Beans is worth 10 per year he is certainly worth 11-12. He’s more athletic, bigger and a better finisher. With Jackson riding him all season he can become a top 10 center easy in this league without them running any offense for him. Plus he’s young. I’d be happy to see Beans get amnestied and essentially flipped into Jordan. We could even keep the Curry/Ellis backcourt with him on the front line with Lee and wright.
Thin is, Beans is NOT worth 10 mill
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Thing*
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by 4Ever Golden on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Centers always get paid...
I mean Portland is giving a handicapped center $9 mil. So how is an able bodied athletic big man not worth 11. Its a function of supply and demand. Everyone needs a big man. We are not getting Howard, Nene, Chandler, Gasol, Bynum, Oden. So whose left?
As far as Beans goes he aint worth the shoes he plays in…
he can rebound
and no one else on the team does
My mind is blown that Oden is getting paid. Best case scenario, he can average 20-25 minutes for 50-60 games/season for 2 or 3 years before his legs/feet are ground to dust.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
On Bill Simmon's podcast with Steve Kerr earlier this week -
Kerr said that he would sign Oden for 3yrs/$30m in “a heartbeat” if he were still the GM of the Suns.
He then backed off of that and said he’d need to talk to his medical staff and get their opinion. But even still, I was surprised.
I listened to that!
I think Portland used chicken bones to divine Oden’s health rather than MRIs…
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Thank You
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jordan is worth it in this market. Is Pujols worth 250 mill? The market dictates the worth. I say trade Monta for Hibbert and lets start training camp.
Wow Hibbert huh? If they included something else in that transaction I would consider it. But then again I am a former Hoya…
they have solid wings already
the last thing they need is an overpaid wing
they do not
what they need is to improve their “best player”, just like most other small markets. monta does not solve that.
I'd take Hibbert for Monta in a heartbeat
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly they overvalue Monta, but you also overvalue Hibbert. The dude was eating his way out of the league a few years ago.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
lmao
Rockets, sources say, were hot after Nene. Rival execs believe he is headed back to Denver at a max or close to max deal.
A guy from twitter summarizing my thoughts
Lakers – team that actually has something to lose – willing to risk core to get CP3. But Stephen Curry is off-limits. #somethingspecial
The Golden State Warriors: too mediocre to risk being great.
RIP Al Davis
eh
if cp3 is traded to the lakers, he probably re-signs there. can’t say the same about the warriors. the risk is different
Aren't you a warrior fan?
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
srsly
ban the troll!!!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
ban the troll...
for wanting Kobe Bryant to get his 6th ring…
wonder if I said I wanted Shaq to get another I’d be a troll..nah…prolly not
or if i wanted Jordan to have stayed with the Bulls and got a 7th…nah…prolly not
so just Kobe, eh? gotcha
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sorry, I'm calmer now
the guy was just spouting Lakers propaganda in here and it sucked
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Furthermore ...
Bynum isn’t giving up the team’s “core.”
If they still have two of Odom-Gasol-Bynum they’re still better than most teams in the middle.
Wahhh Wahhh Wahh
If the Lakers get Chris Paul I’m finished with the NBA.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like I’ve been battered. Went to sleep thinking we’ll get Chandler, went to lunch with the possibility that Biedrins is starting on Christmas. We gotta get somebody.
on the same page.
I also am feeling like our front office of “superstars” did not play this right. Tyson basically used us to get more money to go to Knicks – we look like chumps.
At this point I just hope we don’t pay too much to get someone who gives us only slightly more than Beidrins does.
by Togna Balogna on Dec 8, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
How are we chumps here?
He seems likely to pick somebody else. I don’t see how we got used any more than anybody else. Chandler was clear about what his asking price was going to be.
Apparently he gave Warriors every indication he wanted to be here
Then he used us to drive up his asking price in NY.
We were “used” more than others because we could have used that time and energy to get someone who actually wants to play here.
Look – the point is that this new ownership and new front office people promised big changes right away and it looks to me like they got played.
by Togna Balogna on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno.
You sound like a jilted lover.
We have no idea what he was expecting from NY. NY was not really on anybody’s radar early – so to assume that this was all some sort of master plan seems silly.
It also seems silly to assume that he needed our interest to drive his price up. New York hasn’t exactly been stingy with money lately ( see the Carmelo and Amare extensions).
“Got played” assumes some harm was done. We had conversations with a free agent that didn’t pan out. It happens. Get a thicker skin.
by Ronaldinho on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A thinker skin? Jilted lover?
I don’t think you know me well enough to make a statement like this.
I am disappointed the Warriors front office could not seal the deal. I am bummed that the team I have loved for 25 years still sucks and that when a chance to get better seemed available it didn’t happen. I am frustrated that new ownership and front office pieces is not yet enough.
In other words, I am just like most the fans on this site.
by Togna Balogna on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT?
You realize that not overpaying Chandler is the smart move, right? Seriously. I’m sick and tired of W’s fans being impatient. SORRY DUDE. THEY DIDNT GET THE MEDIOCRE CENTER FOR SUPERSTAR MONEY. hands tissue I personally applaud the front office. This is the kind of stupid move they would have made in the Cohan era. 16 per for TYSON CHANDLER? He sucks. And he’s only good when he has a good point guard. Yeah, we’ve got Curry. But frankly, I’d rather go after Nene, or even DJ. There’s no need to rush anything. Recognize that in order to draw free agents, you have to change the culture of the franchise. You can’t do that splurging on players who won’t pay dividends.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
There is no such thing as an impatient Warriors fan. If anyone is still a Warriors fan after all these years, they have the patience of a Buddha. We have every right to lash out in anger and demand moves that may harm the team. It’s the FOs responsibility to mitigate our collective rage while attempting to improve the team on whatever schedule they see fit. Regardless, crazy, irrational rage is part of the deal.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
No. You don’t. Stop it. Because you’re calling for a bad team to make bad personnel decisions. It’s like, yeah. Be irritated that we’ve sucked for the last 20 years. That’s FAIR. But begging to overpay bad players is NOT going to turn shit around. I’m tired of it. Tyson Chandler is NOT a very good basketball player. He should NOT be getting paid anymore than Beans does. Under ANY circumstances.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
As much as he may have tried to "use" us to drive up his price
He was pretty clear about the price he wanted. In addition, I’m sure that he gave that price to GS and GS backed off because they realized it was overpaying. I think its a smart move rather than pay $15+ million for an old center and be locked in bad contracts for even longer. I think NY is stupid to pay that much because now they have to find a way to get rid of one of their players to get Howard, and the terrible contract that they offered amare isn’t going to convince Orlando to take it.
Hey I heard he put on some significant weight!
Does that cheer you up? lol.
by JoesBurlyCurls on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
source!
lol i keep hearing bied put on muscle.. i wanna see! O.O
by bballinpacisler on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, where the hell did this start
it’s like the 5th time I’ve seen it mentioned
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I ran into him the other day. He was all “I must break you.” then he lit up a Newport…
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
"We gotta get somebody."
I’m just hoping our front office doesn’t get caught in this same panic mode and does something stupid.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly think were gonna overpay for Tyson Chandler, if they want him that bad
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Our current offer is more than what NY is offering, if he chooses NY over us it wont be because of money.
If they do a sign and trade with NY they can offer him a 5th year
I read somewhere that there was a Chandler for Chauncey deal in the works. The Warrior can’t compete with that.
Why's he so pissed
Now he can go back to his beloved Nuggets
by JoesBurlyCurls on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Right. They have Lawson, and traded Felton for Miller. It would be bad going into the season with Billups/Lawson/Miller.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think a trade makes more sense, especially from Chandler’s standpoint. It would be a good deal for Dallas as well.
You never know
Cuban doesn’t mind spending the money for a 1 yr rental. He is unorthodox and likes to stockpile players. Also, Billups is 3 yrs younger than Kidd.
I told you not to jinx it.
I don’t want to blame this on you, but it is pretty much all your fault.
by Pippen on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
3 way deal between Rockets, Lakers, and Hornets
Lakers get Paul
Houston get Gasol
Anyone know who is being offered to Hornets?
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The Lakers are screwed at PF if they lose Pau Gasol
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time to swoop in and trade them david lee!
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It's worth a shot
We might be able to catch them sleeping
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Huh? They still have Odom, who’s played a ton of PF the last few years because of the Bynum injuries. Where they’ll be screwed is at Center, when Bynum misses 30 games.
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Lamar at 4 was the reason why they lost to the Celtics in the 08 finals
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pretty sure they lost to the celtics in the 08 finals because rondo dominated fisher
and boston had the better team
KG owned Lamar
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KG owned pretty much everyone back then
that’s not a knock on odom.
Anyone else think Chandler is just trying to up our offer and we flat out rejected getting into a bidding war?
Wojo said our offer wasnt 4/60
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could have been 4/60 with bonuses
Make playoffs, get $x million
Nope, Chandler will get a better chance at getting another ring in NY. Not to mention the endorsements.
I understand the endoresements
But he would NOT have a better shot there…they have no PG…
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They’ll get a pg. I can promise you that. Bibby will go there for less cash like he did Mia. They can get a amnestied guy like Baron. Somebody will take less to get on that roster. Trust.
lol @ how part of lockout negotiations were focused on preventing the formation of super teams ...what's going on now? haha
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Everybody making moves but us. Oh well. The 2 guys I wanted the most are gone. Now focus on DJ and Nene. If we cant get them trade Monta for the best Center we can get.
Agreed...
Lacob paid $450 mil for a franchise that has been to the playoffs once in 20 years. What’s a few extra million a year to a center that keeps us competitive and relevant?
I think Jerry West is finding out it is harder to look like a genius when you work for the W's
by Pippen on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
At this point, I say forget the big men out there
We might be better of hoping Beidrins plays like half the players that Beidrins of old was, and that Udoh has a great sophomore year, and that our rookie, Jeremy Tyler turns out to be good. Based on the very little I have seen from Tyler, how is he much different than DeAndre?
If the top name centers are off the market then I think getting a top flight defensive wingman is the move to make.
He's not a big 7' defensive force
He’s closer to a stronger Randolph then a Jordan type guy
RIP Al Davis
Heck, we have no idea if he’s even an NBA-level player. He might be closer to POB or Jermareo Davidson, or Chris Hunter.
I’m starting to miss Anthony Randolph…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I actually do miss Randolph
We would have been better of if we never made that trade and hoped for the best with Randolph.
They aren't that much different
Jordan is 6’11" and 265
Tyler is listed at 6’10 and 260
both can jump high and get up and down the court
both have a lot to learn about the game of basketball
by Togna Balogna on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
My pet dolphin is 6-11 250, can jump high, and has a lot to learn about the game of basketball.
Dwight Howard is 6-11 250, can jump high, and has a lot to learn about the game of basketball.
See what I did there?
There will be no extra point!
Everyone knows pet dolphins never have a legit post game.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
That’s speciesism, and I won’t tolerate it. My uncle was a pet dolphin, and he had a wicked hook shot.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Proven himself capable of putting up 11 points / 11 rebounds / 2.5 blocks per 36 minutes — on better than .600 ts — in the NBA. As a 20-22 year-old. That’s miles ahead of anything Tyler has proven.
Plus, as others have noted, he’s longer and taller than Tyler.
There will be no extra point!
No argument that he’s more proven than Tyler. I just don’t think he’s proven enough to warrant the contract we’d have to give him to come here.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know..how about starting with his 11ppg and 11 Rodman's
His athleticism, his LEGIT size for the 5, and his 2.5 blocks a game. In case anyone’s wondering, guys with those attributes don’t come around often. Let’s pull the trigger on this deal already. No to Nene please.
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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
those are Per 36 numbers
Too bad he can’t stay on the floor anywhere near that long with his crazy high foul rate and terrible FT shot. That foul rate becomes a huge problem on our team where he has to cover defensive ineptitude at almost every other position every time he steps on the floor.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
that would help us how?
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What so we can overpay Chandler?
People got to stop blaming Lee for everthing
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Dunleavy gets 2-yr $7.5M deal
that’s very reasonable, didn’t realize he would be that cheap
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These are the free agents we should be looking at. Thad, Deshawn, Amir… and the guys who get amnestied. We don’t have a very appealing roster, recent history, or forseeable future. No reason to go after any 10 million dollar salaries.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i've lost all hope
ready for another mediocre season. At least it’ll be entertaining?
5 under .500?
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- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
possibly
then we would have to give up our pick to the Nets… sigh.
Utah has our pick now, I think
part of the Williams trade
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
what about Kirilenko?
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"Also, Evanz’ posts are easiest to hide while working. The chats and graphs can look like actual work related data to the lazy walker-by’s eye" (tafkasam)
Ok so, apparently we are still in the hunt for CP3
I’m guessing it would be a deal revolving around Ellis/Klay/Udoh.
If this trade happens, we could amnesty Beidrins next season and have Bell come off the books and have room to pair Howard and CP3
CP3
Curry
Wright
Lee
Howard
Obviously a REALLY long shot…but i’d rather think positive thoughts right now with how Chandler did us.
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like i said
obviously a long shot, but it would be one of the places CP3 and Howard could realistically team up and still have solid supporting cast.
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Why would CP3 sign here when Chandler turned us down? If he wants to play with a big, I doubt Lee is that guy he had in mind.
huh
I’m talking about next season when we have space for Howard and CP3 to both sign.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Why would DH sign here? Why would those 2 not just get together in a city they really wanna play in?
oh yeah
no nightclubs, thanks for reminding us
by SDtotheBay on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You’re probably right. On the other hand, all it would take is for their GM to like our offer better than anyone else’s…
There will be no extra point!
end result though
is that we would have CP3 on a rental deal
…then what
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
he's going to the Rockets right?
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that's what they say
“they” being twitter
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
DUDE.....
Forget free agents….
Let’s D-League this shit up and get a draft pick this year. I can stand mediocrity for 66 games.
Unfortunately Curry/Ellis/Dorell/Lee/SteamingPileOfDoodoo
are jussssssstttttt good enough to get the 8th pick.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Who knows at this point.
I think that is where he is leaning though.
Whoa
Albert Pujols just inked a 10/$254M deal with the Angels. At age 32.
OK, screw it, offer Chandler $16M and DJ $12M.
There will be no extra point!
haha
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Pretty mindblowing
Bonds would have been worth it up to age 40, but even he couldn’t maintain pace with $25 million/year after that. Of course, Bonds amassed so much value in years prior you probably still would have come out ahead if you signed him to this deal. Pujols hasn’t been quite that productive.
He could be if he provides 45 WAR or so over 10 years. Hard to do after age 32 but he’s averaged over 8 a year so far, so my mind wouldn’t be blown.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
He;s ridiculously good.
