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ever since acie law has been out of the rotation (and lou amundson for that matter), the team has been playing pretty good ball.  after the huge losses to phoenix, i thought that we needed a trade.  i was thinking maybe andris biedrins and reggie williams for javale mcgee and kirk hinrich.  this would be a good deal for us because we get an upgrade on the offensive and defensive side of the ball and free throw shooting at the center position, and we get a solid back up guard.  we could also get reggie back in the off season since he is an expiring.

BUT

the last few games charlie bell and jeremy lin have been able to get some playing time and fulfilled their role as role players.  andris biedrins has also gotten a lot of key rebounds, the only thing that he is good for.  the team has been able to overcome adversity and beat playoff teams and even took a game on the road.  we are now riding a lot of momentum into the all star break.  hopefully the team keeps up the confidence and can knock off the celtics and hawks at home next week, setting up a possible chance to get back to .500 at the miserable timberwolves.  we are only 3 losses out of the eighth spot and only 5 losses out of the fifth spot.  the west isn't as strong as it has been in year's past, although it is stronger than the east overall.  with carmelo and nene possibly being shipped out, jerry sloan resigning, rudy gay injuring his shoulder, houston reeling, and new orleans and portland dealing with multiple injuries, there is a realistic chance for us to move up in the rankings especially if we beat the celtics and hawks because that will put our winning streak at five (over all play off teams, not to mention) and the timberwolves, pacers and wizards follow, so the win streak could easily reach eight and put us right in the thick of things.  also, when lou amundson and acie law become healthy, i think they should stay out of the rotation if things continue going the way they are right now because if it ain't broke, don't fix it.  what do y'all think?

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I think Keith Smart was a complete idiot for his use of Law.

He played him extensively over Reggie (and Lin obviously) and cut Curry’s minutes. As we have all seen, the increased minutes for Curry and Reggie have been a major reason for our success, so Keith should keep him out the rotation.

And i’d stay with what we have unless we can get a dynamite 2 like Iggy or 5 like Gasol or Jordan.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

Just loved Curry's game with the Thunder.

He came out aggressive, took control and showed what he can be as a future dominate point guard…..and Monta responded with a complimentary game. This basically reinforces the point that Monta is flexible to change his role when Curry brings the aggression and energy that we need at the PG position.

This is an example of the fact that Monta is not dominating or restricting Curry’s potential…only Curry can do that. Monta’s problem is that he feels the need to take over and thus over compensates when Curry gets silly fouls straight off the bat and has to leave the game or when Curry comes in with low energy and does not take control which has been the norm most of this season.

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 17, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I tend to agree...

… I think Monta’s best games in generel have been when Curry has been sharp and aggressive. When Curry has low energy or gets into foul trouble, Monta almost has no choice but to carry the load…for better or worse. Reggie, DLee, DWright can all put up points, but only Monta and Curry have the ability to truly take over a game… Curry just needs to be aggressive and find a way to get UP for every game.

by warriorsablaze on Feb 17, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure..

That Monta has no choice as this team has other scorers who could use the ball in their hands but it seems that Monta “feels” that he has no choice even when its obvious that the low% is coming on. He does have options.

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 21, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Iggy isn't necessary imo.

He’s owed too much money for us to get him without giving up an integral piece.

I’d rather draft a wing in the draft that has excellent effort and fundamentals on defense. A guy like Chris Singleton (although recently hurt) who’s calling card could be defense.

Much cheaper option and allows us to focus on our biggest weakness: Center.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

But is he worth the flexibility to make move(s) to get an excellent center?

I wouldn’t do it right now.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Feb 18, 2011 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

how do we get rid of Lee?

call out the teeth?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

we don't
how do we get rid of Lee?

He’s not going anywhere for at least a few years. I think we only have two options to get rid of Lee (well three if you count just staying the course).
He’ll either get bundled off as part of a bigger deal (like Steph plus Lee) or it’ll be towards the end of his contract when he is dealt as a hefty expiring contract.

