Recap #55: Warriors 107- Jazz 100. The Statement.
by jae on Feb 16, 2011 9:49 PM PST
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The Mississippi Bullet doesn't have the right ring. I've spend enough time in Mississippi (not much) to know how unfortunate it is to be saddled with a moniker connecting one to the state that makes Arkansas look great. Sure, the general lack of any other "Monta" means he's unlikely to be confused with your garden variety average NBA player, but still for one as widely regarded as the Golden State Warriors' star, Monta Ellis has been sorely lacking an acceptable nickname.
It's time he got a good one.
If the majority of the last month of play has shown us anything, it's that Monta Ellis is driven. Whether he'd admit to it or not, he's hurt by the lack of consideration for this weekend's festivities in LA. But rather than crawl away, he's taken the opportunity to shine against winning teams and certain All-Stars. His play of late is speaking louder than any nod in the NBA's mid-season popularity contest. He's letting his game tell it.
Monta Ellis. The Statement.
There haven't been too many 'round these parts who have been more critical of Monta Ellis than myself. 25.5 points per game a year ago? Superficially impressive, it hardly warranted "star status" as the high shot volume dramatically inflated the figure. Couple that with an extraordinarily high number of turnovers, and it should not be a surprise that the team performed better in his absence. And while most of this season has seen some oscillation between the ball-hoggedly shot-happy 2009-10 model and the efficient lightning quick off the ball score threat model that earned him his present contract, things are changing within Monta's game.
And that change is good. Monta's shooting is dramatically improved from what it was a year ago. He is enough of threat from behind the arc to warrant taking the shot and to warrant being covered when he tries it. And while he's had ups and downs this year, the trend of late looks promising, more willing to pass and more patient with his shot. He now sees the picks developing to get him free for clean looks and open paths to the basket, more able to tell when he has the one on one duals that he's likely to win instead of the blind one on three rush into traffic that seldom results in success. The team is now beginning to win, and he's a very large part of the reason why.
Does it sting him that he's now had the better night in a winning cause against All-Star guards Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, and now Deron Williams? "We got to treat this game like it's an All-Star game...I mean, uh, a playoff game." The stumble of speech was telling. The omission stings. But if he continues to play like he has of late, playoff games could likely follow.
While last night's game was a more balanced effort, there was a much clearer focus to tonight's triumph. The defense was there when it needed to be. When we needed them Andris Biedrins' secured valuable rebounds in the 4th quarter to keep it close contact. Certainly Dorell Wright's efficient and effective contribution was key. Without a doubt Reggie Williams' 15 off the bench was more than welcome with Curry's off performance. Williams managed to outscore the Jazz bench by himself. A group effort kept the Jazz's backcourt ace from torching us. Deron's 18 points and 11 assists was considerably better than Chris Paul's outing against Golden State the night before, but it's a pretty typical night for him. He wasn't allowed to explode as he has in earlier matchups. And just when it looked like Monta's mission might go to waste, when Utah has pulled within a possession with less than a minute to go, Stephen Curry sealed a clock milking possession with a thrilling drive around the right, finishing an up and under reverse layup for his only basket of the evening. If you watched closely, you even saw some solid productive minutes by Brandan Wright.
But watching the game, you noticed Monta, noticed him for all the right reasons. His game made a statement. It took 6 wins in 8 outings against winning teams this month to get there. It's taken a team playing like a team, a real basketball team. Win 26 came 27 games earlier than it did a year ago.
There will be more.
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too generic for ME8
sorry, denigrating Mississippi is just weak. He’s proud of his home state. I just like the Blur better. Montazing or Montasty as someone posted in the GDT is pretty cool.
Blur is taken
by our very own Ty Lawson :P
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I like the new nickname
but have always wondered about the missippi one…
wouldn’t “mississippi missle” sound better?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I have never heard a better nickname for him
than Mississlippery.
Someone on this board anointed him thusly a few years back. Who was it?
by whoarethewarriors on Feb 18, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
heard Fitz
call him Mississlippery. Not bad.
Let’s Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.
by OaktownFunk on Mar 17, 2008 10:56 PM PDT reply actions
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 18, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted to say I like it but just don’t have a “flow” to it. For whatever reason it makes me think of bills to pay…you know, Statement?
Missisippi Bullet !!! that’s cool though.
by davidleeisabeast on Feb 18, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
very ugly game
but the last minutes were clutch and exciting
by Monta THE Boss on Feb 16, 2011 10:08 PM PST reply actions
The refereeing in the 3rd was pretty unpretty.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 16, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
fixed
The refereeingin the 3rdwas pretty unpretty.
Seriously though, wtf was up with the refs last night?
I think both teams had enough head-scratcher calls to be legitmately angry.
Hey NBA, here’s an idea, work on the refs calls next year, instead of focusing on player’s reactions!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
The NBA does do a good job of working with their refs and reviewing their calls…
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
if true
then I think there is going to be a big fat “F” given out for this game
“and the review concludes…you sucked last night”
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, reffing basketball is hard, man. Just like players have off nights, so do refs.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
I tried it one summer…
pretty much all instant reaction
After nights like last night though, I would love to see each team get one challenge per half or something
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
well...