I could see him keeping up great production until he’s like 40.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Unless he has Bonds’ pharmacist, he’s unlikely to keep producing at the same level he’s been producing. 99.99999% of athletes decline through their 30s. Last season he put up the lowest OPS of his career.
Alex Rodriguez — a pretty fair comp for Pujols — has declined for five consecutive seasons since he was 31. At age 36, he’s now basically an average hitter.
There will be no extra point!
Baseball will start testing for HGH soon
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
haha i live in st. louis,
and im tired of everyone here hatin on albert
He JUST won them a championship and the man is a saint! Sports fans can be so damn sensitive.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
i know man it's ridiculous
i love albert as much as every cardinals, but ill be the last one to say anything bad about him
He'll be worth much more than what he's paid initially.
It’ll end up about even over the life of the contract, I imagine.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
That's how i see it.
Angels could win a title in his few remaining prime years and it would be worth it. He’s really freaking good.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Shannon Brown to the Suns - just a single-year deal
https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144865139689127937
Shannon Brown will sign a one year, $3.5 million deal with the Suns, league sources tell Y! Sports.
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If we can’t get a center in FA, we can possibly move David Lee to center and trade for Milsap for PF. Then, we keep Andris for back up center and play Milsap at some SF. After a couple years, we amnesty David Lee and trade Biedrins as an expiring contract.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
Of course!
Obviously the solution is to start Lee at center! Remember when he did that on the Knicks? They won like 75 games! Oh wait…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Lets tank and do this trade
NY gets CP3, and David Lee
GS gets Stoudemire, and Billups
NO gets Monta, Ekpe, and Amundson
Why do this?
Billups would get very limited minutes behind Steph and otherwise I prefer Monta, Lee, and Udoh (and I guess Lou) over Amare
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
True but Billups is an expiring and we save the amnesty for Biedrins next year
NY will amnesty Lee to make room for Chandler and everyone gets what they want. CP3 in NY while avoiding trying to dump Stoudemire, NO gets young talent and GS finally has cap space to lure free agents. 15+ mil and with the Amnesty of Biedrins if he doesn’t pan out that’ll be 24+ mil or if you fill the roster it’ll be somewhere in between 15-18 mil. Nucleus of Curry, Stoudemire, 10+ million dollar player > Curry, Monta, and Lee.
Well, you’d put Billups on 2 guards defensively. Billups played next to Lawson plenty, with decent success.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know if that would be a tank
I think we would be better than last year with those 2 guys. Regardless, NO isn’t doing that deal.
Left on the top FA center list:
Nene
Jordan
Gasol
Doesn’t look good…
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM PST reply actions
yeah, not looking good at all
Nene – max deal (or nearly) with Denver
Jordan – take a flyer, but Clipps almost certainly match anything reasonable
Gasol – shouldn’t even be listed as possible available
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
If Chandler ends up with the Knicks
Doesnt that mean they wont have any money left over to sign CP3 next summer? So if they’re all capped out, Paul cant just leave and go to the Knicks next season, so whoever has his contract at season’s end would have the highest chance at resigning him!
I know we will make an offer, hopefully we can steal Jordan
Clipps just signed Butler (for about $8mil per year).
How much can they really afford to pay Jordan?
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
They can pay him quite a bit. They are at around $50-52 million this year with the signing of Butler. Kaman will come off the books after this season which will shave $12 off that total. Money isn’t really an issue for them unless they plan on making a run at a big time FA like Howard.
silver lining
maybe we do get to keep our pick this year after all!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
let's review
Sac gets Hayes for pretty cheap
LAC gets Butler (no big deal) and retains Jordan
Suns get marginally worse by trading out Hill for Shannon Brown
warriors, nifty new marketing slogan and wi-fi in Oracle
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm very excited about the wi-fi
Maybe Marc Jackson can think up some new catch phrases for the t-shirts.
ooh!
don’t forget, we may even get a new mascot!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
maybe we do get to keep our pick this year after all!
There was a time when I thought that was virtually impossible. How the sh_tty have fallen…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
c'mon man
you’ve been a Dubs fan long enough to know better by now.
Dubs can ALWAYS mess it up
we’ll probably get the 8th pick
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Haha exactly!
They will even find a way to lose badly, getting a late lottery pick that doesn’t pan out.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 9, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
knowing the warriors, they will head into the last 15 games of the season with the worst record in basketbal
and then refuse to tank and finish the season 11-4, moving them to the 5th worst record in basketball, followed by getting screwed in the lottery to falling to 8th.
finishing is at least as important as starting
fans who want Jordan on the team would then get to enjoy two centers, both getting a starter’s salary who can’t be on the floor in the final minutes of the second or fourth quarters in many of the games (or get subbed out at time outs and re-enter for defensive sequences of course). if the team wants to use a center like Jordan or Biedrins they need to see Udoh develop an offensive game, or he won’t be able to be on the floor with either.
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by the.monk on Dec 8, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate how I almost always agree with you! Damn your will-informed opinions! Damn them to hell!
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't have a problem with Udoh starting
if there was the appropriate bench up front. Udoh is going to prove much more valuable as a center than Biedrins this year.
Denver has been privately expressing confidence on ability to re-sign Nene with 5 year deal, but derby far from over, league sources say.
via Woj
Sure has been quiet on the Nene front.
also, David West
have not heard a single peep about that guy
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Why do I have this awful feeling...
…we’re somehow going to lose Curry and end up holding the sack of Stoudemire?
why is Milwaukee so obsessed with
repeating our mediocrity?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
yeah really
do they now have Jax, Maggs, and Dunleavy?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
As he should be. The guy averages 20.5 points per 36 minutes for his career on outrageous efficiency. Say what you want about his defense, but Maggette is a damn good offensive player.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Black hole or not, he puts the ball in the basket consistently when he gets his touches. All things even (age, salary, etc.) I’ll take Maggette in his prime over a lot of other one-dimensional scorers like Monta or Kevin Martin.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hardly a ringing endorsement, lol
Look, I’m not denying Maggette can provide instant offense and get to the line. But he does the things you want from your 6th man, not the “focal point” of your offense. He’s a total ball hog.
Don’t forget his ability to get to the line. That’s what makes basketball people salivate. He gets fouled on shot attempts like a superstar at a significantly reduced pay rate. You can’t run the offense through him, but any team that doesn’t make him a focal point of their offense is making a huge mistake.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I specifically mentioned his ability to get to the line
And by “focal point,” I assume they mean they plan on running the offense “through” him. Again, Maggette is a perfect 6th man in my estimation, not the guy you want to make your offense’s focal point.
time to stay put and keep our 2012's pick
and save $$ for 2012 free agent
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 8, 2011 2:54 PM PST reply actions
Wow apparently we aren't signing anyone
Time to tank the season, I don’t want to lose that first rounder
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This just in
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Hornets have started to inform teams that they’re sending Chris Paul to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom, league sources tell Y! Sports.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
OH SHIT
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
So are they trading Gasol for Dwight?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
it would be Bynum for Dwight
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
way this offseason is shaping up
Dubs may not need to put too much effort into tanking – it will just naturally happen
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Pack your bags Khloe
You’re movin to New Orleans.
I don't see this helping the Lakers too much.
They lose their advantage of front court depth. No longer as long as they were. Don’t have the ability to go big or small. Two primary ball handlers in CP3 and Kobe. Will Kobe finally defer? Also, who do they start at pf/c? Ratliff and Gasol?
Holy crud
Dealing with the MF-ing Lakers as a Ws fan is even worse than dealing with the MF-ing Yankees as a Red Sox fan.
Only a matter of time before we see Dwight wearing the purple and gold.
New plan: let’s send Curry to OKC for free and all become Thunder fans…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
RIP best point guard in the league. You are dead to me.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
resurrected?
can Paul be forgiven now?
I want to like him again
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
The plot thickens…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 9, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Hey guys, it's Odom/Gasol, not Odom/Bynum
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yeah they just posted a correction
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
Yess!!!! Paul is leaving L.A after the season
There is bad blood between cp3 nd lakers..
Hornets loose….
You can’t rebuild a franchise by taking gasol and odom unless u trade them
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That must be some fine weed you're smoking
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Hold on, another correction!
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Correction: the proposed deal is Paul to GS for Lin and Biedrins, another source says
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Hornets GM Dell Demps:
It was a tough decision, but we just couldn’t pass the chance to build around such special players.
fixed
It was a tough decision, but we just couldn’t pass the chance to
build around such special playersset up the most star studded nba finals for our owners.
got it
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thats even worse!
the bynum for dwight offer is still in place
They’re gonna find a way now to get Dwight in LA next summer.
by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This explains why the Hornets held up on the Celtics' offer
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So wait, what was the purpose of the lockout?
To waste time? or…
the only way now Warriors is...
trade all players for picks, get #1~10 first round pick in 2012, so star players willing to join Warriors the year after.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM PST reply actions
Odom/Gasol??
It won’t be THAT bad. They’re not nearly as big as they were before. Who’s gonna play PF for them?
I said the league was going to screw NOH
putting Paul in LAL
not surprised one bit
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This has Sterns stink all over it!
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Geez calm down
Odom and Gasol are pretty good players
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nah
they’re old
the better deal for NOH would have been to get Bynum or Rondo
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Oh now they're getting Martin and Scola
This is a good team
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Really?
I’d rather have Gasol over those 2 any day.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
So would I, actually
But I think Martin and Scola fill a bigger need because Scola is a pretty good scorer and defender, and they need an efficient SG like Martin more than a player like Gasol.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
The key to this trade is the Lakers scrapping the triangle. Suddenly they need a real point guard and their bigs are slightly less useful in a conventional offense: enter Darth Stern and co. to pull the strings from (barely) behind the curtain (mixed metaphors anyone?) and serve up the ideal acquisition for LA to transfer into their new offense. Booya.
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah league really screwed NOH..
weren’t all the warriors fans combined screaming that Kobe has the best supporting cast in history? Not anymore huh?
you guys are hilarious
please stop trolling!!
this is a hard time for us…having you post all these smarmy comments doesn’t help.
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Don't see this happening still
Hornets loose in this trade
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 3:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
remember Stern is pulling the strings
NBA owns NOH
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by Evanz on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Trade deadline: bynum, 1st rounder, and artest for Dwight and turkoglu
by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Don't worry
I’m sure CP3 can’t beat out Derek Fisher
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So, NBA contraction in 2-3 years?
Small markets are going to loose all the super stars now because of this.
Time to flip monta for picks
im really hate the lakers right now. they suck *whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan*
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Its time for a league wide fantasy draft
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by 4Ever Golden on Dec 8, 2011 3:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
…just like my solution to so many video game Warriors of days past…
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
if we can get marc gasol. i say we did ok.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
You know what's funny
The Warriors are supposed to be in a large market because they’re in the Bay Area. Yet they keep losing and it never feels like they are in a large market.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I've head we are the 4th largest market in NBA
apparently not worth as much as it should.
by Togna Balogna on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
It's because the Warriors suck
If they were better they would get more money
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
It's because the Warriors suck
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by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not to rain on your parade
but I think most of us knew that Dubs are going to have a hard time attracting FAs without overpaying
the big uproar was because you were singling out our lack of clubs.
I don’t think anyone ever disputed that FAs were going to come flocking
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's not because of the lack of clubs, okay? Nobody wanted to go to the Clippers either.
IT IS BECAUSE WE HAD A TERRIBLE OWNER AND SUCKED FOR DECADES.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Who didnt want to go to the Clippers? Caron just took less money to go there. Who did they go after and didnt get?
It is because they have Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon
If you notice, before Blake nobody wanted to go to the Clippers.
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Thats bull. If Blake was in cleveland, nobody would take less to play there. KG never attracted a free agent in Minny. We all know why ppl wanna live in L.A. If Sterling was willing to pay he could have been attracted free agents. DJ might not sign our offer sheet for more money just so he can stay in LA.
You joking?
First of all, Caron Butler isn’t that good anyways. He was out the entire year last year because of a really bad injury. Second of all, LeBron and KG did attract free agents.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Larry Hughes is one for Cleveland. Joe Smith another one for Minny.
Both blunders that hamstrung them for years.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
imo that trade is pretty even
considering the Hornets really couldn’t get a much better offer, getting Pau Gasol and Odom is pretty good…
well on the bright side
i dont see a way for LA to land howard now.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
i do...bynum for howard.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
seriously
bynum was always the centerpiece in howard trade proposals
it was always
bynum and odom
odoms gone
bynum straight up for howard is a rip off for orlando
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
if i were andrew bynum, i'd try to really suck this season
the more the lakers have to send to orlando, the better
if you're orlando, you don't take bynum for dwight?
you just let him walk?
no you trade his ass
for some major future value. draft picks, a center without injury history, cap space.
think about what boston has to offer… the expirings of garnett and allen, rondo, and a first rounder
much better than bynum
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
as i said below
no one is goin to give up anything significant for a 1 year rental of dwight
sign and trade
dwight isnt one to team up with other stars. for crying out loud, he publicly stated that the top four players he wished to play with are
dwill
anthony morrow
monta
stack jax
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
The only way that makes sense for Orlando is if Bynum can stay healthy this season. He should have plenty of chance to shine with the paint all to himself and Chris Paul feeding him easy dunks.
but he's also
so incredibly injury prone…
i honestly can never put bynum on the same level as howard
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I can see it now
Chris Paul’s passing helps Bynum average 20 PPG, they trade Bynum for Howard at the end of the season
Whereupon, Bynum promptly has a career-ending knee injury.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fittingly, Howard suddenly develops a McHale-esque post game and heretofore unheard of court vision. Metta World Peace goes into the stands before each game to greet each fan with a “namaste”.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa more details
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola to NO, sources say.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
haha
it only gets worse for NOH
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Wow I can't believe you think this is such a bad deal
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it's terrible for a re-building team
they could’ve got Rondo
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and picks
how are there no picks in this deal?
what the hell is New Orleans doing?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
what the hell isNew OrleansDavid Stern doing?
tftfy
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by Evanz on Dec 8, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there are picks involved
They just haven’t been announced yet
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yeah
Stern is going to fine a few teams for some sort of mysterious transgression, penalty will cost them there picks – which Lakers will of course win in a “random” lottery draw
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
NBA owned team have anything to do with this?
Now the Lakers could lead the pack for Howard in the offseason.
It smells like hope in this mug
How is Rondo better?
A passing PG who can’t shoot? As opposed to a player who can post up and could run the floor and cause matchup problems? Plus a very efficient SG and a very good PF?