He’s good, but too deficient in too many important areas and he’s on his way to being overpaid (unless he gets a lot better in the next couple of years)

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Who is this excellent center of whom you speak?

by jae on Feb 18, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

MarcNeNe Perkins-McGee

never heard of him?

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I prefer getting

Dwarc NeGeekins personally

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 21, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like a bust

That third guitar note you played just now was perfect, dogg. Maybe play it again a little later alright.

by Reverend_Randy on Feb 21, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You beat me to that obvious question.
Who is this excellent center of whom you speak?

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 21, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Reggie and Dorell

Dorell has been killing it all year long and Reggie has been lights out this month. But the 4th quarter last night exposed the just how deadly they can be together. Gary St. jean pointed out how hard it is double Monta when he is in the middle of the court. Once Monta penetrated the Jazz defenders they were forced to help and either Dorell or Reggie was open for the trey ball every time.

I think that this could be a very formidable offensive 1-2-3. when curry is bogging or in foul trouble. Both Dorell and Reggie are great spot up shooters and both can penetrate, finish, and dish. If Reggie can figure out how to use 7’1 wingspan to pressure the opposing two guard could be a good defensive 1-2-3 as well.

by be drier on Feb 17, 2011 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

get the team to .500

ten western teams have records above .500, establishing that they can prevail with reasonable to proficient consistency. Looking at just ‘x games out of the eighth spot’ obscures the essential matter that the lacobites are barely approaching that. Suppose they’re at .500, in the #11 spot — things only get tougher from there. The team has had a mini-surge as it has found a groove with the home games and several opponents hit mid-season blahs. Expect no major roster improvements, and a big speed bump between tenth and eighth places.

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by the.monk on Feb 17, 2011 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

For what it’s worth, after 55 games, the “we believe” playoff squad had 26-29 record as well.

by jae on Feb 17, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

the Dubs definitely need more than a 42-40 record to make the playoffs. They’ve been on the right track recently, beating a lot of good teams.

by DubsFan408 on Feb 17, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

yea we do

the west teams will be strong – i wouldnt be surprised if theres an 07-08 scenario again, remember when we won 48 and still didnt make it? i doubt a 48 team winner wont make it this year, but there might be a higher win total team in the west that’s left out

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 17, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

genius...

;)

'In Lacob We Trust'......

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 18, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I say win 43...

Take our first round pick and go to the playoffs next year(ducking the stones as I type)

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 21, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at just ‘x games out of the eighth spot’ obscures the essential matter that the lacobites are barely approaching that

and that they are doing it the hard way with little size, too much effort, and lots of luck. Whatever success they are enjoying is just prolonging the recognition that we need a better balanced more sustainable team composition .

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

roster balance = more D?

Seems like they have the general idea down, we just need better talent, specifically on the defensive end

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

we just need better talent, specifically on the defensive end

and on the more size and better rebounding ends too.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

We are right where the We Believe team was

1 good trade and we can be back at it again

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Feb 17, 2011 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

I just hope if we do make the playoffs we don't stand pat.

I mean that would be a mistake. The goals a championship not 8 seed, but i’d definitely be ok with 8 seed this year as a stepping stone, you know.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

And this is why i personally do like Mullin decently (besides the Marcus Williams trade).

He knew this team wasn’t good enough to much without addressing some needs. The J-Rich for Brandan Wright deal was good thinking, and allowed us to resign Biedrins and Monta. I just hope we aren’t adverse to that type of deal again.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

bingo was his name o

although I do regret losing j-rich, I have to agree with you on this one. if j-rich had stayed, monta or beans would have surely been gone.

if it does happen again, it’s easy to say that it’ll be with beans contract. obviously we are not getting the 8th pick in the draft in return, but if beans is traded, I’d like to see it going toward locking up steph in a nicely sized contract when the time comes around

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 17, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

possibly

but i dont see lee leaving the bay in after the first year of a monster contract

It's lonely being the only Warriors fan at UMass :(

by j-spliff415 on Feb 17, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Me either.

But it could happen.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I just hope we aren’t adverse to that type of deal again.

you mean destroy the team for 4 years after finally making the playoffs? Which key player do you propose we dump for a useless rookie this time?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude definitely.

