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Works for me....

…. Oracle sucks and the surrounding area isn’t exactly a hub of entertainment… unless getting robbed and/or shot is entertaining for you.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I was exaggerating a bit....

… I lived in Oakland for over 10 years and was a social worker so I know what the neighborhoods are all about.

There are worse areas, obviously, but you have to view it from the perspective of folks who don’t live in Oakland (a lot of Warrior fans)…. even without the danger factor, there still is nothing there. What makes AT&T great is there is stuff to do before and after games. Makes a big difference.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What makes AT&T great is there is stuff to do before and after games. Makes a big difference.

Which is why, with all the development happening and continuing to happen in SOMA and mission bay (tech money, not public money) it makes sense for Warriors.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

What makes AT&T great is there is stuff to do before and after games.

You are so right. Getting stuck in traffic gridlock going to SF is so fun as is dodging all the homeless when you get there. They are so entertaining once you learn to turn your nose up. They really make me feel better about my own problems.

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by KillaContract on Dec 9, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Uhhhh

Why does the Oracle suck?

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by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

It's about money

Potential money from SF stadium through coroprate sponsorship, luxury tickets etc. dwarfs oracle.

Sad but true, those companies won’t come to oracle nearly as much, but when games are walkable from SOMA offices, it makes sense.

IT’ll change our fanbase, i feel, and probably price a lot of us out, but it’ll also give Warriors a lot more financial capital and hopefully the appeal (being downtown in a big city) to become a premier destination..

I do love a good downtown arena. Creates an awesome gameday atmosphere when you can go 3 hours before, get dinner, go to a bar, go to a game, go to a lounge after, all walkable. None of that’s possible in oracle. Even though I like a lot of oakland spots to eat/drink, none are walkable to oracle.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

But they have to play next to the Giants!

YUCK!!

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by kenntoe on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

transbay terminal (completion tentatively set for 2017/18) will be done then

It’ll be walkable to mission bay. Centralized hub for all public transit in bay, Muni, BART, Caltrans, high speed rail etc.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a pretty long walk!

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

contd

cause lets be honest. No one wants to drive and park in Sf. $30 parking + a nice case of road rage.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Driving to Oracle...

… from SF isn’t much better. Going to the City on a weeknight is a reverse commute.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Which is why I take BART.

It’s convenient, i don’t mind it, but I’d love it if there were places around the arena to hang out.

Think about it, post victory, go to a bar, celebrate, waste even more money….

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

China Basin is awesome

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by ejdacanay on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

J-Ridah, where are you?

I feel more confident about this happening by 2020 than anything Warriors related.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe they can build a state of the art night club right next door so all the free agents will sign here!

by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you, it'd totally change the dynamic

I can see why they’d want to do it though. Smart business. A fan is a fan. Money is money. They don’t care who goes to game, as long as seats are filled and if they can make more per seat…

On a different note, I think Oakland will be with no teams by 2020. A’s are gone. Raiders will go to. Warriors we see the writing.

As a fan it makes me sad, growing up in east bay, i used to go to A’s and warriors game as a child, as a teen, my best memories. Even the Raiders, I’ll miss…

Just mentioned you cause we argued over it before and you’re one of my fav’s (whether I agree or not). J-R makes GSoM go round .

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The difference between Oracle and a arena in SF will be apparent in the crowd response to games. Money is money and they make alot of it at their current location. I dont see them being able to build a arena in SF and if they do I hope they get what they are looking for, A uppity crowd like the Miami heat got that buy tickets and never show up. Makes zero sense to me. I hate catching the bart to frisco so ill be watching more games at home.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont see them being able to build a arena in SF and if they do I hope they get what they are looking for,

That’s where i disagree. I can show you on a map where it’ll be.

I work in construction industry (structural engineering services, I’m in business development, so it’s my job to know about development and where the future projects are).

The area they are looking is in heavy planning, development, a lot of ground has been broken etc.

FYI, niners will be breaking ground by late spring. Taf-guarantee

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Im saying I dont see them getting the money to get it done. Maybe they will.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

They're not getting it from City or State, thats for sure

However tech companies are basically printing money and thats a large reason Lacob is so wealthy.