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they could have gotten so much more
Rondo would be better for them, they would basically be the same team if they could re sign West. But of course, the NBA own the hornets
West is 31 years old coming off a serious knee injury
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well I mean other than that
they could have gotten high draft picks, like the one the Clippers were offering. They could’ve found something much better than a 31 year old PF in Scola, a decent SG in Martin and Lamar Odom. This IS Chris Paul we’re talking about
for the record
I don’t think it’s that bad of a deal, just saying that I would have gone a different direction
OK
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they could have got picks
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They're still working out the details, the deal is not finalized yet.
I’m guessing there will be some picks involved.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
The full details have not come out yet
I’m sure there are picks
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They're still working out the details
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
so let me get this straight
NOH just traded CHRIS PAUL away for two pf’s and a high volume 2?
….and now they’re down a starting center and pg with zero shot at nene or jordan…
why the hell didnt they take bostons offer
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Now the Lakers need a Center
Gasol, MWP and picks for D12; fill in the blanks
It smells like hope in this mug
LA's not done either
now they’ll trade Bynum for Dwight
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orlando would never do that
they can so much more…. like draft picks for instance *cough *cough
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
i just dont believe dwight is the team up with superstars kind of guy
think about boston for a second. one of the best cities to play in. If i’m orlando, hows the expiring of garnett, rajon rondo, and they’re first round pick sound with a sign and trade with orlando?
thats so much more value than bynum
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
sign and trade
like i said. its so much more logical
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Time for contraction
What is the point of having all of these small market teams?
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awesome
maybe we can merge our team with Sac
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
on the bright side
we didn’t get screwed by Jerry West dealing Curry to LA for Derek Fisher
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by Evanz on Dec 8, 2011 3:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
on the bright side we didn’t get screwed by Jerry West dealing Curry to LA for Derek Fisher
OMG I dind’t even make that connection. Thank (whatever) Stern has dibs on underhanded, shady deals this year.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Calm the F*** down people
This was not a bad trade for NO. Stop pretending Rondo is somehow that much better than Odom, Scola and K-Mart
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it was bad for the *league*
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yes it was
they’re down a starting C and PG without replacements…
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
They have Okafor
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lol
another reason this trade sucks- the least the Hornets could’ve done was get LA to take on one of their bad contracts.
Hmmmm?
Okafor is not that bad a contract.
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He’s making over $12 mil this year!!!
It’s like the Hornets actually think they can compete with a core of Martin, Scola, Ariza, and Okafor.
Also sucks that they traded Collison last offseason.
Notice how all the centers are getting overpaid. Compared to the rest of the league this is not a bad deal.
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That team is not much worse or better than the Warriors.
It’s not THAT bad. They get three starters and four quality rotation players. They want to be semi-relevant it seems.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
yeah
I would guess their line of thinking was that without Paul, they NEED some decent players, or their attendance is going to be like, zero
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
How do Hornets get screwed?
you guys are annoying. Lakers gave up a lot for a great player. Simple is that.
stop crying
i think we’re (at least i am) just upset that the dubs lost 2 high profile targets in one day… one of which is going to the evil empire down south…
Don't call them the evil empire
He is a Lakers sympathizer.
it's been a rough day here lol
plus, a majorty of us hate the Lakers
the only reason im mad is because the lakers will always be relevant.
no matter what they are always in prime position to take away stars.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
we must trade curry for howard before the deadline
and let howard and monta play together. then we sign deron williams.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
PLAN:
Tank this year and play Tyler Udoh Klay Jenkins Lin 40 mins a game each.
Increase all thier values!
Take advantage of one of the best drafts in history.
cool.
Lacob is gonna have to pay off the fans who were promised playoffs tho hah
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
sorry
i cant take another season of mediocrity
sorry
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
that is not mediocracy! its the best (tanking)
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
no seriously
fuck that.
we have a whole new look going. i’m won’t accept going back to the old ways
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
well lets see what we get here tomorrow but right now we dont have a center..
and playin those guys all those minutes would make them stout for next year and up all thier trade value
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
We never really went that way of blowing up.
Keep missing the playoffs but not for much, keep overpaying mediocre players, always missed the best in the draft. A vicious circle!
Welp
This is what separates the ballsy more experienced organizations from the noobs.
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by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2011 3:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Teams have to wait 6 months before signing long-term extensions with recently traded players
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Tanking wont help in a draft that has no dominant Center. Our best bet is to get beyond the 2012 draft and hope to find a C in the 2013 draft.
A true rebuild is a 3-5 year commitment. If we don’t get a good big this draft, we try again next draft.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Somebody tell me what the purpose of the lockout was again.
I thought they were trying to create balance for small market teams. So, CP3 to Lakers is balance?
The lockout was a joke. It had nothing to do with creating fairness. It was all about splitting your dollars.
Tell me: going forward, how is any team in a market other than NY, Chi or LA ever going to be attractive enough to a player like CP3 to keep him from going to where the money is?
And now we see why the players wouldn’t budge on no extend-and-trade deals. We should just tax any team that benefits from one of these garbage deals.
At least for all his lockout effort, Derek Fisher has lost his day job. The players were so focused on maintaining Player freedom, they never thought to restrict the way David Stern pulls strings around the league.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
here's a question I got on Twitter
Would you rather have Monta, Udoh, and Klay or Scola and Martin?
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Scola and Martin
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you crazy
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Martin is more efficient than Ellis
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sure
but he’s even worse defensively
overall, he’s a better player
but I would take Udoh/Klay for their potential, if I’m re-building
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Maybe they researched both and were left unimpressed.
It’s not hard to see why.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
They are changing the Shoot Foul rules
Who knows if Martin will be as efficient anymore.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
really?
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only for the whole reach in
guy throws his arms up and yells = shooting foul
now it would just be a non-shooter
please don’t judge me for reading BDL
link
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
No, see,
Martin doesn’t to the rip-through thing.
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yeah, I actually think most guys will adjust and be just fine
it is after all still a foul
I was just stepping in to give Evan some additional details, not advocating that Martin would become noticeably less effective on offense
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Good to know
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It's not a matter if who we wanted
The Hornets probably don’t like Monta
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
in a vacuum, win now?
I’d take Scola and Martin
for a franchise in rebuilding mode, I’d stick with our guys
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
if lakers get dwight
i might stop watching the nba
It's not worst than 3 top free agents colluding to get to one team
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I get we all hate the lakers, but how is this any different then what the C’s did?
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The Celtics were in the twilight of their careers
Howard and Paul are in their primes.
Frankly, I'm just sick and tired of watching the Lakers win all the time
Who wants to see the Lakers win every year? Laker fans.
Beyond that, how is any team ever going to compete for talent? This is a joke.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Honeslty its just the teams with better Gm’s I mean the lakers traded for Kobe, They traded for shaq. drafted bynum. Who was the last big Free agent to sign there?
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by 4Ever Golden on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
good point
…but Paul sort of signed as a free agent (since he was essentially rejecting other offers by refusing to sign an extension)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
They can even sign an extension yet. Have to wait 6 months.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
are you seriously questioning if Paul re-ups with the Lakers?
especially considering Dwight to Lakers is now looking like a distinct possibility
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Kobe forced his way to LA (told all other teams not to bother drafting him; NJ wanted him bad if I remember right), and Shaq was the original big-name FA to leave the team that drafted him for a bigger market.
Bynum was the only player that would’ve ended up a Laker even if they weren’t in LA, and it’s debatable if he’s even going to be that good long-term.
What
You know that Kobe was seen as a “risk” at the time, right? And that they traded Vlade Divac to take a risk on an unproven high schooler?
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Every pick is a risk
Does that change that Kobe forced his way to LA to play in a big market?
What the hell are you talking about
THEY TRADED A PROVEN, RELATIVELY YOUNG CENTER FOR AN UNPROVEN HIGH SCHOOLER. THE LAKERS DIDN’T DRAFT HIM. THE CHARLOTTE HORNETS DRAFTED HIM AND TRADED HIM FOR VLADE.
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Why do you think he got trade to LA? Kobe wouldn’t even work out for other teams before the draft.
And let’s not forget that it is because LA is a big market team that they can afford to take risks like that. They know they’ll always have other players wanting to play there. A small market franchise doesn’t have that same luxury.
by ERock386 on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously it's useless arguing with you
I’ll stop now.
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Because you're missing my point, I think
Obviously it was a good trade by the Lakers. I’m not arguing that.
What I’m saying is that Kobe forced his way to LA, and that LA has the luxury of making risky moves like that because they’re a big market team. Do you not agree with that?
Huh?
Centers don’t grow on trees. There is a reason good centers are overpaid – because there are not a lot of them. It’s hard to find a seven foot guy who can score and defend. It’s less hard to find a guard who can score.
If this trade backfired on the Lakers it would have been a terrible move. It’s easier to find an above-average scoring guard than it is to find an above-average center.
Also, to your point, just because you are a large market does not mean you have the luxury to make risky moves. The Knicks took risks on guys like Eddy Curry and Stephon Marbury look how that turned out.
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And yet they were still able to sign Amare, get Carmelo to force his way over there, and sign Chandler. The Knicks are the perfect example of how a big market team can easily recover from a decade of horrible management.
Big market teams absolutely have that luxury. The Lakers have signed Luke Walton, Ron Artest, Steve Blake, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Sasha Vujacic, and many others (see Vlad Radmanovic) to horrible deals, but they can get away with it.
The post I was originally replying to was saying that the Lakers win because they have a superior GM. I’m just pointing out that it is more because of their big market status. Look at what Jerry West did in Memphis for example.
What are you talking about? They sucked FOR AN ENTIRE DECADE.
Also, Jerry West did not do badly in Memphis, everyone just remembers that he chose to draft Drew Gooden over Amare.
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If you’re interested, here’s an article that backs up both sides of our arguments in some ways:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=dw-wetzel_game_changing_decision_032411
Erock dropping knowledge right now. Its no coincedence all the big market teams are in the position they are in right now. Players will always find their way there. Since were in a small market, we gotta be extra carefull. We cant afford to make the mistakes a desirable market can make.
The Knicks are the perfect example of how a big market team can easily recover from a decade of horrible management.
Yes, indeed. But again, they were really really bad. They made a whole bunch of intentionally talent-losing trades to clear cap space for LeBron.
When they didn’t get him, this was their plan B.
I wish Melo, Amare, and Chandler was our Plan B.
by ERock386 on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so...not excited about getting Turiaf back??
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
That starts with deciding to rebuild.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 9, 2011 12:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You must realize that the reason the Lakers were able to sign Kobe
was because of the Lakers’ huge territory (=money to go over the cap). There is no way that Portland or some small market team would have been able to hold on to Kobe, even if they drafted him.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
if the lakers get dwight
the system is broken… occupy commissioner’s office!
Heh
So much for the owner’s saying they want a competitive league.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
the commissioner's office?
The commissioner was opposed to these kind of deals. Occupy the NBAPA. At least I can enjoy that Fisher just negotiated a CBA that will result in his benching.
Stephen A. Smith
just said he believes the Lakers could have Dwight before tomorrow afternoon…..
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Huh?
They are shipping out Gasol and Odom.
That’s a deal we couldn’t top if we offered them everyone on our roster.
In a 3 team trade
More flexibility to trade our other assets.
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Stephen A. Smith is also an idiot
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by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We could compete with the Lakers if we sign Nene.
by J-RIDAH on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
the only thing is, I have no reason to believe that this will get done. Hopefully my expectations are wrong
It's confirmed on espn
They jus announced lakers r getting cp3 for sure
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 3:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
and there were some "other players" involved
who apparently aren’t good enough to be worth noting
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Woj says Hornets also get Dragic
that’s their new PG?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Is Chris Paul going to back up Fish?
I smell a PG controversy in the making.
If the Lakers don't get Howard, they are still beatable
They lost 2 of their big 3 trees in the middle which made them so imposing. If Bynum goes down, they are will essentially have no frontcourt. Kobe is getting older and Paul has a bad knee. There is still hope for Laker haters as long as they don’t get Howard.
Plus paul can't guard monta, speed kills
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
check Monta's stats
he is actually very stoppable
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
injuries can dictate if this move is bad or not for the Lakers. If we can get Nene, this whole thing won’t be so bad. Crossing my fingers that the Lakers don’t get Dwight, it would defeat the whole purpose of the lockout.
If he wants to play with a star
At least send him to OKC or somwhere besides the Lakers.
As mad as I am the lakers are going to dominate for even longer
I am so damn envious of the lakers front office. They are always making the right moves, drafting the right players and so on. Please Mr. West make this us soon!
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we need to open up more night clubs….
by adoboguy on Dec 8, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we are a big market
just we had bad owners/teams for so long.
Lakers front court will be vulnerable For sure
Bynum is suspended for 6 games. Plus it is likely one of Kobe Paul or Bynum knees get injure again. But what if cp3 doesn’t sign an extension. Lakers are left with an old Kobe!!!!
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 4:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
hahaha
good luck with that
remember that Artest used to be all up in Kobe’s grill
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Artest has personality problems.
Cp3 is different I hope
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they practically are
ever since the 2008 olympics they’ve been buds
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So what could monta get us now?
Assuming we can’t get a superstar that agrees to extend with us for curry, what could we get for him?
Do we do picks/expirings or go for teams that have spare centers (hah)
It would be awesome if CP3 hates the Lakers as much as we do
and ditches them after this season
I bet this was planned all along
use Ws/Clips to dominate the talks, then let them break down and give CP3 to LAL
disagree... curry + others in trade isn't worth a 1 year rental like paul would've been
the only way it’d be worth it is if we won the finals w/ said rental… and w/o a top tier big man, there’s no way we get there
the only benefit of having cp3
Was trading him again, but for what?
They get Kevin Martin - who's basically a better but less fun version of Monta Ellis -
- and Lamar Odom, who if he came to the Warriors would be the best big man on our roster.
Does Curry+Lee beat that deal?
It's not Curry plus Lee though. The deal was Monta + for Paul unsigned.
NO hears that and swiftly moved on. I wonder if the Warriors were just biding their time though or if they really were indifferent on getting CP3.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Right.
My point, though, is to counter all the chatter about how our front office failed to get Paul.
We can’t top Odom and Gasol. Or Odom and KMart, however you want to shake it up. That’s more talent going up than we have in any two players.
Those are huge contracts for non-difference makers
They took on Scola, Odom and MArtin. 30 mil to 3 players. All under contract for 3 years
This is not a rebuild
But it's still an odd trade from their perspective.
I guess they’ll easily reach the salary floor for awhile.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
haha
the Hornets medium three
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Stern did what was best for the league
Not the NOH. I feel bad for the (few) basketball fans left in New Orleans.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Since the Hornets are giving away
their best player…maybe we can trade Biens with Udoh for Okafor
I found a solution
“Dwight Howard wants Monta Ellis, Andre Iguodala, or Josh Smith in Orlando”
trade monta for whatever the Magic want, he’ll sign an extension in Orlando
trade monta for whatever the Magic want, he’ll sign an extension in Orlando
Now that is gorilla warfare at it’s best :) bravo!!
meh
look at the Magic roster – not seeing much to want there
….JJ Redick anyone?