Because our 2 most important players during We Believe were Baron and Biedrins (our only big). Then the combo of Jack, Barnes, Pietrus, and Harrington who could all switch defensively and shoot 3’s. Then i’d say J-Rich and Monta. So we effectively traded a piece where we had a good backup (Monta) for an area of extreme need (big)….call me crazy but that’s not a bad trade.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

definitely a bad trade.

yep, you don’t trade a key player from a team who just made the playoffs for the first time after only playing about 1/3 of a season together to sign a skinny rookie who doesn’t provide the interior size deficit that knocked you out of the second round. You keep the experienced players and add what you really needed.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Wright provided more size than anyone on the team besides Biedrins.

I’d even venture to say if we had Brandan Wright as a rookie or sophomore against the Jazz instead of J-Rich we wouldn’t have been blown out by the Jazz (considering they won the boards by 20-30 every game). So Brandan provided post offense, rebounding, and shot blocking…umm weren’t those all the major weaknesses of the 06-07 Warriors? Unless you thought a team with literally only 1 big (Harrington was only a big by trade) could make noise in the playoffs that trade made a lot of sense.

Steph Curry and Reggie Williams all day baby!

by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 17, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

he was a rookie!

It’’s not like we didn’t have a draft pick (right?)
the cost to obtain BWright (who was clearly not NBA-ready) was waaay too high!

This is one of my least favorite moves of the crappy Cohan years, I just can’t beleive you are actually defending this!!

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

what?!?
The J-Rich for Brandan Wright deal was good thinking

Gov, you are crazy!!
that was NOT good thinking. I think we still could have signed guys, and kept JRich if the franchise was willing to go into the luxury tax.

At that point, we would have kept the team intact, with 2nd round playoff experience and more time together…and you would have rather gone through the recent hell years??

crazy dude

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

It made total sense at the time.

The team had Monta, SJax, JRich, Harrington, Pietrus and Barnes, all of whom’s natural position was either the 2 or the 3.

And we’d just lost a playoff series because we were blown away down low, as we had only one decent post player (BIedrins).

Of those players, JRich was the most expensive. He was also the one with the most-duplicated skill set in the bunch. Add in that you’re not going to get a top-10 pick for Pietrus, Barnes, or Monta (and probably not for Harrington) and it’s a trade that makes tons of sense.

I think you make that trade, in those circumstances, every single time. Just sometimes you make smart trades that don’t work out for unforeseeable reasons.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 18, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you make that trade, in those circumstances, every single time.

NO!
Look, I don’t mind the move of trading JRich (well, ok, I mind, but not as much as I mind what we got back for him).

BWright was not NBA-ready. He was (and still is, to a degree) not going to be a solution to the Dubs getting owned on the block.

And we’d just lost a playoff series because we were blown away down low, as we had only one decent post player (BIedrins).

You think dumping JRich was ok, and that we needed another big…fine. But do you honestly beleive letting him go for a #6 pick (and it looks like BWright was our target all along) was a decision you make “every single time”?
There is no way BWright turns the tide against the Jazz team that beat us.

What about exploring a trade for an established big that could contribute immedeatly?
With all that redundant talent, you think we could have found a willing trade partner with someone we wanted more than a skinny (but promising-looking) rookie?

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 18, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Suppose that skinny but promising looking rookie had been Joakim Noah?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 18, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Suppose that skinny but promising looking rookie had been Joakim Noah?

well yeah if we woulda traded Montay for Noah then it woulda been fine :>)

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

fair point

but those guys play different styles.
Noah is not a finesse guy (he prefers Head& Shoulders I bet)…

but nah, really, I would have been more comfortable with the move if we did get a down-low presence, hustle player. We have been weak in the post for a long, long time. BWright for better or worse is not the solution – he never looked like a banger, nor was he known for his toughness.

"There’s no such thing as off the charts, just get a bigger piece of paper. If you can’t figure that out you shouldn’t be charting anything" - Skep

by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 21, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What about exploring a trade for an established big that could contribute immedeatly?
With all that redundant talent, you think we could have found a willing trade partner with someone we wanted more than a skinny (but promising-looking) rookie?

