Don't Trade Biedrins for OKC's Expirings
by WarriorFanLive on Feb 15, 2011 3:30 PM PST
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PrintSo there is that rumor (started by ESPN) saying that we should trade Andris Biedrins (& Lou Amundsen) to the Thunder for Nenad Kristic and Morris Peterson just to get out of Biedrins' contract so we have cap space in the offseason. I can't say I like that idea.
I hate how we've given away EVERY SINGLE PIECE of that glorious WE BELIEVE team for absolutely nothing in return.
Quick recap:
Jason Richardson --> Brandan Wright...aka NOTHING!
Baron Davis ----------> Corey Maggette -------------> Charlie Bell, Dan Gadzuric...aka NOTHING!
Al Harrington --------> Jamal Crawford -------------> Speedy Claxton, Acie Law...aka NOTHING!
Stephen Jackson --> Raja Bell, Vladimir Radmonovic...aka NOTHING!
Matt Barnes ----------> NOTHING!
Mickael Pietrus -----> NOTHING!
At this point, I'll agree that Biedrins is not the player that any of us want him to be, but trading him for those expiring contracts is going to be a BAD idea. Believe it or not, we WILL get worse this year. And then once those contracts come off the books (along with most everyone else on our roster...) we'll be left with nothing but a ton of cap space for the off season. This may be a good idea, until you realize that we are still the Warriors, and that no one who has any real value will want to sign with us unless we overpay them (a la Corey Maggette). Then that player would under-produce and before you know it everyone will be calling for their head and demanding that they be traded for more expiring contracts so we can continue this vicious cycle again and again.
The fact of the matter is, as bad as Biedrins has played this year, we still need him on this team. We don't have a better option at center right now (and as far as I know, there aren't any better centers in the league who are on the trading block). Anyone out there who thinks that we will land DeAndre Jordan in the offseason is foolish.
So in short, I am against trading Andris Biedrins for expiring contracts because in true Warriors fashion, this team either will not or won't be able to do anything with any of the cap space that it would made.
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I actually like the trade
Biedrins’ contract is straight awful and although we lose Amundson’s hustle, we get two very capable role players, give Ekpe Udoh more minutes to develop (which I want considering all the promise he’s shown) and a hell of a lot more cap space this summer to possibly get a legit player (barring a major CBA trade)
Not trading Biedrins because of what he did 4 years ago is quite foolish, no offense.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
*barring a major CBA change, my bad
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Biedrins’ contract is straight awful and although we lose Amundson’s hustle, we get twovery capable rolehorrible players,
Fixed that for you.
by Ronaldinho on Feb 15, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Slightly edited
We get two horrible players for 28 games.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
I think your expectations are a little on the high side regarding what Biedrins and Amundson will give us
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Uh, where did I discuss my expectations? I’m just pointing out how many games are left in the season. FWIW I suspect, once you factor in salary, Biedrins and Lou have close to zero trade value.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
We get two horrible players for 28 games.
exactly. despite biedrin’s underperformance, his head case like “need” for coddling,which slows the game down and limits free play and udoh’s utter lack of “need” which makes ekpe quite valuable, perhaps more so than andris, we still shouldnt trade for crappy players.
just because you have money to spend doesnt mean u get someone good (corey magette?)
let the core grow together, this team is not a play off team even next year. move slowly and deliberately. getting bad people is far worse than keeping mediocre ones.
by felix botticelli on Feb 15, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
We only have Biedrins for 3 more years, actually. And if you really think Biedrins is flat out “bad”, I’m guessing you don’t think much of things like rebounding?
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, specifically tell me what this “better” you’re talking about is.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
It would be very easy to find someone who consistently rebounded poorly. Consistency isn’t worth much unless it’s consistently good. There are many centers who do important things consistently worse than Biedrins. MB was challenging you to suggest a real solution that would be better, a player for example, and a real explanation of what that player consistently does better in a context of things that help win games.
Putting more thought into the answer instead of a one word title line reply would make your argument, such that it can even be called that, stronger.
Money of the books is good.
As of right now, we only have $7 milliion at best to sign another impact player (assuming the SBA doesn’t lower the cap even more). That is barely above the mid-level exception, meaning mid-level talent and somebody not even as good as Beans. So, another crappy player and we still have Beans the softy 30% FT shooter.
If we get rid of beans, that clears up another $11 million or so, meaning we would have about $18 million to sign a LEGIT player. Case closed.