Brandon Bass is nice
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
awesome
grammar nazi’ing at it’s best
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
so...wait
is he the Vanilla Guerrilla?
I like that better, much better
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
The lockout apparently made things so much horribly worse for small market teams.
For a while, I thought the players got hosed. But now that I take a second look, the owners of small market teams got hosed. For all the posturing that we saw during the lockout, nobody would have guessed that the league’s best PG and SG would wind up on the same team immediately after the new CBA “deal” was reached.
And on top of that, D. Howard now rumored to go to LA? I will not watch another game. What’s the point?
Players didn't want a hard cap
So this is what we get.
funny
the hornets wanted a future star from us but a bag of rocks from the rockets and lakers. interesting
i just want to say, the owners of the Hornets are doing a horrible job.
wait? you mean they’re owned by the NBA?? really? that explains SO MUCH
Maybe not conspiracy
…but certainly a convenient set of circumstances involving this transaction.
How could the NBA itself trade such talent to the Lakers directly in light of the new CBA which was supposed to correct this type of imbalance?
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
that's a pretty nice bag of rocks
Scola and Odom
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
That also explains how rose was picked by chicago and sac vs lakers game 6
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So........NOH didn't do the deal with GSW because they wanted actual players back in the deal.
But of course, when the Lakers enter the equation…..
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
oh great
now Lakers bandwagoners are filling up my Facebook news feed…
at least now you know who to unfriend
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How is it possible?
the hornets are taking in $30+ million and only sending out 16..isnt that against the trade rules or this the laker exception
It's a 3 way deal, rockets are involved
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 4:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they don't have West's contract anymore,
they had some money
yeah i know
its still over 125% of their out going salary or does that not matter
the deal isn't finalized
the hornets need to unload like $10.6 million for it to work. The most likely scenario is Emeka Okafor going to the Lakers
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yeah, from Thronton?
but it’s got to be tiny
…looks like less than one million bucks
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Amnesty clause… not trade exception. Once the Hornets amnesty Okafor the deal can easily go through.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
If we strike out on Chandler/Nene/DJ (as looks increasingly likely) perhaps we should make a bid on an amnestied Okafor?
There will be no extra point!
Weird trade for the Hornets…get two old guys and Kevin Martin (dunno how old he is but I’m pretty sure he’s not getting any better). For a team that’s not going anywhere in the near future, wouldn’t they want young talent or draft picks (and not draft picks from LA because those won’t be worth much)? They seemed to want it when it was the Warriors/Clippers?
I can’t make sense of it.
I can’t make sense of it.
You know the Hornets are owned by Stern, right?
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my guess
Hornets aren’t done trading
instead of one gigantic super star unwilling to sign anywhere (with assets) they have two (maybe three) highly desirable guys.
I can easily imagine someone like the Kings, heck even the Clippers, coming in to swoop on either Gasol or Odom
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Time for contraction. Make this a four-team league and things wouldn’t be too different from how things will look in for the near future.
Maybe Miami could gun after Dwight? Trade LeBron to Orlando and get Howard. Orlando still has a franchise player locked up long-term, and Miami gets a superstar center to play with Wade and Bosh. DO IT (Pat) RILEY!
Agreed.
Six teams: LAL, BOS, SA, NY, CHI and MIA.
Practically veryone else is basically wasting their time.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
San Antonio doesn't attract free agents either
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Chicago doesn't either really
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I'll give you that.
SA and CHI managed to hit the bullseye with some of their draft picks.
OK, take them out. Four teams.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
And OKC!
Durant may end up the last superstar who doesn’t look like a douche.
There will be no extra point!
I almost guarantee D. Howard will end up on the Lakers...
…for a clearance bag a hostess donuts and a reserved parking space at Wing Stop on Sunset Blvd.
But from the Warriors, they’d want us to leverage our future.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
What a bad trade for the Hornets...this makes them older and more expensive.
How exactly can you rebuild like this smh.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:19 PM PST reply actions
They wanted all this young talent from the Warriors...
and accept old, expensive players. I don’t understand it.
examine the details when the deal is sealed
and there will be one or more first round picks going to NO — the very thing Lacob and cohorts could never offer.
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Let's be real
This trade is GARBAGE for the Lakers.
Kobe + CP3 will not win it all. Who’s their big? Bynum? GARBAGE.
If anything, this makes the Lakers a lot worse.
Unless they can pull of Dwight…that’s a different story.
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This trade is great for the Lakers I thought because keeping Bynum means they can swap him for Gasol.
If they don’t get Howard, I actually agree with you. Kobe’s getting up there in years and Bynum is too injury prone, plus they have no one else besides World Peace.
Honestly, I think Gasol and Odom were bigger influences on the rings than Bynum. The guy is way to injury prone and is only average.
Artest (I refuse to use the Metta monker) was useless last year.
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Gasol never got enough credit
he was really the linchpin that turned the Lakers back around
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Kobe has never played with a allstar point guard. CP3 under Mike Brown’s defense is scary. If the Lakers get David West to go there for cheap, just give them the ring now.
FUUUUUUUU
David West…I forgot all about that guy!
could the lakers really afford all that?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
David West = injury prone
And they only reason he got that All Star bid that year was because Stern wanted to hate on B Diddy.
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it kinda matters
who do the lakers have at PF now?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well, no one relevant
But do you REALLY think David West will be the last piece?
Posey seems to always be the last piece…
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You’ve got too much faith in Grimace’s coaching abilities.
I really don’t think the Lakers will end up being higher than the 4th or 5th seed in the playoffs.
I’m almost inclined to say something crazy (which I will). I’d bet 5 orders of Nachos from the Roaracle that we’ll split our series against the Lakers this year.
New coach + Curry + Monta + Klay + Lee + Udoh ain’t gonna be bad.
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I never said were gonna be bad. Im just saying I seen what Brown’s defense did with only 1 good player. Give him 2 all defensive guys and a goon in the paint and the Lakers are a much scarier team than they were 5 hours ago.
I’m not going to disagree with you there – defensively they are better.
I just don’t think it is enough.
I think the Heat can take em (Go BRON BRON!) and that’s good enough for me.
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yeah I don’t know about that one.
Metta was pretty bad last year, so unless something can be sparked from his incredible suckage on Dancing with the Stars (my girlfriend made me watch it) I’m gonna say he sucks again.
How exactly are the Lakers going to win the battle on the boards?
Chris Bosh + Shane Battier seem to be able to pull down boards…and dare I say it…maybe Eddy Curry??!?!
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Fisher wasn’t an all star point guard? Are you sure? (I joke I joke)
Look, two players can’t make a championship.
Three players can’t bring a ring (almost though)
You need a lot of good role players with tons of talent and the Lakers just don’t have it anymore. What they do have – a CP3 that’s going to book it in a year for NYC.
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I seen the Bulls win a championship with 2 players. 2 hall of fame players in their prime always have a good shot at a championship. Especially if both are 1st team all defensive guys.
Who are 1st team all defensive players on the Lakers, discounting the BS one's Kobe has received.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Kobe is the best defensive 2 guard in the game. Cp3 is the best defensive point guard in the game. Throw in a focused Metta and Browns defense and your looking at a nightmare.
First...no.
And Wade is not the best defensive 2 guard in the game either.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Not true on so many levels.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
“Kobe” and “defensive” should only be in the same sentence when Laker fans get defensive every time people criticize Kobe.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
With all the negativity here
I wonder why some of you even watch the NBA.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
That very thought had just crossed my mind.
I’d been wavering for so many years, as we in Dub Nation have nothing much to enjoy about the NBA except our feverish loyalty and endless hope.
I was even a bit optimistic after the new CBA was agreed to and the Warriors were in play for some of the big names out there.
However, when this type of player movement perpetually favors certain teams in certain markets, you begin to wonder what the point of watching is.
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we basically just got left on the dance floor
and our dates are BOTH making out with the popular kid
that hurts
If you can’t understand that, than I reserve the right to ask for your Warriors fan club membership card back
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
hahahahaha
good one.
But seriously, weren’t they just supposed to have fixed it so stuff like this didn’t happen? What was the point of the lockout? How is any team going in a small market ever going to have a chance?
by MikeAucksbigg on Dec 8, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Bro
IT’S NOT FAIR THAT THE GOOD FRONT OFFICES DO BIG MOVES. IT’S NOT FAIR.
OCCUPY THE NBA!
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Front offices have nothing to do with it. Put the lakers front office in Milwuakee and see what happens.
It absolutely has to do with the front offices.
West and Kupchack are miles ahead of what we’ve had until now. Drafting well, trading well, will keep the ball rolling, something the dubs can’t do.
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Damn, I should have checked before I asked that.
Because now I see such all stars as Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton, and who could forget Sun Yue…
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Chukwudiebere Maduabum?!?!??!
(How did I miss that draft pick?)
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Past decade doesn't matter
As I said, once you start well you get the ball rolling. They drafted Vlade which they parlayed into Kobe. Bynum is their best pick of the last decade and they might get Dwight with him and they parlayed Pau’s brother in addition to others for Marc. Drafting well always go a long way.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
So they drafted one good player like 20 years ago and made a bunch of one-sided trades that are shrouded with conspiracy.
Gotcha.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?! Ahh a conspiracy theorist
Enlighten me Mr. Moore.
Also enlighten me on how great the Warriors have been with incompetent ownership for the past two decades.
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I'm quoting people from the thread and other Warrior fans.
But work on your insults lol.
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I wonder why some of you even watch the NBA.
It’s a great game when it’s played fairly.
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by Evanz on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Good argument
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
DRAGIC!? yes... that guy's what NOH will build around...
i can see why NOH held out for him over Ellis + other Dubs.
"Stern says it's fair to say this will be his last deal. He won't be around in 10 years, and maybe not in 6 (when either side can opt out.)."
http://twitter.com/#!/sheridanhoops/status/144922004871593984
Hallelujah. only 6-10 more years.
meh
he will just be replaced by another league shill
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
As long as we get a Center upgrade over Biedrins we should be happy. Dalembert or DJ would be more than acceptable.
I seen Iverson go to the finals with less than what we have. A defensive Center gets us in the playoffs imo.
Iverson’s Sixers were arguably the best defensive team in the league that year in an Eastern Conference that was extremely weak. It wasn’t just a “defensive center” that put them into the Finals.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
i say, let them have him for a draft pick
it’ll clear up $11M to sign someone else
looks like the Rockets draft pick will be heading to the Hornets
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still hoping that Kahn does something silly in the midst of all this happening to keep things amusing. Maybe send Kevin Love to Orlando for Gilbert Arenas. Everyone will scream out “KAAAAAAHN!”, then realize that he just helped keep Dwight Howard from jumping ship to LA and sing loving praises to him.
Won't happen
Riley will offer Curry and potatoes for D12.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
let's go after Thaddeus Young
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Backing up both forward positions and maybe some spot starts for matchup purposes.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but a center first.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
I honestly think Monta, Klay, Udoh, and Tyler would be a better deal for the Hornets...
They get to actually rebuild…
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM PST reply actions
Stern is deeply upset that his team wasn't able to get younger talent.
He’ll lose a ton of sleep over this I’m sure.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Too lazy to read the comments, but how exactly does this work? Doesn’t the NBA own NO right now…? Are they really just going to hand the Lakers Chris Paul that easily (good deal for LAL and Houston, but for the Hornets it’s not good).
The Lakers gave up a fair amount of talent to get Paul.
I don’t know to what extent that talent makes sense for New Orleans, but Gasol+Odom is more than we could have offered.
I love you Lebron.
Please beat Kobe in the finals.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Laker fans roam the country.
They’ll be loved no matter what.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Only problem is that one can be vaccinated for and the other cannot be…
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
They still are. CP3 let his team get something in return for him walking. He was honest by telling them he’s gone. Bosh and Lebron did not.
LOL
So Lebron does demand a trade like the rest of these players yet he is selfish?
#LakerFanViewpoints
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
CP3 did not demand a trade. Demps asked him would he sign a extension, he said no. Demps says where would you sign a extension, he gives his list and the trade takes place. Not a demand at all. NO is not left in the cold like Cleveland and TO. Some would say they actually got better.
Here's the difference with Lebron...
he makes any team he’s on a title contender so the Cavs had a chance to win the title with him, so why trade him?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Wut
I was agreeing with the fact the Miami will remain the villains, because 3 free agents colluded to one team. A front office, albeit the Lakers, make moves and for that they should be the villains? Completely laughable, but the great teams will always have their haters aka Lakers, Yankees, Patriots.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
That's where your wrong.
NBA fans are idiots, somehow forcing your way out of a shitty team one year before your contract expires is just fine, yet being open with your options once you are a free agent and finding the best situation on your own makes you a villain. God I’m livid today.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 8, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely ironic. But hey, rationality and sports fandom almost never goes hand-in-hand.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8a8lwyw
We give Orlando Monta so Dwight will stay put in Orlando. We get Iguodala and Speights. Philly gets Turkoglu’s playmaking to slightly offset the loss of Iguodala’s playmaking. [/pipedream]
In which case, why would Philly even consider this if they can just trade Iguodala for Turkoglu straight up? Howard stated that he wants ’Dre or Monta in Orlando.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
NO doesn't get totally raped
They get Odom, Scola, Martin, Dragic, and picks.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
We didn't want to trade Curry
So it would’ve been Ellis, Udoh, and Klay. I wouldn’t have taken that if I were the Hornets.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Yes we could
What are the hornets going to do paying Scola, Martin, Odom 100 mil for next 3 years? Two are over 30…
One starter vs three?
Curry is best player of any of the players listed going to NO (back when this deal was happening) but not the best player in the deal in the short term (that’s Gasol).
But Udoh and Klah are career backups. Odom is a very good big man, Scola is a good big man, and Martin is a starting-quality two guard.
But Udoh and Klah are career backups
How in the heck do you know that all they will be is backups? talk is cheap, I rate Jerry West a lot higher in assessing basketball talent than you or anyone else on the forums, and he felt very strongly about Klay…
Do we really know what West thinks of Klay’s ultimate potential -
- or merely that he thinks he was the best player available at that spot?
I would take West’s opinion over mine, too … but we don’t know West’s true mind. In any event, no, I don’t expect a late lottery pick in a historically weak draft to turn into a regular starter.
Udoh is not likely to ever be a decent offensive player or a good rebounder. That makes it hard to envision him as a starter for any decent team, no matter how good he is at blocking shots.