I think one of the issues is that there’s a bunch of new NBA refs recently
Not sure “rookie” (yes, I know they have experience) refs is actually going to help all that much
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
brutal officiating
While watching, I honestly believed the game was fixed to cover the over, but it didn’t get there (o/u 209).
Nah, 3 is definitely the optimal number.
by Missing Barry on Feb 18, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I reffed for a few years back in my basketball days. Gives you a whole new perspective and appreciation for the other side of things…
by Missing Barry on Feb 18, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
yes
I definately could NOT hang as a ref…maybe at a game for like, 6 year-olds
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
if true
that lady ref woulda been fired a few years ago
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great night . Warriors won and lakers lose to the Cavs……………….lolololololhahahalmfao!
by npandres on Feb 16, 2011 10:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, jae
You have been critical of Monta; in my mind you’ve spent more time analyzing the stat sheets at the expense of noticing his excitement factor. However, a very nice and fair and deserving write-up for the guy who willed the team to victory tonight.
And Denver, Utah, Memphis might be slowing down
Denver might lose Carmelo before deadline
Jazz without Sloan
Memphis’ Gay is out 4 weeks (read in another fan post)
I’m feeling very hopeful
Gordon Heyward
was it just me or did anyone else see how dirty heyward was. i think i saw biedrins get so pissed he threw him to the ground
ya he was super annoying
constantly fouling…andris was like wtf is this annoying fly, and tossed him to the ground lol
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 16, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t see how dirty he is, but I did see how much he sucks at basketball.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 5:23 AM PST up reply actions
He has been rather unproductive. Jazz scouting may have screwed that pick up… and maybe they made a mistake getting Al Jefferson?
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Not this past game against Utah, but the one before when Deron didn’t play….that game gave me the idea that maybe the Jazz front office isn’t very good, and so I gave that some thought, and I’m beginning to think it’s true. They were a pretty freaking untalented team when Deron was out. Without him and Sloan….I really don’t think that franchise has much else going for it, and obviously now it’s down to just Deron.
by Missing Barry on Feb 18, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah i mean Al Jefferson and Gordon Hayward (as the 9th pick!?) in one off season...
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 18, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I like the way things are shaping up
They did a great job to win going into the All Star break. We are in good shape going down the stretch, we’re only 4 games out, and we’re 3 games under .500. Who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and find a deal that is similar to the Jackson/Harrington deal.
I think it was a final "screw you"
by our former executive of the year Mark Warkentien knew he was going to be fired so he gave him that garbage deal. On the bright side, it could be worse, we could have Luke Walton and his contract, ouch.
"We'll move the Earth for A Title"
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.
AAA Is the truth!
Seems like Smart’s rotations are starting to come around. Not good but nothing like the stuff he did at the start of the season. Still would like to see Curry get more minutes even with his foul trouble and problems, and Brandan’s a pretty good player. At least imo, our best backup big, so i’d prefer 20 minutes for him but if it’s between a DNP and 10 minutes, i’ll definitely take the latter.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 10:32 PM PST reply actions
bwright needs to rebound better
at leasthe got more rebounds than vlad :)
Didn't he get 3 rebounds in 10 minutes tonite.
That’s pretty darn good.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
oops, I looked at the wrong stats
That is how he can get playing time.
Wright is our best rebounder off the bench out of our backup bigs
by duballers23 on Feb 16, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Amundson for sure.
But of the ones who actually are playing, yeah.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Wright had some very good minutes tonight
I think he and Lin have some chemistry, but my opinion might be skewed by being there for their sweet alley-oop to cap off yesterday’s game.
I’d like to see more Wright and more Lin, but good work from both of them tonight.
by ohcleverhansyou on Feb 16, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Those guys are fun to watch! I hope they do continue to get playing time together. Nice energy off the bench, if they can gel.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
yes, agree with this
Smart is looking better, still not great, but definitely not like before
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 16, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
are the rotations actually that much different, injuries notwithstanding? If I remember correctly, a lot of the bench were just not contributing at all with the minutes they got…
of course you’d like to see curry more, you’re on his nuts every.single.game
by soda pop SMASH on Feb 17, 2011 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
a lot of the bench never saw minutes
and a lot of our players never got rest.
Last few games he’s actually rested players. Although the minutes might not show it, between stoppages and timeouts, players got decent rest…and subbing before the end/at the begging of quarters.
Still think Smart has been poor…but definitely seeing progress
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interesting the timeout/non-sub breaks.. does anyone chart that or just from what you’ve seen? not digging – actually curious…
I thought the “bench” just didn’t produce that well before a couple of games ago – probably am wrong – anyone got any figures? In my mind williams especially has only just got his form back in the last few games…
Are you thinking anyone specific or just bench in general?
by soda pop SMASH on Feb 17, 2011 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
honestly it's all from what I've seen
I’ve been Smarts biggest critic around these parts and have kept a very close eye on what he does. He might play one of our fringe bench players for a few minutes, they will have a good run, then never see any minutes for the next 5 games.
The last few games I have seen that he has learned to trust that the bench actually helps the team since it gives the players the rest they need to stay efficient.
And the sub for rest he has done has been very good, something the lakers do all the time for kobe to get him the maximum rest without keeping him out of the game too long in game minutes.
Smart gets my node of approval for the last few games, up until these games he’s been terrible.