What is this lack of “need” we’re talking about, and how does it make a player quite valuable? I don’t need anything but an NBA contract (I’ll take a guaranteed one, thank you very much), am I valuable?
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Biedrins’ contract is straight awful
Actually it is not.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 16, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
but he is overpaid at this point…maybe not
straight awfulbut at least undesirable
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
we WILL get worse this year.
For 28 meaningless games. To the extent that it makes us worse, it will improve our draft position.
Jason Richardson […] Baron Davis […] [snip]
Sunk costs.
Also: there’s not a single guy on that list who would add much to this team right now, beyond a whole bunch of $$$.
I’m moderately favor of Biedrins for expirings. I like him a lot, but it’s time for this team to break some eggs, imho.
Now if we were feeling really ballsy, we could ship Biedrins and Monta to Memphis for Zach Randolph and OJ Mayo $20M in expiring contracts. That might be worth it just to watch the sparks fly on GSoM…
There will be no extra point!
I actually like the deal for Memphis, too. Conley/Ellis/Gay/Biedrins is not a bad core…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe too ballsy.
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Why so eager to trade Monta all of a sudden?
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Feb 15, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
All of a sudden? I think I’ve been fairly consistent in my feelings about Monta. I like the guy a lot. I defended him pretty staunchly against some pretty harsh critics during and after Mopedgate. I’ve been impressed with his leadership and improved game this year. At the same time, this season is just another data point to throw on a mounting pile of evidence that, for all his talent and improvement and pluck and cool-guy-ness, he’s not the type of player around whom you build a winning team. And not only that: he may well be the type of guy who makes a mediocre team a bit worse. I don’t think his contract is horrible, but given how easy it is to find solid scoring guards (viz. Kelenna, Morrow, Reggie) I think his $11M contract is a unnecessary drag on the franchise.
Here’s my complete rosterbation eight-step master plan:
1. Monta to Memphis for Mayo & Thabeet. It was rumored to be on the table before, and that was before Monta’s impressive improvement and Mayo’s and Tha-bust’s depressing regression. No way Memphis can turn that down now. Monta gets to play close to home and gets to play alongside Gay.
2. Biedrins to OKC for expirings (as rumored).
3. Expirings (and possibly a draft pick) to Philly for Iguodala.
4. With the $7M saved in deals #1,2, and 3 pursue Nene, Jordan, Chandler, Perkins, and Oden in the offseason. As I mentioned before, even if the chances of landing each of them ain’t great, the chances of landing one of them is pretty good.
5. Re-sign Tha-bust and Amundson on the cheap for big men depth.
6. Resign Reggie on the cheap.
7. Sign crazy Delonte West on the cheap to relieve Steph of some of the ballhandling duties.
8. Fire Smart, hire Brian Shaw.
2011-12 Rotation
PBH: Curry 36 / West 12
Wings: Iguodala 38 / Dorell 32 / Potatohead 20 / West 6
Bigs: KPerkins 28 / Lee 38 / Udoh 16 / Amundson 8 / Thabeet 6
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Still means trading Monta for Thabeet and cap space only in the end.
That’s lightweight heartbreaking.
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Feb 15, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Well, in the end it means Monta and Biedrins for Iguodala and Perkins. Pure fantasy, but would you really not make that swap?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 15, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
well for Monta, Biedrins and a pick. If Iggy could be had simply for expiring I might prefer to just make that trade and keep Monta and Biedrins instead of Perkins and West.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
If Iggy could be had simply for expiring
dude, we have a better chance of getting LeBron
I don’t think you realize this but Iggy is one of the main factors that has propelled Philly into the playoff picture in the East (and 8th on Hollinger’s latest Power Rankings).
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sleepy, I love the master plan
but I really see it breaking down right around step 3…
love the end results though
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
If we could bring back Marc Gasol + expirings, I would be quite pleased with that trade.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's a good move for the long term and this team is building for the long term
Biedrins was partially a product of the guys from the We Believe season, so since we’re past that, it really is not relevant. Trading Biedrins in a trade like this gives us flexibility going into the offseason as well as going into the following offseasons. I’d rather we just give them Biedrins for Kristic and Cook, rather than Biedrins and Lou for Kristic and Peterson.
16 years is long enough. We need another "long term"?! How long?!
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 15, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
It was 16 years without a plan.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 15, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
that quick recap was painful
Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw
by JohnnyDangerously on Feb 15, 2011 4:15 PM PST reply actions
I want to keep Beans. If we really want cap space, why not Beans for Yao??