Could easily see some sort of google, apple, VC consortium funding it.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Lacob got his money from investing in medical companies for the most part. Google,apple, nor any other company is fronting the 49ers any money to move to silicon valley. Its a recession and most companies are only investing withing their own company. He can get a huge loan from a few banks tho. I just dont get why he would do it when Oracle is selling out almost every game. Imagine how high ticket prices will jump when they have to finance the new arena.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong

Niners have taken ALOT of silicon valley money my friend. I think the niners and county put up only 150 mil of the 950 mil.

The rest came from VC, and silicon valley and bank loans. That’s a lot.

And wrong on Lacob.

Kliener Perkins was an EARLY investor on Google, Amazon.com, AOL, EA and other tech related ocmpanies.

They are also heavy in medicle, but Kliener Perkins is VERY well known for being among earliest involved in tech boom
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As for why?

Simple- they can make A LOT more in SF. They may sell out oracle but tickets are cheap comparative to NBA big markets.

Considering the wealth in bay area, warriors are really undercharging.

Sad but true economics of the matter

by tafkasam on Dec 9, 2011 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

The niners got loans from banks to finance new stadium. Do your research.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I refuse to pay 30 dollars to park. I refuse to deal with that traffic. I may go to a game or 2 each season via bart but thats it. Its much more convienent for me to go to Oracle.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Understandable...

… but the traffic is just as bad going to Oracle from SF… or from Vallejo. There are Warriors fans from all over the Bay that deal with what you’re complaining about for every game and still manage to show up.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

No arena in the Bay will be more convienent than Oracle. All you gotta do is catch the bart and walk over the ramp.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

BART also goes to SF..

… if the extra 20 minutes is a huge deal, perhaps you should reconsider your loyalties.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

BART also goes to SF

Who knew!?!

That should be their new slogan.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Bart does go to SF, However, getting off at the coliseum station and walking across the ramp is much more convienent than going to at&t park.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much describes why I dislike Giants games, but at same time, you can look at the knicks and while front rows are clearly the well off, plenty of ‘hardcore fans’. Lakers/Celts to a lesser degree.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

REAL fans support their team. Period.

Warriors fans come from all over the Bay… not just Oakland. Unless the prices get jacked out of hand, there’s no reason for fans to not make it to the new arena beyond some sort of childish pride.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What's a "real" fan?

I’m not from Oakland, I’m from San Jose. I’ll go to the games whether it’s in Oakland or whether it’s in San Francisco.

extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."

by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Went to a development meeting in Mission Bay (area they are looking at) 1 week ago

Trust me, they’ll be building it up for next 15 years. Housing for somewhere between 50-100k when it’s all said and done, to accomodate the tech boom.

Lots of office buildings too, campus’ for multiple tech companies who want to be in SF to attract top employees, UCSF campus is already in process now.

by tafkasam on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

It seemed like an inevitability

Considering they make hold so many of their official events in SF. They wouldn’t have spent $450 mil for the team unless they had some big plans for the franchise.

by Pippen on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

Seems like Locob/Guber have had their eyes on San Francisco before the sale of the team even went through. This deal seems inevitable…

by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

The Warriors will always be a East Bay team, whether they move to SF or not.

by Slightly Hyphy on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

You realize they used to play in SF, right?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Watching the Warriors play in SF would be dope.

It’s just bittersweet because Oracle Arena is much closer to where I live and if they move to SF I’ll most likely just start taking BART to the games instead of driving.

I have a feeling this new arena would be one of the nicest in the NBA, though. AT&T Park is already one of the best ballparks in MLB, having an NBA arena with a nice view of the water near Embarcadero would be crackin.

by Precise Films Productions on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

I’d be surprised if the warriors did not move to SF.

by realist_ on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

If it's like AT&T with a view of the bay

That’d be pretty sweet.

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by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 PM PST reply actions  

After spending most of my life in the east bay

I have been living in San Joaquin County for the last 9 yrs. Going to Oakland was doable but if and when they move to SF you can count me out as well.
It’ll be an uppity crowd for sure and the passion we have in Oakland will be gone. Warriors fans at the Oracle are a special breed…I don’t believe it will be the same in SF.