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Yes
Pretty much agree with all of that. Let’s hope it’s not just a blip.
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 17, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Still would like to see Curry get more minutes even with his foul trouble and problems
I thought Smart played it right. The way the refs were calling the game, we all knew it was extremely possible Steph would pick up those last two fouls in under a minute. The subs were playing pretty well, and he knew we needed Steph to come in to close out the game
Plus, Steph was way off for some reason last night.
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Curry had three fouls and this is nothing.
We won but if Ellis missed a couple of jumpers(which he does regulary but people forget about them) we would have lost because without Curry our offense was stagnant as hell. How is 0/6 way off? Monta can go 0/10 and he would not be benched. I hate double standards and if I was Curry I would be pissed because it was so obvious that our offense stinks and Curry is the one piece missing.
c'mon man, Curry was awful tonight
At least offensively. I suppose he did relatively okay on D against D Will, but it’s hard for me to tell if that’s just because of his wrist injury. I was actually pretty disappointed that Curry wasn’t able to take advantage of the fact that Gordon Heyward was guarding him. Seems like Curry should just run circles around him! I’m a big Curry fan, but there’s no way he deserved more minutes this game.
The last few games, Lin looks like he belongs in the NBA
It looks like getting playing time in the D league did Lin some good. His defensive presence off the bench could bring some balance to the Curry-Monta back court in the second half of the season. Nice write up Jae, great way to head into the All Star break.
by WestCoastWarrior on Feb 16, 2011 10:54 PM PST reply actions
Lin makes a much more positive impact than Acie Law.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 16, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
I agree I have been liking Lin a lot better since he came back from the D-League
He is very active and effective on defense for a Rookie.
by brutusbrutus on Feb 16, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I agree and think we might have found our backup PG.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 5:25 AM PST up reply actions
On the road at least
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
+1
he fits perfectly too!
Solid defender who can play either guard slot
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Let's get Lin
In the gym shooting 10,000 jumpers a day. If he gets that down….
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 17, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, haha
then we can work on layups!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather he just start developing a completely different jumpshot form...its ugly right now.
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Things to take away from the game:
Monta Ellis is capable of carrying a team to a victory almost single-handedly to the likes of Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, etc. Not saying this is something he does often, but when Curry has an off-shooting night and is in foul trouble, David Lee (although fairly efficient) only scores 13 pts, you have to ask yourself how we won this game. Thank you, Monta Ellis.
After this game, the more broad picture looks very good. Our team defense is becoming more consistent. We have 3 strong offensive players (Ellis, Curry, Lee) capable of putting up big numbers on any night and a role player (Wright) feasting off those 3 to play well nearly every night. More importantly, the chances of Ellis, Curry, and Lee all having bad games is very rare. Assuming the defense is there, with at least one of Ellis/Curry/Lee playing well, I think we have a chance of beating most teams.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 16, 2011 11:02 PM PST reply actions
Lets hope the all-star break doesn’t slow down any momentum, and we pick up where we left off tonight against Boston on Tuesday.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 16, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When Monta hit those two buzzer beaters against the Pacers and…the Kings(?), I think it went to his head, along with the rush to make the all star game, and he started playing worse for several games. I hope he can stay grounded after tonight’s phenomenal performance.
by ohcleverhansyou on Feb 16, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe missing the All Star team
Will be the best thing for him and the team. If it spurs him on, makes him focus even more, so be it.
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 17, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Monta: Last Year v. This Year
If you compare Monta’s stats this season from last season, he’s averaging fewer shots per game, a slightly higher FG%, higher 3P%, higher FT%, a higher PER, and a higher TS%, to go along with fewer turnovers and a slightly higher assist percentage. But his rebounds are down so, you know, trade him and trade him immediately.
Was there ever any question that he has played vastly better this season than last? Even his harshest critics acknowledge that.
Overall, he’s been good this season — not quite as great as in 2007/08, but still good. And last night, he was an absolute stud. I think “carried the team” is an overused expression, but to the extent that one player can “carry the team,” Monta carried the team. I love how often he took it to the rim — with the Jazz’ defensively soft big man tandem, there was basically no stopping him. Good strategy on the part of Monta and/or Smart. I thought he also rotated the ball crisply and well — beyond the seven assists, I think he had more than a few “secondary assists” that resulted from his moving the ball early in the shotclock rather than dribbling around while his teammates watched.
I’m always on the fence about whether Monta at $11M is a good building block for this team, but today it’s hard not to think he is. Obviously, I’d still move him (or anyone else) in the right trade, but for now he’s way down the list — after the expiring contracts, after Biedrins … heck possibly even after David Lee.
If this team can keep playing like they have the last two nights, and get their heads above .500, I may be happy with standing pat and simply adding rather than replacing. All the core players are still very young, and all of them have had long stretches in their career in which they’ve been extremely productive.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2011 7:32 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
nicely said
rec’d
All the core players are still very young, and all of them have had long stretches in their career in which they’ve been extremely productive.
I take the Monta love today from some of his staunchest (and generally most well-informed) critics as validation that Monta is, in fact, playing some good ball these days
And I’m with you on the roster priorities at this point.
Beans may actually be the hardest position to find a significantly better replacement, but he is also one of the (if not the) weak links on this team.