Houston wants another big, and we can gamble on Yao, either Yao play or Yao expires.
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Feb 15, 2011 6:23 PM PST reply actions
Houston wants another big man. That does not mean that they want Biedrins. Houston is a well run franchise. Despite losing a genuine “franchise center”, they were competitive, right around .500 last year and haven’t fallen apart completely this year either.
I don’t think Morey sees things in the same way as “get a center” or “get a big” and then starts looking at players so much as he evaluates what’s on the landscape and finds where they can buy and get better production return on their dollar. It’s done well for them. If Morey doesn’t consider Biedrins a bargain, I don’t think it matters that he’s a big. Houston won’t want him.
funny, I came up with this trade idea a few weeks ago
thought I’d be crapped on, so I didn’t bother posting it
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GD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DO THESE HOTLINK FUNCTIONS ALWAYS FAIL FOR ME??????
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Feb 15, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
there was already a FanShot on this yesterday
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yeah, I’ve given up on figuring out how to use the embeded links…I just paste them into the body of the post now
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
You have to highlight the text you want to be the link first, then click link and put in the url.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
so, like this?
and then you would just click here to see a robot playing basketball?
nice, thanks man: I appreciate the help!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
This was pretty interesting
I couldn’t find the fanshot, but I was wondering if anyone on the Warriors front office staff understands the cap rules? It does not appear that they do.
meh
I think a lot of this situation was inherited.
And yeah, listening to Riley and Lacob, it seems pretty clear that they understand how screwed the Dubs salary situation is…which just happens to tie in nicely with their whole “be patient” PR stance
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Not having a thorough understanding of the salary cap would be one of the most blatantly incompetent thing a front office could do. I really, really doubt that’s the case.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
It's a pipedream to get expirings for Biedrins.
But if there was an opportunity you jump at it. Fans are smart enough to know it’s a good move considering all the good centers on the free agent market. There will be zero backlash except from fans who don’t know better.
I don't think we will get any of those centers.
And honestly the one i think we can get the most in Nene would be a worse fit defensively next to Lee.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 15, 2011 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
Biedrins is still 24 years old, 6-11, and has a career .596 TS% with over a 12 board per 36 minute career average. He isn’t the defensive or offensive threat we’d all like him to be and 9 million is probably a little more than he deserves. However, we aren’t likely to lure any free agent center here with the kind of money they deserve and at least Biedrins’ salary doesnt increase each year. Would I rather have Jordan or Perkins? Absolutely. But I’m not confident enough in our ability to lure one of them here to give Biedrins away. There are going to be a lot of pretty good centers on the market this offseason, but there are roughly 30 teams in the NBA who would love to add/keep a pretty good center this offseason. I think there’s a very good chance that if we trade Biedrins for expirings we end up with Marc Gasol on a 5 or 6 year contract with a starting salary of 10 million that increases each year. I’d much rather sign Andris Biedrins this offseason to a 3 year 27 million dollar deal than sign Gasol to that kind of deal. If I’m giving Andris away for expiring contracts I need the other team to at least take Charlie Bell with him.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
+1
To me, Beans seems like a great fit for the roster, he’s young, and not too expensive (for a starting center)
Trading him for talent might be a little more acceptable to me(or as a vehicle to get rid of something like Charlie Bell (even though he actually looked ok last night)).
But I think our chances of signing one of the big FA centers this offseason with 8 or 9 mil is not very good
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps we can keep Biedrins and trade one of our expirings for this guy
I have a sneaking suspicion that you know that guy…
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Fantastically interesting guy. Worked with Morten Anderson, who claimed he didn’t ever know the score of games he was called to kick in. Said it shouldn’t matter. He wanted to make every field goal. There was no reason to do something different to that end if the game was tied or if it was a blowout. Not knowing the score meant there was no such thing as a pressure situation.
does anyone know
If Beans has talked to a sporsports psychologist?
seems to me like a damn fine idea!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I have heard that he has, though if he’s seeing a real psychologist, even one who specializes in sports, there’s Dr/Patient confidentiality to consider and we should only know it if Andris specifically releases the information. There are a number of ‘sports psychologists’ who are unlicensed, essentially private coaches who try to get into the player’s mindset. Some are good, some are not.
