ESPN's Chad Ford: Warriors are "Sleeper" to land Deron Williams

Offensively I think it’d likely to be a lot worse.

Has never, in the NBA, had to guard SGs. I’m not sure he’s a big enough (bigger than Curry sure) PG to make that reverso G thing work. It’d take away from his O game having to run around guarding SGs coming off screens all day.

Still, even though i prefer Curry to Monta, i’m thinking about this one.

I think it’s the multiple first rounders, DW’s ability to leave in two years and doubts he’d like to guard SGs that leaves me wondering about this one.

I vaguely remember an ESPN or Yahoo article during this past World Series saying how it was actually between two big media markets. But the Bay Area is still a fairly large media market and players know that. The reason free agents may not want to come here isn’t because of media market or whatnot, they don’t want to come to the Warriors because of the history of a horrible FO.

not big market, never will be

The Bay Area is a big market, but the reason why FA’s tend to not want to go here is because of our horrible reputation as a basketball team. We’ve missed the Playoffs 15 of the last 16 seasons. That type of losing can make a team look bad no matter what type of market they play in.

You can see it in the media as well. Back in the glory days of the Warriors in the 70s they had the positive vibe going on.

I was watching “Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the 1970s remake of the 1950s film)” a couple weeks ago and was surprised to hear the Warriors being mentioned in the movie. In one scene, the main character was talking to her husband at home and he said, “I have something to look forward to tonight… PLAYOFFS!”. Then in another scene -I think she was on the phone talking to someone – she was saying, “I know, I know, the Warriors won!”.

Granted, the movie took place in San Francisco, but if they were to film that movie there now I doubt they would even mention the Warriors since we currently a bad reputation and viewers from other cities would just laugh. I’m sure they’d mention the San Francisco Giants, though (at least we’re getting some recognition in the MLB).

and remember when the Mavs sucked

when I average his RAPM and ezPM, he comes out to +3. He’s still the 3rd best PG, but around 30th overall.

so, a net +2 for DWill. Not quite worth a max contract.

he’s citing PBP’s version of WP.

just using your original comment as my jumping off point, rather than his response – sorry if it was confusing!

…plus at this point of the thread (where it will look like a reply fail) I didn’t think it mattered much who I replied to

Who has won more playoff games?

Have they had equivalent teams over their careers? Since the answer to that question is no, why is team vicotories that relevant?

Who has played better D for both guard positions?

As a few people have pointed out, it actually looks like Paul comes out ahead here, as far as guarding point guards. He hasn’t been asked to guard shooting guards – but Deron doesn’t look so good in that department.

Who has won the head-to-head matchup every time?

Deron appears to have won it more often than not, but not every time. It’s also a 16-game sample.

Who has played better against over .500 teams?

I would need to see more evidence before accepting this as a given. It’s true Paul has generally struggled against Boston, but you know who’s been worse? Deron.

they are both far and away the best PG’s in the league…

I don’t believe the margin to be decisively overwhelming, although I do believe that Deron will be more effective in his later career, if that matters at all to the relevance of this topic.

But speaking of relevance, since we are discussing the trading of either Curry or Ellis, one can assume, as it stands, that either of these players will remain on the roster. By this understanding, I would rather have Deron Williams than Paul.

When two players are marginally comparable, and are both obviously elite, its my opinion that their surrounding roster would grant either the benefit or disadvantage purely through the residue of it’s design.

I would guess this roster is better suited for Deron. I would also trade either one of our backcourt pieces, along with Udoh, to get him. The multiple draft picks would have to be protected, and most preferably during the 15-16 seasons.

 If a manager cannot achieve the assembling of a winning roster within a 4 year span following the aftermath of acquiring an elite talent at a crucial position, then that manager should have no further business.

 Long ago in relative terms, ever since the draft when Montay pointed it out , and the time since then that he’s been proved correct.
 2 years is probably about 1/4 of the average NBA player’s useful career so decisions need to be made quicker than that to maximize the team’s potential. The sooner a trend is recognized the easier to execute a trade.

we’d get to watch that sweet sweet crossover 3 nights a week.

he’s a little under 6’3" in shoes and has a 6’6.25" wingspan. He’s also 200 lbs. He’s not small, but he really isn’t “guard 2s” big. Very few 2s are actually in his size range.

 I just don’t think we need a big upgrade at point as much as we need a big upgrade at the 2 spot. I’d rather play binky with a big 2 than D-Ron with Montay. Binky is cheaper so we could spend more for the bigger 2 guard and upgrade our defense and rebounding instead of just our point guard. If just getting D-ron was the solution utah would already be the NBA champs you know?