Well the question is, what does it gain them?
Trading Paul for 3 players who make 30 mil combine for 3+ years who are unlikely to improve them is a backwards step.
They basically move to Warrior and of good enough to challenge for playoffs, not good enough to go anywhere. 30-45 win territory.
The best options for them are clearly, young talent (like steph or gordon), prospects, or picks.
This move represents worst possible move, in my opinion. Especially when the players they attain are 28, 31 and 32 now with 3 years owed to each
Well, honestly, I don't know.
If their goal is to turn into a championship contender, I agree with you.
But I suspect that given their financial constraints, their goal is to be an entertaining playoff team. They’re never going to be a consistent near-tax-threshold team, which you have to do to be a contender (barring a few highly unusual circumstances).
So maybe the best they can do is to put out a team which will win somewhere between 35-45 games, compete for the bottom end of the playoffs, and be modesty profitable thanks to the new cap rules.
In which case, Odom+Martin+Knicks draft pick is probably better than Curry+Epke+Klay.
it may be a superior offer
but it wasn’t on the table
who you calling garbage?
Odom?
Gasol?
Scola?
heck, even KMart isn’t total garbage
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Magette wasn't that good
Stack Jack forced his way out and killed his trade value
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Maggs could score, not as good as Kmart but he also could play D something Martin doesnt do. their value couldnt be much different. Odom is old makes a ton. Scola im not much of a fan for but i guess he is good and gasol is good but we have to trade our over prices vets for charlie bell and dan gadzurik but other teams turn a bunch of middle of the road talent into pau gasol
Corey Magette is not a good player
LOL. Here is who he is: a black hole on offense. The ball goes in and never comes out. Looks at how bad he was on the Bucks. It only felt like he was good because he was in the run and gun. He relies a lot on getting to the line – if he doesn’t get a foul call he sucks. I will agree that his defense is better than Kevin Martin’s.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Looks at how bad he was on the Bucks.
Was he? I have a hard time seeing how 20.7 points (on .573 TS%) and 6.7 rebounds per 36 for a small forward is bad. Especially on a team completely devoid of offense like the Bucks. Blame Scott Skiles for not utilizing his best offensive player when his team desperately needed it.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure it had to do with defense.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
it’s not how many points you score…it’s all about points scored versus points given up
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
what's interesting is
In 09-10: when he was on the court our team scored 109.1 per 100 posessions, and 108.8 when he was off. Minimal effect. MEanwhile our defense was +5.6 better without him. He had an impact of -5.3 on our play
in 10-11 with milwaukee again they were only 0.5 better offensive with him and 3.7 worse with him on defense. Giving him a -3.2 impact on the team.
In both cases he had a negative impact, didn’t improve teams offense by much if any, while hurtng defense a lot.
Definition of hollow stats.
That makes them mediocre..
it doesn’t help them rebuild at all.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Better than CP3 walking away with nothing
Baron never told us of his departure and we got nothing for him.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Is tomorrow when we learn that Stern is selling the Hornets?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
I bet we could've gotten Paul if we had a draft pick to trade
Damn you, Marcus Williams!
noooooooooooooooooooooo
gswscribe Marcus Thompson
#GSW loses out on Tyson Chandler and Chris Paul in the same day. What’s worse? They might end up settling for Joel Przybilla/Biedrins tandem
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
back to the Nuggs
for a nearly max deal
(no thanks)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
not 100% yet!!
Nene doesn’t want back in Denver :P. i hope.
Houston is going after him
Pau + Nene = goooood
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OOOoooo
that is danger right there!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
VANILLA GORILLA!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yep it's time to tank
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nooo go for d Jordan !!!!!!! Wtffff
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 5:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
there we go
but how’s that going to work?
Hibbert only makes about $2.6mil per year…Monta wont get that trade done
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Indy has all the cap space in the world. We could deal Monta for Hibbert straight up. My deal would be Monta,Lou for Hibbert,Posey and Dahntay Jones. Thats the best trade we can make right now.
thanks
yeah, I’d settle for Monta for Hibbert, straight up, keep the salary space
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I read somewhere yesterday
that Larry Bird says George and Granger will not be traded
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
so where does this put us in the playoff pic?
13th in the west?
goodie
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
upside:
we might keep our top 7 protected draft pick?
by lameallenmark on Dec 8, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
this is the upside
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure it changes it too much
LA was ahead of us anyway and the trade certainly didnt make NO better. Only team that we have to worry about is Houston
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
the thing is that houston was a team to battle the 8th seed with
and if they sign nene, they shoot past us
i’m pretty certain that NO isn’t done this offseason either
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I'm having trouble deciding how much better LA got...
Yes they got Chris Paul, but they’ve lost the size advantage they held over everyone else. They also have no bench support(with Shannon Brown leaving too) and no PF they can start.
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:09 PM PST reply actions
Maybe they're getting Okafor too?
In turn, the Lakers are also expected to acquire another frontcourt presence, possibly veteran Emeka Okafor. Once this becomes official Friday when training camp opens, some questions suddenly become irrelevant.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
they're probably not done
next step is going to be Howard
but yeah, losing Gasol and Odom at the same time is a pretty radical change to that roster
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 8, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
yea a lot's riding on their ablity to bring in new players
If they cant bring in Howard or a big name player, this trade may not look as good
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Time to tank...
Davis, Drummond, Barnes, McAdoo, or Gilchrist please.
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
We don't...
have a first round pick unless it’s in top 6
Yea, that's why we need to ensure we're in the bottom 6
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Brandan Wright practicing with the Warriors?
Is that Brandan Wright practicing with Warriors in this linked pic:
???
looks like his ears
not his face though…
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Can't tell if thats him
It certainly looks like him though. Though last I heard the Mavericks were taking a look at him
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Is that the Tommy Smith guy Rusty Simmons tweeted about?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
I want to cry
Lakers? Seriously….
They will have Dwight Howard before next season.
Does anyone else think it’s SUSPICIOUS since the NBA owns LA? What a joke.
rigged
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where is twitter when...
you need a confirmation. Someone get at stainmatts. lol
Confirmed
The Lakers have finalized the trade with the New Orleans Hornets and Houston Rockets. The Lakers sent Gasol to the Rockets. The Hornets receive Odom, Rockets guards Kevin Martin and Goran Dragic and forward Luis Scola, league sources said.
Seriously.
F U David Stern
Tomorrow is when we learn that Stern is selling the Hornets
Basketball in NOLA is going bye bye
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
So explain to me how a team will re-build with Odom, Scola, Martin
3 players making 10 mil+ a year for 3 years. Two of whom are over 30?
This is a joke.
Stern is going to lose so much sleep tonight now that he hurt his "precious" team.
Why must I love the Warriors so? Basketball would be so awesome if it weren’t for this shit.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
LOL
MSteinmetzCSN Matt Steinmetz
Some competitive balance. Apparently, the new CBA didn’t address the weather in Minnesota, Milwaukee and Cleveland.
Honestly, as it stands, the Lakers are worse.
Kobe isn’t a top 10 player like everyone says. But yeah, he’s good. Chris Paul is a top 5 player. But then what? Bynum is good but an injury risk. They have no depth and Gasol and Odom were better players than Kobe these past few years. Kobe needs his bigs otherwise he’s useless.
The fear, obviously is that Dwight will come next, or other gifts.
sigh…
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Agreed
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
The fear, obviously is that Dwight will come next
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 8, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
haha
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Anyone else think that the Lakers are going to end up, hopefully, getting owned in this?
NYK will be able to offer Amare and Chandler for Howard…which crushes anything the Lakers could offer and Paul will walk to NYK?
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, if the NBA was a fair place, there's no doubt.
But it’s not, as evidenced today.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
how about
rondo, garnett’s expiring, and a first round plus fillers for howard and hedo or gil
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
ya but Howard wants to be in NY or LA...not BOS
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I’m sure Paul would rather play with Dwight and Carmelo than Dwight and Kobe; at this stage in Kobe’s career…and it being New York
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Am I not the only one who all of a sudden wants the Heat to win the title now....
\
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
I've wanted them to win all along.
I saw nothing wrong with what happened there, because that’s what the NBA is. Why are people upset at free agents joining forces when trades like the Pau robbery of 07 and the CP3 ransack of 2011 happen all the time?
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
you're right, its different
the new CBA was supposed to avoid these types of situations, and the NBA just got all hypocritical on itself
(assuming dwight hits LA soon)
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Nope
I still want someone UNEXPECTED to win the title this season.
hahaha!
yes!!
The Cinderella story of the decade!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Haha well yeah I think we all would like that, but when's the last time that happened?
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
yeah, i know
it’s the nature of the sport of basketball. last season’s Mavs was very unexpected, but yeah, you usually know who’s contending for the title when the season starts. Bleh.
I'd say not basketball in general. NBA basketball sure.
Even college basketball has more parity.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Umm were you expecting the Mavericks to win?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
I want the Warriors to win
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I want a team like San Antonio to win it
that would be a huge slap in the face to all the teams that are trying to create dynasties through trades
by jpees on Dec 8, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As awesome as that would be, in the end it’ll just leave a bad taste in my mouth. Duncan will retire within the next few years, probably immediately if he wins another ring, and it’d mark the end of an era when a single player can carry his team to a championship by himself (for the most part).
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll take them over the Lakers. All else considered, I’d rather see Durant or Rose hoist the trophy with their respective teams.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
source?
And i could understand this…now that CP3 not going to NY
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but how much more money?
the Knicks offer sounds so fricken high that I’m not interested in Chandler at that price…would the Dubs have to improve our offer to above the Knicks’??
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
That was so awesome...
I remember being in class and seeing my phone update and I fist pumped and yelled YES!
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
If you're right about the NBA coming back but not this J-Ridah...
I didn’t even want the NBA back, make your news better!
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
So...teams/players can re-negotiate contracts now, can decrease it to 40% less
So the super teams can get even stronger.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
David Lee will make us a super team!
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Is CP3 going to sign an extension?
Not sure if its already been said, but nothing on ESPN has said he’s going to sign long term
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:36 PM PST reply actions
ok
A small part of me is holding out hope that Paul will leave after a year and destroy the Lakers completely
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So when does the whole Jerry West/Mark Jackson lure start kicking in?
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They've got the lure
But playing with Kobe/Melo/Wade will win everytime with free agents
by warriorsandgiantsfan on Dec 8, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
and when is bob myers going to reach out to his former clients?
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
whenever BRoy gets amnestied
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do the lakers have
15 mil in a trade exception? i’m confused
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
either a huge trade exception or emeka okafor
for now it looks like we won’t find out the final details until 2 ET tomorrow when the league is officially back online
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if cp3 wants to be immortalized
he must destroy the lakers by leaving next year…. he wants to be remembered right?
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
That would be amazing if he did that
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
i would buy a CP3 jersey and he would be my fav player
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and when they ask him why he left
his response should be : “man, f*** the lakers”
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by Joshpreet on Dec 8, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
wow…i would…idk…LOL….that would be awesome.
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That would be funny
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hahaha, rec'd!!
would be soooo awesome
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
does anybody know anything about the laker trade exception talk thats buzzing around right now?
cuz this could start sucking a lot more
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
if NO sends jarrett jack as well than the lakers somehow get
a large trade exception
I’ve heard 8 mil. I’ve also heard 15 mil.
if okafor was sent, it would apparantly kill that prospect tho
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
HOLY CRAP
NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.
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by Evanz on Dec 8, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
wait what meow?
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
WHAT THE FUCK??????
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
As exciting as this may seem to you people
It will actually be very bad if David Stern caves to the pressure
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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he should be making these decisions
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See my problem with this is
Even though the NBA owns the Hornets, the team should be able to make its own decisions. If owners can stop the trade because they want to, what’s to stop them from stopping all trades for Chris Paul? What’s to stop them from screwing up the Hornets so there is one less team competing for the championship?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
That's like saying it's bad that Hitler caved to the pressure of the Allied forces and killed himself.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Dec 8, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great analogy
David Stern is Hitler and the owners are the Allied forces. Why did I not think of this earlier.
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by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
so is chandler officially a knick?
that leaves jordan gasol and nene right?
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ESPN CP3 trade latest: Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources
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Holy Crap!
NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.
BREAKING
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Ok.. weird that we both tagged it "Holy Crap"
by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
yeah thot that was a glitch
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
this is only plausible because the league still owns the Hornets as of now
by lameallenmark on Dec 8, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Stein: https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine/status/144957725217005570
It was not immediately clear, sources said, if three-way trade involving Hornets, Lakers and Rockets is merely snagged or in jeopardy
Woj:https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144958194781925376
Owners were irate in Board of Governors meeting with Stern, livid that the league-owned Hornets were allowed to make Paul deal, sources say.
by lameallenmark on Dec 8, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN making it sound like it's just delaying till tomorrow.
I’m not going to get excited until tomorrow.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
The NBA is now pushing New Orleans GM Dell Demps to pull the plug on the trade and keep Chris Paul, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
like a god damn soap opera..
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
on what grounds?
so retarded. It’s an absolutely fair deal to Hornets. If anything Rockets get screwed.
The grounds I guess are that the Hornets are owned by the league....
…. this is going to screw the Hornets even worse as they get nothing for Paul when he walk as a free agent.
by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
The hornets are shared by the 30 owners in the NBA. Most of them don’t want this trade to go through. If the shared ownership doesn’t want to do a deal, that GM is not allowed to do that deal.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Fair to give them expensive, old talent that would make them a mediocre team for years?
What about this trade seems fair to you?
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Kind of found the link
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba;_ylt=Ao8IV2tc6O4cO6xE9lh4ap45nYcB
One giant step in the right direction.
so i'm gonna say this was the chain of events
league owns the hornets
league talks of parity and promoting small market teams
league sends cp3 to lakers
rest of the owners call bullsh**
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by Joshpreet on Dec 8, 2011 6:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
ESPNSteinLine
One source close to the three-team Chris Paul trade talks just told http://ESPN.com: “The deal is off.”
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I don't know
but I can hope so
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we get any leverage from all this bs?
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I don't like this at all
I really, really don’t like how the NBA owners just did this.
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it's for the good of the league
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by Evanz on Dec 8, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well, it's more like it's for the bad of the Lakers
which I’m ok with.
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 8, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
At what cost?
Can the NBA just force the Hornets to trade CP3 to the team everyone wants because “it’s for the good of the league?” What about the Hornets? The team? This was a good deal for the Hornets.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
How so?
Even if they get ok value for their player, sending their superstar to a powerhouse kills the competitive balance of the league. Dwight was next.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
What's your point?