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by SmittytheCutman on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

maybe or maybe not....

….it will all hinge on ticket prices. If they don’t go up significantly, there’s no reason the fan base should chance significantly. Sure it’s more convenient for some, and less for others… but that’s how is now.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly though what kind of fan would you be if a team moved 15 miles away?
You guys say ticket prices go up? They would even if the Warriors built a new stadium in the East Bay,
they’re gonna have to pay off the loans they take out somehow.

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by i wish we were good on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think it’s about the distance for anyone. Everyone knows how congested that area can get, especially with tons of people getting off work around the same time people are making their way to the game. If you think Oracle is bad whenever there’s an A’s game as well, it will be so much worse when the Giants are playing the same night.

by bObaBaLLa on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Giants was able to up ticket prices because they stayed in the same city and had Barry. If the dubs dont have a bonafide allstar by the time they move, I dont see how they can pull this off and keep the fanbase the way it is now. The new arena will be filled with douche bags.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

So the Giants were able to up ticket prices BECAUSE they stayed in the same city and had Barry.
Along that same logic, if the Dubs don’t have a bonafide star, the ticket prices won’t go up as dramatically because there will be little justification for it. Owners are never interested in any business proposition that lose fans. If they DO have a bonafide star by that point, along the lines that you’re arguing, fans will still come out, especially the diehards that have been going for years, because, well, the Warriors will be as attractive as ever.

and in the end the warriors are a BAY AREA team, they’re not an oakland team. Baseball, football aren’t comparable, both SF & Oakland have their own loyalties. The Warriors have played in both San Francisco and Oakland(hell, they were referred to as the San Francisco Warriors while playing in Oakland for a bit), they have fans not only in the east bay, but huge fans in San Francisco(which if you haven’t noticed is a more populous city than Oakland) and San Jose and the areas surrounding both those cities. Trust me, many fans from Oakland will still go to games, just as a lot of NIners fans will still go to games in Santa Clara. AT&T Park has been known as one of the most easily accessible ballparks in the nation by public transportation(from almost anywhere in the Bay Area), and little will change if the potential arena is built nearby, the NBA season and baseball season barely overlap. and if fans in the east bay dwindle, more fans from San Francisco and the area will show up, and don’t go calling them douchebags – they’re the same fans that BART from San Francisco to Oakland currently, and they’re a part of the very same ‘fanbase’ that you think would change so much.

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by i wish we were good on Dec 9, 2011 2:41 AM PST up reply actions  

The new arena will be filled with douche bags.

Rich douche bags!

If you are concerned about the ticket prices, do not worry. That is why Lacob is putting in hi-def big screens in the Oracle. So after they move, the lower class will still have a place to watch the games at greatly reduced prices.

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by KillaContract on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

what a coicncidence

Just today me and my friend were talking about how a move to SF could boost free agent interest for the warriors. This would be awesome. Im on the bandwagon

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by iStoner on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 AM PST reply actions  

Your wrong if you think moving to SF will get more free agents here. Nobody cares about playing or living in San Francisco. At least blacks dont, And me being a A/A I can tell you thats a fact. If you were to look at the dubs that are african american that live in SF right now, you may only find 1 if your lucky. Guys would much rather live in city’s like Alameda,Danville, Walnut Creek, Oakland hills. San Francisco has nothing that would impress a young african american male. Hate to get racial but its the truth. SF is boring if you fall under my demographic. And most would rather live in the suburbs.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Im a bit torn myself. I live in SF and it would be awesome knowing that the warriors are officially in MY city and way more convenient for me to get to games (muni ftw!) but another part of me knows that the atmosphere in the arena just won’t be the same. It won’t be the ROARacle anymore…

by JustSomeName on Dec 9, 2011 12:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

*rolls eyes at all the comments about the Warriors being solely the East Bay’s team

by WYK on Dec 9, 2011 4:07 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

this

from a hardcore south bay fan’s perspective (san jose!)

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by czjlover4life on Dec 9, 2011 4:11 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

I lived for 8 years in Berkeley/Oakland and other 10 in SF, so I don’t really have a horse in this race, but I never ease to be amazed at how easily people divide themselves into star-bellied and non-star-bellied sneetch “camps.” As others have noted, they’re a BAY AREA team.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

...