Any psychologist should be working with the coaching staff as well in concert with the player, else it’s real easy for one to undermine the other to the point that you get two ineffective voices and one very ineffective player. I do not know if Smart is able to do this, to listen to another voice who may say things that differ with his own perceptions and be able to act responsibly with the suggestions. My gut instinct tells me that Nellie would not work well with someone else advising him on how to handle a player. I fear that Smart, based on his history as a disciple of Bobby Knight and understudy to Nellie, may not be all that open to the process either, though this is all speculation on my part.
haha! not a bad idea!
Beans seems to desperately need a sports psychologist!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
it is amazing that Andris is only 24
Gasol is in just his 3rd season and is 26
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Biedrins wqill be 25 in month+
So don’t try and scew the age disparity. Gasol also played professionally overseas, so don’t try and make a point he’s inexperienced. His offensive game is infinitely more polished than Biedrins will ever be.
That said, he’s not what we need, I’d only say get him if he was an elite offensive player with all his deficiencies. He’s not
wow, why so defensive?
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He don't like AB, you dig!?
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
For the record: I don't like Gasol
I was BIG on Gasol at beginning of season because of progress he made from year 1 to 2. But he seems to have taken a step backwards in everything except defense. And even there he’s not a true difference maker (more like Andris in the sense that, put him in a good defensive team with a clear role, he won’t be a liability. Granted his skillset defensively differ from Andris’)
I just think it’s BS to bring age/experience factor up. Manu came to NBA at 25. Scola at 28. You do realize playing professionally oversea’s counts too. Gasol is a much more mature player (in his game, not talking about personality) than Andris is.
Truth is, I hate both next to DLee, and I keep coming back to this point. I find centers I like (Nene, for ex.) and ALL are bad fits next to DLee. Do we really need to give a guy a 6 year 80 mil contract for being such a limited player? I mean basically we need an big, physical, athletic center, who can defend the rim because of ALL Lee’s deficiencies. Dwight Howard. Where as someone like Nene, I feel like would be awesome next to AB. Biedrins being an elite rebounder, and good weakside defender. Nene giving up the BEEF (no/riley) and actually being able to D up players in the post. Udoh/BW off the bench at PF, moving Nene to center in those situations etc. etc.
Truth is, I hate both next to DLee, and I keep coming back to this point. I find centers I like (Nene, for ex.) and ALL are bad fits next to DLee. Do we really need to give a guy a 6 year 80 mil contract for being such a limited player?
I’m beginning to think something along these lines, as well. Lee is almost like Monta in a sense, where their skillset means the other guy playing next to them (in Monta’s case, the PG, in Lee’s, the C) needs a really specialized skillset to work well with them – and it’s just hard to find those guys. I’m not a big fan of the fact that we went out and made such a big commitment to that kind of player. Lee really gives us a challenging problem to solve.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
And taking it a step further
It made little sense considering our back court. I don’t think our back court is as crippling as some people claim. I think when you add a PF like LEe though, you’ve put yourself in a situation where short of adding Lebron at SF and Dwight Howard at C, you’ll never be an above average defensive team.
I think when you add a PF like LEe though, you’ve put yourself in a situation where short of adding Lebron at SF and Dwight Howard at C, you’ll never be an above average defensive team.
I think that’s absolutely fair. I’m coming around to the thinking that PG defense almost doesn’t matter. If you get good PG defense, it’s just a bonus. Good SG defense is important, but not as important as good PF defense. As much as I like Lee’s offensive game, it would be really hard to find a good fit with him. I think Monta is actually a lot more tradeable than Lee at this point, though.
That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
if anyone wants to compare Biedrins and Gasol directly...
The free throw difference is astonishing.
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yeah, no doubt about that
I have Biedrins as +2 relative to Gasol on rebounding alone.
Although overall, Gasol is 2 to Biedrins, so his offensedefense makes up for it.
I also think that you have to be careful interpreting his rebounding numbers. He happens to be playing along one of the top 3-4 rebounders in the NBA in Z-Bo. If you believe in diminishing returns (which I do), then this can explain away some of the difference.
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ramon session and jj hickson
for Bwright and maybe Gadz? not sure if the number work, or if the cavs would even do it, but
Sessions > Law/Lin
Hickson > Bwright (although we already have Lee and Udoh at the 4, I believe Hickson would be a monster sharing minutes Biedrins or any of the players in the front court)
just a thought
So you’re proposing we trade two worse players for two better players. Why would the other team be interested in trading two better players for two worse players?