Are the Hornets supposed to respect competitive balance and not trade CP3 to the Lakers, even when they had the best trade package? What about the HORNETS? Are we supposed to block every trade of CP3 to a contender because that upsets “competitive balance?” How is that fair to the Hornets? Or do the owners want to force a LeBron thing again and make the Hornets keep CP3?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Why make a trade that pretty much eliminates 3/4 of the teams from title contention?
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Here’s the truth: at most, only six teams compete for the championship anyways.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Last year
Lakers, Bulls, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, Orlando, Thunder, Spurs. Not much more than 6, but it doesn’t mean it should be that way?
Also, when your talking about 6 contending teams I assume your talking about on a year to year basis. That’s fine as far as competitive balance. Let’s focus on longer time periods. I don’t want to see the same 5-6 teams winning the championship year in and year out.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Take out Orlando and the Spurs. And last time I checked, the Bulls dominated the 90’s (with some Rockets thrown into the mix) and yet nobody was complaining. Everyone loved MJ.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Yea, but were the Bulls successful through free agency?
Lakers have brought in top notch players to win. Shaq, Gasol, would have been CP3.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
I seem to remember them signing a lot of “ring-chasers.”
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I'm talking about all-star level talent.
They had a core of Jordan/Pippen/Rodman and kept it that way.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Uhhh
The Bulls didn’t draft Rodman.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Do you not see how the Lakers continually bring in top players in lopsided trades to win championships?
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
What?
They sucked after Magic… they sucked when they had Kobe after Shaq left because they couldn’t bring in top players. They don’t “continually” win championships. I don’t like how the media shoves them down our throats, though.
Also, let’s not forget that in the 1980s it was basically a two-team league: the Celtics and the Lakers. I’d like to say that the league is actually improving and getting more competitive from the 1980s.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I don’t want to see the same 5-6 teams winning the championship year in and year out.
Unfortunetely, that’s how the NBA has been since free agency. How many teams have won in the past 25 years? Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Pistons, Spurs, Heat, Mavs.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
A franchise player in his prime, for a pair of old, albeit good power forwards and a one-dimensional scorer also pushing 30, all three of whom are arguably overpaid and have long-term deals? Hardly fair for the Hornets. Acquiring Odom, Scola and Martin to play alongside CP3 is one thing as they’re all very nice supporting pieces to build a contender, but acquiring in exchange for him isn’t even close to being a fair deal for the Hornets.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
It was never going to be a fair deal. Trading away a superstar never is. But it was the best deal they could get.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
What about letting him walk in a year?
Then he can sign with a team that has cap space…not a team that’s blown past the luxury tax.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
And that would also cripple the team
They lose a superstar without getting anything back. How is this fair to the Hornets?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Isn't a route you take when your core breaks up? Blow up and rebuild?
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
That*
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think that if you superstar leaves
You want to get something back. And NO was getting draft picks out of this – they were looking to rebuild while getting some pieces to rebuild around.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Who were the rebuilding pieces?...
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Besides the picks
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by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Best deal my ass. The Hornets should have gotten young talent to build for the future, but the league opted to cap them out into mediocrity. Did they even inquire about sending CP3 to Miami for either Wade or LeBron? The Heat have long-term superstars locked up, and won’t even take a hit if they made the deal. Hornets would also get a superstar for long-term.
Same applies in an exchange with the Bulls. You think Chicago wouldn’t love to get CP3 in exchange for say, Rose and Boozer?
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Are you serious?
These trades would never happen
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It would never happen because they never asked. Miami needs a point guard and have two superstar wings. You think they wouldn’t at least think about it?
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Nope. Wade is already under contract, Rose is a restricted free agent. Paul has one year left and a long extension can only be signed after six months.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Wade or LeBron being under contract is IDEAL for the Hornets. They’re locked-in long term so they can’t go anywhere. Rose would also be ideal for the Hornets because they can match whatever people throw at him since he’s a restricted free agent. Either of those options are better than being capped out with a bunch of 30 year-olds.
As for Paul extending with the Heat, being paired with the remaining superstar wing (Wade or LeBron) and Bosh seems like reason enough to sign an extension with them. Chicago is well built as a team with or without Boozer, so he’s likely to stay there as well.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
I’m saying that the other teams would not make that trade. NO probably would, but not the other teams. The other teams know that they have all the leverage now, too, since they just killed this deal.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Why would the other teams not allow such a deal to go through? Parity is being kept for the most part. Unlike the trade that almost happened, superstars are being exchanged here.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Look, here's what I'm saying
They did not stop this trade because it wasn’t “fair.” They stopped this trade because they didn’t like it.
Also, teams have no incentive to trade anything of value to the Hornets now because they know they can harass Stern and block any deal they don’t like. They can force the Hornets to play the waiting game until they have to make a really, really bad trade.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
You’re going farther and farther from the original argument. You stated that the Hornets had a “good deal.” They didn’t. This isn’t about whether the league would permit the trade or not, this is about whether or not the Hornets truly explored their options for the best deal.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'll put my thoughts in bullet points so it's easier for you to understand
1.) This was a good deal for the Hornets. This was the best deal they could get.
2.) The owners stopped this trade because they did not like it.
3.) Trading Derrick Rose for Paul is a dumb move because Rose is cheaper.
4.) Trading Wade for Paul is a dumb move. Paul may be slightly better than Wade, but Wade has better chemistry with Lebron and Bosh now, plus Wade does not have the knee issue that CP3 has.
5.) The Hornets spent a lot of time gauging trade offers (look at how many rumors there were), so they did explore all their options.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
This was a good deal for the Hornets. This was the best deal they could get.
Disagree. For all the reasons I’ve already stated.
The owners stopped this trade because they did not like it.
Yeah they didn’t like it. The league gift-wrapped Paul to the Lakers and gave them an opportunity to get Dwight Howard as well after all this talk about parity. Why would they like it?
Trading Derrick Rose for Paul is a dumb move because Rose is cheaper
Include one of Deng, Boozer, and Noah and the salaries match up. Considering the Hornets just lost David West, Boozer would be a solid replacement if he can stay on the court.
Trading Wade for Paul is a dumb move. Paul may be slightly better than Wade, but Wade has better chemistry with Lebron and Bosh now, plus Wade does not have the knee issue that CP3 has.
Dumb move for the Heat? In what way? “Chemistry” is overrated and they already have the piece(s) to replace whichever wing they trade off. Battier or Miller can start and the Heat wouldn’t miss a beat. Paul is younger and has had less of an injury history than Wade, and provides much more balance to the team. Better shooter and arguably the best playmaker in the league at a position where Miami could definitely use an upgrade. And you think the Heat wouldn’t even consider it?
The Hornets spent a lot of time gauging trade offers (look at how many rumors there were), so they did explore all their options.
They obviously didn’t explore every last option if they didn’t even think about a superstar for superstar swap. The Heat and Bulls swaps I suggested would have at least given both teams pause.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Points 3,4 don’t touch on contract length.
Paul may be better than those players, but not several years worth of those players.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Both teams are built to “win now” and will get better with an elite point guard running things. Paul will likely outlast Wade and will always be a better playmaker than Rose even on one knee. If he takes care of his body, I don’t see how he can’t pull a Jason Kidd and remain effective even as he ages.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I’m making up these odds but would you rather have:
75% of 1 championship with Paul?
Or 40% of a championship each year for 5 years with Wade?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Considering the year-to-year odds of winning a championship varies, I’ll take 75% chance at one championship with Paul if you’re in a viable “win-now” situation. Chances are CP3 will outlast Wade anyway since he’s younger than even LeBron, so long term the trade would probably still favor Miami.
by WYK on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
this was a shitty deal for the hornets
turns a playoff team into a mediocre team, good enough to compete for a .500 season, not bad enough to get a high draft pick. no playoffs.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 8, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Once again
It was always going to a shitty deal. When you are trading away the best point guard in the league, it is always going to a shitty deal. But this was the best deal out of all the shitty deals, okay?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I usually agree with your arguments but I very strongly disagree with this one. The hornets did not rebuild, they spent one of the greatest assets in the league for three decent, somewhat expensive players so they could try to sneak into the playoffs the next few years ala us and the rockets of the past few years.
If they had kept Lamar and Pau, then yes, they would have made off like bandits.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
My main point
was that this was a ridiculous power play by the owners of other teams not for the sake of competitive balance, but for their own teams.
Any time you trade away a superstar, it’s a bad deal. Even if they kept Lamar and Pau they would have lost. Paul is better than Lamar and Pau.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
I think we can both agree that NO needs an owner. As of now though, an owner should be able to veto a trade that his GM makes.
Secondly, IMO, if I’m NO I’d rather have Lamar and Pau locked up than a CP3 guaranteed to leave after a year.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
I don't either
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This is the main issue. If an owner doesn’t want a trade to go through, it shouldn’t. That said, New Orleans needs a real owner. It’s unfair to Hornets fans that Chris Paul has no chance of staying and that they may not be able to get some good pieces in return.
If some small-market team like us or LAC dealed for CP3, I don’t think it gets vetoed.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
why.
the whole nba lockout was about this issue in a way. And the league just went and messed up the whole thing. If i was the owners, i would be extremely mad. If it was a private owner, then i wouldnt be mad, but its the damn NBA. They say they want competitivity for all teams, but making that deal would completely falsify their stance; thus making other teams and their fans extremely angry at the NBA, losing even more money.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
This is not about competitive balance
This is about the power of the owners
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do we know the specifics? like how many owners opposed it?
because if it was every owner (except the 3 involved in the trade), I would say this is justified
i heard it a majority, but its only rumor.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
im sure the warriors were pretty passionate i would assume.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
how is this the power of the owners, when they have stakes into the investment called the nba.
essentially the deals that the NBA make effects the other teams. AND because its the NBA and not a owner, its a collective team and board that approves, but essentially Stern makes the last call. it is no different that a whole bunch of owners yelling at mark cuban to stop making a deal for chandler or something. But instead, its the NBA, who oversees all operation. Owners are upset that the NBA is changing its stance on competitive balance and making a super team, WHICH they do not want since it will push smaller market teams to the brink of disaster.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
No
Owners don’t want this trade to go through because they don’t care about the New Orleans Hornets. They don’t want CP3 going to a contender because that limits their chances of winning the championship.
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well and that of course. yes.
Why would owners care about a nonfunctioning team? Either way, we should be happy the FAKERS don’t get a star like CP3
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
The Warriors fan in me is doing an evil laugh.
by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
i know way too many Lakers fans who have laughed at the Warriors
so I feel fine laughing in this case
i know right? all my laker friends on facebook all liking and changing their facebook status's and pics.
now all have sad faces :)
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Exactly.
Especially Lakers fans in the Bay, rooting against their own hometown Warriors.
i grew up dealing with those type of Lakers fans constantly talking shit about the Warriors, which led to me disliking LAL so much. Lol. If it wasn’t for the annoying Lakers fans I’d probably find myself supporting their team at times.
by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Cockblocked by the NBA owners. Lol.
by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 6:06 PM PST reply actions
good thing the trade may be off.
if it went through, i can probably think the whole league would protest it..saying it would be a monopoly held by the NBA
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
game over
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
by aleatoric on Dec 8, 2011 6:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
deal officially killed
The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
Thanks god
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
It's like they put a gun to Stern's head telling him to kill the deal.
by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 6:10 PM PST reply actions
with a corny action movie line
kill the deal or we kill YOU
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
How the other 28 NBA Owners look right now:
by lameallenmark on Dec 8, 2011 6:11 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Well...this is how I want their faces to look like now
One giant step in the right direction.
by LighTz707OuT on Dec 8, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Woj
The NBA has caved to pressure from owners that the appearance of this deal, on heels of lockout, had to be stopped, sources tell Y! Sports.
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dead dead dead
so how bout them warriors? eh cp3?
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=D
I feel like there is some justice in the NBA now. At least for awhile.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM PST reply actions
>1000 comments
and it’s not even training camp yet
awesome
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What a turn of events, better than "Days of our Lives"
That dimm Stern tried to pull a fast one and got caught ;)))
this nba offseason and upcoming season
will probably be one the best in a long time. i can feel it. lol except if we suck again :*(
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
I doubt the Lakers get Dwight soon
I don’t remember reading anywhere that the Magic were trying to trade Dwight before the season starts
Magic GM Otis Smith is really stubborn about not trading Howard
but if they want good pieces back, they should trade sometime this season
by lameallenmark on Dec 8, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Two sources confirm reports that CP3 to Lakers three team deal has been put on ice, perhaps permanently. Source: “Chris is really upset.”
Lol
gonna be so awkward for Hornets @ training camp
While you sit here typing some witty response, Bruce Bochy, world champion, is smiling from above.
by Sensei Ben on Dec 8, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Same for Odin nd gasol
I bet they were packing already
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ahahhahahhha WTF
All this rumor and trade talks sound like it came out from a south park episode lmao
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 6:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I feel very sorry for Chris Paul
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He’ll cheer up fast when they tell him to pack his bags for Oakland.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
+3
…CP3
@Logan Couture: Heard Charlie Sheen had an interview I missed tonight, damn! He might be the only person in the world thats #winning more than us right now.
Finally some good news
I’m not really sure if this makes the Lakers better or worse, but it’s very funny and enjoyable to see them not get their way for once.
This trade would make the Lakers worse right now, BUT it allows them to get Howard or another big piece.
They unloaded two expensive old guys. The main problem was the Hornets got completely screwed because they took in 3 years of like 30 million in average players.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
I tend to agree
I also agree with the quote that a lot of it was based on the negative appearance of the the deal after the lockout. The perception was not good.
this does theoretically give the lakers the best shot in the nba for howard...
unless danny ainge realizes the trade chips he currently has….
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
fine with me
He and kobe would get in fights, would be funny
so was this
because Houston got completely screwed in the deal by the Lakers?
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
they weren't exactly screwed
they were in the midst of throwing top dollar at nene
nene and gasol? scary
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
so it was cuz 3 bigger market teams were about to get scary lol?
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
it was because all the nba owners own an equal stake of the hornets
and so much of the lockout was surrounding the promotion of small market teams and ways to prevent team stacking. and then stern, who was so against stacking during the lockout, okays a move that basically paved the way for LA to land both paul and howard.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
If Paul still wants to go to the Lakers or New York when he becomes a free agent, by all means do so. What I didn’t like was the league bending over backwards to give the Lakers what they wanted and pulling a 180 on their “parity” stance that started the lockout in the first place.
It'll be interesting. If the cap stays at about where it is ...
The lakers will have enough to make a near-max offer to Paul if they drop their team options on Odom and Bynum. That’ll give them $16-17m to throw at Paul.
If the Hornets are owned by the league
then I want a vote. I want 15 NBA owners to step up and say, “I do not want this trade.”