Followed closely by Lee. I love his game, but that contract of his has worried me from the beginning. And Lee tries hard, but he needs to play much better consistantly on both ends of the court.
And I don’t know what’s up with his rebounding, but he has not been able to follow-up on his big rebounding promises since that one big game
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
DLee is worth his contract for now
As long as he doesn’t regress any I don’t mind his contract for the next two years. I think we’re paying for about the level of production we’re getting. However, when he starts getting to the 12 mil and then the 15 mil years, we’ll be overpaying him unless he improves.
yeah Lee
the contract is not wrecking my day or anything, but you should really consider the whole bundle (since that’s his contract, not just this year and next)
Right now, I’m with you, his contract seems fair for what we get.
But long term, he seems to be a not-so-great fit for the roster as currently constructed.
Offense, I really don’t have much to complain about:</em>
Pro: he does moderately stretch the floor, and is a good passer and shooter, solid rebounding too (which I expect to get better)
Cons: the guy does not seem to understand how to set a pick (but I kinda blame the ball handlers and the coach for this too), and his post up game is pretty ugly (he makes the easy looks at a good clip, but his ability to actually create through solid defense is pretty limited
Defense (here’s my problem with Lee long-term):
con: not a great man defender, not a shot blocker, not exceptionally quick or athletic (so limited ability to recover). Now, none of these are really deal-breakers on their own, but when taken in context with our currunt backcourt, our long-term plan has got to include a strong defender at the 4 (as well as the 5)…I’m no b-ball expert, this is just my opinion on this roster as it matures together
pro: I don’t think he’s actually horrible at D (just not good), and he is aggressive enough and rebounds well enough so that he’s not that much of a defensive liability
So yeah, that’s my two cents on David Lee long-term.
I’m going with optimism right now on him though. As long as he improves a little on both ends, I’m cool; but I do think (on paper anyways) he’s not an ideal PF for this team. It could actually work out in the end though, we’ll see
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this statement – if I ever call him overpaid, I’m talking about his contract as a whole, rather than breaking up the individual years. I think it’s much easier to justify the individual years for the first couple on his contract, but the ones at the end are going to be tough.
by Missing Barry on Feb 18, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Overall, he’s been good this season — not quite as great as in 2007/08, but still good.
I don’t understand this. Are you saying Monta’s game has regressed from his peak in 07-08? Or are you saying that Monta’s statistics indicate a drop in offensive efficiency from that time?
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Monta is playing the best ball of his career stats be damned. Don’t you believe that if 10-11 Monta got to play alongside 07-08 versions of Baron, Jax, and AB (theoretically comparing apples to apples), that his statistics would be even better than that of the 07-08 Monta??
For the truly knowledgeable fan (like yourself), there are just way too many variables (different teammates, coaches, systems, ownership etc) when trying to compare one player four years apart. I don’t believe you can look at Monta’s 07-08 stats, which probably appear more efficient than Monta’s 10-11 stats, and just make a blanket statement that 07-08 Monta > 10-11 Monta. Seems foolish and inaccurate to me.
by UncleCliffy on Feb 17, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t believe you can look at Monta’s 07-08 stats, which probably appear more efficient than Monta’s 10-11 stats, and just make a blanket statement that 07-08 Monta > 10-11 Monta. Seems foolish and inaccurate to me.
Haha. But it’s totally unfoolish and accurate for you, with no regard to the numbers, to make a blanket statement that 10-11 Monta > 07-08 Monta. Good to know, Bro.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 18, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Monta is playing the best ball of his career stats be damned. Don’t you believe that if 10-11 Monta got to play alongside 07-08 versions of Baron, Jax, and AB (theoretically comparing apples to apples), that his statistics would be even better than that of the 07-08 Monta??
Monta has clearly improved aspects of his game since then. For example, his three point shot is much better.
On the other hand, he’s rebounding much worse, and overall his shooting percentage – even accounting for the improved threes – is much worse.
(In another thread, I pointed out that Nash appears to have been adding about .030 to JRich’s TS%. Nash is a better PG than Baron was, and they seemed to have a particular synergy together, so I have a hard time believe that Baron would add more than that to Monta’s).
The biggest difference in the negative column is Monta’s decision-making and shot-selection, and it that area it’s hard to judge. Playing alongside Baron, Monta didn’t seem to have an ego. He understood his place on the team, and accepted his role.
Now, even though it’s obvious to all but the most vociferous fanboys that the team is much better when Monta plays off the ball, in a similar role. The question is, how much does Monta understand that?
That is to say, was Monta’s decision making better in 07-08 because his ego was smaller, or because nobody was putting him in a position to make bad decisions?
Personally, I suspect it’s a combination of the two. But to the extent that it’s the former, it’s hard to not hold his worse-decision-making today against him: yes, some of his skills have improved, but his decision-making has gotten worse.
The result was that Monta was a more effective player – when it comes to the things that win basketball games – in 07/08 than he is now. That how most of us like the use the word “better” – but not everyone. Some people focus instead on skills, and it’s true Monta has some new skills that he didn’t have back then.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Monta is playing the best ball of his career stats be damned
yeah damning the stats always helps your argument.
We would expect 2011 Montay to be better than 2007 Montay wouldn’t we otherwise we been wastin our time? 6 years of career experience makes most folks better at their jobs.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
But his rebounds are down so, you know, trade him and trade him immediately.