That said, Lakers, Dodgers and Angels fans are the Great Satan. ;-)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 9, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

True, I never viewed the dubs as a Oakland or 510 team. If a 49er fan can accept their team moving from San Francisco to Santa Clara, I certainly could come to grips with the dubs crossing the bridge, especially since their name is not the Oakland Warriors. Im just saying it makes zero sense to me to move a team that everybody agrees is in a convienent location and is in the top 10 in attendance in the league. Just so fans can patronize businesses that the team dont own on their way to and from the game? I guess im just different, if I want to eat ill go somewhere near my home after or before the game. I go to the arena to see the game, not to go on a date afterwards.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

seriously

If anything, the MAJORITY of the current warriors fan-base lie outside oakland

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by i wish we were good on Dec 9, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Oakland is the 99%. How much will Club 200 seats cost in $F?

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Dec 9, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

SF is like any other major city in America

Housing prices are high but its all relative. The VAST majority of people there are working class, there are a couple neighborhoods out of more than a dozen (Pacific Heights Area + Sea Cliff Area) that can clearly be labeled as truly ‘wealthy’, but how is that any different than other other major city?

Giants have one of the nicest ballparks in the league, but still offer ticket prices affordable for the majority of the public.

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by i wish we were good on Dec 9, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

99% of SF...

… is also the 99%.

You’re right, though… how things change will depend more on ticket prices than anything else.

by warriorsablaze on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.
Some people act as if San Francisco is the 1%, but in reality its basically just like any other major city in the country…

RIP | anVil | 9-19-2009 | dude had potential.

by i wish we were good on Dec 9, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Being from San Jose

Really all the same to me wherever they move. Actually, moving near AT&T means I can just take Cal Train, so actually it would be more convenient. I do find all this SF vs Oak talk rather ridiculous though.

As we saw with the Niners though, kind of a plain getting a development plan underway in SF. I mean, if they couldn’t get a football stadium going, what are the chances of the Warriors getting it done?

Btw: It’s not like Lacob appears dead set on moving to SF: http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2011/12/09/mayor-quan-warriors-intrigued-by-plans-for-new-arena-at-proposed-coliseum-city/

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by Badly Browned on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

Oakland still has a shot at keeping them. The mayor is revealing a new plan today about a complex called “Coliseum City” which will be like LA live. That should satisfy all you people who complain about the experience before and after the game. Now you have to find new code words to say how much your afraid of the city of Oakland and how much it scares you everytime you enter the city.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

I lived 3 hours away..

And would drive to see around 5 Giants games and 5+ W’s games a year. Its still about the same commute for me so I dont mind, but I think the hardcore warriors fans will travel no matter what.

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by 4Ever Golden on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

Will the hardcore fans pay the price of tickets and $30 parking? I think only the 1’s that are well off will. Plenty of Giant fans cant afford the price of admission, does not make them less hardcore.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m a college kid and I can afford admission to Giants games. If you’re not trying to go to every major rivalry game(which will obviously be more expensive), you can often catch tickets for $10, and a couple years ago as little as $6-7. Obviously winning a championship inflates prices a bit.

but I’ve also NEVER paid for parking while going to a Giants game and I don’t even live in the city. Its just a BART ride, and a transfer within the same station to a muni metro train that takes you to the ENTRANCE of the ballpark.

Literally the only people I’ve known to pay for parking are those who are driving from a few hours away, those who don’t care about the $30 anyway, or tourists. It is literally one of the most easily accessible stadium via public transportation in the Bay Area, more so than any stadium in Oakland or San Jose, and more so than Candlestick. Theres no reason to drive unless you have to.

RIP | anVil | 9-19-2009 | dude had potential.

by i wish we were good on Dec 9, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The Oakland Coliseum/Oracle is easily the most accessible arena to get to in the Bay.

by J-RIDAH on Dec 9, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I said most easily accessible stadium via public transportation, in response the complaint about expensive parking. Caltrain, BART through Muni, virtually no walking in between. Stops literally in front of the stadium.

RIP | anVil | 9-19-2009 | dude had potential.

by i wish we were good on Dec 9, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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