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
they did
i’m not sure, but i think all the owners have some stake in the hornets
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
it's owned by all the owners, I think
but I believe David Stern has final say
right but co-ownership implies
that a majority rules.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
But did 15 step up and say that?
I want an official vote
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
Why the hell are you so angry about this?
Or are you one of those Warrior “fans” that doubles as a Laker fan?
How does feeling sorry for Paul and pissed that the league (supposedly) screwed the Hornets over make him a Lakers fan?
Please don't start
CP3 and the Hornets got murdered by Stern. Do I want CP3 on the Lakers? No. But do I think the Hornets have the right to operate without the NBA bothering them? Yes.
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
So if the NBA owned the Warriors
would you like it if other owners could block any move the front office made?
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
As a fan I wouldn't. However, considering that I don't own the team it wouldn't matter would it?
But facts remain facts. The NBA owns the Hornets. That’s all there is to it. No hypotheticals.
I'm actually a little upset that this trade not c*blocked
Why? Because the Lakers lost their front court size and depth that gave them their last 2 championships and a trip to 3 out of the last 4 NBA Finals.
Seriously, who would’ve been starting PF? Ratliff? Barnes?
they still would have had bynum
and okafor was on the brink of leaving with paul
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
is that a retarded Drake?
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 9, 2011 2:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is even better for the Lakers
It will piss CP3 off and he’ll just walk away next year and sign with the Lakers
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
How? Do they have money?
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Err, cap room
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
They'll move some of their players for cap flexibility
"I'm not a big vegetable guy'' he says. -Tim Lincecum
Possibly...easy said than done.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 8, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
now no one wants cp3 anymore though
He is probably pissed.
until the nba owners say no
i guess he is lol
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
owners have no say over what happens in new york
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
i assumed NY went after Chandler in hopes of trading for Paul
when he was traded to the Lakers, I read somewhere in here that NY was backing away from their offer
i dont think i believe that
because with or without paul, chandler makes NY that much filthier
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
can someone more talented than I make a Chris Paul gif for this occasion?
@Logan Couture: Heard Charlie Sheen had an interview I missed tonight, damn! He might be the only person in the world thats #winning more than us right now.
I have a feeling this deal will eventually go through
I don’t like the fact the Lakers go their way, but if they allowed the Gasol for Kwame trade, then they have to allow this one.
They are lying to you
The owners are just jealous. It’s not about the balance of power.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
me too. im glad they have balance of power.
if it didnt, then im sure lots of fans will be friggin pissed. like i was when i heard the FAkers were going to get ANOTHER superstar.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
What if the Magic tries to trade Howard to the Lakers?
Are the owners going to try and block that too? This block is all for show and isn’t going to change anything in the long run. At the end of the day the Lakers are still going to get their superstars…unfortunately.
well the league i guess can stop it, but im pretty sure they wont
because the league doesnt OWN orlando magic.
THE LEAGUE OWNS NOH so technically they dont like the deal.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
yes it is.....
its about not creating monopolies throughout the league
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
If that were true
Then read the CBA. If the owners really wanted balance of power they should have continued with the lockout.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
O.o?
iono why you guys are so happy this trade would have made the lakers worse..
by bballinpacisler on Dec 8, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Not if they got Dwight right after
And it was the first time since ever that LA didn’t get their way
RIP Al Davis
lol..
now they are gonna get dwight.. and then sign any pass first point guard and they are set. if it happened they would have nothing to trade for dwight.. bynum and metta? pshh yeah right. this helped the lakers.
by bballinpacisler on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
so odom and gasol get to walk into camp tomorrow
and be like WTF MAN
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
by Joshpreet on Dec 8, 2011 7:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
No kidding...
Can you imagine Chloe Kardashian in Ne Orleans?
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
There are a ton of players who are really upset at their teams right now.
Gasol. Odom. Rondo. Scola. Martin.
Billups
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
SO STUPID.
The league stopped the trade since small market teams are complaining that they are losing business their superstars demand trades. But in this trade new orleans is getting the best out of this trade.. odom, dragic, kevin martin, scola and possibly a first rounder for paul.. who has said hes leaving new orleans after this season.. if anything they screwed new orleans.. now they are gonna have cp3 for 66 games then he’ll leave.
so what ur saying is
someone needs to buy the damn hornets haha
larry ellison perhaps?
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
If he buys the Hornets he'll probably end up trying to move them to SJ.
by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Good for CP3
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Our own @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter: Chris Paul fuming and exploring legal options w/NBPA director Billy Hunter to fight blocked deal
I’d like to see him refuse to play. If the NBA wants to screw him, then he should be able to screw the NBA
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 7:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t CP3 have an obligation to himself, too? It’s not all about the fans, you know.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
It really should be though, we pay the owners who pay them. If businesses follow “The customer is always right”, it’d be nice if the NBA did.
He signed a contract. If he doesn’t like playing for one year with the team before he’s free to play with a different team, he can retire and find something else to do.
Apart from that, I don’t care that Chris Paul is unhappy with the clubs in the New Orleans and the team he plays for. He gets paid millions to play a game for our entertainment. I just want to watch him play well.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
actually, owners pay the players
If not enough fans show up, players still gotta get payed.
LOL @ Silver Screen and Roll…
Welcome To The Next Stage Of Laker History
Dec 8, 2011 8:07 PM EST
He needs no introduction. We all watched him torment the Lake Show in the first round of last year’s playoffs. He’s one of the best point guards of all time and a top-five player who’s still only 26 years old. Oh, honey.
Not two hours later…
Craven Owners Kill CP3 Deal, Expose David Stern As Flaccid, Powerless Monkey
Dec 8, 2011 9:39 PM EST
Bwahahaha. Even if you objectively think the death of this deal is totally shady, as a Laker hater, you gotta drink it up.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2011 7:17 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
They've had so much go their way for the entire history of the NBA that I feel no remorse for them getting screwed for once.
They should be the last team in the NBA to complain.
by notEdreese on Dec 8, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Finally those spoiled ass Lakers get a taste of something negative for once.
Jeez. They were already starting to suck in 2007, the Warriors even made it further than them in the Playoffs, then they get handed Pau Gasol to make them relevant again. It would have sucked to see them get CP3.
by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Not any more spoiled than any other team who spends money.
Do you hate the Knicks? The Celtics? The Bulls? The Mavericks?
I bet not. You just hate them because they’ve had better management than those teams have had the last 15 years.
BTW – Lakers had the best record in the West before acquiring Gasol…
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
That blog got what it deserved!
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Paul to the Lakers would have been really tought -
- he’s one of my favorite players ever, and they’re my least-favorite team by a mile.
because they are the Lakers
It’s like a gigantic weight lifter getting punched in the nuts during a heavy lift
I just can’t help but enjoy your pain
on the bright side, you guys will get over it, and figure out a better deal anyways
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, it didn't work
It was supposed to a gif caption if them saying "Hey, remember those 3 hours, back when the Lakers had Chris Paul & thought they were going to trade Bynum for Dwight Howard??"
RIP Al Davis
What people dont understand is that the League OWNS the Hornets
They are the owners so technically if the “owner” doesnt like the deal, he’ll stop it. Its not like the league are stopping a howard for bynum trade.
curry & iggy TEAM USA buddies.
Good lord that should not be on my screen
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose the main lesson is that
the NBA should not own any of its teams. If the NBA did not own the Hornets then this would not have occurred. This is what David Stern gets for buying the team instead of letting Larry Ellison buy it.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 8, 2011 7:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Players have WAY too much power in the league right now.
This was a good move by Stern. If you’re payed by an employer millions of dollars to do your job, then DO YOUR JOB. Whether or not there are enough nightclubs in the area to satisfy you, you signed a contract, you have a legal obligation to finish it.
To quote a great man
“Sit out? No, you should just show up to job you hate everyday and do a crappy job. That’s the American Way!”
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Wow so apparently you hate the Lakers
but like the Celtics?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
You're Welcome
One giant step in the right direction.
by LighTz707OuT on Dec 8, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
If I see BasedGod anywhere on SB Nation, its auto-rec
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- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
by ayeyoJERM on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Found this at the lakers sb nation lol
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 7:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Screw David Stern and screw then Lakers!
CP3 needs to take his medicine like a man and wait until he’s a FA and just honor his damned contract. I’m tired of these little whiny bitches sniveling “but I want to play for the Lakers/Knicks/etc…!”
Shut the hell up, be professional, collect your ridiculously large check, and act like a man!
go Dubs!
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
by mrod on Dec 8, 2011 7:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
But, do teams have an recourse to not pay a player who tanks after not getting traded? Face it, CP3 could play like Starbury this season and it wouldn’t affect his free agent value at all. It doesn’t leave teams much choice but to comply with player demands.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 8, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
That's why the NBA should take a page from the NFL and remove a lot of the guaranteed money from contracts.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
The MLB doesn’t seem to have this problem because there’s no max salary, if a player sleepwalks through the rest of his contract, he would lose a lot of money.
The NFL has non-guaranteed contracts, it’s pretty owner friendly in such a potentially dangerous job.
I’d be cool if the NBA upgraded to either of the systems, but it’s obviously not happening at this point.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ok goodnight everyone
I won’t be arguing anymore. Hope I didn’t piss any of you off too much! :D
Go Dubs!
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
RAGE!
Unless you’re from the east coast, you sleep very early haha
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 8, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
exactly...
but no bitching for crying out loud!
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
Most Lakers fans haven't even heard the news yet.
They’re all so blase it doesn’t even matter.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
+1
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.
by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT
Big Baby Jesus 2012
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Just a thought on Tyson Chander
Why would Chandler really want go to the Knicks without a PG since they have to release Billups to make it happen? They would have Toney Douglas at the point and Landry Fields at SG. (ew!)
I think he’s saying he’s 98% going to the Knicks for one of two reasons (or both)
1) Knicks Brass saying they’ll get CP3. (This makes perfect sense if true)
2) He knows W’s REALLY want him and he’s pumping up the bid
As far as 1) goes The only way CP3 can get to the knicks is if they trade Amare to Hornets. a) Hornets probably don’t want that deal and b) As we just found out, NBA won’t allow “Super Teams” so I don’t think this goes down.
Re: 2) since he can’t sign until tomorrow, why wouldn’t his agent try to get as much as possible.
So am I dreaming???
Toney Douglas seems like he had potential last year
I’m pretty sure he can start for the knicks by midway next season if not then i still believe he’s a capable starter down the line for them.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Iman Shumpert?
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He'll get a shot but...
There’s no leader on that team….They will devolve into Melo walking up the ball and shooting the ball!
by Rabid Squirrel on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's my point
Knicks will not be a good team after trading Chandler for Billups essentially and only a mini MLE to get a PG. Why would Chandler want that for less money than the Warriors are offering with a fairly complete lineup.
by Rabid Squirrel on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, didnt read the post before you
but honestly, now that i’m thinking about the knicks, they should seriously consider signing stuckey. he would work well with their system, as well as provide some size and defense to their guard situation
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
sounds like the Knicks were trying to do some sort of Amare for CP3 deal
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
also wouldnt be surprised if they're talking to stuckey
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
Can I just say, this thread is getting WAY too cluttered? How about a new rumor thread, so it doesn’t take 5 minutes to download.
I'm the soul brotha' like no other!
We'll start one up tomorrow
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Music To my ears.
This sounds
Like a mess coming to the lakers locker room.
by macdreboi on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
they are getting either Paul or Howard
count on that. 2 of Gasol/Bynum/Odom are as good as gone.
I would love to be a fly on the wall at the Lakers training camp tomorrow
That’s a big F’n elephant in the room
laker nation just reported that
paul isn’t even showing up to camp tomorrow
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
he doesn't have to
he’s planning on protesting. he’s searching (with Billy Hunter) how he could take legal action against the league.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
What a mess
Odom is going to be worthless for the Lakers this season if he ends up staying.
keep our fingers crossed and trade for nada
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 10, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Chris Paul :
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Dan Gilbert wrote this letter to Stern about the deal before it was shut down
Commissioner,
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811
RIP Al Davis
by dubzfan on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
was it in Comic Sans again?
Gilbert is a joke
don't hate the messenger
he may be a joke but he’s exactly right
Wait what?? Exactly right???
He basically argued that the Lakers would be spending less money after this deal. Wasn’t one of the main purposes of the lockout to keep teams from spending so much money? The Lakers would actually have a payroll similar to most other teams and Dan Gilbert is complaining because it means less of their taxed money goes to his pocket How is he exactly right?
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
how is he right?
because he helped screw the Lakers.
You cannot do that and be wrong. It’s just not possible…because, science
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
thats idiotic.
even if thats meant as somewhat humorous.
he’s clearly in the wrong, regardless of your opinion of the Lakers
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
and, does he really write emails in red font?
Is Dan Gilbert 12 years old?
by Lacob's Ladder on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I never thought I'd ever thank Gilbert for anything
Bought someone buy this man a beer.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I never thought I'd ever thank Gilbert for anything
Bought someone buy this man a beer.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
Dan Gilbert is one bitter dude, but at least he is using his bitterness in a positive way.
Howard asking to be traded to the Nets
Nets would trade Brook Lopez and 2 first rounders and take on Hedo’s contract…
seems like a great deal for Orlando…
Now that Dwight has chosen Dwill, CP3 may want to choose to come with Chandler to golden state…
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
If true...
That unprecedented move to trade for Deron Williams with no guarantee of an extension sure paid off. Frankly, I’m kind of surprised Dwight wants to go there.
why?
Billionair crazy russian owner, jay-z, brooklyn new york, 2nd best PG in the league
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Because I believe he said just last week that he didn’t want to go there. I thought he would try to force his way to LA or NY.
But on the bright side, does this make Nene a possibility for GS? Who else is going for him at this point? Houston? Indiana?
am i the only one missing the bright side in that statement?
@Logan Couture: Heard Charlie Sheen had an interview I missed tonight, damn! He might be the only person in the world thats #winning more than us right now.
by Brittjames11 on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Lopez sucks though.
Ron Paul 2012
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight wants to go to the Nets....
his reps have let them know. Plans to notify Orlando within next few days….
stern and nba kills the laker deal of paul!
how does gasol and odom feel? what about scuola of the rockets? hahahaha! luv it
by sports with steve on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 PM PST reply actions
God I hope Howard goes to the Nets and the Lakers end up with nothing.
by belilaugh on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
absolutely fantastic...
I’m in complete favor of this.
"I'll have to look at the tape" - mike singletary
Warriors should
find out if Chandler would come to GS if Paul comes here. He seemed to fall for NY right when the W’s backed away from Curry for Paul. If so, and if Howard is going to the Nets, it might be worth offering Curry + for Paul without extension. Amnesty Biedrins and get Chandler. Take the chance Paul resigns. He won’t be taking his free agency to a team with a better big man the following year.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
absolutely not
Paul is acting like a stubborn child and throwing a fit that he doesn’t have the power to choose where he wants to play. It’s absurd that some players out there think that while still under contract with one team, they’re allowed to just up and leave at whatever time works best for them and go where’d they like. This is why we have free agency….