No one has made that argument. No one at all.
Sarcasm
doesn’t come off well on the internets.
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 17, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
The sarcasm came off perfectly clearly — it was the straw man that offended.
Or maybe he wasn’t being sarcastic? If not, well: I think it’s very silly to want to trade Monta simply because his rebound rate has dropped relative to last season by 0.6 boards per 36.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Sarcasm does not come across on the internet. Most sarcasm invokes statements that are seemingly too ridiculous and/or idiotic to be serious. But the proliferation of people who, in all seriousness, regularly say things equally ridiculous and idiotic dilutes the brand such that it is impossible to tell the difference. Sadly, the assumption of stupidity seems more often correct that the assumption of sarcasm.
hahahaaaa!
Sadly, the assumption of stupidity seems more often correct that the assumption of sarcasm.
so true, in so many circumstances
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
First game of year I saw none of (Work sucks)
But I did happen to catch a chunk of it on Radio. One stat caught my eye courtesy of Tim Roye. Reggie Williams 3pt’s first half- 27%, second half- 54% (best in nba)
How do you even begin to explain that?! Mr. Potato Head certainly has a flair for the dramatic!
As for Monta. Same old, same old. A unique player, an explosive one, and on his night he can will the Warriors to victory over anyone.
In other news, Kobe shot his much superior team out of a game for third straight night. Way to go Kobe! Always nice when your all star big man goes for 30 points on 8 less shots than your 17 point scorer. Atleast Mr. Ellis isn’t so selfish.
Explaining Reggie's second half of the game, best-in-the-NBA, 3pt stats....
Rotationally, Reggie usually gets some first minutes in the second quarter….he is coming off the bench cold….gets a few more in the third, usually, he starts to cook there….by fourth quarter, with the game on the line, he usually sizzles….one of those players that you can tie his production directly to the number of minutes and critical times of the game….most big-time-capable scorers/shooters are like that! Most 3pt shooters have to have the opportunity to shoot through an early miss(es)….for Reggie, that opportunity evolves in the second half of the game, thus, the 54%.
also, no one defends him
he seems to be open a lot.
buike used to be like that before he got more coverage.
If you really want to be rational, honestly, I could give you an answer in two words; Random variation.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Not a believer in clutchness eh?
Some players rise to the moment. Others don’t.
Mr. Potato Head is a big game player.
More that I’m a believer that random variation far and away trumps any sort of clutch ability or similar attribute (and I’ve seen lots of evidence to back this up). If Reggie has some ability to rise to the moment, how does that explain how bad he is in the first half? Dude has a career 40.4% 3pt%, and he shoots 27% in the first half, essentially putting him with the very worst shooters in the NBA who still attempt 3’s? I don’t buy it. Reggie can shoot. By the way, where can I find data on this?
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea where to find the Data
Tim Roye mentioned it on radio broadcast. Stuck with me.
and just maybe
he doesn’t play as much (and take nearly as many shots) in the 2nd half unless he’s shooting well (and gets more PT in the 3rd and 4th)…?
No idea what the stats are though
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well, in terms of “maybe’s”, there could be tons of potential explanations. The best explanation is still random variation, though, I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest anything else is more likely than it. :)
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
yeah and SSS
we are talking about one half of one season, so I’m not really drawing conclusions
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
there could be tons of potential explanations
In other terms I like to explain it as: Sometimes Mr Potato Head wears his balls to the arena and sometimes he doesn’t.
by KillaContract on Feb 18, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
You are Missing the point, Barry...
statistically I explained Reggie’s stats earlier (above)….Reggie is a big-time scorer and shooter; whether he ever gets the minutes to do it on this team is another story…leading this team in TS% (currently at .601) is no fluke….putting up 18 points in a quarter is no fluke (especially the 4th!….., leading the D-League in scoring through 30-something games is no fluke…..leading the NCAA in scoring, two years in a row is no fluke….it is not random….if he ever gets starter minutes anywhere you will see more of the same….now, this team is loaded with scorers….so, somebody will always be free if they learn to rotate the ball, move it inside-out ….when they realize that somebody has to sacrifice some scoring and hit the boards (Lee made a very mature statement last week after he got a whole bunch of boards), and with more experience on defense (individually and as a team), we will rally have a team to be reckoned with, and be glad we hung on to all these great players….there is a learning curve….don’t look for it to happen til next season……after that, playoffs every year and a contender…I think if we finish close to .500 this year, it will have been a great year!
……after that, playoffs every year and a contender…
we’re gonna need some size and rebounding for that to happen. A guy like WTF can only get you so far then he hits the reality wall..
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie can score, no doubt. He’s got some talent. There’s just no way I’m going to buy that the difference between his first half and second half stats is real – it’s just sample error, and what he does on the whole is our best way of telling how good he is.
by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
Spellling it out, again, on Reggies 3pt stats, 1st VS 2d half, as I said earlier, above....