Well, that’s an interesting question. For all the clamoring people do these days for want of a low post game, I feel like there’s more than a bit of ex-post-facto rationalization going on here, but …

I don’t think it’s at all clear that Wright wasn’t ready to contribute right away. His TS%, that year, was .580. His rebounding rate was the best its been in his entire career. He didn’t appear to have the rookie fouling problem that a lot of young bigs have.

I’m not sure it’s fair to say he wasn’t ready to contribute that season. Now, Nelson didn’t give him a chance, true, but one has to wonder how much of that was Wright and how much was Nelson. (Wright, it must be said, was not a Nellie-skillset kind of big, and it seems unlikely that he would have been comfortable running Wright and Biedrins out there at the same time in the best of circumstances).

Furthermore, trading small-for-big you’ve got to give something up. You’re not going to trade an established two-guard good enough to be a starter on a marginal playoff team for an established big man good enough to be a starter on a marginal playoff team.

Also, you’ve got to look one move deeper. You look at that team and ask yourself, “Is this built for the long hall? Are we a championship contender as currently constructed?” I think it’s clear the answer to that was no. Therefore, I think it’s a perfectly reasonable to trade old-for-young, particularly if you’re getting a player who might turn out to be a difference-maker. (Again – no ex post facto logic here. Wright was seen as having the second-best low post game in college, after the #1 pick.) In addition to having the potential to help us right away, this was a trade geared towards getting us deeper into the playoffs and building our young core for the future, which, when you’re talking about a marginal playoff team, is a perfectly reasonable choice.

Lastly, it really doesn’t seem like the team missed JRich at all on the floor that year. I think it’s telling that we got very little from Wright and still improved (although, of course, we hadn’t had our core the whole year the previous season, so it’s hard to say how much better we actually were despite the gains in the win column). But do you remember watching the team and feeling like JRich was a missing piece, the absence of which was holding us back? Remember, the year before JRich’s TS% had been .512, which is pretty awful. He looked a lot like a player who was on a pretty serious downslope. His late career resurgence playing with Nash makes it easy to forget that, at the time, there were a lot of people thinking he might be getting close to being done.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 18, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

But do you remember watching the team and feeling like JRich was a missing piece, the absence of which was holding us back?

Yes,and I also remember Nellie remarking on it as why we didn’t make the playoffs.
  Jason was only 2 years older than FridayUdon is right now and was just getting into his prime. He’d helped this team get into the playoffs and was a favorite of the other players and the hardest working player on the squad. Dumping him set a tone for the other players to question the dedication of management to winning, eventually causing us to lose Boom and Jax and set us back at least 4 years in our playoff return.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes,and I also remember Nellie remarking on it as why we didn’t make the playoffs.

Nellie has said many things, many of them are not true, even about his own players. He’s guilty of quite a bit of revisionist history as well.

by jae on Feb 19, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Love the common sense Gov...

That there are stepping stones to achieve before future championship run. ha

Some seem to expect it by next season. ha

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 21, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

So Brandan provided post offense, rebounding, and shot blocking…umm weren’t those all the major weaknesses of the 06-07 Warriors?

haha, in your dreams. Wright weighed about 140 pounds and had the staying power of a condor. and he was a rookie so we knew he would be pretty much useless for the next year.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2011 10:47 PM PST reply actions  

he still provided all of those things, whether you want to accept that or not.

you obviously don’t recognize the quality or the quantity we needed of those things. A skinny rookie is not gonna provide enough of them even if he don’t get his wing tweaked and provided exactly none when he did. and that’s the facts.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

A few more pieces

I agree the warriors are playing well, but each game still looks like a struggle to win especially closing the game out. I would like to see another big man, one with more of a offensive post game, a back up pt (as well as lin and bell are playing I would still want some one a little more proven) and something off the bench, a spark, some one who can give us some instant offense because curry and monta can sometimes have those single digit nights

by DRU2DUBS on Feb 18, 2011 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

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