And Chandler? His agent used us as leverage, which is a brilliant management move on his part, but a somewhat large slap in the face for us.
I’m done with both of these guys. I’d be disgusted to have a guy like Paul, who honestly believes he has more power than the team that own his contract rights, to be in a dubs uni.
There’s no easy way Paul and Dwight can team up at this point, so let them go there seperate ways
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 9, 2011 6:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm confused why people are outraged over this...
A team owner should be allowed to dictate where they TRADE a player to, even if it is just for strategic reasons. The whole NBA owns the team, so they should be allowed to dictate the trade. Seems fair to me, just a weird situation.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
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people are mad
because Stern had very explicitly stated that the Hornets management team would be authorized to operate without any league meddling
but most people are happy, because the lakers got screwed
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Why the Paul trade got nixed...
It had nothing to do with the trade being fair or not, and everything to do with the distribution of star power.
Gasol, Odom, Martin and Scola.
All great players, but none of them has the star power to generate revenue at the gate.
Chris Paul is a legitimate star in this league. Kobe Bryant is a legitimate star in this league. Chris Paul and a handful of scrubs to the Lakers for Kobe Bryant would be a fair trade when you interpret the nature of this transaction through the lens of star power distribution.
I understand why some people are outraged, but I’m siding with David Stern on this. The league needs to find a way to distribute star power more evenly so that the smaller market teams have a chance to make some money.
To me, NBA players are the least likable players in all of pro sports. Why?
-Lebron James
-Kobe Bryant
-Carmelo Anthony
-Chris Paul
-Amare Stoudemire
All these a-holes are narcissistic douchebags with more love for themselves than the game, their fans, or their team.
Where are the Chris Mullins of the world?
I miss J.Rich, Matt Barnes, guys like that.
This generation of players in the NBA is just the absolute worst.
by bernardking on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I understand why some people are outraged, but I’m siding with David Stern on this. The league needs to find a way to distribute star power more evenly so that the smaller market teams have a chance to make some money.
Hard salary cap.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
LOL- now you guys are able to empathize with the owners.
All it took was the Lakers big-timing us and trying to get Chris Paul.
the only owners I empathize with are
Leslie Alexander
and the Buss family
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
and why is that?
Buss nearly got away with murder.
Gilbert was right… I don’t think he should have done it alone, but how did the facts of this trade not sound so incredibly lopsided in favor of the lakers?
I’m happy that the owners banded together on this one. It’s preventing major monopolies around the league for years to come.
Players having enough power to choose where they want to play outside of free agency is absurd. Players should have zero ways of pigeon-holing franchises into not being able to explore all possible options for trades… That’s something that i thought they all understood when they agreed to be a part of the National Basketball Association
Bravo to Gilbert and the owners.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 9, 2011 6:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
because they made a deal that everyone agreed upon
but had it taken away because the owners who WEREN’T involved didn’t like what was happening. it was a good trade for all sides. NO couldn’t have done any better. Demps was being applauded for his haul. The Rockets were happy as well.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
owners who weren't involved?
You realize they all own the team, right?
not to the extent of which they used that power.
they set precedent earlier, that the GM and appointed president would be in charge. that the league would allow them to perform business as usual. the other owners agreed to that. what they did was NOT business as usual.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
what folks dont understand that basketball isnt about winning
it’s about running a successful business. The NBA as a whole runs an unorthodox microeconomic model – simply put, MONOPOLIES WONT WORK. the whole point of the CBA was to prevent large market teams become monopolies within the league by stacking. competitive balance is key in order to generate proper revenue.
the more stacking = the more smaller market teams slip into obscurity and potentially slide in the direction NO did – bankrupt.
the disparity of talent eliminates the need to care about small market teams. of course the owners were going to shoot it down.
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Dec 10, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
if that was the case
why was Dan Gilbert’s biggest concern that he wouldn’t be receiving as much luxury tax money from the Lakers?
It’s not about competitive balance. As long as they all end up making a profit, these owners don’t really care. It’s why you see even financially successful team not spending on FAs. And in the NBA, monopolies do work. It’s why you see the same teams win most of the championships. The league is MOST successful when the large markets have the best teams, now that there’s greater penalties for being in the luxury tax, and greater revenue sharing, all the small market teams will see the benefit of that as well.
What Gilbert is asking for is a handout. For the Lakers to spend, but not spend wisely, as this would have done. Spend so that he can take their revenue sharing money and their luxury tax money, but so the Lakers won’t actually go anywhere.
I plenty understand that it’s about the business for most of these guys. But when you’ve got a large market spender and a small market whiner both complaining about how unfair it is that the Lakers got Chris Paul, you’ve got realize that the advantage their whining about will NEVER GO AWAY. So instead, let’s just force the Hornets to keep Paul, then lose him at the end of the season. It’s not like their attendance numbers are even that great with him and as a playoff team. Remember when he almost won the MVP? It still wasn’t that great.
Sounds much more of case where that team needs to disappear or be moved because the fan base can’t support it. It really may not be the fanbase’s fault because they’re still somewhat crippled by hurricane Katrina, but it’s not going to be successful there, even with Paul. So instead, lets give them nothing to work with. Yeah, that’s fair Dan Gilbert.
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Narcissistic douchebags?
You have no idea what they value most.
Get off your high horse.
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Uh, it’s not called the Narcissistic Basketball Association for nothing
wake up and smell the coffee
It's Narcissistic.
They changed it as part of the new CBA.
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by WarriorForLife on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
cp3 is playing for a team with no owner that is headed nowhere and draws no fans he has every right to want out, David stern should have thought about putting in some restraints during his lockout if he wanted to distribute star power more. Chris has every right to play in the city of his choosing, and if the system allows him to leverage himself there earlier he should most certainly do it.
by haroldandsivakumar on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know why but your list of “reasons” being a substance-less list of players killed me.
And LOL at Matt Barnes being one of the “good guys”. Not that I think he isn’t, but if we are just going by surface-level snap judgments of players (and we seem to be) it’s funny that he’s your number three.
The real problem here
is that the league didn’t nix it from the beginning. If they didn’t want this to happen, why even let Boston or LA in the conversation? Now you’re screwing the NO GM, who made off like a bandit, the whole Rockets organization, and the whole Lakers organization.
Both teams now have to deal with players who feel unwanted, and it will certainly hurt team chemistry. What are the 3 teams to do now? Must the Lakers now make a BAD trade just take Gasol and Odom off roster because they’re unhappy? Or Scola and Martin and Dragic?
Such an embarrassing way to handle the whole situation.
I think its funny though, that I’m seeing a lot of fans here being happy with the outcome. I can understand happiness that we’re now still in talks for Paul, but sadly that’s not why most of you’re happy. You’re happy because the Lakers got screwed. Also embarassing.
#SMH in all kinds of directions
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I'm happy the Lakers got screwed
for the first time in the history of their franchise. I think it is funny and I don’t make any apologies for it. The only guys I feel slightly bad for are Lamar and Pau. I don’t remember any Lakers fans being sympathetic when the Kings were screwed back in 2002.
by Pippen on Dec 9, 2011 1:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the two are incomparable.
pretending they are the same is lunacy.
these 3 teams made a deal that they all agreed upon. the league had been consulted with throughout. then they had it yanked away by the 27 other owners in the league.
pretty sure, even if there was some questionable calls in the 2002 series , that it wasn’t something done by the other owners because they were jealous of the Kings success.
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I agree that the NBA shouldn’t have nixed the deal. It seemed like it was fairly even. That being said I do think it is funny that the Lakers aren’t getting their way for the first time in memory. The Lakers have been coddled by the NBA for decades.
You’re happy because the Lakers got screwed. Also embarassing.
Why is it embarrassing for a Warriors fan being happy about the Lakers being screwed? I think it is funny and I shouldn’t have to be embarrassed to admit that on a Warriors site.
the two are incomparable. pretending they are the same is lunacy.
They are 2 very different events, but the bottom line is both teams were screwed, although the screwing the Kings took was far worse. The fact is Lakers fans had little sympathy for Kings fans, which is why I find it hard to muster any sympathy for the Lakers. I admit I don’t like the Lakers and wish them nothing but the worst.
Yes, the whole episode has been a gigantic mess, but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it.. The NBA is turning into a colossal joke and this is just the latest example.
I think it’s embarrassing for any fan to be happy of any team being screwed. Even in a rivalry situation, shouldn’t be rooting for that. I highly doubt any Laker fan would enjoy the idea that the Kings were screwed (if that’s the position they take), but rather just be happy that they moved on.
In this case, like I said: I could understand if people were happy we were still in the race for Paul, but to applaud and jeer at the Lakers’ misfortune? That is embarrassing.
And before you point to any attitude that you may have received over the years from Laker fans who you’ve brought up the Kings’ series and how that shows they are doing the same thing, remember that they (for the most part) don’t think the Kings were screwed, and don’t buy into the conspiracy theory of rigged games. Fans here (for the most part), however, agree that this was completely wrong of the league, but still are ecstatic because it negatively affected the Lakers.
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yeah, this is a huge mess
don’t get me wrong, I hate the Lakers as much as the next Warrior fan, but killing the trade just hurt everyone involved, it was handled terribly. I wouldn’t laugh at the Lakers for this, that would make me no better than Lakers fans themselves.
I thought the same thing
If that offer wasn’t good enough, why even let LA try and negotiate the trade in the first place?
The real problem here is that the Hornets do not have a majority owner. They have 29 equal share owners.
I thought the trade was poor anyways.
So….how does getting older and more expensive with decent players but no real stars and getting a late 1st round pick from a playoff team make the Hornets more attractive for someone to want to buy the Hornets? Especially when they have trouble pulling in ticket sales as is?
Then the Hornets make a conference opponent (who knocked them out of the playoffs last year) and a division opponent better while losing their bonafide superstar?
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by Badly Browned on Dec 9, 2011 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
How is not having Chris Paul or any good players going to make people want to buy the Hornets?
Better off with some playoff talent than with nothing at all.
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Considering that this is a Warriors blog and the Warriors have to play the Lakers a number of times over the course of the season, I’d say it’s pretty ok to be pleased that the Lakers got screwed.
by ohcleverhansyou on Dec 9, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Happy they got screwed is different than happy they didn't get better.
This whole enjoyment that they were on the bad end of some BS crosses the line as a fan to me.
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I’m all for the Lakers getting screwed and feel great about it ; )
by bernardking on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Chris Broussard just tweeted
“Sources say Brandon Roy to announce medical retirement due to degenerative knees, possibly as soon as today”
As I typed this Chad Ford just RT this and said he is hearing the same.
John Hollinger
Medical retirement means Brandon Roy’s $$ would come off cap and cap one year from now. Explaining why Blazers didn’t amnesty him.
Wow that is huge for Blazers cap situation.
Chris Paul
I keep hearing the main reason the trade got nixed is because of the star power. Chris Paul makes the franchise more valuable, and more appealing to a potential buyer. The leagues owners want that team to have as much value as possible for a sale. Sounds like Chris Paul can’t go anywhere until atleast a new owner buys that team.
that doesn't make sense
every potential owner knows that Paul is leaving NOH – I don’t think any new owner could convince him to stay
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Its not about that
I don’t think any new owner could convince him to stay either. But the owners are saying that a team with a star in Chris Paul sells more tickets, worth more as a whole then a team with Odom, Scola, and the team will be worth more to sell with Chris Paul on it. The owners since they have a stake in the team don’t want Paul gone. If a new owner comes in and owns the Hornets and moves Paul and depreciates the value of the team the rest of the owners don’t really care because they are not apart of it any more.
they'll sell more tix for 66 games?
how is that worth it to a new owner who knows he’s going to leave after a year?
They could have traded him for Rondo – an actual star who would’ve put fans in the seats. Scola, Martin, and Odom would not do that.
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Thats where the whole conflict of interest is
NBA owns the team.
NBA told Demps he could run the team as the GM he sees fit
Demps makes a deal for talent wise for someone who is going to leave anyways is not a bad deal from a team perspective
NBA jumps in and vetoes the deal. Stating for basketball reasons. Doesn’t say how the teams can improve the deal to make to work.
I don’t see how the NBA will allow Paul to be traded now before someone else buys the team. It just a big mess right now.
Demps makes a deal for talent wise for someone who is going to leave anyways is not a bad deal from a team perspective
I would argue it wasn’t the best deal presented to the GM, basketball reasons right there. Ironically, by nixing it they probably killed any potential trade now anyways.
However, the ramifications of this could be huge. Too bad we just signed and ratified a CBA, I want to see a hard salary cap come outta this. Superstars want to play together? Call their bluff, see em take less money to go to those teams.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 9, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Charlie Bell arrested again
Hahaha. He showed up drunk to his drunk driving hearing in court.
http://www.abc12.com/story/16222895/charlie-bell-held-after-showing-up-drunk-to-drunk-driving-case
Was just about to post this
So does that mean we have waive him yet?
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by Badly Browned on Dec 9, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
errr
I suppose the word I meant to use was “void” not ’waive"
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by Badly Browned on Dec 9, 2011 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
damn, what a loser
alcoholism is a serious problem.
If you can’t stay sober for a few hours in order to go to court, it’s time to step back and seriously re-evaluate yourself
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Well not yet
Nobody can do anything until all the paper work is signed. Which should be within an hour or so. I wonder how fast until we do waive him. Specially after this.
As owners of New Orleans, other owners had EVERY RIGHT to kill the deal for ANY reason.
people need to stop freaking out about this hurting the NBA’s credibility…this team is not a normally owned team by one owner…
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They shouldn't own the team in the first place then
Conflict of interest from the beginning.
Contract that team.
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by jpgarfunkle on Dec 9, 2011 8:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions
sounds about right
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, just posted this in the other thread
my initial reaction: meh
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
if the problem with the Paul deal was...
Lakers were not taking back any bad contracts AND not sending out any picks…
The warriors should suggest the original deal that was denied by Stern with Biedrins going to the Lakers and Steve Blake coming back to the Warriors… The reason being is…the Lakers won’t get their huge trade exception, they pick up an unfavorable contract. with Paul on board, they would have Fisher and Blake. So we take back Blake to fill in the back up PG role, saves us $5 million dollars. Then we could save the amnesty for Charlie Bell…or other contract if desired. It should create a trade exception as well.
That should solve the problem of the Lakers saving $40 million and being in such a great spot to land Howard. It helps us out too.
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