Explaining Reggie’s second half of the game, best-in-the-NBA, 3pt stats…. Rotationally, Reggie usually gets some first minutes in the second quarter….he is coming off the bench cold….gets a few more in the third, usually, he starts to cook there….by fourth quarter, with the game on the line, he usually sizzles….one of those players that you can tie his production directly to the number of minutes and critical times of the game….most big-time-capable scorers/shooters are like that! Most 3pt shooters have to have the opportunity to shoot through an early miss(es)….for Reggie, that opportunity evolves in the second half of the game, thus, the 54%
……what this means is that if he plays 3-4 minutes in the second quarter, and somehow manages to take 3-4 shots and makes only one, he usually shoots lights out in the second half to get up to 54% (when he is warmed up, in the game flow, and with more minutes gets more shots).
Gasol was good
Bynum was terrible.
by Anonymous1337 on Feb 16, 2011 11:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He has an "injury" every time he shoots too much
His only disease is being an egomaniac rapist.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Feb 16, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
yes, having a bad shooting night tonight
is definitely the reason he had flu symptoms in the previous game that made him miss the shootaround
Coach has to meet us halfway
Quick comparison to 2006-2007
55th Game:
2006-2007 – 26-29
2010-2011 – 26-29
WE BELIEVE DUEX??
Note: they lost the next five games after the 55th game in 2007, knock on wood!
by krazybalr on Feb 16, 2011 11:22 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
1 good trade
Just one and we could be back
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Meant to also add lucky trade
Like this one: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=46oj2yx
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
never in a million years lol
we gotta remember that the murphy – dunleavy/ harrington – stak jack trade wasn’t a steal. i mean we benefited so much more from it in the end, but at the time, we were giving up some young talent with only upsides in potential. it just played out better for us in the end
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 16, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was considered a risk at the time for GSW because of Jackson's "volatile personaility"
The thong is, it happened.
I thought it felt like a steal
still do.
Murphy and Dunleavy were both pretty bad (even when they played at their best)
Indy gave us a nice gift, because they felt like they needed to get rid of those guys
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
And then do this one for the mega free agent year ( 15 mil in expirings in 2 years )
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4mqugac\
Current team
PG – Steph, Lin, Law
SG – Monta, JR
SF – DW, Reggie
PF – Lee, Tawn
C – Nene , Udoh
Why do the other teams do? Cause we asked nicely thats why.
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Okay I'm having trade machine fever right now
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=48hqhuz
Diop is cap space for the 2012 year, Nene and JR are for the now and we say goodbye to Andris , BW, Vlad and Louis. Denver does it for money and Charlotte does it to get a center since MJ seems determined to not blow it up right now they need bigs to get in the playoffs .
Then Gadz and Bell for Tawn. We’d have 20+ mil in expirings to offer to a superstar in 2012 and we’d be a good team. Late night trade machine fun is the best
:D
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
omg...
I’d cream my pants
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Feb 17, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
or...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4d7726h
PG: Steph – Baron
SG: Ellis – Reggie
SF: DWright – Gomes
PF: Lee – Udoh/Amundson
C: Jordan – Udoh/Amundson
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
thanks for the summary ; )
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
FREEDOM!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I would take that in a heartbeat. I don’t think the Clippers would be that generous, giving us D.Jordan for relative scraps… although B.Wright might turn out to be a good prize. Still, D.Jordan would be way better to have.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
the key here is them losing Barons terrible contract
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Perhaps they would consider it, if it weren’t for the fact that we’re in their division. I doubt they want to get burned time and against by D.Jordan, whom they traded to save 3 years worth on B.Davis’s contract. I don’t think Blake Griffin would be too happy with them at that point either.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
here's an idea
why not nickname him Thunder? i miss our Thunder, and monta, across the league is recognized as the face of the Warriors right now. he also pulls moves that Thunder would be proud of
and being nicknamed Thunder? that’s just plain dirty.
thatd be
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
It'd get confusing.
Are there other players who share a nickname with a team?
by ohcleverhansyou on Feb 16, 2011 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
i actually really dig this if it wasnt for stupid okc
also isnt it mississippi missile? thats way better than bullet at least
well i mean thunder was originally ours
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 16, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
yea i know
hes more of a lightning guy then a thunder to me
but lightning is only a cool nickname for 7 year old rec league soccer teams
yeah, I always thought he was the mississippi missle…and then recently I started hearing bullet
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think Monta is more "lightning"
He strikes quickly, so fast you miss him if you blink and his play can be electrifying
The thong is, it happened.
since we are trading beans before the trade deadline or after..
i think monta deserves a name related to the WE BELIEVE team as the last one stading, since he will be the only player from that roster..
Monta's Nickname Suggestion
Monta “Magic Man” Ellis…..Now you see me….Now you don’t
Besides being completely unoriginal, it kind of works.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 16, 2011 11:53 PM PST reply actions
Or "Shake and Bake"
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 16, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
oh wow i like that way too much
It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(
by j-spliff415 on Feb 17, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Nice I like that
I had to look that up.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 17, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
i like baby faced assassin for steph… but it’s a bit long to catch on really
by soda pop SMASH on Feb 17, 2011 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
and it’s not unique enough
our guys deserve special nicknames
(just thinking of poor Kevin Martin…forced to take sloppy seconds from Kenyon)
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I call him, “The Courier,” which is like The Mailman except quicker. He does deliver… also, his name is Curry…
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
I like it
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
speaking of nicknames
how about:
Reggie “the toaster oven” Williams
(it’s like “the microwave” but different)
what do you think?