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Brandan's way better than JJ Hickson.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, but I kinda doubt Cleveland does. They’ve been insisting for a couple years now that HIckson is a big part of their future and I’ve never really understood why.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
This is all just a distraction from the main point: the logic fail of assuming you can trade two worse players for two better players and the other team will just accept it.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Big part of there future? Maybe
But a player they’d trade for more definitely more than BW.
yeah, I don't get it either
there is no reason at all that everyone on that roster should not be available!
plus, I feel you on the confusion specifically on Hickson…seems like a strange peice to keep as the cornerstone of your new rebuilding effort (assuming the Cavs ever decide to actually do anything about being a horrible ball club)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Coming from an owner who publicly declared he’d win a title before Lebron, given the circumstances at the time he made the comment….nothing surprises me.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Cavs are a stupid organization
but not that stupid!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I love Hank Moody
but that aside…
why do you like JJ? Is it because you saw him block Griffin a few days ago?
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Beans to Okc for expiring contracts works for me
Please God let this be true all you ppl who disagree just think about it for a second here this opens the path for Deandre Jordon or Perkins even It’s an upgrade
by FreePalistine1948 on Feb 16, 2011 11:53 AM PST reply actions
Perkins isn’t but he plays with his good pal Rondo on a championship contender that will likely have the means to bring him back. If they don’t, every team with any cap room will be trying to sign him.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Who cares if he is restricted….LAC is cheap and they have to pay Gordon AND Blake real soon. They can’t match 9mil per/year type of contract
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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I dunno
I see the Clipps finally seeing the need to invest in a decent roster
Blake is going to be an all-NBA talent. Soon.
Clips management must see that they are in serious danger of seeing him walk at the first opportunity. Even the densest, douchiest franchise in the NBA should recognize this
Plus, they’ll have BDiddy and his gigantic contract off their books soon, and a cheap replacement already lined up
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 16, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
bdavis has a long way to go
before they need to sign Gordon and blake. Both of which will need 10mil+…in blakes case a max contract. No way they can afford DeAndre Jordan over 9 mill per, which we could offer more than if we lost Andris now.
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check it before you wreck it
Gordan will come up for a new contract the year after BDiddy comes off the books (the 2013/14 season)
then Griffin is up the year after that
meanwhile, Clips have enough cash coming off the books to where they should be ok
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
The Clippers have a legitimate chance to take over the LA market. The Lakers core isn’t going to last too long in the future, and the Clippers have the talent to be a major player pretty soon.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
They might have a limit, but I’m quite sure it will be higher than $9M. Just look at Kaman’s contract – $11.3M this year, $12.2M next, then gone (freeing up money).
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah? Which happens first: Kendrick Perkins or Deandre Jordan play on the Warriors, or Palestine becomes free? Honestly, I’m thinking the latter.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding Me!
So you are saying to not trade Biedrins just becasue he was a part of that team? That makes no sense. He is HORAWFUL. He does nothing in all that time he gets. Why not trade for some expiring contracts and then have a boatload of money for the offseason. Even if they don’t get someone, they can sign someone the following year. And I agree with the people who are saying DONT TRADE MONTA. Why would we trade him or Curry? They don’t need iguadola or another sf because Wright is doing fine? (Wright numbers are better than A.I.) However I would be okay trading Biedrins for him, but I really like the idea of getting expirings. Biedrins isn;t getting it done and they desperately need a C.
Is that you, jae?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
for* not 'of' after pieces
Not really liking Beans contract but he does have some worth to him. He rebounds better than most centers in the league.
by Monta THE Boss on Feb 16, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Fixed.
He rebounds better than almost all players in the league.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mind the trade, but the timing is horrible.
I’m of the opinion that AB does not help the Warriors enough and would have to get rid of his contract in order to get someone like Nene. However, the new CBA throws a monkey wrench in the middle of the works to mess it up. The Warriors could make the playoffs even with Biedrins, and while Lou has been hurt, he could be a big help during the playoffs. If the Warriors were out of playoff contention, we do not know what the new CBA will be like, so it will be a gamble. If they raise the salary cap, then it would help the Warriors, but it could stay the same or be less. It’s probably better to wait until after the season to see what it brings. We need a surer thing coming back in order to deal Biedrins. Not just salary relief.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
What about Chris Kaman?
We do a 3-way with OKC. We give them AB, but not Lou. They give us Nenad Krstic and filler whom we send off to the Clips for Chris Kaman. Kaman will be an expiring next season and could be used as trade bait for Nene 
"Go ahead. Make my day."
expirings are not what they used to be
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