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Toaster Oven >>>>> Microwave
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Feb 18, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
monta had one hell of a game, he got lots of love from sportscenter lol
he and lamarcus aldridge should be all stars, Steve Nash should b an all star just because he is 37 and still plays great, funny thing with Nash is he is putting up better numbers this year then the 2 years he won MVP
by GSdubsfan41 on Feb 17, 2011 12:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Ha, so basically the All-Star team should have like 16 roster spots?
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 5:27 AM PST up reply actions
maybe more
one guy from each team, plus the actual all-stars
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
lmfao!!
good one!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
how bout we just name curry and monta
the mc backcourt…
everyone calls monta ellis by his first name while everyone calls stephen Curry by his last name…
plus there are videos on youtube of both of them called the backcourt
I hope this never catches on...
but I call ME8 “smish-smosh” from time to time, not quite sure why…
but I’m not worried the bullet is fine for now
I call him, “Monta Python…” Kind of like The Black Mamba but funnier. He puts the squeeze on defenses… right? Okay, I don’t actually call him that. I just wanted to get in on the Monta nickname action.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
by Naticus on Feb 18, 2011 4:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FTFW!!!!!
Monta Python
Also plays well with the people who misspell and/or mispronounce his name!
nice!
FTW!
I have started the process of making this green
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
The problem is, everyone would laugh every time they heard that nickname. It’s not only a dumb pun, it’s going to make people think of Monte Python.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Another solid win for the Dubs. I’m liking this new look team, sad that the All-Star break has to get in the way of what we’ve been doing. Hopefully we come back rested and ready to get right back to it.
By the way, is it just me, or is Brandan Wright good every time he gets a chance to play? Maybe we should be giving him more chances….?
Maybe we should be giving him more chances….?
How many chances can he realistically get though? DLee and Udoh have that PF spot locked down. Vlad’s minute’s at PF have been very low recently, save for the game a couple days ago when he put on his Space Cadet cape on for the 2nd Qtr.
We’re left mostly with playing BWright out of position at the 3 or 5.
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Then again
I guess the argument is, with Amundson out, why hasn’t BWright’s minute spiked anyways?
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
We’re left mostly with playing BWright out of position at the 3 or 5.
I’ve enjoyed seeing the Udoh-wright combo. coming off the bench with Wright (I assume)a at 4, and Udoh at 5.
It seems like there is a natural competition between the two for minutes (or even a job), and I think that is only going to be in BWright’s favor (if he can continue to get minutes).
by WestCoastWarrior on Feb 17, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
they do complement eachother
bwright has offense/rebounding, udoh blocking/defense
Well, first, Biedrins is only playing 25 minutes a game, so that’s 20+ mpg right there. Then you have David Lee’s time on the bench. And I"m not necessarily sure we should just assume Udoh is a better option than Wright, anyways. There are minutes for him every game.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
There are minutes for him every game.
I don’t disagree there, but I just feel that BWright is just sort of lost in the mix of all our tweener bigmen. With Amundson out, you’d think BW get more looks, but instead we see Smart just go small instead.
That and I just don’t buy BWright being a monster low-post threat quite just yet. Our best option perhaps, but not enough to change us from a perimeter team to an inside-outside type team. I do think though, that despite his body language, his activity has been pretty good.
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I guess what I was trying to say was
Should we really expect BWright to get more than the 10 or so minutes he’s been getting? Obviously, I’d prefer to see him get consistent 10 minutes instead of 25 minutes one game and 3 the next or whatever though.
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s a monster low post threat, either, just a decent low post player. We’re definitely not gonna run an offense through him or anything, he’s just an option to go to from time to time, when he doesn’t have a bad matchup. 10-15 minutes per game sounds reasonable to me, my biggest gripe is that he should get that every game. Over the last month, he’s only played double digit minutes 3 times, you know? And he’s only even gotten in to 21 games total. And even recently, he didn’t get in at all against the Thunder (worth noting – they don’t have any post threats or big banger types), he’s only played in 5 of 8 games in February, and he only got token minutes in 3 of those 5. He’s younger than Udoh, he has potential, he even looks good when he plays…he should be playing consistently, even if it’s not a chance, and be given the chance to prove himself. If he continues to succeed when he plays those minutes, then he earns more.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
My feeling is, we could run our offense through him for stretches, given some reps and a little more confidence on B.Wright’s part. I think he’s that good. Not all the time, but he is very good and could handle being the focal point of the offense for 15 min.’s a game.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Every time we’re in a scoring rut, I’m like, “Put B.Wright in, damn it!!!” That dude really does need more playing time.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Saw last night’s game and Tuesdays game back to back and the one constant I saw was Udoh. I think he is really coming around and finding his niche as a defensive presence.
But I did hate when Fitz and St Jean always referred to him as the guy in there to get rebounds. Almost like it’s just an assumption because of his size.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
Udoh/Beans
is there any way we can biologically combine Udoh and Biedrins together to create one center? I wonder if we would still need to cover both contracts?
Let’s throw Brandan in there, too. Would love for that combination to have some legitimate post offense.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
if you guys figure this out
then let’s go ahead and hybridize Steph and Monta together with Lin’s defense too
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe their kids will marry and produce NBA bigs. Too bad you can’t get the bird rights on your players’ children, eh?
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
'A.I.2' for a nickname?
His game is very reminiscent of Allen Iverson
How?
Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Completely disagree. I’ve always thought that was a poor comparison. What about them is alike, other than they both play SG and score points?
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Short + Tatoos
on that note:
David Lee=Tom Guggliota
I’ve long held a deep hatred of Tom Guggliota. He was my original Mike Dunleavy. Probably the first athlete of my life that disappointed me on that kind of level.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
haha
I’m with you. It amazes me how Warriors turned Webber into a worse player in every trade
Webber to Googs
Googs to Donyell Marshall
Marshall into Danny fortson and Adam Keefe
Wow. Just Wow
I actually liked Marshall and much prefer him to Gugliotta.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Donyell was one of those rare players who seemed to be heavily receptive to the right kind of coaching. He was a reasonable rebounder as a 4, and a great rebounder as a 3. That’s always useful. But without any real clue on offense, he just failed time and time again here. He was always a very low efficiency shooter in GS, trying to shoot from anywhere on the court, and rarely connecting. As a ‘tweener’ he seemed lost on offense and his reaction was just to shoot when the ball came his way.
With Stockton setting him up and Sloan curbing his shot attempts, he became a reasonably high efficiency option. He got the ball in positions where he could make shots and was also more likely to draw a foul when he took a shot. When he left Utah and once again had a longer leash, much of his old habits returned, with the lone saving grace that by that time, his 3 point shot had become a reasonably effective weapon to fall back on.
Gugliotta was just terrible in general. That his BB-Ref picture has him in a Warriors jersey sickens me.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Stereotypes are fun!
In other news, the Lakers lost cause Gasol is soft. Kobe is the only one with killer instinct.
Jermey Lin = Yao Ming
zomg
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Guggliota
My brother still insists on rocking the Guggs jersey to games.
it’s just embarrassing!
"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
like I said before. Embarrassing
I think he kinda sees it as an inside joke (like who has the most obscure jersey), only no one gets the joke
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Smart factor
Several comments about Smart “trusting” his bench, having better rotations etc. belie the fact that his offense is more structured to getting his best players good looks in the half court than Nelson’s simple isolations did last year, and that our starters this year are better than last. Simply put, we don’t have as talented a bench as Nelson had to work with, though they’ve shown flashes and Udoh is making strides.
Monta and Co. are benefitting from that added structure and it seems to be paying dividends in a variety of ways – from offensive efficiency to getting opponents in foul trouble – the impact makes a difference in close contests.
It is nice to see praise of Monta here, and the motivation of the All Star slight seems logical. Most refreshing was his reaction to being left off the AS team, when he eschewed the opportunity to go on a scoring binge in order to play unselfishly, winning the next game. The true test, for some of us, will be Monta’s reaction down the stretch if GSW fades from the playoff race as expected. Will he revert to the last year’s version, or elevate and maintain the higher efficiency, team-oriented player that we’ve seen evolve this season.
"It’s frickin’ Sisyphean to be a Warriors Fan."
Well, depends on how you define “starters” and “bench”. The reality for last year is given our horrible injury situation, our bench essentially were our starters, and our “bench” to replace those guys were d-league scrubs….
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
Glad someone else said it too.
I knew there would be people who simply forgot or downplayed just how amazingly injured the last two years of Nelson’s tenure were.
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 17, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Demarcus Nelson anyone?
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 17, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
you two disparage the wrong poster, I never said anything to the contrary, actually you summed up one of my previous postings, which was not well received I might add
sorry, not nonsense at all, and no, we did not have plenty of unused talentby hardcore on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 PM PDT on Monta Ellis on Golden State Of Mind
"It’s frickin’ Sisyphean to be a Warriors Fan."
If they play like this every game from here on out
I will be happy, playoffs or not (but preferably playoffs!). :)
+1
couldn’t have said it better!!!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 17, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
M8E
Whatever happened to the nickname M8E like the fire cracker M80? I think it’s perfect for his explosiveness.
by MAZarate21 on Feb 17, 2011 3:00 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I like this.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I hope that “trade Monta” talking is going to stop now.
by AmaruEternal1989 on Feb 18, 2011 1:36 AM PST reply actions
Well, many of us want to trade him eventually. There are rational reasons to want to do so, seeing as Curry is the superior PG and playing them together doesn’t make a lot of sense. Of course, if he keeps playing like he did against the Jazz, he will get harder and harder to give up. He can really pour it on, when he puts his mind to it.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
I love him
But I would still trade him in a heartbeat for the right players.
oj mayo + marc gasol?
nene?
deandre jordan?
iggy+?
Batum+oden?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
OJ sucks and Gasol is a bad fit here and overrated
Nene couldn’t take this team farther then Monta is
Jordan is experimental with upside but is really raw and likely will be another Tysob Chandler type guy
Iggy, beaten to death on here. Lateral moves
What does Batum give us DW doesn’t? And Oden is way too injury prone
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Nice write up JAE..
Monta is changing right in front of our eyes…he’s maturing fast.
by davidleeisabeast on Feb 18, 2011 9:12 AM PST reply actions
Monta Ellis has been sorely lacking an acceptable nickname.
what you talkin bout willis? He’s been Moped for years.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions
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